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        |  Az Tek
 I Am Atlas
 
 16
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:16:00 -
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 So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much. 'It' being the game players obsession over the game. There are many different types, groups, and or categories of gamers (Or all being one in the same) however for the sake of typing (on my phone) we'll use just two. Casual gamers and hardcore gamers.
 
 Now the word obsession may not be the right word to use. Any game can be addictive, some more than others. I'm speaking in general terms. Another word may be more appropriate; I'm referring to the game players drive and 'motivation'. At what point is playing too much. This being the amount of time your playing. Can you get 'too' involved in this/any game? What defines too much or too involved? Obviously this is a loaded question not based on any facts, except only comparatively maybe, and one completely based on opinion.
 
 I know some players who will log maybe 5 hours a week of game play (casual gamers) whereas I know others who have logged more than 40+ (hardcore gamers) I myself have logged over 100+ hours in a single week. A few times I even spent my entire weekend, waking up Friday morning and not going to sleep until Sunday night, playing EVE. I've logged some crazy hours in EVE yet I've met a few others who have logged more. So what makes the difference between a hardcore gamer and one morbidly obsessed? (If there is such a thing)
 
 Example: I know a guy who made flash cards of EACH and every ship in eve as well as drones and mods to memorize dmg types, attributes, etc, to better understand game mechanics. I personally see nothing wrong with this and got copies of said flash cards. Ofc they helped. Knowing all these things in advance and not having to seek references prior to commiting to an engagement are truly helpful.
 
 However, it being helpful or not is neither the issue or concern. It's whether or not this level of commitment to a game is good or bad, or healthy or unhealthy etc, etc,. I'm only curious because me (hardcore EVE player), a friend (casual EVE player), and my mom (hardcore WOW player) were discussing it and I wanted some outside input. Sorry for the length and feel free to comment or troll. Thanks.
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        |  Webvan
 State War Academy
 Caldari State
 
 34
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:19:00 -
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 To what? there's plenty already...
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        |  Az Tek
 I Am Atlas
 
 16
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:23:00 -
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 Webvan wrote:To what? there's plenty already... 
 I do not understand your question.... At all...
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        |  Raiz Nhell
 DEEP CORPS
 
 160
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:24:00 -
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 When you try and "Warp to 0" on the fridge to get a beer... time to log off...
 
 But seriously...
 I don't think of myself as a hardcore player... but I tend to be online a great deal and I take a great deal of notice in changes and mechanics...
 
 I think the difference is not in logged in hours or style of play... Just ask yourself this question:
 You have finally fleeted up for a great roam/battle you've been waiting ages for... FC says "Jump", significant other says "come to the hot-tub"...
 In that answer you'll find whether your obsessive or normal :)
 
 
 
 There is no such thing as a fair fight...
 
 If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
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        |  Mr Epeen
 It's All About Me
 
 1747
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:28:00 -
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 I would say that the whole flash card thing might indicate a rather over zealous approach to what should be a simple pastime and a way to spend a relaxing evening in front of the computer.
 
 But that's just me.
 
 Mr Epeen
  There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks
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        |  Methesda
 Sebiestor Tribe
 Minmatar Republic
 
 9
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:30:00 -
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 I'm sure this has been said about any obsession: but obsession itself is not healthy.
 
 Eve is an obsession if you do it to the exclusion of your own health, relationships, or happiness.
 
 In short, if you aren't forming good relationships around you, because you have to go fleet, or you are not eating because you can't pull yourself away for long enough than to cook yourself a meal, or you simply are playing but feeling like you are getting knowhere, then you are on the unhealthy side.
 
 There is nothing wrong with playing 100 hours in a week per se. Just remember that in years to come, when Eve is dead and buried, you'll look back on your life and consider what you've achieved...
 
 Me personally, I play about 10 hours a week. I have a beautiful 7 month old baby girl, and I love her to pieces. She is the best thing I've done in my life. If I where to wake up one morning and realise that I'd rather be playing Eve than with her, I know something is deeply wrong with my head. That's an extreme circumstance, but put it in context. Have you considered what you want from your life recently? Do you have a '5 year plan'? Is Eve-time getting in the way of that?
 
 On that note, I'd also like to point out that I used to play a lot. But then I decided I wanted to do something else. Let me tell you - You can't achieve much in 10 hours a week in Eve BUT, its still hella fun. I think a lot of people miss a key point - I've used it in another thread today. Eve isn't about being the richest, or having the biggest ship. It's about the journey. That journey can be taken with 1 million in your wallet, or 1 billion. That journey can be taken with 10 quality hours a week, or 100 hours. It's just as fun. Trust me.
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        |  Elli M0o
 University of Caille
 Gallente Federation
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 03:34:00 -
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 I'd say it depends on what is your stage in RL is..
 
 Me, I am hardcore eve player. I realised long ago that eve is going to be my downfall if ever i have one. I have an important exam (life altering you'd say) in 3 days and still couldnt resist logging in and sitting in station or being on TS.
 
 In some ways, I am glad that i got addicted to eve and not something else. In my personal observation, eve has the ability to sensitise us to many RL failures. I learned not to blame the fc or game mechanic if i lose something in eve and that helped me have a good perspective on things. Eve is very harsh and unforgiving and the nature rubs off on us that when something goes wrong for me in RL i start thinking about what i could do better to avoid that next time and spend less time blaming it on others.
 
 I am sure everyone learns this at some point but i think eve forced me into that way of thought much sooner than i couldve done on my own.
 
 I am still unsure if that is an advantage or disadvantage though.
 
 
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        |  Sturmwolke
 
 263
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 04:05:00 -
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 It's a hobby. The interest can wax and wane depending on RL.
 Long term players learn to account for this.
 
 
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        |  Alavaria Fera
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 1288
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 04:27:00 -
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 Elli M0o wrote:In some ways, I am glad that i got addicted to eve and not something else. In my personal observation, eve has the ability to sensitise us to many RL failures. I learned not to blame the fc or game mechanic if i lose something in eve and that helped me have a good perspective on things. Eve is very harsh and unforgiving and the nature rubs off on us that when something goes wrong for me in RL i start thinking about what i could do better to avoid that next time and spend less time blaming it on others.
 I am sure everyone learns this at some point but i think eve forced me into that way of thought much sooner than i couldve done on my own.
 
 I am still unsure if that is an advantage or disadvantage though.
 I can't help but think of any newbie as being overwhelmingly adorable, even before I meet them.
 
 We haven't had a big group of cute newbies recently, we need more.
 
 Sturmwolke wrote:It's a hobby. The interest can wax and wane depending on RL.Long term players learn to account for this.
 On the one hand, the people that fuel the JBs and work our alliance moons disappear for long periods of time and then return.
 
 And then you have Boat, who never tires of shooting structures. Ever, really.
 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
 Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm
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        |  stoicfaux
 
 1522
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 04:37:00 -
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 Meh, Eve players aren't hardcore enough for there to be concern about whether they play "too much."
 
 Documented deaths due to Online Game Addictions
 
 
 
 You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
 
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        |  Sturmwolke
 
 263
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 04:41:00 -
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 You will never see this in WOW - http://i48.tinypic.com/731d1l.jpg
 
 (Gem that was posted in one of the channels just now. It's a bug)
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        |  Webvan
 State War Academy
 Caldari State
 
 36
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 05:37:00 -
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 stoicfaux wrote:whether they play "too much." Oh! I understand the thread now! hahaha-hahaha-hahaha... yeah whatever.
 
 now that I have time.... *pulls up google* I know what I'm looking for...
 
 Child starved to death
 "After a long gaming session, the childs parents , dad Kim Yoo-chul, 41, and mum Choi Mi-sun 25 came home to find their daughter dead. "
 
 3 day mmo session
 "According to preliminary findings, the length of time this man spent online might have triggered heart problems"
 
 Guy playing lol dead 9 hours unnoticed at internet cafe
 "It's easy to get absorbed in a game, but it's another thing entirely to be so absorbed that you don't notice the guy next to you has died. ...his corpse, sitting rigidly in the chair with his hands still stretching toward the computer."
 
 Scam? Bah! just pull a gun ...sort of
 "When the collecting party demurred, the teen pulled a fake gun and coerced the collector to call their partner and arrange to transfer the virtual currency."
 
 pvp and permadeath in Moscow
 "Man charged with beating fellow Lineage II MMORPG player to death"
 
 
 EVE has been really tame in comparison. It goes on and on and on, it's just crazy. I hear it all the time in indie dev circles and some mmo news sites that report it at times. Shoot, early on I thought it was crazy for UO castles to sell $1k+ on ebay.
 ...no don't shoot! heh
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        |  Dennis Gregs
 Dawn of Fire
 
 24
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 05:50:00 -
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 It is never "too much" when it comes to something that you enjoy. Unless you've reached the point where you can't live anymore, be it because you don't have a job, or because you're forgetting to eat.
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        |  Az Tek
 I Am Atlas
 
 18
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 05:51:00 -
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 Webvan wrote:EVE has been really tame in comparison. It goes on and on and on, it's just crazy. I hear it all the time in indie dev circles and some mmo news sites that report it at times. Shoot, early on I thought it was crazy for UO castles to sell $1k+ on ebay.
 ...no don't shoot! heh
 
 Lol I had forgot about the castles.. *sighs* such a long time ago..
 
 
 Raiz Nhell wrote: I think the difference is not in logged in hours or style of play... Just ask yourself this question:You have finally fleeted up for a great roam/battle you've been waiting ages for... FC says "Jump", significant other says "come to the hot-tub"...
 In that answer you'll find whether your obsessive or normal :)
 
 
 Well if I told you I never passed something like this up to play eve I'd be lying.
 
 However, EVE doesn't mess my relationships up at all. Its not a problem or anything. Just the time played I feel may be excessive sometimes. Doesn't effect work either etc etc.
 
 I did lose a girl friend over UO tho. Lol.
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        |  bbb2020
 Carebears with Attitude
 
 5
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 05:56:00 -
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 I'll say; ask one og the CSMs.
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        |  Az Tek
 I Am Atlas
 
 18
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 05:56:00 -
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 Dennis Gregs wrote:It is never "too much" when it comes to something that you enjoy. Unless you've reached the point where you can't live anymore, be it because you don't have a job, or because you're forgetting to eat. 
 Haha yeah, no I eat, bath, lol and yes I enjoy it, That's how I justify it. Everyone has a hobby they like. My thing is just the amount of time I put into it. But also another reason I put so much time in it is cause I have the time. My job is to sit in front of a pc and pretty much do nothing. So the 8 hours I'm at work 7 are spent on eve. So I guess that's why its so much. Or feels like so much.
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        |  Matriarch Prime
 Sebiestor Tribe
 Minmatar Republic
 
 23
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 05:59:00 -
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 If passions align with your dreams and goals, which are themselves healthy and proportionate, then they are good.
 
 I think like EvE and other MMOs can help players find community when options are few, or otherwise limited. I think that is always healthy to want to connect with others. Some may feel like they would be a better community member if they understand the game better, and if flashs help that person do that, the by all means, flash card away.
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        |  Josef Djugashvilis
 The Scope
 Gallente Federation
 
 494
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 06:46:00 -
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 My family take the view that my even having a Eve account means that I play a 'silly kids game' too much.
 
 You want fries with that?
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        |  Chribba
 Otherworld Enterprises
 Otherworld Empire
 
 4676
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 07:06:00 -
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 Too much would be when your real life starts to suffer, however if your way of life is eve then there's no such thing as too much haha
 
 But really if you're worried, then you're probably playing too much and should take a break.
 
 /c
 
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        |  Az Tek
 I Am Atlas
 
 19
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 07:06:00 -
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 Josef Djugashvilis wrote:My family take the view that my even having a Eve account means that I play a 'silly kids game' too much.
 
 Ouch. I'm blessed with a gaming family. Both my sis (wow) and bro (eve) play games. As does my mom (wow/D3) and step siblings.
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        |  Jax Bederen
 Dark Horse RM
 
 150
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 07:42:00 -
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 If it becomes a central focus for someone it's not to good as one just let's life pass by playing a video game, with non tangible rewards. There's lots to do, learn and experience in life. A game is pretty much irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
 Same thing could be said for starring at a TV all day.
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        |  Fedor Trillaby
 School of Applied Knowledge
 Caldari State
 
 0
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 07:49:00 -
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 When this happens:
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFw3f6aedMQ&feature=related
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        |  Soundwave Plays Diablo
 Royal Amarr Institute
 Amarr Empire
 
 117
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 07:59:00 -
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 A person is only qualified to judge that for themselves. Anything else is pretentious and lame.
 
 
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        |  pussnheels
 
 555
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 08:39:00 -
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 Maybe it is time the OP takes a break before burning out completely or turning into a asocial basement dweller
 When you return and you will return you will eveb enjoy this game even morez
 I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
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        |  Proletariat Tingtango
 GoonWaffe
 Goonswarm Federation
 
 119
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 08:40:00 -
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 Compared to other MMOs this game is hilariously low-effort once you get past the steep learning curve. CCP didn't even pretend the grind was about anything other than money, letting you train skills passively. That alone means this game is actually less of a black-hole for my life than anything else. I sit around and wait for a frigate fleet broadcast, or if I need money I set aside a couple of hours to shoot at space pirates.
 
 99% of this game is sitting inside a station. If that's a lifestyle for you, you're not playing this game the right way.
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        |  War Kitten
 Panda McLegion
 
 1104
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 11:27:00 -
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 Proletariat Tingtango wrote: I sit around and wait for a frigate fleet broadcast, or if I need money I set aside a couple of hours to shoot at space pirates.
 99% of this game is sitting inside a station. If that's a lifestyle for you, you're not playing this game the right way.
 
 Ah, the life of a little bee.
 
 What you described is like logging into a Chess Online game and always playing just one pawn, waiting for someone to move you.
 
 99% is a relevant number, but it is how much of the game of Eve you're missing out on. :)
 
 I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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        |  Domer Pyle
 Northwest Industries International
 Technical Exploration Conglomerate of Hemera
 
 17
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 11:44:00 -
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 Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Compared to other MMOs this game is hilariously low-effort once you get past the steep learning curve. CCP didn't even pretend the grind was about anything other than money, letting you train skills passively. That alone means this game is actually less of a black-hole for my life than anything else. I sit around and wait for a frigate fleet broadcast, or if I need money I set aside a couple of hours to shoot at space pirates.
 99% of this game is sitting inside a station. If that's a lifestyle for you, you're not playing this game the right way.
 
 this. so much this. i log on, read mission chat, maybe run a couple missions, then log off and do something else. easy. sure, sometimes this changes a bit, but it's largely the same every time i log on.
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        |  Norian Lonark
 Black Thorne Corporation
 Black Thorne Alliance
 
 33
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 13:06:00 -
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 A very high level breakdown of a typical week for me:
 
 37.5 hours at work
 56 hours sleeping
 14 hours sport training
 
 So that's leaving me with around 60 hours before taking into account any-time for eating, washing doing household tasks spending time with the family or nights out / social events.
 
 I would find it impossible to spend 100+ hours a week in game and personally think that doing so would be detrimental.
 
 
 
 
 
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        |  IGNATIUS HOOD
 Zephyr Corp
 Black Thorne Alliance
 
 327
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 15:03:00 -
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 Methesda wrote:I'm sure this has been said about any obsession: but obsession itself is not healthy.
 Eve is an obsession if you do it to the exclusion of your own health, relationships, or happiness.
 
 In short, if you aren't forming good relationships around you, because you have to go fleet, or you are not eating because you can't pull yourself away for long enough than to cook yourself a meal, or you simply are playing but feeling like you are getting knowhere, then you are on the unhealthy side.
 
 There is nothing wrong with playing 100 hours in a week per se. Just remember that in years to come, when Eve is dead and buried, you'll look back on your life and consider what you've achieved...
 
 Me personally, I play about 10 hours a week. I have a beautiful 7 month old baby girl, and I love her to pieces. She is the best thing I've done in my life. If I where to wake up one morning and realise that I'd rather be playing Eve than with her, I know something is deeply wrong with my head. That's an extreme circumstance, but put it in context. Have you considered what you want from your life recently? Do you have a '5 year plan'? Is Eve-time getting in the way of that?
 
 On that note, I'd also like to point out that I used to play a lot. But then I decided I wanted to do something else. Let me tell you - You can't achieve much in 10 hours a week in Eve BUT, its still hella fun. I think a lot of people miss a key point - I've used it in another thread today. Eve isn't about being the richest, or having the biggest ship. It's about the journey. That journey can be taken with 1 million in your wallet, or 1 billion. That journey can be taken with 10 quality hours a week, or 100 hours. It's just as fun. Trust me.
 
 This is a solid post and I totally agree with it. I play around 10-15 hours a week. Rarely when the kids are around, and never if there is something else I need to be doing. However, if its a choice between sitting on my ass watching TV or doing something in EVE. I know what I'd rather be doing.
  I've had the conversation with my wife where she has indicated she'd like to see me more.  
 Its a balancing act. The way I know I'm doing okay is that I don't *need* to play this game. I like playing this game. Lately I've really gotten into Small Gang PvP and I find that I'm enjoying even more. Still not a need.
 
 
 "Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."--H.L. Mencken
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        |  Xen Solarus
 Inner 5phere
 
 141
 
 
       | Posted - 2012.08.29 16:01:00 -
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 Az Tek wrote:So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much? 
 I'd say, when it starts effecting your personal life. There are so many possible examples, but the best i think would be your partner leaving you because you're playing eve WAAAY to much.
  
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