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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:09:00 -
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I wonder if I get it this right:
Pros: - The obvious reason is to fire up CCPŠs own RMT system as less income ingame means to compensate it via legal (=CCPs) RMT
Contras: - Huge nullsec areas are wasteland (not at all suitable for small alliances to set ground on nullsec) - Concentrated areas of non wasteland systems that are constantly farmed by pew pews. - Overall less pew pew as renters will have to bo back to high and so less peeps in nullsec - Overall less pew pew as PLAYERS canŠt afford loosing ships coz this "great idea" hits hard on PLAYERS not ALLIANCES - More frequented highsec warfare coz ppl want to shoot stuff and carebear tears are so sweet and canŠt be found in null anymore - More frequented highsec warfare coz home is where you can make isk - Crying carebears and probably a mass extinction of highsec corps as their members will run missions in a NPC corp - Less mining coz hulkbear tears are even more sweet - More expensive ships as less raw materials
Result: Pro wins as CCP wants it and doesnŠt care for anything else.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Skaarl the april fools jokes are mounts in stations, its about halfway down the list of stickies. this is for real.
Even CCP canŠt be stupid enough to seriously suggest this, It has to be a ******ed joke!
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi its real its in the patch notes and makes perfect sense .. if you look at all the posts here
yep all the posts clearly indicate that this stupid idea is a joke High time for CCP to make a happy face and point fingers on us while laughing (Better then us pointing our fists towards the genious that had this idea)
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:39:00 -
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I stick to it: It has to be a joke There werenŠt enough Darwin Awards for all these guys if this was real.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 22:45:00 -
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DonŠt worry guys it is a joke. Maybe the joke got limited fun potential but still it is a joke. THAT canŠt be the real deal.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi because CCP has brought me a game that provides me with endless entertainment <<<<< i agree with this and now that sanctums are tied to sec status your whole entertainment is gone ??
Hmm ok letŠs think about it: For the vast majority of PLAYERS isk can no longer be generated where they are supposed to live (in nullsec -thatŠs the place you have obviously never been-) So they will move back to highsec leaving billions of iskies they spent on upgrading. NOT FUNNY FOR RENTERS!
Huge white places on the map with nobody in there. Empty places! NOT FUNNY FOR PEW PEWS.
Hotspots of carebearing for big alliances means hotspots for cloakies waiting to strike over and over again. NOT FUNNY FOR PEW PEWS AND NOT FUNNY FOR ALLIANCES
Hotspots with pew pew going on means LAG. LAG IS NOT FUNNY FOR ANYONE
Renters with their pew pews returning to high coz they got screwed by CCP will lead to a mass extinction of highsec carebear corps (ransom or your highsec corp is dead) NOT FUNNY FOR HIGHSEC CORPS
New players canŠt join highsec corps coz there will be a tremendous increase of wardeccs just for ransoming them. NOT FUNNY FOR NEW PLAYERS
New alliances canŠt start gaining 0.0 experience by renting. NOT FUNNY FOR AMBITIOUS NEW ALLIANCES AND NOT FUNNY FOR PEW PEWS.
So I stick to it: This has to be a joke coz this much stupidity in one single "idea" is even for CCP way over the edge.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.01 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: mkmin However, considering that they have put it in the Feature page, censored it on the facebook page, and have yet to reply to the thread since post 400 (or roughly around there), this leads me to conclude that they are serious about this, which makes me rather sad about the direction this game is going with this update. This is after all, not a small change, whatever CCP thinks about it.
Nothing is smaller in EVE than the players. At least compared to the devs egos and greed for the RMT revenue they expect.
Consider all the renters alt accounts for cynos, logistics and stuff. It is not realistic to assume that a huge number of players will leave but it is very realistic to believe that they will not pay for additional accounts that will not serve them any longer. So even concerning this side of the matter this has to be a joke rather then a well thought plan.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
look at it from a larger PoV
the old saying is dont fly what you cant afford to loose
now look at certain alliances
they are far beyond that point they welping titans after titans and supers fleets (and subcaps ) not so long ago loosing a few **** lost would break an ally now you just shrug it off
what this change will bring is imo
- renters will pay less or stop paying at all - the average Joe will demand a good ship replacement program and leaders will need to pay out , not loosing their 5th titan and so on
will these changes be enough ? i doubt it ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming
How terribly wrong you are. This does not affect the large ALLIANCES at all as they got their income out our moongoo. This does affect ONLY small alliances and players. It will destroy a diversity of renters in space. It will NOT AT ALL break the large alliances. But it will destroy life in nullsec for at least 80% of the renters. This means less conflict among renters and even bigger blobs. This will mean less pew pew as there are only 2 options: 1) The freakin system is empty anyway 2) The system is worth it to keep sov and rat so there will be the blob concentrated.
In the end there will be a few huge powerblocks that control the entire nullsec and for younger players with lesser SP and no supers it will be almost impossible to join them.
The only thing this patch would be good for is to finally destroy most of the smaller NC corps/alliances. But then again it is really sad that you need to patch away alliances and naps by punishing the common grunt. So all this would be in favour of large alliances by completly destroying renters. And donŠt be fooled. There will not be any "good ship reimbursements" instead of titans. Very much the opposite. If you can bring in supers you are welcome if not, then not. So this is an extremly r.e.t.a.r.d.e.d. idea back to super blocks and away from small and medium scale pew pew.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
you just replying ? read it to the end
i highlight it for you
will these changes be enough ? i doubt it ccp will watch were this leads to and i fear more pain incoming
be prepared to rage in a few month again
How stupid is this? We are not talking about enough we are talking about a stupid idea that will not even be a beginning. You donŠt need to watch where this is going to you just need to use your brain for like letŠs say a second. Obviously people in nullsec did use their brains and if this should not be just a silly joke, CCP did not. Easy as it is. But hey I know you trust their almighty wisdom and like thousands of replies from players all over nullsec is worth like nothing for you.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi what brain ??
Exactly. Now go and search your brain and stop *****shipping some CCP.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Hiroshima Jita I am embarassed by the dronning carebear whine in this thread. Some people are making good arguments. But the overall drone is becoming painful. The people who are quiting are worse. Meh.
< lotsa stories >
You brought me back old memories . I was so new to the game yet this was all so fun. Then RL sh!t happened and I got nerfed and unable to do anything of value for Dark Rising (so I left, and I miss them every day. But I don't want to be a dead weight).
Anyway what is really awful is not this specific nerf.
It's the change in player base. When I started back in the '90s, there were text MUDs that make EvE sound like a LOLeasy trip. In 2003 I played a MMO where you had a dozen of quests (no ! on the NPCs heads ofc, no cheesy "tip" or maps web sites) then HTFU and grind to multiple 100 levels with unbonused and group happy mobs.
Then came WoW and it catered to "everyone". And now it's the model "everyone" want to impose on every MMO. The mild theme park with no lame nor fame. This thread is exactly a testament to this minsets change.
Once you EARNED the right to be in 0.0 because being able to BE there (not to lazily farm supercaps) was the accomplishment. Now it's handed on a silver platter, bridges removed every difficulty, stupid NPC ISK pinhatas spawned on demand.
Is this EvE? NO
At the same time what was sh!t in the past, like having static moons giving an almost forever unbeatable edge to those who got there is not going to be touched at all.
Big thumbs down both to the theme park-ies AND this completely short sigthed partial change by CCP.
The former just don't get it, the latter just don't get it.
Thanks for your very touching life story. I almost had tears in my eyes while I couldnŠt care less.
On the subject you are so fecking wrong. There is no RIGHT to be earned to live in nullsec. There is only isk to be made to be able to live in nullsec. If you cannot compete iskwise then you will loose your ability to stay in nullsec. If you got enough isk then you will mount your ship and go out to see if you can make things explode (remember this is the whole idea in this game) Big Alliances donŠt care at all for anomalies as they have propper income from moongoo. Small alliances that started to settle down in nullsec after dominion will be screwed as they spent most of their isk and effort to upgrade a system that is now completely useless. Players are screwed as they donŠt have personal income to replace ships. So how in the world could anyone with just half a brain come up with the idea that such changes would fire up fights in nullsec? It will kick out at least 80% of the renters. Large fights will be about the moongoo. Small end medium scale pew pew will not happen as they concentrate people in hotspots. These hotspots will either be perma camped or be defended by huge blobs (remember concentrating fish means concentrating sharks). Big alliances will get richer and richer and produce more and more supers. Small alliances will be back in highsec and never again make them a home in nullsec (high risk for no isk). Nullsec will be empty except some hotspots. How could anyone with just half a brain come up with the idea that this would lead to an interesting nullsec? It will just feck up nullsec the same way lowsec was fecked up.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
Low hanging fruit; this problem is a quick one to change. Addressing fundamental PVP mechanics isn't something you can wrap into a 1.X patch.
Quarterly Economic Newsletter says: Average ISK in active character wallet: 350 million
and further:
"Destruction the catalyst of production"
CCP really should nerf the average income of nullsec inhabitants. They are famous for never loosing ships and farming all day coz itŠs so safe. So I reckon a wallet of 20 millions should be enough for them. Oh wait... whatŠs happening to the catalyst then if there is no destrcution anymore coz 20 millions will not pay for a 200 million ship? I reckon you just wanted to troll without ever having read the QEN. Right?
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
EDIT: As a disclaimer, when I say "ISK Source," I mean a faucet that creates ISK that didn't exist before hand. To pre-empt arguments, Moon Minerals do not create ISK.
Once again you miss the point. The problem is not generating isk. It is rather sinking isk. Say you buy a ship for 100 million, engage someone, your ship explodes. Is there an isk sink? No ofc not. Your 100 millions are still circling in the system. To refund your ship you need to rat and generate another 100 mill. Now there are 200 mill circling. The problem is that there are some very exclusive materials coming from very limited moons. Where do you think will you money end up? Exactly in the wallet of those who got the monopoly on these moons. Is there an ISK-sink? Yes by paying sov bills, taxes and NPC stuff. But this does not make up for the huge amount of isk they gain by their monopoly. That easily explains why the average player does not have billions over billions but the monopolists do have it. So what effect would it have to cut off the common players income? None! The monopolists create their own prices that are not at all dependant on demand and supply, simply because you need these materials to produce and you will not get them from anyone else. Well there is a little "but". But if lots of smaller alliances could afford and build supers aswell, their monopoly would be endanger to be taken over by new ambitious guys. IŠm sure SHC does not speak for any of the monopolists. Oh wait.... maybe not so sure. Better safe then sorry
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Antigue
Originally by: Evelgrivion
EDIT: As a disclaimer, when I say "ISK Source," I mean a faucet that creates ISK that didn't exist before hand. To pre-empt arguments, Moon Minerals do not create ISK.
Once again you miss the point. The problem is not generating isk. It is rather sinking isk. Say you buy a ship for 100 million, engage someone, your ship explodes. Is there an isk sink? No ofc not. Your 100 millions are still circling in the system. To refund your ship you need to rat and generate another 100 mill. Now there are 200 mill circling. The problem is that there are some very exclusive materials coming from very limited moons. Where do you think will you money end up? Exactly in the wallet of those who got the monopoly on these moons. Is there an ISK-sink? Yes by paying sov bills, taxes and NPC stuff. But this does not make up for the huge amount of isk they gain by their monopoly. That easily explains why the average player does not have billions over billions but the monopolists do have it. So what effect would it have to cut off the common players income? None! The monopolists create their own prices that are not at all dependant on demand and supply, simply because you need these materials to produce and you will not get them from anyone else. Well there is a little "but". But if lots of smaller alliances could afford and build supers aswell, their monopoly would be endanger to be taken over by new ambitious guys. IŠm sure SHC does not speak for any of the monopolists. Oh wait.... maybe not so sure. Better safe then sorry
so now what CCP tries to achive that the moongoo pays for your ship not your ratting money
if that can be done then goal reached i would say
youre an coalition of BFF were is the problem when the coalution helps out the poor grunt with moon money ?
or maybe youre not so good BFF then greed will kick in and war will start
another goal archieved
Once again you miss the point dear sir. The moongoo didnŠt pay for the ships in the past so why should it pay for it in the future?
Im not linked to BFF in any way pretty much the opposite. But Im indeed very concerned about the consequences. As I have described them earlier on I will not repeat that (funny enough you never felt like you would like to respond to them).
So whatever happens here is to re-establish huge power blocks by annihilating the possibility of smaller alliances grow up in nullsec. Drive them back to highsec, make them bleed like hell for any loss and your monopoly will be safe.
Well played meta gaming. But still the player base is shocked about these ridiculous plans that empty out nullsec again.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Evelgrivion
No smaller entity gets into 0.0 without being completely dependent on having the right blues list under the current system, due to the power projection afforded by capitals and super capitals.
Confirmed but this will become even worse with this patch.
Originally by: Evelgrivion
Changing income doesn't make life easier or more difficult for smaller alliances in any notable way over how it affects bigger entities.
I assume having some more ships they can burn to ashes will make a vast difference. So not confirmed at all.
Originally by: Evelgrivion
The only thing that will truly give small alliances a chance to shine is to force alliances to keep the bulk of their big boys (super carriers and titans) at home, or to make them useless. That, and make it so going out to destroy them in a more conventional manner isn't a desirable or affordable option either.
Not confirmed. The only thing that give small alliances a chance to shine is by having lots of succesful roams. Therefor you need targets and therefor you need regular training. Speaking of training you need to be able to resupply with ships in a decent amount of time.
Originally by: Evelgrivion
All in all, I'd say the status quo will stay about the same, but minus hundreds of renter blues who only came to 0.0 to get fat off of sanctums.
You better read QEN. It is a wil fantasy that "renters get fat off sanctums". In reality it pays of their costs for what they like to do: Let ships explode. It will also have tremendous effects on nullsec pew pews when they will have troubles finding targets. The hundreds of renters that are driven back to empire still enjoy pew pew but they will be ****ed and this will lead to ransoming highsec corps to ashes because they are forced to live where they donŠt want to live and they will not run like 40 jumps through empty nullsec for no fight. So you will pick up a target next door. And what is that for? Only to serve the big alliances. There are tons of decent ideas how to create drama in nullsec but to empty out the lands was the worst move one could ever think about.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: UJust Lost TheGAME This pretty much sums it all up lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS5IHVKRzwc
THIS!
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 15:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
I'd imagine a huge percentage of PvP'ers never run anoms, yet manage to fly whatever they want whenever they want rather than the cheapest boat they can get away with. Couple of weekends ago I lost 4 Abaddons in 3 days, yet somehow managed to turn a profit without ever killing a rat.
Yeah and if you are really a pr0 pvpŠer then you will create isk right out of thin air. But I imagine that you want to point out exactly how that "somehow" you mentioned should work for such a lot of peeps that get kicked out of nullsec immediately. Once there was a saying like "High risk makes good isk" Now CCP tells us "High risk still s.hitty isk" How stupid would that be?
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.02 18:21:00 -
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Just letŠs make a small poll:
For coming up with this idea Greyscale should
[ ] get booted from CCP [ ] feel the nullsec players pimphand [ ] all of the above [ ] awarded because IŠm as clueless as CCP in terms of nullsec
Your choice guys
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 07:56:00 -
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"'Ello 'ello 'ello, wot's goin' on 'ere then?"
Yeah we all wonder what kinda drugs you take.
"At the time we decided to go with having upgrades have the same effect everywhere, to try and maximize the potential holding capacity of nullsec and give more people reason to live out there. Having given things time to settle down and find their new equilibrium, we're now revising our opinion on this decision."
Excellent. After small alliances having planned to settle down in nullsec, spent time, effort and lots of hard earned isk, you decide that they should get patched out again. So all these guys learned was, that EvE is not a sandbox where players decisions make the rules but it is your little playground where they can loose everything over night, if some devs took the wrong drugs.
"While it's been successful in making more space more useful, it's also become a damper on conflict in nullsec. With everywhere being essentially the same in terms of the value of key resources, once you've got yourself established in one patch of space there's little incentive to move elsewhere, because there's nowhere "better" to go. This is resulting in fewer drivers for conflict, both in terms of wars of conquest and also in terms of intra-coalition power struggles."
Once again stop taking drugs. While you were sobbering on your desk completely stoned the whole EvE-Map changed. And concerning smaller alliances: They just didnŠt have enough time to make enough isk, build up their super cap productions and get in enough peeps from highsec to go at war with neighbours. Not even to speak about the fact that they didnŠt yet have enough time to learn how the nullsec warfare job is done propperly. So stop taking drugs or at least donŠt smoke and code.
"It's also a concern that by making the traditionally less-valuable areas of space viable for long-term settlement, we're depriving new organizations of somewhere to start out."
Fecking stop taking drugs. You state DominionŠs been successful in making more space useful. So who do you think did use this more useful space other then "new organizations" that came from highsec and settled down in nullsec?
"We're pretty happy with the increase in useful space, but having a densely populated nullsec is less important to us than having an interesting, vibrant and entertaining nullsec. Therefore, we're making some changes"
In sum you just tell the newly settled organizations to f*** off after they have made their decisions to spent billions after billions in their systems. And how in the world if you are not over any edge stoned should there be an interesting, vibrant and entertaining nullsec with this Štarded patch? Imagine there is war and noone is there? But you are right you can take out your frig gang, run through 80% of nullsec, make a congo at any planet for hours and noone will ever disturb you. But then again you would only do so, if you really took the wrong drugs.
"Expected consequences
* Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space"
Yes highsec. Some are already taking down their towers in nullsec. Well played CCP.
"In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals"
Yes more blob warfare about MOONS! With this sov mechanic any alliance would be completely stupid to go for sanctums as this would be a tremendous isk loss for no gain. They will just send peeps to mission run. You will make the big alliances fatter and annihilate the small ones. Once again well played in making nullsec interesting and vibrant.
"Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec"
Yeah if they really take the same stuff as you did and if they are into making a congo around their POS. For anything else this space will be worthless.
"Coalitions will be marginally less stable" Bulls***. They will reduce some numbers and be even more stable.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Sure this move off CCP is going to have many additional bad effects to those they want to achieve but reading this:
Quote:
For the past few years, several of the changes made to the game have been focused on getting more players to move from high-sec into low or null sec space.
I am quite sure CCP did not want to move former L4 bears in 0.0, they wanted to move the truly PvP players in 0.0.
Something happened: at CCP they seem to have not noticed how modern MMO playerbase is made of weaklings in search for a comfy place to farm.
So at CCP they expected wannabe Rambos to magically go to 0.0, grind anomalies and get enabled to furious PvP, where destruction keeps ISK flow in check and increase manufacturing volume of soon-to-explode new ships.
What happened instead?
That wannabe Winnie the Poos went to 0.0, grind like crazy and bot like crazy and generate 4-5 times more income than what they lose. Result: PLEXes skyrocketed, inflation started going out of control, EvE turned into WoR (World Of Renter) where the same system I'd pay 250M (including 1 mediocre moon) now is 3-4B a month.
CCP went for 0.0 Rambos and all what they got is this Winnie the Poo shirt. Thus they are burning the bear.
55 kills in lowsec... I rofled! Nice troll
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Antigue 55 kills in lowsec... I rofled! Nice troll
Not everyone participates in 1000 v 1000 to be in on 1000+ killmails doing 0.01% damages.
Learn to read killboards! And now go on playing fanboy for changes that doesnŠt affect you in any way.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 03/04/2011 08:32:50
Originally by: Antigue Learn to read killboards! And now go on playing fanboy for changes that doesnŠt affect you in any way.
I don't care enough to look up how much kills you got, it was a general statement, and yes it does affect me, PLEX prices will go down, some of my friends can play without having to compete with 0.0 carebears who farm anomalies.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=lost%27in%27space#losses
says it all....
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space Edited by: Lost''In''Space on 03/04/2011 08:47:57
Maybe I should join a 0.0 alliance, and get in on 1000 kills too.
Yes maybe you should live in nullsec prior to talking about life in nullsec. But hey there is bad news on the doorstep for you: No bigger alliance will take you with your stats and the smaller ones will get patched out. But Im happy to hear that your carebearing friends will have an easier life to get their playtime for free.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hrdlodus now i get it why CCP is doing this! players in 0.0 wont have any income, so everyone there is going to start paying subs with real cash. and because ppl in 0.0 need ISK to PvP and do other stuff and wont be able to make some via anoms, everyone will start buying PLEXes too!! and here we go CCP is richer and we are more screwd. it feels like home all right
How dare you? Nullsec will become more intersting and vibrant. 80% of the systems will be empty and you can easily explore any plaet in there congo any moon and orbit any stargate for hours. DoesnŠt feel that tickling, interesting and vibrant for you? Take drugs and it will. Promised! CCP Greyscale tried it for the last few months and he still got his happy smile in his face.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 11:24:00 -
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The first bigger alliances have already claimed their right for 32er Moons and ordered their renters to dismantle POSes there. Yeah itŠs getting more and more vibrant and interesting MR. Greyscale. And wohoo I heard of exactly 0 and I repeat for you dumb.ass ZERO alliances that called in their members to resettle and start a war for better sanctum systems. What does that tell you Mr. Greyscale?
CanŠt wait for the day til this epic failure gets booted.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: Antigue The first bigger alliances have already claimed their right for 32er Moons and ordered their renters to dismantle POSes there. Yeah itŠs getting more and more vibrant and interesting MR. Greyscale. And wohoo I heard of exactly 0 and I repeat for you dumb.ass ZERO alliances that called in their members to resettle and start a war for better sanctum systems. What does that tell you Mr. Greyscale?
CanŠt wait for the day til this epic failure gets booted.
Way to lay down and let your landlord drill you in the ass. You should have told them to kindly **** off and put 9+ shield hardeners on all the towers and stront time them for some enemy cap fleet to crush them when they come to finish a tower. You know, instead of being a colossal ***** and just giving up like that.
I reckon a propper Capfleet will be most impressed by your hardeners. Smart idea +10
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Originally by: CBBOMBERMAN
Quote:
I reckon a propper Capfleet will be most impressed by your hardeners. Smart idea +10
I dont they have a chance against a whole coalition XD not that the hardners are gonna prevent the invitable.
I was assuming it would be more than one tower. About 20 towers with a lot of hardeners on. Then listen in on comms to hear the moaning about having to siege all of them. Watch as the amount of people willing to x up goes down more and more. Then, hot drop them with DRF and watch from the safety of the POS as many dread pilots get punched in the *******.
Granted you still will be kicked out but at least you didn't go down like a *****. Or am I thinking some of these renters have a spine?
No mate you are pretty much right on that but how would this help a small alliance? You get bashed out this way or another. If they are really smart then they even donŠt go for your POSes but they start to roam you over and over again. Without a perspective to earn isk where you are supposed to be (nullsec) small alliances will start bleeding members. In less then a month there will be noone left in the system. So I donŠt see the benefit except maybe one nice fight (at least if you got someone to batphone and your opponent is extra stupid).
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rubenson THANK YOU CCP FOR DOING THIS!!!!
By the time I heard about this I had in mind only one thing. The dissolution of the imperialistic coalition that is the NC. I hope NC splits in half and a massive 1 year war starts named "East and West".
Today I read the blog stating the obvious ideas that the dev team had.
Originally by: "CCP Greyscale" Expected consequences
Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec Coalitions will be marginally less stable Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
DEAL WITH IT!!!
Bravo Grayscale!
Im far away from being a NC fanboy but one thing annoys me really: Using ingame methods to harm them would have been pr0. Patching them away is lame. Plus: They patch away any smaller alliance in nullsec.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
i told you this before ...
THEY are the gods .. they gave it now they take it away (for the better imo)
they dont patch nc away .... if they are BFF all wil be the same if they are greedy lil bast ards .... i say grays goal acomplished
LOL CCP obviously is your god. IŠm a paying customer and whenever they play god I always got the choice to stop paying them. Guess it is pretty safe to say that -except yourself ofc- noone will accept them as god. And I have seen too many homemade gods falling so it is just a matter of time until CCP will learn it the hard way.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: Antigue on 03/04/2011 15:16:21
Originally by: Lt Pizi
ingame they are the gods their decition is final
do i like CCPŠs way? - yes do i agree with all decisions they made hell no introducing of PI was a huge mess - but it corrected over time moon mineral/T2 production nees of moon goo was another one - i hope thats next on their agenda for industrial 00 revamp
will i quit if the game doesnt apeal anymore - sure in a heartbeat but i will just go not making endles threats of quitting and i will not quit over such a little thing this is
You are terribly wrong. Having a godlike attitude doesnŠt mean you are god. There is one basic rule in any game: Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
I may assume that our small alliance is not different to all other small alliances and people in here are already talking about other MMOŠs we could play together. ThatŠs a shame and Greyscale and godlike attitude is responsible for that. One could argue that things calm down once the dust has settled. But they lured lots of people into nullsec, made them invest lots of effort and isk and finally patch them out over night. There is an old saying: If you cheat me once itŠs your bad, if you cheat me twice itŠs my bad. So I wouldnŠt bet too hard on a "the dust will settle and all will be fine" card.
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Posted - 2011.04.03 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Pizi
Originally by: Antigue
Do not turn against the vast majority of your player base.
HAHAHA you finally made me giggle
do you really think that the majority are even on the board ?
there was a study how many ppl read the boards of an mmo and it was like 3-4 % but lets say this is eve and 10 % read it
thats out of 360k ppl 36k now lets asume everyone has 3 accounts ....
thats 12k RL ppl
now we have 2500 posts lets asume everyone made only 2 post thats 1200 RL ppl out of 12k forum visitors (10%) or 120k real players (1%) and i staced the numbers highly in your favor
another pov - highsecers they really dont care .. why would they -low seccers same - 00 big allies the good ones will shrug it off like they always do the bad ones will die - 00 renters now they are hit by this .. they need other ways of income , stop paying rent whatever .. again the ppl there who can adept will survive , the ones that did run sanctums all day in and out will be gone
overall eve wins
You really believe in what you are writing?
That makes me laugh now.
I can already hear the highsec corps whine when such a lot of renters with at least some pvp experience and a lot of pvp fun return to highsec. They will not jump through empty nullsec to get blobbed in their face when they finally hit the hotspots. They will rather learn that highsec ransoming can be a nice side business and you donŠt have to jump like 40 times to get blobbed in the face. I can already hear the pew pew demands for targets and their protests about increasing blobs in the hotspots. I can imagine young players who joined for their first time a corp to learn some stuff about eve and this corp get straight away wardecced and the young sirs get killed if they ever leave the station. So you really believe this will not have effects on all aspects of EvE? Really?
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Posted - 2011.04.03 16:15:00 -
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Dear Pitzi,
you simply donŠt have valid arguments.
The only thing you are doing is -and I quote you- "believe in CCP".
The question I got is how much does CCP pay you for being their fanboy?
You are not an inhabitant of nullsec, never built up an alliance and you are not even sov-holder.
So how much would CCP pay you for being their only fanboy left atm?
Oh yeah I know you do it for free coz you are such a strong believer in CCP and their great ideas...
Why not go back to your lowsec and wait for some poor soul to gank?
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Posted - 2011.04.04 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Angst IronShard CCP do well with this patch.
For all the whiners, who dare call themselves 0.0 hardcore players. I lived in 0.0 for years, Curse, Geminate, Syndicate, Pure Blind, The Vale, Deklein, Insmother, Wicked Creek, Immensea, Delve, Fountain, all around the cluster so, and I never chain-farm anomalies to buy ships. There are plenty of others not boring stuffs to do in EvE to get fun and make isks. The True Sec must reflect the high quality of systems contents, you'll want to chain farm high end anomalies, well, go and do war now to get access to those systems. Get the **** out of your farming torpor. The sand is slowly moving, adapt or die, yeah, it's a cruel virtual game.
Good job CCP !
The simple fact is that new alliances were intended to settle down in nullsec.
New alliances put all their assets together, went into nullsec, were killed by pew pews and spent their assets int upgrading systems and keeping new ships coming.
Now CCP just tells them to p*** off.
But of course we got the super pr0s that have done everything in EvE, know everything and make isk by just being extra pr0.
Basically all they are saying is: "Im fecking pr0."
Now that we know that you are so awesome, go out and get new players with like 10 million sp and small wallets to settle down in nullsec.
But I know they do not deserve to live there... why? well simply because you the super pr0 says so.
Funny enough the best pvpŠer I know were not too much interested in sov but a lot in moons.
And who will be your targets tomorrow if you tell everyone he is not worth it to live in nullsec?
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Posted - 2011.04.04 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Antigue on 04/04/2011 22:13:08
Originally by: Dodgy Past Providing peons to 1000 man blobs doesn't exactly equip you to through your weight around hi sec. Nullsec bears aren't magically better than hi sec bears, infact what are you going to do when your opponents can also dock up... not something you're used to seeing because the only 'small' gang PvP you've seen is forming a blob 5 times the size of a roaming gang then using jump bridges to try and trap them.
What will happen though is that competition to get into corps with good space will increase, and obviously you're crying so much because you know no one decent will have you.
Well mate you are a bit to much focused on NC.
Unfortunately what you say makes perfect sense.
But IŠm talking about smaller alliances not NC.
These alliances can in no way compete with PL and other pr0s.
They neither have the ISK, nor the skills, nor the personal skills not to speak about the lack of experience in terms of pvp.
PL can field anything, counter anything (aslong as it is not a huge NC blob) and win the day.
I donŠt take your last sentence as a personal insult, as for obvious reasons this would be a perfect stupid insult if you ever check my employment history.
But true is, that PL would not take those guys I brought to nullsec and still these are your and maybe even my targets of the future as they will farm, bleed and hopefully learn. Then the circle starts over and over again.
The only thing they never had was enough time to farm, bleed and learn over and over again. Even worse they took all their carebearing assets and put them in upgrading system to start the said cycle. Now CCP stops this cycle over night.
You will agree that these guys deserved to be in nullsec simply by the fact that they took the risk to start the cycle and keep it going while others bearing in high for their third 6 billion ratting golem or whatever b***sh*t.
What you need to take into account is, that only a few corps/alliances can compete with PL and PL corps. This does not match at all for the vast majority of alliances and corps. So PL and some other pr0s ofc have other means of income then the average alliance simply because they are in EvE a class of its own. Small alliances that consist of mostly unexperienced and low skilled players are even more limited iskwise.
Still even PL needs the other guys, that canŠt compete with them coz who would be your future target if they experienced that CCP f**ed them and stay for their furture career in highsec?
And btw didnŠt we all enjoy any carrier and mom that a bear lost in space to our guns?
Edit: I was talking about NC not NCDOT but then again NCDOT changed a lot from where it came :)
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Posted - 2011.04.04 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jack BingKaria Hmm, can some of the people, that claim only so many of the people fight of an alliance answer the following question:
Did you ever bother to have 3 ships in a big pvp battle at same time? Sorry man, but I never participate with more then 1 account character in a battle. Although I have chars from 3 accounts in corp.
Erm yes :) ThatŠs what I was talking about when I said there are some pr0s out there who are a class of its own
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Posted - 2011.04.04 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Your position doesn't make a lot of sense - ultimately because of Malcanis' Law. Consider: - Nobody has mentioned being willing to take more PVP risk while they're running their sanctums. In fact, the biggest whine up to now was how people that weren't even at their computer (AFK Cloakers) were ruining their ISK making because they might bridge a fleet of bombers in on top of them.
But you know what awoxers are? Right?
And whenever we had cloakies sitting in shiny systems we also had enough guys to form up a propper blackops gang almost immediately once a juicy target appears. So maybe you want to point out your argument a bit?
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Posted - 2011.04.04 23:41:00 -
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Edited by: Antigue on 04/04/2011 23:44:15 Edited by: Antigue on 04/04/2011 23:42:03
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Antigue But you know what awoxers are? Right?
I'm not sure what you think that has to do with anything.
Quote:
And whenever we had cloakies sitting in shiny systems we also had enough guys to form up a propper blackops gang almost immediately once a juicy target appears. So maybe you want to point out your argument a bit?
Ok? I'm not sure how that increases PVE risk in 0.0.
-Liang
Take a mom to rat while there is a cloaky/awoxer in system and I promise you will find out rather sooner then later. Any other ship would do as well but the learning experience will deepen with a mom. Promised.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.05 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Antigue on 05/04/2011 17:34:24
Originally by: Dodgy Past
What you say does make sense, and obviously you care for the guys you represent. But the sanctums / havens are providing too much isk too easily. While it may not be a prevalent point of view with the people you fly with there are too many people who believe that just by being able to dual box a carrier and a bs / t3 they're entitled to rat themselves up to a super carrier... and I think this is the ting CCP want to stop, because this is an indirect nerf to SC acquisition.
Personally I'm also biassed because my first experience of null was joining a corp that kicked an alliance that was blue to stain wagon out of a pocket and even seeing them disband. We worked hard for that valuable pocket, camped the station day and night for a month, dodged hot drops, ratted in fleets for self defense against cloakers opening covert cynos... basically doing all the things that the whiners in this thread are too lazy and entitled to do.
If players are prepared to put that much effort into securing the rewards of null sec then they deserve them, but joining a few blobfest fights to just press f1 when lag allows them in order to harvest a river of gold doesn't seem balanced.
I completely agree on that so what I could come up with would be this idea:
There is a maximum number of sanctum spawns each day in every system depending on truesec. This basic maximum number should be enough to give income for like 10 peeps. Once the maximum number is reached, there will be no more respawn til next downtime. Should you have more then 1 system in a region the maximum number of sanctums should drop again with each system significantly. Remove blue standings from alliances and corps other then to their own corp and alliance. Allow a sov holder to grant access to a station for neutral alliances and corps.
If you combine this model it should do 2 things:
1) Create drama because you will shoot "blues" that show as neutrals. You will even have to shoot on your landlords and verca vice. 2) Small alliances will still rent but there will be drama amongst renters 3) Big alliances hate drama with small renters so there should also be some drama potential. 4) PvP should occure very frequently coz lots of renters often share one landlord station and they will all be neutral. So fightings amongst renters for at least securing access to station temporarily should happen.
Just my thoughts how things could work to make nullsec really become a huge battlefield.
Edit: Downtime would be a stupid idea. What you need is a timer on the Ihub so the sov holder can choose when the cycle starts. This should be fix for at least one week so there is no abuse of the mechanic.
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Posted - 2011.04.05 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Antigue Edited by: Antigue on 05/04/2011 17:40:23 Edited by: Antigue on 05/04/2011 17:34:24
Originally by: Dodgy Past
What you say does make sense, and obviously you care for the guys you represent. But the sanctums / havens are providing too much isk too easily. While it may not be a prevalent point of view with the people you fly with there are too many people who believe that just by being able to dual box a carrier and a bs / t3 they're entitled to rat themselves up to a super carrier... and I think this is the ting CCP want to stop, because this is an indirect nerf to SC acquisition.
Personally I'm also biassed because my first experience of null was joining a corp that kicked an alliance that was blue to stain wagon out of a pocket and even seeing them disband. We worked hard for that valuable pocket, camped the station day and night for a month, dodged hot drops, ratted in fleets for self defense against cloakers opening covert cynos... basically doing all the things that the whiners in this thread are too lazy and entitled to do.
If players are prepared to put that much effort into securing the rewards of null sec then they deserve them, but joining a few blobfest fights to just press f1 when lag allows them in order to harvest a river of gold doesn't seem balanced.
I completely agree on that so what I could come up with would be this idea:
There is a maximum number of sanctum spawns each day in every system depending on truesec. This basic maximum number should be enough to give income for like 10 peeps. Once the maximum number is reached, there will be no more respawn til next downtime. Should you have more then 1 system in a region the maximum number of sanctums should drop again with each system significantly. Remove blue standings from alliances and corps other then to their own corp and alliance. Allow a sov holder to grant access to a station for neutral alliances and corps.
If you combine this model it should do 2 things:
1) Create drama because you will shoot "blues" that show as neutrals. You will even have to shoot on your landlords and verca vice. 2) Small alliances will still rent but there will be drama amongst renters 3) Big alliances hate drama with small renters so there should also be some drama potential. 4) PvP should occure very frequently coz lots of renters often share one landlord station and they will all be neutral. So fightings amongst renters for at least securing access to station temporarily should happen.
Just my thoughts how things could work to make nullsec really become a huge battlefield.
Edit: Downtime would be a stupid idea. What you need is a timer on the Ihub so the sov holder can choose when the cycle starts. This should be fix for at least one week so there is no abuse of the mechanic. 2nd Edit: You could say that if there are more then 1 Ihub in a region the respawn rate will drop if this Ihub cycle starts within a 6 hour range from your other Ihub.
Hate to quote myself but a 3rd edit would make me look stupid.
But there are a lot of awesome things you could do with that timer.
Maybe JBŠs only work while both Ihub timers match? :)
Cyno jammers even? if you need 2 corresponding systems to cyno jam both... alliances would carefully check if itŠs worth to jam them.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat Edited by: nano bobcat on 06/04/2011 11:12:54
98 pages of bull**** whine and counterwhine does mean nothing. Its still CCPs game. I respect them doing this step despite of ****ed carebears across the half of eve's 0.0, but there are things which have to be done.
Basically all you are saying is that you are more pr0 then most nullsec inhabitants.
But then look who is talking:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=nano+bobcat
You are terrible. Seriously, EvE doesnŠt want you. No matter if this is your main or just an alt and youŠre not having the balls to post with your main.
Take that Liang guy with you that is so much informed about nullsec that he never heard about awoxers.
Oh LostinSpace also belongs to you guys, as he is so pr0 that he even doesnŠt know how much isk can be made an hour in a sanctum while still pretending to have any clue about life in nullsec.
So go away. You are simply terrible. Us donŠt want you.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space
Originally by: Th3bl4ckr4bbit Edit 98 pages.... well this patch affects a few people, i don't see a 98 pages topic to welcome the incursions or something else.
I don't see 98 pages to the dominion expansion when they introduced this 0.0 upgradable anomaly, so, what's your point?
Originally by: Tia Langs 98 pages and Greyscale still think this is the best idea
that's because it is
Originally by: Jenny d'Orrin I can't believe Liang is actually still talking to you nublets.
Yeah, I can't believe it either, even after some personal insults
Would you guys just stop glorifying yourself with alt chars? Show me killboards and I will take you serious (maybe). Other then that itŠs just a troll.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lost'In'Space OH WOW, KILLBOARD STATS
Aren't you the same guy who picked on someone and said all his kills were in low-sec and accused others are failing to read killboard, when that person had his last kills in 0.0?
You seemed bitter, did they crush your isk farming ability? are your systems in -0.0 to -0.245 now?
You are so clueless that it is almost lovely again sweetheart.
Some people can read killboards. So they know more then just some stats. Weird, isnŠt it?
So maybe your misinterpretation "OH WOW KILLBOARD STATS" may result from a little lack of knowledge?
I challenge you to join a nullsec corp and start learning before you make yourself look stupid on forums mate.
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Antigue
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: nano bobcat
so, this is my KB: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Mark+Hadden this means, im more pro than you and you should STFU, right?
Nope that means you should post with your main char and not pretend to be someone you might not be. Then we could see if you are living in nullsec and got nullsec experience. Then we can propperly discuss nullsec issues. So got nothing to do with stats. Got it now?
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