Someone is mad he can't catch ratters. trolololo

CCP, why U implement a local improvement, when all people consider local as OP.

You first introduced compact view of local which devastated hunting possibilities in many ratting systems, now you BOOSTED the local again over the top and introduced even BLINKING for half-awake people so you cant catch even these anymore!

WHY THE F*CK IS THAT? WHY DO YOU MAKE 0.0 MORE AND MORE SAFE?????????????????
WHO ASKED FOR THIS SH*T!?

goon scum should stay away from this.

scum, fukc off

look at all the goon scum posting in this thread.

I wanna see that null sec alliance that wants to get rid of local in 0.0.

I wanna see that null sec alliance that wants to get rid of local in 0.0.

who asked for that?

when all people consider local as OP.

NPC alts should stay away from posting, forever.

Local only blinks when you hover your mouse over it when ppl join/leave. And tbh I haven't really found any use for that except it looks... weird. Just keeping an eye at the number in local has the same effect imo

oh god this **** again. cry moar OP.

Ahhh Wormholes <3

dunno how related WH are to this issue. Tell me more about it.

Local, WH... hello?

It is a poor craftsman who blames his tools for his failures.

Suck it up cupcake.

Ahhh Wormholes <3

so WHAT is exactly here about WH? This thread was about 0.0 local, not WH at all.

Lol Srsly?

I believe Alice Saki was expressing her appreciation of wormholes being free of excuses for not being able to catch ratters. And I happen to agree with her even though I don't live in Wh nor hunt ratters.

yes seriously, please tell me how WH local is affected by or affects changes implemented for 0.0 local.

You really think local blinks only in null? Oh boy...

You really think local blinks only in null? Oh boy...

are you rrtarded? What does that f***king care where it does blink apart of 0.0? Its meaningless, the point is it DOES IN 0.0, which is one of the changes which improved already too powerful local as intel.

Don't you just love the irony.

Null sec residences complaining about High sec getting safer but arguing for features that are making Null safer.

Null Bears really are the super Carebears.

L4 are by far not as profitable as farming anomalies in zero (in (super)carrier), so bad argument.

And btw., havent you been told multiple times to get the **** out here you piece of goon ****?

L4 are by far not as profitable as farming anomalies in zero (in (super)carrier), so bad argument.
And btw., havent you been told multiple times to get the **** out here you piece of goon ****?

comparing L4s to running anoms in carriers/supers is also a bad argument

CCP, why U implement a local improvement, when all people consider local as OP.

You first introduced compact view of local which devastated hunting possibilities in many ratting systems, now you BOOSTED the local again over the top and introduced even BLINKING for half-awake people so you cant catch even these anymore!

WHY THE F*CK IS THAT? WHY DO YOU MAKE 0.0 MORE AND MORE SAFE?????????????????
WHO ASKED FOR THIS SH*T!?

As we've pointed out before, you can't remove local from nullsec because like it or not, 0.0 is not w-space. If you removed local from nullsec it would quickly get so dangerous to do any kind of PVE that nobody would do it at all. Black ops fleets would be extremely overpowered.

2) missions do require much more effort

3) the rewards are the half or even less of them you get in zero

As we've pointed out before, you can't remove local from nullsec because like it or not, 0.0 is not w-space. If you removed local from nullsec it would quickly get so dangerous to do any kind of PVE that nobody would do it at all. Black ops fleets would be extremely overpowered.

are you stupid? Or simply try to derail this issue into nonsense for cheap? Noone asked for removal of 0.0 but argued about unneccessary boost of already too powerful local tool, which would rather require a nerf (for stupids: NOT REMOVAL) - no multiple buffs!


this only works for smaller pets, if a NAP reaches certain size, they simply jump out via jump bridge to an empty system and go on farming as usual. Apart of that, its a sad thing we need afk cloakers for killing stuff - this indicates very clearly how broken zero is at the moment.

Imo make nullsec a constellation-wide chat only. Highsec can have their perfect, system level local. Null has constellation. Wspace is wspace, where the manly men live.

Imo make nullsec a constellation-wide chat only. Highsec can have their perfect, system level local. Null has constellation. Wspace is wspace, where the manly men live.

Tell us more about how much more effort missions require than doing anoms while staying safe in nullsec. And tell us about how you can be interrupted while in hisec, which you obviously can't in nullsec. :allears:

And the effort required to do them, while staying safe, is higher. The higher effort, combined with the higher risk (perceived or real, it matters none) and the time spent doing nothing because a roaming gang is either running through (or setting up camp) in your system, means that the effort/reward formula looks a lot better for L4s than you give them credit for.

And, of course, now there's the whole "park an unarmed speedtanking frigate in the FW plexes and literally **** money for no risk or effort" mechanic as well.

If you sit in a pimped ship, you get suicided.

Yeah, the manly men who do all their PVE in cosmic signatures, have the safety of mass limitations and constantly moving entrances and exits, and never ever have to contend with the possibility of being hot dropped.

CCP, why U implement a local improvement, when all people consider local as OP.

You first introduced compact view of local which devastated hunting possibilities in many ratting systems, now you BOOSTED the local again over the top and introduced even BLINKING for half-awake people so you cant catch even these anymore!

WHY THE F*CK IS THAT? WHY DO YOU MAKE 0.0 MORE AND MORE SAFE?????????????????
WHO ASKED FOR THIS SH*T!?

missions: accepting mission, undocking, leaving system for mission spot sometimes, completing mission objectives which are different any time, return to agent, turn in mission.

If you sit in a pimped ship, you get suicided.

compared to anoms:
warp into anom, shoot all rats, warp into next anom. Rince and repeat. Keep eye on local, safe up on neutral in local.

this isnt about FW or high sec, its about null being too safe for what it used to be. If you stay awake while ratting you wont ever die.

Revert all local changes done recently, remove compact local view, remove blinking and on top of that add a slight delay to local of 5 seconds or something, making you appear in local really when you are there with loaded grid, not earlier. This is all which I personally would ask for.

constellation chat instead of local is indeed a very good concept.

It's cute that you think moving entrances somehow makes us safer, or that the mass limit make us safe (might be true for babby class wormholes, but no one talks about those). In general though, we're not the ones with an immediate, infallible intel tool telling us exactly who is potentially up to something in our neck of the woods.

Please don't take my comments as an attack on all nullsec players though, it's the nullbears who are the target of my derision. They are seriously worse than hisec bears.

PVE is always done in sites that need to be probed out (and therefore dscan will point out any probes that might be leading someone to you)

and that you never have to contend with the possibility of being hotdropped

Oh, I might add, your PVE is done in fleets with ships that are typically better fit for PVP than nullsec

And compare that to hisec: if you don't fly a pimped ship, you won't ever die.

and that you never have to contend with the possibility of being hotdropped..

Oh, I might add, your PVE is done in fleets with ships that are typically better fit for PVP than nullsec.

you CANT be hotdropped too, since there is noone ratting the second before a potential cyno dude enters the system.

so which game mechanic exactly prevents you from doing the same?

Believe it or not your attention can waver after ratting for several hours. Or my system might be secure enough that I don't feel like docking/POSing up whenever I go to the bathroom or grab a drink. Not paying attention, for whatever reason, is what gets ratters killed. I see no problem with this.

The chances of my PVP being on the receiving end of a hot drop makes fitting for PVP kind of moot. I'd still lose my ship either way. By the time my ship is pointed and the cyno's lit, it's pretty much too late to do anything.

im all right with this, never moaned about this much actually before CCP started to consequently improve local, which in my experience rapidly lowered my chances of catching something. This is my issue. there was no need for any local buffs.

there you go. In first sentence pvp fitted ships were your argument why WH bears live safer than zero bears, in the second sentence you nullified your own argument because it didnt make sense for you personally at all.

yeah, thats fine then, its high sec after all so secure up to some point.

My point was you can pimp your ship in zero for whatever ISK you wanna spend, while the safety threshold for pimping n high sec is very low (tengus being suicided for 4 CN ballistics).

you CANT be hotdropped too, since there is noone ratting the second before a potential cyno dude enters the system.

Local hasn't really been buffed. I really don't care about the blinking crap (it's annoying and I don't think it's helpful) but why should I be forced to look at thumbnails of everybody's portrait in local? It's a usability issue, not a local intel buff. Local shows exactly the same information as it did before.

many people play on small monitors maybe, which didnt allow local to show everyone in expanded view because of its sheer size. This has been changed significantly, which is clearly a buff, because suddenly you can view the double amount of people at one glance, which means the difference in some systems for spotting neutrals without scrolling local window. For blinking as well, someone will probably be using as extended warning mechanism -> more safety again.
Anyways, if both changes were no buff, then why have they been implemented? We could revert these changes without any safety loss, no?

there are chat channels other than local just f y i

perhaps the collapsible userlists and flashy thing are meant for the chat UI overall, not necessarily just local

So what I got from your post was, nerf high resolution monitors.

more strawman pls

I dont know why you are bringing up high sec and FW all the time into a discussion about null sec. This is pretty irrelevant, this thread is not about high sec, nor it is about FW. Its is about constant safing up null sec.

Its not about how unsafe high sec is but about how safe null is. You can pimp the heck of your ratting boat, you wont get killed by anyone as long as you stay conscious.

you dont need to be an autistic freak for monitoring intel. local changes are very visible as long as the local lies in peripheral vision of your gaming view (which is usually the case). Even more if it is blinking and displays ALL people in local not just subset of them like it was sometimes before certain local buff.

how many goon supers died to hotdrops over last 6 months?

Local only blinks when you hover your mouse over it when ppl join/leave. And tbh I haven't really found any use for that except it looks... weird. Just keeping an eye at the number in local has the same effect imo

Learn to awox.

Thread closed.

Why so mad? Does the truth hurt, NPC alt guy?

CCP, why U implement a local improvement, when all people consider local as OP.

You first introduced compact view of local which devastated hunting possibilities in many ratting systems, now you BOOSTED the local again over the top and introduced even BLINKING for half-awake people so you cant catch even these anymore!

WHY THE F*CK IS THAT? WHY DO YOU MAKE 0.0 MORE AND MORE SAFE?????????????????
WHO ASKED FOR THIS SH*T!?