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Nobler
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.08.29 16:58:00 -
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I can confirm - that too much EVE- will leave you in Divorce court paying child support. Which I ended up unsubbing - and using the time i spent on EVE at the gym which got me 70 pounds lighter, and a better wife that likes video games, and finally able to re-sub again hopefully not to have history repeat itself. |
Dennis Gregs
Dawn of Fire
25
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:43:00 -
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What the actual **** did I just listen to? |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
839
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Posted - 2012.08.29 18:45:00 -
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I would say it really depends on how you see what you do in EVE. The perception is very different if it's "just a game" for you, or if you see it as a hobby you want to take somewhere. Some people spend days cycling or trekking or fixing old cars or collecting antiques - I don't see how for instance leading an alliance of a thousand people in EVE is any different.
Perhaps a good comparison would be to compare an EVE corporation or alliance to a football team. To outsiders both are "just a game". But for people in the know and the team leaders and obviously even the "pawns" it can be their life choice.
EVE is in this context actually quite different from other MMOs. What you do isn't just for your personal enjoyment. You don't live in your private little bubble, everyone inhabits the same universe together. If you choose so, your actions can have a strong positive (or negative) impact on other people.
So, at which point is it too much? I don't know. At which point is spending time collecting antiques too much? At which point is working your day job too much? At which point is spending time with your family too much? I don't think there is any clear line. How one chooses to spend their 24 hours a day is entirely their choice, and I don't think it's our place to tell others whether their choice is right or wrong. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
121
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:14:00 -
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You used to. But then they added Warden. |
Skorpynekomimi
259
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Posted - 2012.08.29 19:48:00 -
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Meh. It's not an obsession. I can quit anytime I want, but I'd just come back to it.
I like EVE. I've wanted to play it since it came out. I like the no-safety, real-economy nature of it. I like the gigantic sandbox to blow stuff up and craft and recycle and everything. And I have stuff that's nifty and it's mine. I earned it, or built it.
I put in as much effort as I want, and get out what I put in. Maintenance is a few minutes a day or so for skill queues.
The only thing that stops me putting more in is time and energy. If I got paid to EVE, I wouldn't want to do anything else.
Oh, and SPACESHIPS. Fantasy can go sodomise itself, I love sci-fi. Spaceships and space stations and space battles. And now ORBITAL BOMBARDMENTS. I want to carve a gigantic sexual organ into a planet. Laser my name into a moon. Roll into system, unload a pile of ammo onto combatants, roll out again. |
Russell Casey
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
189
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Posted - 2012.08.29 21:00:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:When you try and "Warp to 0" on the fridge to get a beer... time to log off...
But seriously...
I don't think of myself as a hardcore player... but I tend to be online a great deal and I take a great deal of notice in changes and mechanics...
I think the difference is not in logged in hours or style of play... Just ask yourself this question:
You have finally fleeted up for a great roam/battle you've been waiting ages for... FC says "Jump", significant other says "come to the hot-tub"...
In that answer you'll find whether your obsessive or normal :)
Go enjoy the tub for a couple hours while the Fleet sits at a POS trying to get that sweet 5:1 ratio all pro FCs get before engaging. |
Tiberius StarGazer
COPIERGLOBALHYPERMEGANET
5
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Posted - 2012.08.29 21:10:00 -
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I'll confess I have mega obsessive personality, but I guess I could be out drinking.
I am at the moment spending 40+ hours a week on this game.
But I found a strange side effect. My progression in the game, which is managing a mining corp and making mega profit and the buzz I get from that is spilling over into my day job.
For months I have been unfocused at my day job, which is looking after some 400 small businesses, to suddenly being focused.
My obsession in calculating profit margins and mining quotas means I'm also thinking about it in my job.
EVE, despite my quite silly hours, it's having a positive effect in my life. |
Almox
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.08.29 21:54:00 -
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I'm not a morning person but once awake I'm fine...
I changed my alarm clock sound on my iPhone to the 'Eve targeting' sound and now I wake up fast lol
That noise gets me moving lol - so +1 for eve keeping me in a job ...
I would say I'm 'logged on' every night but playing is about 50% of that depending on what is happening. There's always the social side I enjoy the most and plenty of admin at a corp level
Just keep a balance and every now and then take a couple days off |
Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies
The Unthinkables
103
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Posted - 2012.08.29 22:14:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much. 'It' being the game players obsession over the game. There are many different types, groups, and or categories of gamers (Or all being one in the same) however for the sake of typing (on my phone) we'll use just two. Casual gamers and hardcore gamers.
Now the word obsession may not be the right word to use. Any game can be addictive, some more than others. I'm speaking in general terms. Another word may be more appropriate; I'm referring to the game players drive and 'motivation'. At what point is playing too much. This being the amount of time your playing. Can you get 'too' involved in this/any game? What defines too much or too involved? Obviously this is a loaded question not based on any facts, except only comparatively maybe, and one completely based on opinion.
I know some players who will log maybe 5 hours a week of game play (casual gamers) whereas I know others who have logged more than 40+ (hardcore gamers) I myself have logged over 100+ hours in a single week. A few times I even spent my entire weekend, waking up Friday morning and not going to sleep until Sunday night, playing EVE. I've logged some crazy hours in EVE yet I've met a few others who have logged more. So what makes the difference between a hardcore gamer and one morbidly obsessed? (If there is such a thing)
Example: I know a guy who made flash cards of EACH and every ship in eve as well as drones and mods to memorize dmg types, attributes, etc, to better understand game mechanics. I personally see nothing wrong with this and got copies of said flash cards. Ofc they helped. Knowing all these things in advance and not having to seek references prior to commiting to an engagement are truly helpful.
However, it being helpful or not is neither the issue or concern. It's whether or not this level of commitment to a game is good or bad, or healthy or unhealthy etc, etc,. I'm only curious because me (hardcore EVE player), a friend (casual EVE player), and my mom (hardcore WOW player) were discussing it and I wanted some outside input. Sorry for the length and feel free to comment or troll. Thanks.
Obsession is the perfect word, there is only one other game out there like EVE and perpetuum just doesn't cut it after you start liking EVE. Once you like eve you start looking for other games like it and you realize there really isn't any.
The LULZ Boat. |
Az Tek
I Am Atlas
29
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Posted - 2012.08.30 05:04:00 -
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pussnheels wrote:Maybe it is time the OP takes a break before burning out completely or turning into a asocial basement dweller. When you return and you will return you will eveb enjoy this game even morez
Well to be honest I've not played in close to two months due to my current situation. I just log In and Que up skills.
Abdiel Kavash wrote:I would say it really depends on how you see what you do in EVE. The perception is very different if it's "just a game" for you, or if you see it as a hobby you want to take somewhere. Some people spend days cycling or trekking or fixing old cars or collecting antiques - I don't see how for instance leading an alliance of a thousand people in EVE is any different.
Perhaps a good comparison would be to compare an EVE corporation or alliance to a football team. To outsiders both are "just a game". But for people in the know and the team leaders and obviously even the "pawns" it can be their life choice.
EVE is in this context actually quite different from other MMOs. What you do isn't just for your personal enjoyment. You don't live in your private little bubble, everyone inhabits the same universe together. If you choose so, your actions can have a strong positive (or negative) impact on other people.
So, at which point is it too much? I don't know. At which point is spending time collecting antiques too much? At which point is working your day job too much? At which point is spending time with your family too much? I don't think there is any clear line. How one chooses to spend their 24 hours a day is entirely their choice, and I don't think it's our place to tell others whether their choice is right or wrong.
Yeah I agree. And this is my point. Everyone has hobbies. Some ppl are more into hobbies than others. For me this game provides both fun and networking. I have met a lot of really cool ppl here and made some real life friends. This game has nev3 ruined any of my relationships, has never messed up work for me, any has never caused issues for me in pretty much any way at all. I'm very anti social and early meet new ppl in el so prey much all the ppl I talk to I meet on this game.
Not enough time to explain to following statement so don't make assumptions from it as you'll most likely be pretty far off, but I am homeless. Or maybe a better term is vagabond, or traveler, or w/e lol. I'm 24 and been on the road for many many years. Before I was 18. Been this way sense the first time I left out for the road/rails. The only friends or anything for that matter that has stayed a constant in my life has come from EVE. So in that sense I can justify my lvl of 'use' lol.
I'll end on this note, as previously stated EVE is no different than a sports hobby. There are some who spend hours upon hours and days on end training. They enjoy it. I enjoy this. |
Az Tek
I Am Atlas
41
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Posted - 2012.08.30 05:08:00 -
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Quote: Obsession is the perfect word, there is only one other game out there like EVE and perpetuum just doesn't cut it after you start liking EVE. Once you like eve you start looking for other games like it and you realize there really isn't any.
Again I totally agree and as I'm sure everyone knows this is the truth. Also no matter how burnt out you get or no matter how long of a break you take for the how ever many times you almost always come back. |
Caelis Boirelle
Aurora Investments
20
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Posted - 2012.08.30 09:05:00 -
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Slight aside from the "when is too much" question, but from a medical point of view you start to worry about addiction when you answer yes to any questions like this:
- Ever felt you ought to cut down on your game time?
- Have you been annoyed by people criticizing the amount of time you spend in the game?
- Have you ever felt guilty about how long you spend playing?
- Have you ever spent time playing to the detriment of your health, career, family or similar?
- Do you feel you need to get a certain amount of game time to feel good?
Not a definitive way of saying "damn man you're addicted" but just the sort of stuff that makes you go, "Ooh, should maybe have a bit of a think about this." |
Sotah Osodin
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.08.31 08:31:00 -
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Many other games are like cigarettes and candy - you just keep consuming without ever getting satisfied. To me EVE sessions are like unwinding with a big fat cigar every now and then. After a couple of hours i get the feeling that I'm satisified and log off with a smile.  |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks
Executive Outcomes
33
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:11:00 -
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Az Tek wrote:So my question, I assume, is pretty straight forward; At what point is it to much. 'It' being the game players obsession over the game. There are many different types, groups, and or categories of gamers (Or all being one in the same) however for the sake of typing (on my phone) we'll use just two. Casual gamers and hardcore gamers.
Now the word obsession may not be the right word to use. Any game can be addictive, some more than others. I'm speaking in general terms. Another word may be more appropriate; I'm referring to the game players drive and 'motivation'. At what point is playing too much. This being the amount of time your playing. Can you get 'too' involved in this/any game? What defines too much or too involved? Obviously this is a loaded question not based on any facts, except only comparatively maybe, and one completely based on opinion.
I know some players who will log maybe 5 hours a week of game play (casual gamers) whereas I know others who have logged more than 40+ (hardcore gamers) I myself have logged over 100+ hours in a single week. A few times I even spent my entire weekend, waking up Friday morning and not going to sleep until Sunday night, playing EVE. I've logged some crazy hours in EVE yet I've met a few others who have logged more. So what makes the difference between a hardcore gamer and one morbidly obsessed? (If there is such a thing)
Example: I know a guy who made flash cards of EACH and every ship in eve as well as drones and mods to memorize dmg types, attributes, etc, to better understand game mechanics. I personally see nothing wrong with this and got copies of said flash cards. Ofc they helped. Knowing all these things in advance and not having to seek references prior to commiting to an engagement are truly helpful.
However, it being helpful or not is neither the issue or concern. It's whether or not this level of commitment to a game is good or bad, or healthy or unhealthy etc, etc,. I'm only curious because me (hardcore EVE player), a friend (casual EVE player), and my mom (hardcore WOW player) were discussing it and I wanted some outside input. Sorry for the length and feel free to comment or troll. Thanks.
no u
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smokess
Selective Hearing
Nearly Feared
30
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Posted - 2012.08.31 14:38:00 -
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'Too involved' being a notion of subjectivity, technically I do not think that it is possible to become so provided the gamer himself is comfortable with the amount of playing time spent gaming, either on one particular game or more generally. One could argue that the feelings of others are entirely irrelevant.
If you are covertly searching, as I suspect you are, for an answer to satisfy your own need to justify your gaming habits then you have likely come to the right place. I doubt many here will slate you with the kind of opinion one would expect of the generally prejudicial view of gaming that a lot of non-gamers seem to take.
In any event I would say this; provided you are comfortable with how much time you spend gaming I personally wouldn't worry about what others may or may not think. Third parties might suggest things such as 'if you are cancelling real events to play a game it is too much', but again that is their subjective view and can, in my opinion, be disregarded as such. It is, all things considered, for you to decide how best to rank your opportunities according to priority (presumably based upon the interest that you take in various activities), not for others to impose their own priorities onto your available opportunities. By all means take other peoples' views into account, but one should, I always think, live life according to what is comfortable to them, not others.
To take your question and consider a larger perspective; why should anyone have to justify what they choose to do in their own free time, provided they are content and not unjustly interfering with others?
Meh. |
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