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CCP Zymurgist
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:30:00 -
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CCP Diagoras is here to announce the results of the CSM6! Many thanks to all the candidates and congradulations to the new CSM.
Zymurgist
Community Representative
CCP NA, EVE Online
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Kabaal S'sylistha
Caldari
Technomage Trilogy
Valor Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:35:00 -
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furst
whut iz csm?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:37:00 -
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Congrats to all the winners.
PS. IBtC.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:38:00 -
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Congrats.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:40:00 -
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Yay, at least I got an alternate spot. Thanks for all the support folks.
CCP guys, can you *please* post the *full* vote totals. It seems very strange to have an election and not see all the votes.
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Di Mulle
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:41:00 -
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Congrats.
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AntISGhey
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:42:00 -
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Congrats
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Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:45:00 -
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Congrats to everyone who won a seat on CSM6; it's an interesting lineup and going to be fun to watch CSM6 carry the torch forward in what is surely going to be a very different style than CSM5.
Chair, CSM5
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Duke North
Minmatar
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:49:00 -
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Well congratz Mittani personaly i voted for Seleene but i hope you make a god thing and get your words out the the awfull ccp :P
Performing the ancient and noble art of killing eachothers.
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Marconus Orion
S.E.G.W.A.Y.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:49:00 -
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Try not to **** up the progress CSM 5 did too fast ok?
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Florestan Bronstein
Amarr
Taishi Combine
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Posted - 2011.03.26 15:56:00 -
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Any chance that we get an estimate on the total number of votes cast from "Hours for PLEX" accounts?
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Parah Salin McCain
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:02:00 -
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The Mittani is the Chairman for CSM6 due to receiving the highest total number of votes.
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Nick Bison
Gallente
Bison Industrial Inc
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:05:00 -
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Although my candidate did not make it, best wishes to all who got elected.
A tough job that takes a ton of time and you put up with a bucket load of abuse.
Hat's off to you all and good luck.
Nick
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Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:18:00 -
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Heh.
5 NC, 1 AAA, 1 DRF, 2 non-aligned.
"Representative"
Heh.
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Lothros Andastar on 26/03/2011 16:21:41
 Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Any chance that we get an estimate on the total number of votes cast from "Hours for PLEX" accounts?
The numbers are clear that massive fraud voting took place.
15% of the votes came from those under 30 days. Considering that either these accounts are:
Genuine New players who most likely haven't heard about the CSM
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Alts created after the CSM Voting announcement.
I'll admit, I am sure some of them are genuinely new players, just not over 7,000 of them...
That doesn't smack of alt's being made just to vote, no sir </sarcasm>
Here is a hint, next time, make it so people only 35 days and older can vote, and only have a 20 day window of voting. Then maybe we wont have NC buying the election eh?
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Atif Yilmaz
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Any chance that we get an estimate on the total number of votes cast from "Hours for PLEX" accounts?
Looking at the "results" I too am wondering when we will get full disclosure of the fraud allegations.
I would also like to see how many "voted within their alliance." Cush information would shed more light on the allegations of bias and as yet unproven acusations of GM-involvement.
If you do not know what I am talking about, you are unlikely to care about EVE at all.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:25:00 -
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goonswarm is busy thanking mission runners for their support as we speak
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:25:00 -
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Sokratesz didnt make it in without block votes 
Anyway this CSM thingie is supposed to be something like a feedback thingie for CCP regarding their stupid ideas, right? So for example if they would want to heavily nerf enormous parts of 0.0 they would ask CSM for input about it, right? Oh wait, CCP rather makes fancy dev blogs how they care about CSM, followed by making decissions without even consulting them and publishing it on a dev blog timed such that they cannot discuss it at the fanfest 0.0 discussion.
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Pillihp Sinned
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:26:00 -
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Congrats to the winners! I wish we could see all the tallies as I wonder how my guy did?
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Itzena
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Atif Yilmaz
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Any chance that we get an estimate on the total number of votes cast from "Hours for PLEX" accounts?
Looking at the "results" I too am wondering when we will get full disclosure of the fraud allegations.
I would also like to see how many "voted within their alliance." Cush information would shed more light on the allegations of bias and as yet unproven acusations of GM-involvement.
If you do not know what I am talking about, you are unlikely to care about EVE at all.
Psst. It's only fraud if CCP don't allow it.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atif Yilmaz
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Any chance that we get an estimate on the total number of votes cast from "Hours for PLEX" accounts?
Looking at the "results" I too am wondering when we will get full disclosure of the fraud allegations.
I would also like to see how many "voted within their alliance." Cush information would shed more light on the allegations of bias and as yet unproven acusations of GM-involvement.
If you do not know what I am talking about, you are unlikely to care about EVE at all.
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Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:40:00 -
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Congratulations on the holiday to Iceland winners.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.03.26 16:41:00 -
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Krutoj didn't win :(.
Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
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Sema Min
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:10:00 -
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Well, the Mittani running the CSM.
We're f***ed
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:14:00 -
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Wow the turn out was so unexpected 
Good thing it makes no difference to EVE hahaha
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SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sema Min
Well, the Mittani running the CSM.
We're f***ed
Yep. Someone who lies, cheats, steals, scams and said in his CSM interview. "anyone who votes for me is an idiot!"
Kiss goodbye to the CSM doing anything useful this term.
**** Goons.
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The Chronicles of SamuraiJack
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack
Yep. Someone who lies, cheats, steals, scams and said in his CSM interview. "anyone who votes for me is an idiot!"
Kiss goodbye to the CSM doing anything useful this term.
**** Goons.
oh yeah....now can you mention something about the game going downhill? I'm so close...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:34:00 -
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It's a filibuster smorgasbord.
CSM6 will be the single most ineffectual one yet with a vast majority only interested in maintaining the horrendously broken status quo.
Whomever had issues with the lame-duck status of the CSM before, wait 'til you get a load of this one
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SamuraiJack
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: SamuraiJack
Yep. Someone who lies, cheats, steals, scams and said in his CSM interview. "anyone who votes for me is an idiot!"
Kiss goodbye to the CSM doing anything useful this term.
**** Goons.
oh yeah....now can you mention something about the game going downhill? I'm so close...
/me slaps your manstick with woodenspoon.
Well you're the idiots following him.
Stop ****ting in the sandbox.
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The Chronicles of SamuraiJack
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:43:00 -
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Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to everyone who ran!
This is certainly going to be an interesting CSM...
Meissa, CSM 2, 3, 4, 5... and 6! \o/
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Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:45:00 -
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NC have a confused idea on how CSM works anyway, its not like CCP go "ok guys we have this idea, you guys vote if you want it", if it was this 'controlling campaigning' would make sense. Considering it is "ok guys tell us what you think the issues are, even though we already know and tbh would rather not listen to people who spent the last 5 years trying to NAP everything".
Historically speaking you can almost guarantee not one CSM from NC will have any effect on EVE, but you never know maybe CCP would like the advice of 5 year old insecure kids this time around ;)
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Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:50:00 -
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That result is kind of disappointing 
CSM5 best CSM?
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Shatana Fulfairas
Gallente
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
It's a filibuster smorgasbord.
CSM6 will be the single most ineffectual one yet with a vast majority only interested in maintaining the horrendously broken status quo.
Whomever had issues with the lame-duck status of the CSM before, wait 'til you get a load of this one
I agree with this
Ive got nothing against most of the CSM guys but with Mittani as lead we have no hope on this CSM 6 of getting anything of use out of it... Its a shame to see him as lead, because he doesn't represent the player base, he is in it to get out of it what he can for himself he doesnt care about anybody but him, And said as much on his CSM radio interview on NER (New Eden Radio download is avaiable)
Well done to the others and hope you can still try to make some use out of it even with moron as your lead
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: White Tree on 26/03/2011 17:51:03
Originally by: Kalle Demos
NC have a confused idea on how CSM works anyway, its not like CCP go "ok guys we have this idea, you guys vote if you want it", if it was this 'controlling campaigning' would make sense. Considering it is "ok guys tell us what you think the issues are, even though we already know and tbh would rather not listen to people who spent the last 5 years trying to NAP everything".
Historically speaking you can almost guarantee not one CSM from NC will have any effect on EVE, but you never know maybe CCP would like the advice of 5 year old insecure kids this time around ;)
Hello Kalle Deimos be my irl boyfriend
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
NC have a confused idea on how CSM works anyway, its not like CCP go "ok guys we have this idea, you guys vote if you want it", if it was this 'controlling campaigning' would make sense. Considering it is "ok guys tell us what you think the issues are, even though we already know and tbh would rather not listen to people who spent the last 5 years trying to NAP everything".
Historically speaking you can almost guarantee not one CSM from NC will have any effect on EVE, but you never know maybe CCP would like the advice of 5 year old insecure kids this time around ;)
You still post?
Can you get banned on the rest of the forums, please?
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Puss Bag
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack
Originally by: Sema Min
Well, the Mittani running the CSM.
We're f***ed
Yep. Someone who lies, cheats, steals, scams and said in his CSM interview. "anyone who votes for me is an idiot!"
Kiss goodbye to the CSM doing anything useful this term.
**** Goons.
U mad bro?
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Karadion
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
NC have a confused idea on how CSM works anyway, its not like CCP go "ok guys we have this idea, you guys vote if you want it", if it was this 'controlling campaigning' would make sense. Considering it is "ok guys tell us what you think the issues are, even though we already know and tbh would rather not listen to people who spent the last 5 years trying to NAP everything".
Historically speaking you can almost guarantee not one CSM from NC will have any effect on EVE, but you never know maybe CCP would like the advice of 5 year old insecure kids this time around ;)
Hi Bismaru. White Tree already proposed to you but in case that fails, will you be my online boyfriend?
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POSgunter
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:07:00 -
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Well it wasnt rocket science that you could rig the votes. every account have up to 3 21-day friend trails if each one of these trail accounts purchese a one month subscription the account recive 30 day game time.
So there you have it put 3x30d on your main account by creating 3 friend-trail account with 21d + 30d for same price as 3x1 month sub payment (afaik), + now you have 4 votes.
Hope ccp will now invalidate votes created this way, wich i doubt they will, they will rather have a broken game with one side massively getting advantages like (moon min exploit, all technium moons, unexplainable reimbursement of capitals and supercapitals, unexplainable spawnage of supercapitals, node-killing exploits) list goes but hey atleast they dont hide it.
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ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:11:00 -
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Heh. The tears in here are ridiculous.
1. If ccp allow votes to pass then its not fraud. Remember CCP are governance, judiciary and legislative.
2. The votes are perfectly representative of those who chose to vote. If you could not persuade your friends and allies to vote for you then that is entirely your problem.
3. 0.0 players have more time and (much) more ingame assets tied up in this game. They care more. CSM5 showed blatant ignorance to the needs of 0.0 and the result is that 0.0 mobilised.
4. 0.0 alliances do not want the status quo. sov is broken. pos warfare is still broken. ship balance is broken. income vs risk is broken. logistics effort vs reward is broken. This CSM is essentially unified in its desire to balance these things.
Keep crying your irrational tears of anti goonie sentiment, after all that's what those ****ers live on.
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:15:00 -
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As I have stated before, you'd be surprised how many issues that relate to hisec or lowsec players also relate to nullsec players. There is no need for this divisive nature to exist. Restrain your alarism, please.
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AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:35:00 -
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No females this time.
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Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:59:00 -
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give them a chance. there'll be plenty of time to bury them later.
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Garheade
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Posted - 2011.03.26 18:59:00 -
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Well, there goes the neighborhood.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:22:00 -
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This will be an interesting CSM term, to say the least :)
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SXyWhile
Gallente
Echo Roaming Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:32:00 -
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How did Elise not win ? I am outraged at the fail in this community.
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LegendaryFrog
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 19:54:00 -
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Results summary: 'heh' 
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Lieutenant Longjohns
Jita Knitting Club
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:30:00 -
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The fact that The Mittani received such an overwhelming majority is indicative that many beyond the "voting block" were supportive of his election platform.
The haters are going to hate and claim hacks, scams, bias, massive block voting but, in the end, the results speak for themselves.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Midnight Sentinels
Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Why does it feel like the Republicans won?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: SamuraiJack
Originally by: Sema Min
Well, the Mittani running the CSM.
We're f***ed
Yep. Someone who lies, cheats, steals, scams and said in his CSM interview. "anyone who votes for me is an idiot!"
Kiss goodbye to the CSM doing anything useful this term.
**** Goons.
are you surprised to see this behavior from goons
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Kallista Naari
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane
Why does it feel like the Republicans won?
I was going to say, why does it feel like the democrats won?
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Rixiu
The Inuits
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Posted - 2011.03.26 20:58:00 -
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Hurray. Now we have a CSM who will try to make eve into a blobbers dream. Awesome.
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Sirhan Blixt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion
Try not to **** up the progress CSM 5 did too fast ok?
Progress? Heh. That's not the word I would use.
I would like to take this opportunity to state that I am not an employee, associate, officer, or contractor for or to the Diebold Corporation, and have no present or past relationship with Diebold Corporation on either a professional or casual basis. I have not, and do not, receive any sort of compensation or renumeration from the Diebold Corporation whatsoever.
With that said:
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LtCol Laurentius
Zor Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.26 21:24:00 -
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I see the NC have the majority vote. And all 9 CSM members come from 0.0 alliances, with 0.0 priorities. Well it will be intersting to watch, but personally I have very low hopes of CSM6 not pushing EVE in the wrong direction. Oh well, looking forward to CSM 7.
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kalle Demos
NC have a confused idea on how CSM works
I don't know what the NC thinks about the CSM but Goons were concerned about the lack of input that the last CSM gave CCP on matters relating to nullsec. When CCP starts blabbering about deleting jump bridges and nobody on the CSM says a word about how stupid that would be then there is a problem. Mittens and Vile Rat know they aren't going to be able to make any sweeping changes through the CSM (just read their campaign threads where they both state that explicitly) but they will be able to speak up and provide feedback when CCP wants to do something dumb.
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Sethose Olderon
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:18:00 -
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The only thing I have to say about this is, "What a joke." The CSM elections are supposed to be about democracy and the player's will. I think this election proves that neither of those principles are in play.
I believe, to quote something famous, "Something is rotten in the State of Denmark."
Alliance Owned Stargates
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:26:00 -
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Originally by: Sethose Olderon
The only thing I have to say about this is, "What a joke." The CSM elections are supposed to be about democracy and the player's will. I think this election proves that neither of those principles are in play.
I believe, to quote something famous, "Something is rotten in the State of Denmark."
Yeah, how dare they be declared winners just because they got the most votes out of the 15% of the elligible accounts that actually bothered to vote! That is so undemocratic.
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sethose Olderon
The only thing I have to say about this is, "What a joke."
Apparently that wasn't the only thing you had to say about it. Nice conspiracy theories, though.
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Bel Amar
Amarr
EVE Corporation16855460
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: LtCol Laurentius
I see the NC have the majority vote. And all 9 CSM members come from 0.0 alliances, with 0.0 priorities. Well it will be intersting to watch, but personally I have very low hopes of CSM6 not pushing EVE in the wrong direction. Oh well, looking forward to CSM 7.
My fear is that a CSM focused on a small aspect of the game rather than the game as a whole will be marginalized, and more easily ignored by CCP. If the new CSM doesn't manage to present a "we care about the whole game, not just 0.0" face, then the CCP staff who are already inclined to question the utility of the CSM will feel justified in ignoring it, and the players will get /no/ voice in some areas.
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Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.03.26 22:49:00 -
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CCP wont allow the "NC heavy" CSM to force the issues over to a pure 0.0 stage. The CSM help point out the main problems and areas CCP need to concentrate on, it is then down to CCP to choose what they work on.
The CSM does not dictate CCP policy or actions, you want a proper CSM election with a decent result? Then you need to vote, tell your corps the importantace of voting, hell tell noobs and strangers the importance of voting.
This result is not the fault of the 0.0 alliances it sits solely with the 85% of the population that DIDNT vote.
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Bel Amar
Amarr
EVE Corporation16855460
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Rainus Max
CCP wont allow the "NC heavy" CSM to force the issues over to a pure 0.0 stage.
That was somewhat my point.
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Jack Gilligan
Cerberus Heavy Logistics
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Two step
Yay, at least I got an alternate spot. Thanks for all the support folks.
CCP guys, can you *please* post the *full* vote totals. It seems very strange to have an election and not see all the votes.
There is at least one person on this CSM who should be permabanned for engaging in RMT/botting. So IF the crackdown on this that we want happens that alternate spot will be an active spot :)
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Ankerr Feranniss
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:23:00 -
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Congratulations to some of the elected (the ones elected by real players)!
It's quite a sad day to see the CSM so thoroughly exploited by the metagaming coalition, by the alliance who invented some of the worst things in game, and to have as a chairman one of the most devious players in the whole game.
Anyway he has always said he likes to scam and spy and to turncoat, so hats off to the (few) real players who actually voted for someone who will devote his whole time to ruin their day, and mock them while doing so
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Tommy Blue
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:30:00 -
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Just become one person may choose to "lie, cheat, and scam" in the game does not mean they cannot effectively be a CSM. As long as the CSM is passionate about eve and have a solid understand on what is right/wrong, its all good.
And those of you who doubt democracy in this CSM...you obviously dont like Unions then, you know when they sponser certain political candidates... Welcome to real life.
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Ender Black
Cadre Assault Force
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Posted - 2011.03.26 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ankerr Feranniss
Congratulations to some of the elected (the ones elected by real players)!
It's quite a sad day to see the CSM so thoroughly exploited by the metagaming coalition, by the alliance who invented some of the worst things in game, and to have as a chairman one of the most devious players in the whole game.
Anyway he has always said he likes to scam and spy and to turncoat, so hats off to the (few) real players who actually voted for someone who will devote his whole time to ruin their day, and mock them while doing so
Well, I was not a fan of The Mittani's scorched earth campaign but, you do realize we are talking about EVE Online, correct? This is the game that took metagaming to an art form and is the very thing that makes other news outlets, including the NY Times, write about it. It's that press, that mystique, the back-stabbing treasonous behavior that gains us new players.
Mittens, can be a douche-bag. He is a former D.C. lawyer which probably means he is slightly to moderately corrupt. But, he is undeniably one of the smartest players to log in and I think he deserves a fair chance. He loves this game, why would he try and destroy it?
It's bad form to post outside of C&P with your alt, mmmkay?
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Commander TGK
Gallente
The Deep Space Armada
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Posted - 2011.03.27 00:04:00 -
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Congrats to everyone except the Mittani, I personally find him to be the exact type of person that showcases the worst people of eve.
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Riveting Tale Sibling
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:08:00 -
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Congratulations to the CSM candidates who worked for their vote...
Oh yeah, wait..
Trebor - Bribed for votes. (Seriously, Trebor? I was so in support of you having been one of the few returning candidates who attended EVERY CSM meeting.)
Goons - They're goons.. Please, prove me wrong.
S&M - Thank God. Please try to keep this crap pile under control.
Also, ITT Goons basically wave their weiners in everyone's face while spouting off typical "LOLWhiners" rhetoric.
Surprise.
NB4 - "Post on yer main! Rabblerabblerabble!" 
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Shandir
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:25:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Riveting Tale Sibling
Trebor - Bribed for votes. (Seriously, Trebor? I was so in support of you having been one of the few returning candidates who attended EVERY CSM meeting.)
Did you actually read his 'bribe' page?
1) It did not actually verify you voted at all, nevermind who for
2) It told anyone applying this fact on that same page
3) He even said, you don't need to vote for me, just please vote
If anything, he was bribing people to be aware that they could vote, not to vote for him. And can anyone honestly say that more awareness of the CSM is a bad thing?
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Dream Raven
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:25:00 -
[68]
congratulations mittens!
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adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:41:00 -
[69]
Great... the only small scale pvp guy (prometheus exhental) does not get in because of the damn 0.0 blocks... 
And obvious cheating is obvious....
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Dream Raven
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 01:47:00 -
[70]
Originally by: adriaans
Great... the only small scale pvp guy (prometheus exhental) does not get in because of the damn 0.0 blocks...
And obvious cheating is obvious....
He didn't get in because of Trebor.
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Sirhan Blixt
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:11:00 -
[71]
Originally by: adriaans
Great... the only small scale pvp guy (prometheus exhental) does not get in because of the damn 0.0 blocks...
No. He didn't get in because he got fewer votes than the other guys who did get in. That's how these things work. Perhaps if more people in your pretend, imaginary world had voted in the CSM elections, then perhaps the CSM 6 roster might appear to more closely represent the demographic breakdown of those people in your pretend, imaginary world.
Likewise with <insert your favorite underrepresented, oppressed EVE minority here>.
Also, what sort of "small scale pvp" are you talking about? You have such fantastic notions!
Originally by: adriaans
And obvious cheating is obvious....
Yet only you have the perspicacity to tell. Perhaps if this cheating is so obvious, you might indulge us with an explanation?
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Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 02:59:00 -
[72]
Broken system isnt broken unless CCP says so.
Gratz to all the CSM Delegates.
Its good to see 0.0 get represented at the table, as the last few years have had a serious hate on for 0.0 alliances.
Maybe finally lvl 4's will get moved to lowsec so that people have a reason to go there, and lvl 5's to 0.0 only so that people have a reason to go there. Its silly that low sec is so under used because you make less money there than in highsec and 0.0. When is should be linear Highsec = Safest + least isk generation, Lowsec = Slightly Dangerous + Moderate isk generation, 0.0 = Very Dangerous + High Isk Generation.
Also i think every single member on CSM enjoys small scale pvp as much as they next guy. We are just forced into large scale pvp by our opposition, and mechanics of the game.
Very excited to see where this CSM will go.
Bob
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Ackbarre
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:18:00 -
[73]
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Vekyn
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:24:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
I voted Meissa.
To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone. And don't give us any of this 'friendship trumps conflict' *******s either. Make 0.0 something worth fighting for or GTFO.
EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.
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Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 03:46:00 -
[75]
What's funny to me is that a lot of highsec and "pirate" types tried to ruin an area of the game that doesn't concern them, then got all whiny and hurt when we responded. Now they're flipping out that we might do the same to them. We won't, but it's still funny.
First off, quit freaking out that we're going to destroy the game. If we wanted to destroy the game, we'd push for a buff to supercapitals, which are the most broken part of warfare right now. Instead, we want them nerfed along with technetium (which is another huge advantage to us at current prices but terrible for the game). Will we still push to have jump bridges nerfed? Of course not, we know that nerfing bridges won't reduce blobbing, but it will make the game a lot less fun. My understanding is if we push for anything else, it'll be for improvements to the dominion sov system so that warfare is actually fun and maybe general isk-making improvements to all of 0.0, not just the north. As for highsec/lowsec stuff, Mittani's main goal from the beginning was to get CCP to push through the backlog of original CSM, so maybe all of those nifty ideas for improvements from CSMs before this one will get moved up in the queue, which is something I think we can all hope for.
Having said all that, though, I don't think most of the people who've been complaining incessantly will stop complaining no matter how the CSM goes. Of course, they're also too dumb to realize that the fact nothing we can do will change their opinion means there's no reason for us to try to begin with. You could approach this in a constructive way and get something done with us, or you could keep complaining and be irrelevant until the next CSM (when we launch another campaign like this and fill the CSM again).
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Redd Dredd
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.03.27 05:37:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Vekyn
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
... To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone...
EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.
I'm curious to know
A) what could Mittani do, exactly, to mess this up, and
B) what would make it a "Goon" csm?
Could you provide examples of both please?
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The Pigeon
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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LordElfa
Gallente
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:25:00 -
[78]
Edited by: LordElfa on 27/03/2011 06:26:06
I don't give a **** who got elected.
Being a CSM member is like being the Queen of England, it sounds nice but you don't have any ****ing power.
Congrats toothless tigers board number ****ing 6.
If the NC did buy this election, they wasted their money. Who wants tea?
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Ganthrithor
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:28:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Sethose Olderon
The only thing I have to say about this is, "What a joke." The CSM elections are supposed to be about democracy and the player's will. I think this election proves that neither of those principles are in play.
I believe, to quote something famous, "Something is rotten in the State of Denmark."
Something is rotten in the State of Iceland too.
It's their delicacies lololololol
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LordElfa
Gallente
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.27 06:37:00 -
[80]
Look, to be honest, I really don't care if NC personally paid CCP for their win here, if they can get CCP to fix the damn game then I have zero complaints.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:08:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 27/03/2011 07:10:12
Originally by: Redd Dredd
I'm curious to know
A) what could Mittani do, exactly, to mess this up, and
B) what would make it a "Goon" csm?
A) Filibustering, along with clogging the CSM process up with nonsensical issues, constantly referring to minutes and requiring issues to be read out in full multiple times (a strategy recently used by the GOP to stall progress on health reform in the USA)
B) What makes it a "Goon" CSM is the majority of members being Goons. Also, see (A).
There is a disappointing level of sour grapes in this community. Over on Scrapheap Challenge there are even jokes about "running a book" on which Goon CSM rep will be first to violate the NDA.
Can this community please show some maturity and grow some metaphoric balls?
When life hands you lemons, you make lemonade. Given a presumably hostile CSM intending to force their own issues through by sheer weight of numbers (Goons: bringing blob warfare to your CSM), it is up to the community to respond in numbers.
Rather than wasting your time complaining that the Goon CSM isn't going to address your concerns, voice your concerns on the forums. Encourage your corpmates and friends to show their support for your concerns. Encourage your corpmates and friends to show their lack of support for herpderping Goon suggestions. Encourage your corpmates to support your concerns in crowd-sourcing iterations.
We have to assume that the Goon CSM will do everything in their power to stay in power, so they must at least keep the CSM process functioning. It is now up to the player base to participate in that process and keep the Goon CSM functioning for the whole community.
Best wishes to Seleene, Trebor and Meissa - don't let the Goons get you down!
(edit: "weight of numbers", herpderp)
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:28:00 -
[82]
Originally by: LordElfa
Being a CSM member is like being the Queen of England, it sounds nice but you don't have any ****ing power.
The CSM are stakeholders in the development of EVE Online. The CSM - at the very least - gets to prioritize developer time spent on various issues, as moderated by CCP.
A power-bloc controlled CSM hostile to the community could - for example - astroturf support for extending range of JBs & jump drives, reducing fuel requirements for JBs, titan bridges, jump drives, etc; and then prioritize development time towards fixing those "issues". It would be up to CCP to turn around and say, "no, that's not how we want the game to work."
Even if CCP did veto those suggestions, the very fact that they appeared on the list would prevent other more worthwhile suggestions being considered.
Every democratic process is vulnerable to manipulation by special interest groups. Mittens is aware of this, and all that remains to be seen is how long he'll be able to keep motivating the Goon coalition to keep supporting him. Morsus Mihi and Razor might try to take military action against the Goons (extremely unlikely), but that won't stop the Goon agenda, since they don't need to be in a coaltiion, alliance or corporation to be organized.
There was some guy at Fanfest who got up and told the assembled masses that he didn't vote because he thought his vote wasn't going to amount to anything. People like him need to be encouraged to vote. It takes less effort to vote than to whine on the forums about Goons overrunning the CSM.
Even worse, nullsec power blocs can generate a huge astroturf potential by sponsoring extra accounts with the profits from moon goo, sanctum spamming and other high-income nullsec activities.
ISK faucets need to be shut. ISK sinks need to be opened wider. Watch for these issues to be addressed by the Goon CSM, in favour of their astroturfing activity.
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Nikki Blonde
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Posted - 2011.03.27 07:34:00 -
[83]
GoonSwarm CSM candidate bought votes.
I hope that CCP continues to ignore CSM members as they did before... 
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Garricky
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:38:00 -
[84]
Edited by: Garricky on 27/03/2011 08:38:52
Yah unfortunately this has made the CSM into a pathetic joke despite the few real candidates getting elected (good luck to you three). Well they made their own bed and now must lay in it. Shame really... people were starting to respect the CSM. Now it's back to zero. Well done you jackasses. No tears here (don't feed the animals) but very sad. You hurt the game. Congrats.
Originally by: Nikki Blonde
GoonSwarm CSM candidate bought votes.
I hope that CCP continues to ignore CSM members as they did before...
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i hatechosingnames
Gallente
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:39:00 -
[85]
Originally by: The Pigeon
beep boop ... I am a cheating robot that voted for The Mittani... beep bop boop
goddam robots...
congrats to the CSM candidates... save our sanctums :D
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Garricky
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Posted - 2011.03.27 08:44:00 -
[86]
I am sure they will fix the game to your exact specifications... as that is what goons do isn't it? You short-sighted dunce.
Originally by: LordElfa
Look, to be honest, I really don't care if NC personally paid CCP for their win here, if they can get CCP to fix the damn game then I have zero complaints.
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Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.27 09:34:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Garricky
I am sure they will fix the game to your exact specifications... as that is what goons do isn't it? You short-sighted dunce.
Originally by: LordElfa
Look, to be honest, I really don't care if NC personally paid CCP for their win here, if they can get CCP to fix the damn game then I have zero complaints.
Hey Buddddehhhh How does it feel to be a pathetic douchebag who whines when he loses cause hes scared the life of his highsec career might change cause for once in a blue moon 0.0 is fairly represented.
Here what i say to you go F*ck yourself and quit the game. The entire CSM could be IT for all i care as long as they are 0.0 members, cause it has been too long that we as a group of eve have been bashed trashed nerfed and not spoken for.
Did i vote for Mitts, no. Did i vote for Vile, No. Did i Vote for any of the NC candidates that won? NO. But i will stand by them cause they dont want to break the game but they also know what 0.0 is like. Such that they know that Deleting JBs is BAD, and that the Blob is inevitable due to human nature, and that Highsec carebears are the bane of the game and should just cancel their subscription now. Ruining the F*cking game they are, them and those low sec people that believe that the biggest fight that should exist in eve is 10 v 10. Eve is about Sandbox, player coalitions, MASSIVE fleet fights, taking space, making enemies.
Well here let me Make some Enemies. Mara Rinn your a F*cking Idiot, seriously stop posting noone cares about your period, or that you bleed for 7 days of the month and your male. Also that your an emo f*g. Garricky You should quit eve while your ahead, its obvious you dont understand it and frankly that you dont belong so just quit now.
TO everyone else on this comment board that has said f*ck 0.0 why should they be represented? CAUSE WE DRIVE EVE, its the PVP losses in 0.0 that drive the EVE universe CCP knows it, WE know it, YOU should know it. SO F*CK OFF
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Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2011.03.27 09:54:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Vekyn
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
I voted Meissa.
To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone. And don't give us any of this 'friendship trumps conflict' *******s either. Make 0.0 something worth fighting for or GTFO.
EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.
Thanks for the votes!
I wouldn't worry too much about Mittens, what people run on to get elected, especially in the case of people who are used to troll others, is different from what they do when they get in. Also, the chairman has 0 power, except to open sessions and collect the topics to be discussed during the CSM meetings.
Also, no matter whether one likes the guy or not, he's a bright fellow whose point of view needed to be represented, albeit not necessarily agreed with ;-). The way things work, the CSM brings subjects up for discussion with CCP, and when we get to discuss with CCP, we argue for (or against :p) the inclusions of said subjects in the backlog. People who somehow managed to get retatded topics up for discussion in the past got mostly ignored...
We'll see how it all turns out, but I'm not like "oh my god this is the end of the world!".
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www.seriousinternetpolitician.com
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:00:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Vekyn
Edited by: Vekyn on 27/03/2011 03:26:10
I voted Meissa.
To the Mittani: don't **** this up. If you turn this into a Goon CSM, you ruin it for everyone. And don't give us any of this 'friendship trumps conflict' *******s either. Make 0.0 something worth fighting for or GTFO.
EDIT: also - massive NC bloc during major nullsec overhaul? Derrrrp.
Thanks for the votes!
I wouldn't worry too much about Mittens, what people run on to get elected, especially in the case of people who are used to troll others, is different from what they do when they get in. Also, the chairman has 0 power, except to open sessions and collect the topics to be discussed during the CSM meetings.
Also, no matter whether one likes the guy or not, he's a bright fellow whose point of view needed to be represented, albeit not necessarily agreed with ;-). The way things work, the CSM brings subjects up for discussion with CCP, and when we get to discuss with CCP, we argue for (or against :p) the inclusions of said subjects in the backlog. People who somehow managed to get retatded topics up for discussion in the past got mostly ignored...
We'll see how it all turns out, but I'm not like "oh my god this is the end of the world!".
Yay Meissa \o/ I will be having drinks in your name.
Well done to the Mittani aswell.
This is going to be an awesome CSM :P
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Ankerr Feranniss
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:02:00 -
[90]
Yep, I'd post with my main if this wasn't a Goon-related thread, and anyone who doesn't understand why is a ****** :-P
I'm not against 0.0 alliances, in fact I like 0.0 and have been there, plus I'll probably return in the future.
That doesn't mean that 0.0 must be "the game", nor it should be "MetaEVE Online" or "PirateTearReclaimer Online"...
EVE is a game providing opportunities, and it's ok for sure to have people choosing to do whatever they like, as long as the chances are fair on all the sides.
So, what is wrong in a CSM where more than 20% votes are Goons, more than 60% are 0.0 (NC) powerblocks?
It is the sheer unbalance of representativity, plus the explicit agenda that said powerblocks are already pushing forward.
If you fail to see that, again, you're ******ed and probably a flatfish
Goons surely can do their game, but saying they want it to be better for everyone, well, it's completely out of this world, and not even Mittani would ever be able to say that without laughing his tears off...
In fact, he didn't even ever try
As everybody already can see, there's ppl starting the usual pirate whining "move L4s in lowsec, L5s to 0.0" since the poor poor kids don't have enough targets to gank yet, do they?
This kind of thinking is what obviously would ruin the game economy, plus reduce the playerbase, but they lack the brains to see that, or maybe they just push these stuff forward to keep other issues hidden.
Why don't we all talk about a bounty system an pirate retribution system that's completely useless?
Why don't we all talk about the actual impossibility of travelling through 0.0 unless blue to the sov holders?
There are lots of other ways to bring more life into lowsec and 0.0 by balancing the odds for good, but pirates and powerblocks don't want that, they simply want more revenue and fun for them.
Again, good luck to the three indipendent CSM members, it will be hard work to keep the 6th CSM a decent place at all...
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Golar Crexis
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Posted - 2011.03.27 11:28:00 -
[91]
I have one account, I'm based in hi-sec and I voted for mittens.
Two reasons.
1. I want null-sec fixed so I can move there proper with my corp/alliance.
2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:04:00 -
[92]
All these poor people who think the CSM means ANYTHING to CCP
CSM 5 got some extra PR spin and time devoted to showing the world how :AWSUM: it is, but in the end.. the result was /ignore and continuing on the predestined road map.
The entire reason it exists is so that media/ MMO sites can write articles about how progressive and cutting edge CCP is.
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IreSilver
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:06:00 -
[93]
Edited by: IreSilver on 27/03/2011 12:07:42
What an excellent example of why a democracy (Although I guess the CSM would be more accurately defines as a representative republic) sucks.
The vast majority of those who seek positions of power do so to take advantage of the position and advance their own wealth and power through it.
This applies from something as simple as a beat cop all the way to being a president, and everything in between, CSM included.
Government is what government is; individuals manipulating the collective for their personal gain.
On the plus side, as many have stated, CSM is pretty ineffectual. So damages will be limited, and CCP will continue on the path to Incarna/Dust 514 (Which I think will be cool, though I agree with others that they ought to fix more pressing game issues beforehand. Oh well.)
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Shandir
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:11:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Golar Crexis
I have one account, I'm based in hi-sec and I voted for mittens.
Two reasons.
1. I want null-sec fixed so I can move there proper with my corp/alliance.
2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun.
You missed a bit.
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2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun...
...at other people's expense.
You ARE other people. You will ALWAYS BE other people. If you are not a goon, you will not magically become a goon, no matter how much you would like to be (nor how much of a membership deposit you pay  )
The goons are who they are, they liven the game up, to be sure - but I wouldn't trust them running a tea party, and I sure wouldn't trust them looking out for the needs of the many in a game that they love to troll. This is, admittedly, probably going to be their best troll yet.
Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the primary thing that the NC CSM will want fixed is 'Fix lag nao' whilst 'everything else is fine, more techtinium plz'
Yes, nullsec is broken, and at the moment, it's broken in NC's favour - why would they want to fix that part?
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:44:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Shandir
Originally by: Golar Crexis
I have one account, I'm based in hi-sec and I voted for mittens.
Two reasons.
1. I want null-sec fixed so I can move there proper with my corp/alliance.
2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun.
You missed a bit.
Quote:
2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun...
...at other people's expense.
You ARE other people. You will ALWAYS BE other people. If you are not a goon, you will not magically become a goon, no matter how much you would like to be (nor how much of a membership deposit you pay )
The goons are who they are, they liven the game up, to be sure - but I wouldn't trust them running a tea party, and I sure wouldn't trust them looking out for the needs of the many in a game that they love to troll. This is, admittedly, probably going to be their best troll yet.
Oh, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the primary thing that the NC CSM will want fixed is 'Fix lag nao' whilst 'everything else is fine, more techtinium plz'
Yes, nullsec is broken, and at the moment, it's broken in NC's favour - why would they want to fix that part?
As stated multiple times, Technetium is broken and most of the CSM that I've talked to acknowledges that.
Yet, I continue to see pubbies like you spew the same misinformation over and over. Are you that unimaginative?
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Sticky Nikki
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Posted - 2011.03.27 12:57:00 -
[96]
blimey, someone I voted for go in?
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Shandir
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.03.27 13:12:00 -
[97]
I see you picked on a single point in my post.
My other points about:
Goons being shameless trolls,
having fun at other people's expense (Yes, an important EVE trait, but not one that should be elected to the CSM),
that the primary change lobbied for will be the obvious and yet stupid one 'fix lag' (Everyone knows already),
that the NC candidates will put NC needs before those of the majority of the playerbase?
Oh, and here's a new one - that the NC candidates now have the numbers to ruin the CSM internal vote process - taking the other candidates out of the voting loop. Even assuming that the NC candidates have a real say in their own vote and the Mittani isn't mostly guiding them, they can have a private vote on an issue and then push their agenda forward with unity. Normally, it would take an agreement of a majority of 5 players to agree on a topic, and now, they can push through any topic which the majority of the NC CSM candidates agree upon (majority of three) with no way in the current system to prevent it. This is the way they handled the election - using the unified voting power of a bloc to override the much less unified voting members outside that bloc. This is also not conspiracy theorising as it is exactly how real-world party politics work. EVE just didn't have party politics until today.
Real world politics has too much strategic voting, I don't think that the CSM should be part of the metagame in this way.
'Pubby'? Am I supposed to know and/or care what that means?
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Trebor's Campaign Manifesto |
Freidrich Nietchize
Gallente
Obscure Ops
Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.03.27 14:41:00 -
[98]
I voted with both of my accounts and am pleased by the results.
I hope this is the most constructive CSM to date.
Congrats and good luck to all the new members.
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 14:57:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Shandir
I see you picked on a single point in my post.
My other points about:
Goons being shameless trolls,
We are literally the only trolls in Eve Online: A Bad Game.
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having fun at other people's expense (Yes, an important EVE trait, but not one that should be elected to the CSM),
It's an important Eve trait, but shouldn't be on the CSM? What?
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that the primary change lobbied for will be the obvious and yet stupid one 'fix lag' (Everyone knows already),
Actually, the primary changes will be to get the CSM to actually mean something to CCP. Then they'll work on the horrendous backlog.
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that the NC candidates will put NC needs before those of the majority of the playerbase?
You're right. 0.0 is totally sustainable without Empire working as it currently is. Completely.
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Oh, and here's a new one - that the NC candidates now have the numbers to ruin the CSM internal vote process - taking the other candidates out of the voting loop. Even assuming that the NC candidates have a real say in their own vote and the Mittani isn't mostly guiding them, they can have a private vote on an issue and then push their agenda forward with unity. Normally, it would take an agreement of a majority of 5 players to agree on a topic, and now, they can push through any topic which the majority of the NC CSM candidates agree upon (majority of three) with no way in the current system to prevent it. This is the way they handled the election - using the unified voting power of a bloc to override the much less unified voting members outside that bloc. This is also not conspiracy theorising as it is exactly how real-world party politics work. EVE just didn't have party politics until today.
Nice tinfoil hat. Can I try one on? Do you make spares?
This point can only be proven after the fact. Speculation does nothing.
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Real world politics has too much strategic voting, I don't think that the CSM should be part of the metagame in this way.
Right, nobody metagames on Eve.
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'Pubby'? Am I supposed to know and/or care what that means?
It's you, sir.
I hope that you have enjoyed my point-by-point breakdown and rebuttal of your post. Is this more to your liking?
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LordElfa
Gallente
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.27 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 27/03/2011 17:33:34
Look, the fact is that while the Goons and NC may be ruthless bastards, they actually do care about and have time and money invested in EVE. They want this game to be polished and fixed because that benefits them and in turn, it benefits us.
Personally, I think they'll use this opportunity to gain some respect from the EVE playerbase for their ability to get things done and be unified while doing it. These people may be some of the most evil players in EVE, but in real life many of them are responsible and highly intelligent individuals. They play the game like *******s because thats is the game. However, what they do in the CSM is not the game, its the technical workings of the game and I think that they'll bring to the table, not the ******* characters they play, but the truly intelligent and responsible people they are in real life since that is what they'll need if they wish to get things accomplished.
You want to call me names because I support them, fine, we shall see. Don't judge a real life book by its in game cover you bunch of whiners.
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Jenna Malone
Caldari
W-hat LLC
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Posted - 2011.03.27 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: Shandir
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2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun...
...at other people's expense.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ! I didn't want to post in this thread, but your response took the cake.
This is a ****ing PVP game. In that setting, there's OF COURSE always one player having fun on the expense of someone else. Or groups. If you can't deal with getting owned all the damn time, learn how to play the goddamn game and join a corp/alliance that isn't full of mouthbreathers.
Then again, you're in EVE University, it's not like you actually notice or understand what's actually happening around you.
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:07:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Jenna Malone
Originally by: Shandir
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2. He is a goon. those guys know how to have fun...
...at other people's expense.
Jesus tap-dancing Christ! I didn't want to post in this thread, but your response took the cake.
This is a ****ing PVP game. In that setting, there's OF COURSE always one player having fun on the expense of someone else. Or groups. If you can't deal with getting owned all the damn time, learn how to play the goddamn game and join a corp/alliance that isn't full of mouthbreathers.
Then again, you're in EVE University, it's not like you actually notice or understand what's actually happening around you.
Actually, I have to say that s/he is the only Eve-U person I've ever had a problem with.
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Trebor Daehdoow
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:31:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Riveting Tale Sibling
Trebor - Bribed for votes. (Seriously, Trebor? I was so in support of you having been one of the few returning candidates who attended EVERY CSM meeting.)
The only CSM5 member to do so, actually.
As for bribing for votes, the primary point of the contest was to get some viral awareness of the election and my candidacy going -- after all, there was no way I could confirm whether or not anyone actually voted for me.
However, a secondary goal embedded in the viral structure of the contest was to collect information about the associations between characters. The contest was specifically designed so you could maximize your expected value by not only entering using alts, but also by having an entry be sponsored by a "podfather", which indicated a social link between two characters. Some of these link networks were extensive; one was 18 characters deep!
This chaining information could, in the hands of an unscrupulous person, be used to do all sorts of naughty things, such as uncover spies, shadow corporations, and so on. Fortunately, as an Interstellar Politician who represents all of the pod-pilots of EVE, I am above such petty matters, and would (for example), never ever sell the database.
Several side notes:
First of all, my congratulations to Pandemic Legion, none of whom entered the competition. Either you didn't care, or you figured out the possibilities -- I shall assume the latter.
Secondly, to the many goons who entered, sorry that one of you didn't win -- that would have been so poetic.
And finally, I would like to point out that since Mynxee contributed 4B to the prize fund, and I only had to pay 3.306B out (to Draco Cephus), I made a profit on the whole deal.
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ModeratedToSilence
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
ISK faucets need to be shut. ISK sinks need to be opened wider.
hahaha the biggest isk faucet in the game has almost no risk, has nothing to do with 0.0 and is called level 4 missions.
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:24:00 -
[105]
Originally by: ModeratedToSilence
Originally by: Mara Rinn
ISK faucets need to be shut. ISK sinks need to be opened wider.
hahaha the biggest isk faucet in the game has almost no risk, has nothing to do with 0.0 and is called level 4 missions.
Well you see, that isn't true because you don't just get isk from those missions, you also get LP and loot that you have to sell, which
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Silath Silverpine
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:36:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Silath Silverpine on 27/03/2011 20:37:15
Edited by: Silath Silverpine on 27/03/2011 20:36:51
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Riveting Tale Sibling
Trebor - Bribed for votes. (Seriously, Trebor? I was so in support of you having been one of the few returning candidates who attended EVERY CSM meeting.)
This chaining information could, in the hands of an unscrupulous person, be used to do all sorts of naughty things, such as uncover spies, shadow corporations, and so on. Fortunately, as an Interstellar Politician who represents all of the pod-pilots of EVE, I am above such petty matters, and would (for example), never ever sell the database.
Shoot, may as well admit to it. Just as blatant.
That said I don't really care much (just enough to bother with a reply), I merely find your response hilarious. Along with the results of the entire CSM election.
In the end, EVE is just a game. The choice to play it is up to oneself.
-Edit- Whoopsie, forgot to change my posting character over to my main. This is my jita alt. Oh well.
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Jane Bennet
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:45:00 -
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It's interesting the number of votes cast is split into a "30-250 day" age bracket. Why can't we see a "30-60 day" age bracket, to show how many PLEX were spent on buying votes? (buddy program + PLEX = 51-day old voters, normal free trial + PLEX = 44 day old voters).
Anyway, gz to Goons, you won EVE. My three accounts have been unsubscribed ("OMG HOW CAN YOU STILL POAST??!!?!" Well the paid subscription time hasn't run out yet), and probably won't open again. I paid to play EVE, not to play GOONs, to paraphrase an old Goon battlecry.
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Heimer Drago
Minmatar
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:47:00 -
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Congratulations to The Mittani and Vile Rat for winning spots in this years CSM election. Also congrats to the other candidates. The future of this game is now in educated, experienced hands we can rely on.
Now for most of the rest of you. Please keep up the trolling, the bad posting, and crying pubbie tears we feed off of on forums.
It's not what I've done, and it's not what I'm doing, it's what I'm about to do that may shock you. Here, hold these bares wires for me. |
Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:57:00 -
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C'mon folks.
I don't expect this CSM to be "better" (or worse) than any previous one, nor more effective than previous ones in either improving the game as a whole or getting the individual members' pet changes implemented.
I do think that this CSM may have fewer illusions about those facts though.
Really, I just honestly hope that they all have a nice time in Iceland, and that they post about what the rotting jellied shark tastes like. 
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:06:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jane Bennet
I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME
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Ponder Match
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ponder Match on 27/03/2011 21:43:43
............. This sucks major balls
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Ponder Stuff
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:44:00 -
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Holy Sh*t now we all have to deal with goons..... up until now it was just those unlucky enough to meet them ingame..
I think its only fair to see the fulll results and all the information... I dont think we CCP will show us though as it would cause to much hasstle for them.
Simple answer.... Bring Down NC and the Goons with them......
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:31:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Ponder Stuff
Simple answer.... Bring Down NC and the Goons with them......
Please? I'd like a good war right about now.
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.28 02:54:00 -
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I really wish that voting was only open to 3 months continuous players and over only, however it isn't and given the the majority of players did NOT vote, we sold the vote due to indifference. TO those who say CSM 5 did nothing, I beg your pardon, they were extremely productive, please stop repeating the empty whining and senseless *****ing, and read. The CSM helped change the culture between CCP and the playerbase, and I am thankful.
Best,
AG
***** Signature may appear without warning! *****
Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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Persephone Astrid
The Bastards
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Posted - 2011.03.28 03:55:00 -
[115]
Sausage party. =\
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.03.28 08:02:00 -
[116]
if only you had put that nice table in a graph 
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Face'off
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Posted - 2011.03.28 09:36:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Face''off on 28/03/2011 09:45:20
i've read all the posts so i'll be short and sweet. as i am not prone to trolling or posting, i expect little and care less.
i've been playing for nearly 2 years. i've gone with the flow of things and, while slow at times i've enjoyed the social, over all things. i know the game will have significant changes in it and tweaks that will be very-much wanted. seeing a focused-group get in like the Goonies have ups and downs but also demonstrates some breaks in the representative system.
i applaud them for focused-voting. whatever internal campaigning/alt-vote spamming they did: props. no conspiracy theories, just that. i hope you guys can accomplish what others have 'failed' as i've seen repeatedly quoted in this thread.
i would caution against one idea i've seen suggested and that is the moving of lvl4 missions to LS. it's like McD's changing the size of their fries. --i saw a 2-flip comic strip of a fat kid ordering One Large Fry.. after the change Sixteen Small Fries.-- by moving L4's to LS, you will only seen Mish Runners spamming their L3 agents. in the time i take to run a L4 solo (no straight objective, duking it room-to-room) i could run three L3 missions, solo. with the introduction of the Noctis and the closer-quarters of L3's, zerging is no problem with a dedicated Salv'r or evening a Duo. firing fewer rounds with focused fire from a 2man T3 fleet, the bounties would stack up equally with a L4 mish. yea, the drops might not be so great but that's why we have Reprocessing :)
you want to get people into 0.0?? well i would suggest making a High-Sec ring around Null-Sec. the miners in the 1849 Gold rush only braved the journey because they knew there was a safe-haven on the other side. place some patchy HS pockets along the routes. dont BREAK NS up, just allow some slightly secure channels. this would allow the NS guys a chance to form side-corps that could offer protection to travelers. biggest problem?
TRUST
the same mechanic that broke the voting also backstabs/turncoats the average player. you simply cannot trust who it is you're talking to, if they're 'Ventrilo'ing your ambushed-demise. there's simply no incentive for most people to move into an already populated area with meta-corps and alliances. even if HS as a whole decided to ZERG NS, the focus simply isn't there; if so, it's temporary for a L5 mish.
i've never been to NS and rarely think of doing so. it takes some time to build the trust between corp-members. skills must be trained. timezones conflict heavily. an expansion of NS with either a HS ring or pushing the NS members away from the LS zone to allow new corps a chance are the only incentives i can perceive.
while i may be ranting and the Goonies may bum-rush me with poke-and-prod rebuttals, i care not. i see a game that can be greater that it lay right now. not wishing to join a metacaorp-alliance, i do not foresee myself/corp as a NS presence anytime soon.
yes, it's safer to run missions with LP/bounty/salv. yes, it's safer in HS away from the blob-mechanics of NS. want me in NS? give me an incentive. right now all i see is a huge wall of NO FLY ZONE and bored grievers.
im sure i had a point when i wanted this post to be short and sweet, but as im posting on my portrait-swapped alt i expect this post to carry no credit at all. so be it. i consider myself protecting my corp and alliance by hiding my identity. paranoia? look at the CSM. im only guilty in the company of those who define Guilt.
as for those who didnt vote, i cant say i dont blame you. the half-assed way the Candidates were listed, along with the MPD this game suffers from, i cannot be sure my vote even mattered. it's the same reason Independent Candidates never win in the US: Focused Party Politics and a Broken Representative System.
so do as you will and i bear no Ill-Will. i do expect great things of the CSM; who they shall benefit is for CCP to decide. if you dont have faith in CCP.. then why are you funding their stock?? ??
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Blackcamper
Gallente
Corax.
Everto Rex Regis
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Posted - 2011.03.28 11:08:00 -
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Is ther some one who and link ther winners homepage so i can see what he stands for.
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War Kitten
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Posted - 2011.03.28 12:17:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Jane Bennet
It's interesting the number of votes cast is split into a "30-250 day" age bracket. Why can't we see a "30-60 day" age bracket, to show how many PLEX were spent on buying votes? (buddy program + PLEX = 51-day old voters, normal free trial + PLEX = 44 day old voters).
Anyway, gz to Goons, you won EVE. My three accounts have been unsubscribed ("OMG HOW CAN YOU STILL POAST??!!?!" Well the paid subscription time hasn't run out yet), and probably won't open again. I paid to play EVE, not to play GOONs, to paraphrase an old Goon battlecry.
Can I have your stuffs?
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Welps ArUs
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Posted - 2011.03.28 14:58:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Welps ArUs on 28/03/2011 14:58:48
Originally by: Face'off
:words:
Don't touch my L4s!
:words:
The only reason anyone is looking askance at L4 missions is not so much that they are the largest ISK faucet in the game, but that they are also the safest as well.
If they retained their safety but reduced the reward (by making them longer, reducing the loot tables, or other reward reductions) then that would help balance things. If they retain their rewards but have increased risk, that would also help balance.
I do agree that moving them to lowsec shoots the risk through the roof, so it might not be the most nuanced method of dealing with them...but something needs to be done. People yammer on about bots in nulsec but conveniently ignore the bots doing L4 missions.
Nulsec, lowsec and sov mechanics need further tweaking to make them more attractive for empire dwellers to consider. I think this CSM will cut to the heart of that and try to get CCP to follow through with some of their previously-promised updates and incentives.
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Rayne Stryker
Gallente
Hole Diggers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.28 15:06:00 -
[121]
Congratulations to all that were elected.
To the Mittani, I wish you the best at appropriately representing the capsuleer community. If you screw this up just for craps and giggle, well..............just sayin'
To all the ignorant posting here, just because CCP doesn't say anything about it, doesn't make behavior right or appropriate. Dirtbag politics is dirtbag politics and is performed by dirtbags, period.
For the goons, please make sure you keep your head with you all day today, as it sounds like a number of you are wandering around without yours.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.03.28 15:15:00 -
[122]
Pretty sure accounts not connected to goons voted for Mittani. Congrats to Mittani and Seleene. This should make for an interesting CSM.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2011.03.28 15:51:00 -
[123]
Congratulations to the winners, here's hoping the good work built upon will continue to proceed further with CCP's support in taking player concerns seriously and making good use of the CSM.
Also I hope new members will make use of older members knowledge and advice, both those with prior CSM experience on this CSM and those who served in the past. I'm sure most of the former CSM members over the years would be happy to offer advice if asked.
--WIS/Incarna/Ambulation where microtransactions come to play, and uh bars.-- |
Manofwarr
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:21:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Why does it feel like the Republicans won?
Because things will start to get fixed.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Self Preservation Society the 2nd
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:25:00 -
[125]
Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: Jane Bennet
I'M TAKING MY BALL AND GOING HOME
Or, to quote Eric Cartman, "Screw you guys, I'm outta here."
In all due seriousness, I dislike the Goons, including the cutely named "Mittens", because I find their humor sophomoric and very much "Animal House", which I am not a fan of. It's not personal - I can't honestly say I even know anyone who is a Goon (or will admit it).
Honestly, I think the next year is going to be one of very little to no improvement in Eve due to the makeup of the CSM and the stigma that some of the players behind the characters carry with the player base.
That said, I hope I'm wrong. I hope this CSM moves the game forward - but I can't help being reminded of the last time we wound up with a self acknowledged troll on the council. (Larkonisgate anyone?)
At any rate, good luck to the CSM - and if you're an alternate, please, for the love of God, keep your passport current. You might need it.
--Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Self Preservation Society the 2nd
Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:27:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Manofwarr
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Why does it feel like the Republicans won?
Because things will start to get fixed.
Really? How's the search for those weapons of mass destruction coming?
Please - the American political system is so hopelessly broken at this point, they can't even come up with a budget to keep the government from closing. Both the Democrats and the Republicans should, frankly, be ashamed of themselves.
--Vel
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
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Manofwarr
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:29:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Ankerr Feranniss
Congratulations to some of the elected (the ones elected by real players)!
It's quite a sad day to see the CSM so thoroughly exploited by the metagaming coalition, by the alliance who invented some of the worst things in game, and to have as a chairman one of the most devious players in the whole game.
Anyway he has always said he likes to scam and spy and to turncoat, so hats off to the (few) real players who actually voted for someone who will devote his whole time to ruin their day, and mock them while doing so
Gee I didn't know Goons did EVE programming? Goons found ways to EXPLOIT existing game mechanics before/better than others. If you don't like the way some of the mechanics work blame CCP it is their game after all.
And if you are dumb enough to fall for a scam, well not much hope for you anyway in life or EVE. Remember if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
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Ntrails
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:40:00 -
[128]
I am sickened by the fact that 0.0 alliances - the only coherent and decently organised powerblocs - had failed for the previous CSMs to act according to their weight of numbers.
Democracy is defined by the people who vote. In exchange for his leadership, we got the mittani some free trips to iceland with his buddies. If you have a problem with that, simply get 2000 in game accounts to vote for you, if that is hard for you then I guess you need to re assess your position in the game.
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Cannig Tol
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:41:00 -
[129]
Heh. I personally bought 3 months of game time for each of my 8 accounts through the buddy-plex system. 32 votes for my guy at no extra cost to myself - since I would have spent that isk on game time in the long run.
(time value of isk not withstanding)
You too, can game the system. This time - we won.
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Manofwarr
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:50:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Jane Bennet
It's interesting the number of votes cast is split into a "30-250 day" age bracket. Why can't we see a "30-60 day" age bracket, to show how many PLEX were spent on buying votes? (buddy program + PLEX = 51-day old voters, normal free trial + PLEX = 44 day old voters).
Anyway, gz to Goons, you won EVE. My three accounts have been unsubscribed ("OMG HOW CAN YOU STILL POAST??!!?!" Well the paid subscription time hasn't run out yet), and probably won't open again. I paid to play EVE, not to play GOONs, to paraphrase an old Goon battlecry.
The most delicious of tears.....
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Manofwarr
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Posted - 2011.03.28 17:53:00 -
[131]
Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: Ponder Stuff
Simple answer.... Bring Down NC and the Goons with them......
Please? I'd like a good war right about now.
Absolutely. We haven't had much to do since kicking Evoke around and bringing down BOB II or IT or whatever they called themselves.
I fleet of horribly fit, ramshackle low/high sec pilots blundering their way around nullsec would be worth every isk I have just to watch....
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Jane Bennet
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:07:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Manofwarr
The most delicious of tears.....
It's not tears, simply acknowledgement of Goon victory. Grow up.
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Cannig Tol
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:17:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Jane Bennet
Grow up.
From the person cancelling their game accounts because an irrelevant player elected body was not dominated by people you like.
:irony:
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Jane Bennet
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:22:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Cannig Tol
From the person cancelling their game accounts because an irrelevant player elected body was not dominated by people you like.
That's not why I canceled my account. Next contestant!
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Kno Bodeesbitch
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:26:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Why does it feel like the Republicans won?
Ummmm...cuz you live under a rock?
The Mittani is a socialist....
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Cannig Tol
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:28:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Jane Bennet
Anyway, gz to Goons, you won EVE. My three accounts have been unsubscribed ("OMG HOW CAN YOU STILL POAST??!!?!" Well the paid subscription time hasn't run out yet), and probably won't open again. I paid to play EVE, not to play GOONs, to paraphrase an old Goon battlecry.
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Originally by: Jane Bennet
Originally by: Cannig Tol
From the person cancelling their game accounts because an irrelevant player elected body was not dominated by people you like.
That's not why I canceled my account. Next contestant!
heh
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:34:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Jane Bennet
Originally by: Cannig Tol
From the person cancelling their game accounts because an irrelevant player elected body was not dominated by people you like.
That's not why I canceled my account. Next contestant!
Why did you mention and put such emphasis on it?
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Cailais
Amarr
Neo-Tech Solutions
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:38:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Cannig Tol
This time - we won.
What exactly do you think you've won? I'm not sure it has as much value as you think it has.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Tollo Arfran
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Posted - 2011.03.28 18:49:00 -
[139]
CSM controlled by Mittani and the NC..... 
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Randem Salvo
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Posted - 2011.03.28 22:12:00 -
[140]
TEH GOONS SI BOOGEYMAN! HIDE UNDER UR BEDZ!
WOE IS MEEEEEEEEE.
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Skyrnor
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:43:00 -
[141]
SOMETHING AWFUL DOT COM
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Cannig Tol
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.28 23:47:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Cannig Tol
This time - we won.
What exactly do you think you've won? I'm not sure it has as much value as you think it has.
C.
We won an election? Sorry, was that unclear?
The election is of minimal value beyond letting 8 friends have a free trip to iceland to have a good time. I fear the people placing great value on the CSM seats are those running for the hills about the goon attack.
It was minimal hassle for us to vote as directed, and achieved something more important than the CSM seat - outrage and angryposting.
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Kno Bodeesbitch
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Posted - 2011.03.29 04:45:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Cannig Tol
We won an election? Sorry, was that unclear?
The election is of minimal value beyond letting 8 friends have a free trip to iceland to have a good time. I fear the people placing great value on the CSM seats are those running for the hills about the goon attack.
It was minimal hassle for us to vote as directed, and achieved something more important than the CSM seat - outrage and angryposting.
The thing I respect about the the "New Goons" is that they very often tell the truth. Starting with The Mittani informing the voters they were a "bunch of suckers". By voting him in you show you are.
Here is another Goon telling you straight up that they are here to cheapen your Eve experience. Congrats to the Goons on another "Winning Eve" moment.
By appealing to the lowest common denominator you have risen to the top of the food chain. Genious.
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Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.29 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to everyone who ran!
This is certainly going to be an interesting CSM...
Meissa, CSM 2, 3, 4, 5... and 6! \o/
Congrats Meissa Anunthiel, seems people like a balanced representative. I am glad to be one of the 2,086 who voted for you.
Aside from the congratulations, what are your thoughts on this blog: Linkage
Do you think they will accomplish the stated goals?
What is the basis for your answer?
Do you generally think this is a positive or negative move in terms of nullsec?
Do you think such a change is balanced?
What do you think of the playerbase's reaction to the blog?
Is there anything you would like to add to such changes?
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Dalketh
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Posted - 2011.03.29 06:30:00 -
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This is exactly what the problem is with the new CSM... Goons 'directed' to vote.... ordered in other words. Sorry I understand people winning by number of votes, but when a faction has thousands of votes to 'direct', it is not representative of eve as a whole. No - not crying or giving tears, but it is a sad thing. It makes it a farce. I supported the last CSM and thought they did well. This one is growing pains that CCP should take a lesson from at the best.
Originally by: Cannig Tol
It was minimal hassle for us to vote as directed
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Kireiina
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Posted - 2011.03.29 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kireiina on 29/03/2011 07:07:14
You have a serious misunderstanding if you think an "executive order" will have goons acting in lockstep or against their own interests. If they voted for Mittani / Vile Rat (I did) it's because they believe that those are capable people.
If you think they're going to turn the game into some "goon playground" then you have a critical misunderstanding in how limited the power of the CSM is. Go and read the Mittani's election thread where he *tells* you this.
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Dibble Dabble
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Posted - 2011.03.29 11:18:00 -
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Once again the alliances win Eve. The CSM is a joke voted for by lemmings and a wealth of new accounts only a month old, paid for by the very same alliances. How odd.
Thankfully this CSM will achieve as much as the other CSM's. F**K ALL.
Until CCP open up and show details of voting profiles (age of account v who they voted for) then most will simply view the election as "rigged" and it will continue to lack any form of credabilty. CCP simply dont have the b**ls to create an open election as they have the alliances firmly in their pocket.
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 14:51:00 -
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Edited by: Fuujin on 29/03/2011 14:52:06
Originally by: Dibble Dabble
Once again the alliances win Eve. The CSM is a joke voted for by lemmings and a wealth of new accounts only a month old, paid for by the very same alliances. How odd.
Thankfully this CSM will achieve as much as the other CSM's. F**K ALL.
Until CCP open up and show details of voting profiles (age of account v who they voted for) then most will simply view the election as "rigged" and it will continue to lack any form of credabilty. CCP simply dont have the b**ls to create an open election as they have the alliances firmly in their pocket.
I'll humor you and run with your paranoid delusion that nulsec alliances sunk trillions into PLEX to create a few thousand voting accounts. Yet even if this is true, if even a tenth of the other 300,000 accounts had actually bothered to vote those trillions would have gone to waste. People even got prompted to do so on the login splash screen, in the "newsbar" to the right of the character selection, and on the eve website itself--ignorance of the election is not a credible excuse.
Your claims of overpowering nulsec votes frankly fall flat. If there is an overpowering force in the CSM elections it's voter apathy and laziness.
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Cannig Tol
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dalketh
This is exactly what the problem is with the new CSM... Goons 'directed' to vote.... ordered in other words. Sorry I understand people winning by number of votes, but when a faction has thousands of votes to 'direct', it is not representative of eve as a whole.
0.0 playerbase as a group puts by far the most effort and energy into this game, in the form of diplomacy and logistics, and in the form of assets at risk, metagaming and newsworthy events. Given that, it is inevitable that the immense communication structures, in and out of game, will be put to use in this and all future CSM elections.
Nothing stops you from mobilizing thousands of empire dwellers, beyond their insular communities and disinterest in the CSM. Many of those don't read these forums, or the devblogs. Rather than worry about our ability to block vote, focus on communication with the people who would gain a lot by being involved in eve outside of the actual game itself. Who knows, maybe eve would benefit too?
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.03.29 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Manofwarr
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Why does it feel like the Republicans won?
Because things will start to get fixed.
Yeah like they ran those anom changes across the CSM.....hmm no reports of them in any of their notes.....
Nothing will be fixed, or at least nothing the player's want fixed. The CSM is just a PR move and always was, they have no say in the game, pretty blogs to the contrary don't make it true.
Its the same as it was in SWG, The Senate was told one thing, heck half the devs were kept in the dark about certain projects and then they just did whatever they wanted. It is why it died, and CCP would do well to learn from the past before they repeat it.
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.03.29 17:32:00 -
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BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i Elzon1 /i hr height=1 noshade BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i Meissa Anunthiel /i hr height=1 noshade Congratulations to the winners, and thanks to everyone who ran! br br This is certainly going to be an interesting CSM... br br Meissa, CSM 2, 3, 4, 5... and 6! \o/ hr height=1 noshade /font /BLOCKQUOTE br br Congrats Meissa Anunthiel, seems people like a balanced representative. I am glad to be one of the 2,086 who voted for you. br br Aside from the congratulations, what are your thoughts on this blog: a href= http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=883 target= _blank http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=883 /a Linkage
Do you think they will accomplish the stated goals?
What is the basis for your answer?
Do you generally think this is a positive or negative move in terms of nullsec?
Do you think such a change is balanced?
What do you think of the playerbase's reaction to the blog?
Is there anything you would like to add to such changes?
I think the underlying objectives of that proposed change go in the desired direction.
Namely, after the implementation of sov upgrades, all systems became "equal" except for ease of logistic and, to a degree, moon value (this still being the one and only deciding factor for alliance placement, as opposed to player placement). Wanting the "good stuff" is one of the conflict drivers. Obviously the downsides is that some systems are therefore worse off...
Making the systems have different intrinsic values gives people something to fight over, but I would have preferred something that wasn't tied to a system's truesec however, mostly because that system has been the basis of people settling this way or that for a long long time, it being the basis for rat value and ore availability already and there's going to be little "new conflicts" generated over this, just a continuation of the old ones. Especially considering the income value from rats & ore is insignificant for an alliance.
In addition to which, the potential for revenue of some regions (providence, syndicate, etc.) who have less "good" truesec systems than others (delve) got seriously nerfed.
The change fails to recognize one thing though, ratting and mining are means of income for individuals, not alliances. So other things have to change to accomplish the desired effect.
I disagree with 2 assertions made in the devblog:
Originally by: devblog
# Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec
# Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
The major downsides to newer alliances settling in 0.0 is not system unavailability, it's that conflicts tend to escalate in size systematically, that there is little needs for "coverage" by small alliances around bigger ones (before moving was as easy as it is now, it was useful to have smaller entities guarding your entrances, so to speak), and strong logistic needs to settling in 0.0 (production in 0.0 is difficult, so equipment has to be ferried from empire) and gathering resources locally is a pain.
The 2nd point (lower truesec being inconveniently placed) is not an issue at all with the current movement abilities at all. For that to become a factor, mobility has to change.
Still, despite the downsides, I believe this change is for the better in its general direction.
If you had asked me, I'd have gone with "comet farming" or some new form of active revenue streams to differentiate the systems.
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http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa/
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 18:18:00 -
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Other than our differing opinions on how "easy" it is to move in 0.0, that was a good post.
Carry on.
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Meissa Anunthiel
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Posted - 2011.03.29 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Other than our differing opinions on how "easy" it is to move in 0.0, that was a good post.
Carry on.
Thanks :-)
I'll keep having this opinion until I have evidence to the contrary. From experience, thought, discussion and further reading, moving things in 0.0 fast is not a question of game mechanics, but organisation (and that part I agree is difficult). Once that is solved, moving things fast and far is, in my opinion, easy.
I'm sure we'll have that conversation with CCP again.
For the record, as I have expressed in many different venues, I believe any change to mobility is insufficient in and of itself in accomplishing the results it aims to achieve, but that message gets drowned in the rage...
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Member of CSM 2, 3, 4, 5. Running for CSM 6
http://www.rooksandkings.com/meissa/
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EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.29 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Other than our differing opinions on how "easy" it is to move in 0.0, that was a good post.
Carry on.
Thanks :-)
I'll keep having this opinion until I have evidence to the contrary. From experience, thought, discussion and further reading, moving things in 0.0 fast is not a question of game mechanics, but organisation (and that part I agree is difficult). Once that is solved, moving things fast and far is, in my opinion, easy.
I'm sure we'll have that conversation with CCP again.
For the record, as I have expressed in many different venues, I believe any change to mobility is insufficient in and of itself in accomplishing the results it aims to achieve, but that message gets drowned in the rage...
Yes, it becomes easy, but it takes a core team of people and a lot of isk to keep those bridges up and the burn out rate is pretty high.
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crymyname
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Posted - 2011.03.29 21:01:00 -
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i find it very strange that theres no russian/polish and such.. and there are a lot of yanks ..
seems as tho there taking over everything but hey if they wernt there they'd just come in and take it anyway ...
woops no oil in eve so they should have stayed away...
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Cailais
Amarr
Neo-Tech Solutions
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Posted - 2011.03.29 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cannig Tol
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Cannig Tol
This time - we won.
What exactly do you think you've won? I'm not sure it has as much value as you think it has.
C.
We won an election? Sorry, was that unclear?
The election is of minimal value beyond letting 8 friends have a free trip to iceland to have a good time. I fear the people placing great value on the CSM seats are those running for the hills about the goon attack.
It was minimal hassle for us to vote as directed, and achieved something more important than the CSM seat - outrage and angryposting.
You seem angry. Would you like to talk about it?
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Killitt
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Posted - 2011.03.30 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Killitt on 30/03/2011 04:03:06
Edited by: Killitt on 30/03/2011 04:01:41
You idiots finally get a real lawyer.....with actual negociational skills to head up CSM...and now you want to role play...as if his in game persona is him........
After reading some of his articles on ten ton....among other things, I think he will be a great spokesman for the eve players. Some of you guys need to seriously wash the sand out of your vagoos.
Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.
Grats to all that won.
Edit:.......smart phone fails
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XelNa
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Posted - 2011.03.30 06:50:00 -
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Grats to all the winners! The one i voted for is on there :).. Hopefully someday I will have the chance to be voted upon too.. Again Congratulations and make us proud!
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Delta2003
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:15:00 -
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Congratulations. Perhaps NOW we will see a great improvement in the quality of CSM under The Chairman addressing underlying problems with the existing Eve before we march off into the next galaxy with all this glitz and glamour blinding us.
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Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.30 12:58:00 -
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Over the course of the CSMs, it's been the goon representatives who have been the most persuasive and successful at effecting changes in CCP's development priorities. The CSM does do things, but it takes literally a calendar year for the stuff we discuss to be implemented, because when we sit down with CCP we're talking about the NEXT development cycle, which sucks, I know. I did my best during my terms as CSM to impress upon CCP that a year is a hilariously long time to have to deal with bad game mechanics, and many subscribers won't wait that long.
In any event, you won't see it any time soon but I have no doubts that this CSM has the highest potential of any previous CSMs. Thanks in part to my 2 CSMs, 3 and 4, which spent a lot of time just making the CSM itself more effective, id est elevating the CSM to stakeholder status. That's not something that's really visible to the playerbase, but it helps the following CSMs actually do something.
So what happens with this newfound stakeholder status? We ended up CSM5, which was filled with ineffective scrublords. Fortunately for everyone the new CSM6 has more intelligent, effective, and outspoken players than ever before. I have no doubts this one will be the best yet.
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Fuujin
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.30 14:26:00 -
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Originally by: Zastrow
Over the course of the CSMs, it's been the goon representatives who have been the most persuasive and successful at effecting changes in CCP's development priorities. The CSM does do things, but it takes literally a calendar year for the stuff we discuss to be implemented, because when we sit down with CCP we're talking about the NEXT development cycle, which sucks, I know. I did my best during my terms as CSM to impress upon CCP that a year is a hilariously long time to have to deal with bad game mechanics, and many subscribers won't wait that long.
In any event, you won't see it any time soon but I have no doubts that this CSM has the highest potential of any previous CSMs. Thanks in part to my 2 CSMs, 3 and 4, which spent a lot of time just making the CSM itself more effective, id est elevating the CSM to stakeholder status. That's not something that's really visible to the playerbase, but it helps the following CSMs actually do something.
So what happens with this newfound stakeholder status? We ended up CSM5, which was filled with ineffective scrublords. Fortunately for everyone the new CSM6 has more intelligent, effective, and outspoken players than ever before. I have no doubts this one will be the best yet.
But the Prioritization Crowdsourcing, man. Crowdsourcing.
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Pierre Baker
Caldari
EvoGame Holdings
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Posted - 2011.03.30 22:46:00 -
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are the voting links still up so we can go back and look at what they said to get peoples votes? The guy I voted for (whose interest was mostly in rp) unsurprisingly didn't get elected. But would like to see what issues the community felt were most important (not that I expect I will agree)
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Arkon Mar
Caldari
Tau Draconus Corp
Interstellar Commerce Commission
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Posted - 2011.04.01 00:39:00 -
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what is a CSM? what do they do? why do they do it? who is my CSM rep? can they do anything about the fail 0.0 policies? if not then what is their function?
when is ccp going to do something about all the bots that arent mining bots?
Can the CSM do anything about them? seems to me that allowing these major alliances to vote their people into positions of power in this game is like allowing the fox to guard the hen house...
fail fail fail
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Sp3tre ClonEr
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Posted - 2011.04.05 02:11:00 -
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So goons have all the tech moons, some of the best space in game for sanctums, control over the csm and a ex alliance leader as a CCP Dev in charge of security.
Well done goons you certainly do win Eve
On a less bitter note, GL and lets hope you guys continue the good work from the last CSM.
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