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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:33:00 -
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One of the fanfest vids mentioned that the graphics devs are all "wtf" about people having silhouettes still for their portraits. As a silhouette, let me tell you why. All my characters that I don't care about have portraits. This is my main, and am keeping it a silhouette. The original reason I procrastinated was because of the abysmal content on launch. There was no way to communicate the feeling of my old portrait to my new one. I did not trust CCP to NOT charge $ for future portrait updates, and planned on waiting until the last second so I would get the options that the early lemmings would have to pay $ for. That doesn't appear to be the case, but I still don't trust that it will be. And there's still the issue where the only visual options are now "grotesque troll" "military wannabe" or "politician." There are no portrait options that I can care about. And on top of that, the half-assed lighting options make all portraits look like they were taken by a discount photographer in the mall.
Another thing, I prefer to see silhouettes in other people. I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album, I don't want to see that crap on local, especially at the cost of performance. I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes. Give us options on when we load and don't load portraits, and so many of us will be so much happier about them. Instead of giving us more options, the few options we had were taken away which is completely offensive.
So, that's my whine thread CCP. Portrait updates reduced player options instead of expanding them, and thus was a bad expansion.
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Carter Arbosa
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:38:00 -
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Have you seen how many different portraits exist now? You are factually wrong, new portraits introduced more variety. They are also going to introduce back hats and tattoos so problem solved if you are missing those.
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Nemesis Factor
Caldari
Telanus' Reach
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:44:00 -
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Go back and read the dev blog about tatoos and piercings. It was already confirmed that you will be able to re customize your portrait whenever you want except for bone structure and weight. And there will almost certainly be no changes or additions from here on that you won't be able to add later. If they DO start selling stuff you can be sure you won't have access to it unless you pay for it.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 18:57:00 -
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 Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I did not trust CCP to NOT charge $ for future portrait updates, and planned on waiting until the last second so I would get the options that the early lemmings would have to pay $ for. That doesn't appear to be the case, but I still don't trust that it will be.
OP displays critical lack of trust as well as extreme paranoia.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
And there's still the issue where the only visual options are now "grotesque troll" "military wannabe" or "politician." There are no portrait options that I can care about.
Here, OP displays a critical lack of imagination.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album, I don't want to see that crap on local, especially at the cost of performance.
OP displays obsessive tendancies and a lack of understanding of the reality of the situation (i.e. new portraits now load nigh-instantaneously and no longer lock up the game).
I searched for content in the OP and found none. But plenty of stuff projecting their personality flaws!
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TheLostPenguin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:03:00 -
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Edited by: TheLostPenguin on 27/03/2011 19:05:23
Ok that's a little harsh on the number of options perhaps, but certainly there's plenty of "looks" you could do before that are impossible now, whilst there's stuff you can do now that wasn't possible before I don't see why we couldn't have had a system that allowed all the new bits whilst also all the old permutations
Couldn't agree more tho on the sheer stupidity of the client now loading portraits at every possible oppurtunity, this was a dumb idea to start with and since CCP "are aware of the issue" on this it seems they prefer hurting users performance deliberately than changing one small bit of code back to what was used before, I don't NEED to see anyones pic in station guests/local, I don't often WANT to either, and certainly not when it's at the cost of performance as CCP desperately try to ram a shedload of images down my (occasionally narrow and clogged) interweb pipes.
We've had the devblog outlining some of the content they forgot to include at launch that's now coming SoonÖ, why not fix one of the other silly and easily fixable ****ups as well....
*edited stupid typos
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:04:00 -
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Edited by: mkmin on 27/03/2011 19:06:18
It's worth blocking portraits. People need more options.
I've posted before on how you can prevent client-side portrait loading by changing access options to the cache folder. EVE can't save portraits, game doesn't display them.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:07:00 -
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/forum whine
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:08:00 -
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Edited by: Teranul on 27/03/2011 19:08:37
Good lord, people actually care about the performance impact from loading tiny 64x64 .jpg images?!
It is official: EVE's player base is the most spoiled of any gaming population, ever. 
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I did not trust CCP to NOT charge $ for future portrait updates, and planned on waiting until the last second so I would get the options that the early lemmings would have to pay $ for. That doesn't appear to be the case, but I still don't trust that it will be.
OP displays critical lack of trust as well as extreme paranoia.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
And there's still the issue where the only visual options are now "grotesque troll" "military wannabe" or "politician." There are no portrait options that I can care about.
Here, OP displays a critical lack of imagination.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album, I don't want to see that crap on local, especially at the cost of performance.
OP displays obsessive tendancies and a lack of understanding of the reality of the situation (i.e. new portraits now load nigh-instantaneously and no longer lock up the game).
I searched for content in the OP and found none. But plenty of stuff projecting their personality flaws!
Are you telling me loading EVERY portrait is faster than loading NO portraits? Think very very carefully about that.
And yes, there are technically "lots" of options, except I figure having 20 different versions of "biker jacket and t-shirt" to be 1 option, not 20. I figure 2 hair styles ("douchebag" and "dreads") to not be worth updating my portrait for, and that's what the thread is about. I consider tats and piercings to be 1 choice ("biker wannabe.") Not worth updating my portrait for. The thread is about preferring a silhouette over a bunch of stuff that has the exact same feel as anything else, and nobody's convinced me it's worth doing, or not procrastinating until the last possible second.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Edited by: Teranul on 27/03/2011 19:08:37
Good lord, people actually care about the performance impact from loading tiny 64x64 .jpg images?!
It is official: EVE's player base is the most spoiled of any gaming population, ever.
If EVE didn't have such ****ty client-side rendering, no, it wouldn't be a problem. People turn off brackets in fleet fights, they reduce graphical options in the escape menu. The turn off sound, and everything else. Any option to trim the useless fat that lags the client and gives people a chance to lock my pod, the better.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Are you telling me loading EVERY portrait is faster than loading NO portraits? Think very very carefully about that.
Loading EVERY new portrait as a static image from the server is a lot faster than locally rendering all old portraits.
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mkmin
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Are you telling me loading EVERY portrait is faster than loading NO portraits? Think very very carefully about that.
Loading EVERY new portrait as a static image from the server is a lot faster than locally rendering all old portraits.
So what? What dumbass had "render all portraits" in the old system? Compare options that people actually used. New system is inarguably slower. Some highsec carebear forums trolls seem to think it doesn't matter, but anybody who actually undocks, or has a computer cheaper than their car will will care.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 19:26:47
Originally by: mkmin
Some highsec carebear forums trolls seem to think it doesn't matter, but anybody who actually undocks, or has a computer cheaper than their car will will care.
I don't have a car, so I guess by default mu PC is more expensive than my null car 
Also, portraits are loaded from a DIFFERENT machine than the one you get physical simulation data from.
Whatever scenario you concoct other than truly epic fleet fights can't be much worse than simply entering Jita.
And no, I don't see any noticeable performance drop in that case. Not from loading portraits anyway.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
tl;dr
You may as well just make your character. You will be forced to soon, anyways.
Further, when they add more things like glasses/hats/hoodies/clothes/etc, i will bet good isk that they will let you update your portrait again.
Infact, i'm willing to bet that shortly after (if not with) incarna, our portraits will be updated dynamically.
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:32:00 -
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1. Some people have silhouettes because they still can't complete character creation despite having capable ShaderModel 3.0 hardware.
2. There really needs to be an option to have the same portrait-loading functionality as before: click to load. One reason is usability: there are purposes of convenience and record-keeping that the old functionality served. Another reason is debugging and performance optimization: every little thing that can go wrong will go wrong for some people, and the more self-help tools they have the better.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:32:00 -
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Hilarious.
Utterly friggin' hilarious.
It's just... no. There is nothing worth arguing about here. It is all absurdity.
I mean... really? Look, if loading a handful of 64x64 jpg images lags your system up, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. The exact same problem as those who were screwed over by the game requiring SSE2 or shader model 3 support.
In other words, it's a personal problem and lambasting CCP for not catering to your extreme edge case is nothing more than sill narcissism.
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Cairn Bolete
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Terminal Insanity
i will bet good isk that they will let you update your portrait again.
Put your money away, it's a certainty.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
And yes, there are technically "lots" of options, except I figure having 20 different versions of "biker jacket and t-shirt" to be 1 option, not 20. I figure 2 hair styles ("douchebag" and "dreads") to not be worth updating my portrait for, and that's what the thread is about. I consider tats and piercings to be 1 choice ("biker wannabe.") Not worth updating my portrait for. The thread is about preferring a silhouette over a bunch of stuff that has the exact same feel as anything else, and nobody's convinced me it's worth doing, or not procrastinating until the last possible second.
See, again with the complete and utter lack of imagination.
Does my character scream "biker wannabe" to you? If so, you may want to get your eyes checked. 
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Mirabi Tiane
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:47:00 -
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Edited by: Mirabi Tiane on 27/03/2011 19:47:16
Originally by: Teranul
It would not hurt CCP to restore the click-to-load functionality. It would not hurt the game. It would not hurt players. If you can provide a good explanation of how those three statements are not true, go ahead.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy??
PLEASE give it.
I too am growing slightly weary of the "gritty" faces and mall rat photo booth funzies, not to speak of the cache photo file garbage heap after going to a market hub.
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Give us options on when we load and don't load portraits, and so many of us will be so much happier about them.
THIS.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Hilarious.
Utterly friggin' hilarious.
It's just... no. There is nothing worth arguing about here. It is all absurdity.
I mean... really? Look, if loading a handful of 64x64 jpg images lags your system up, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM. The exact same problem as those who were screwed over by the game requiring SSE2 or shader model 3 support.
In other words, it's a personal problem and lambasting CCP for not catering to your extreme edge case is nothing more than sill narcissism.
it does infact lag your system. I'm running a modern system, i can run Crysis 2 no problem. But, when a 500 man gang jumps through the gate, the game now sends 500 requests for images, downloads them, writes them to cache, and then loads them into video memory for display. It DOES cause lag and a huge, but temporary drop in framerate during situations like this.
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
And yes, there are technically "lots" of options, except I figure having 20 different versions of "biker jacket and t-shirt" to be 1 option, not 20. I figure 2 hair styles ("douchebag" and "dreads") to not be worth updating my portrait for, and that's what the thread is about. I consider tats and piercings to be 1 choice ("biker wannabe.") Not worth updating my portrait for. The thread is about preferring a silhouette over a bunch of stuff that has the exact same feel as anything else, and nobody's convinced me it's worth doing, or not procrastinating until the last possible second.
See, again with the complete and utter lack of imagination.
Does my character scream "biker wannabe" to you? If so, you may want to get your eyes checked.
Nah, but your portrait looks like something I wouldn't wish on an NPC (bland, same as everyone else, no emotion or personality, etc.) Definitely not something I'd consider worth putting in the effort to make myself look like. And that's the thing... having redone all my alts, they look kinda like the old ones (and I was going by feel rather than by what they actually look like), except with worse lighting, less interesting hair, and clothes bought from k-mart. But the alts I don't really care about, so I can commit them to looking bland and just like everybody else. Completely customizable lighting would cover about 60% of blandness, a more forgiving art director on the team would cover the other 40%.
Title of the thread is why I prefer a silhouette. It's for the minority that go with silhouettes to tell CCP why. Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 19:55:53
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy??PLEASE give it.
This is you:
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_32.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_64.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_256.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_512.jpg.
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
Hey, I'm content with how mine turned out to look like... eventually.
Granted, it took a few good hours and I'm still not completely happy with it, but, meh.
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
meh.
lol, gotta love that ringing endorsement of the char creator.
Silhouettes Untie!
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:11:00 -
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OP is not helping the CCP forum whine index go down
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Originally by: Akita T
meh.
lol, gotta love that ringing endorsement of the char creator.
Well, what can I say, I raged back in the day, I got over it.
Plus, I like the server-side rendering thing, so, overall, for me, it was a slight plus.
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.27 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Doh!
Should¦ve figured that one out myself. 
When I find out how to eve-mail my tigerblood, you¦ll be the first one to get some. 
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Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.`
Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Yours is pretty bad so no loss there
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♫ And you lose your Faction fits
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 27/03/2011 21:51:37
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 19:55:53
Originally by: ivar R'dhak
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy??PLEASE give it.
This is you:
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_32.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_64.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_256.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_512.jpg.
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
Hey, I'm content with how mine turned out to look like... eventually.
Granted, it took a few good hours and I'm still not completely happy with it, but, meh.
If this works... it is the best post of the day ^_^
I would prefer it though, if i could pre-load all of the avatars... or at least, pre-load all of the people who have active subscriptions or something
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:09:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 27/03/2011 22:12:22
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I would prefer it though, if i could pre-load all of the avatars... or at least, pre-load all of the people who have active subscriptions or something
You want to pre-load 600k++ character portraits ?
On second though, that's under 1 GB at 32x32...
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:17:00 -
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Well, pre-download them to cut down on the majority of the lag. And then gracefully load them into video memory, not all at once.
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Cailais
Amarr
Neo-Tech Solutions
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Another thing, I prefer to see silhouettes in other people. I walk away when someone breaks out their photo album...
O...K.....
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
Waitaminit! You can do that? They actually have a separate portrait server addy??PLEASE give it.
This is you:
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_32.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_64.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_256.jpg
and
http://image.eveonline.com/Character/1056822954_512.jpg.
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Nice one, this should almost become SOP for PvP settings.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.03.27 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mirabi Tiane
1. Some people have silhouettes because they still can't complete character creation despite having capable ShaderModel 3.0 hardware.
I think this is because the minimum requirements also include a higher pixel shader version. Some graphics cards support SM 3.0 but fail to meet this additional requirement. These, too, will no longer be able to run EVE in the near future, along with the older SM 2.0 cards.
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Blnukem 192
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.03.27 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Nah, but your portrait looks like something I wouldn't wish on an NPC (bland, same as everyone else, no emotion or personality, etc.) Definitely not something I'd consider worth putting in the effort to make myself look like...
Confirming my portrait has no emotion or personality. 
Originally by: CCP Navigator
This is really not worthy of a thread.
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Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2011.03.28 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Title of the thread is why I prefer a silhouette. It's for the minority that go with silhouettes to tell CCP why. Yeah, a majority think their samey portrait is special and awesome, but I don't, and I would wager I'm not alone.
*sound of crickets*
Actually they are not bad at all. I make character meshes, riggings, full skins, use PS, lightwave, poser etc.. game model exports, quality renders and all that. These characters are pretty much video game standard, not bad at all. You looking for high-quality for video games, you'll need to wait some years. I really don't think the "graphic devs" are all that concerned about some people not using them, as you put it. There are always going to be a handful of people trying to grab attention in some way. For others, it's just a non-issue why they do, or still that bug for others.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.03.28 01:05:00 -
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I'm lazy tbh.
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mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.28 01:22:00 -
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Wow, people will complain about anything...
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Menod Penter
Gallente
University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.03.28 01:23:00 -
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Hello and Good Day to All,
I know how the OP feels. I too, a famed pilot can't find the strength to create a portrait for myself.
I feel the creator does not allow for the proper recreation of my former self or a suitable new look that might reflect who I am. The clothing, and options are not suitable for a man of my statue. The options for the eyes and mouth are limited in such that I can't portray the depth of my soul and the abundance of my heart. But perhaps the biggest disappointment is in the hair styles. I once had beautiful long full locks of hair which are no longer a option. The closest style would be dreadlocks which just doesn't fit within my persona.
Let the Silhouettes Unite!
Have a Nice Day :)
Menod Penter - Mayor of Rens
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.28 03:11:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 28/03/2011 03:11:57
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
it does infact lag your system. I'm running a modern system, i can run Crysis 2 no problem. But, when a 500 man gang jumps through the gate, the game now sends 500 requests for images, downloads them, writes them to cache, and then loads them into video memory for display. It DOES cause lag and a huge, but temporary drop in framerate during situations like this.
It only loads the images needed for the current local list display ù if the amount of people in system is more than can be displayed in the list, it defers the retrieval of those images until you scroll down.
That said, yes: I want to get back the click-to-load functionality. I've given up on pretending that local is anything other than an intel tool, and as such, I want to have the full range of intel-sorting capabilities.
Oh, and you silhouettes: one day they'll just click the "randomize" button on you, and you'll end up having to pay to change that mess into something that looks reasonably saneà
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ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.03.28 03:28:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Teranul
It is official: EVE's player base is the most spoiled of any gaming population, ever.
Hush young asian boy!!
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.29 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 29/03/2011 11:22:38
Originally by: Akita T
Set image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 in the hosts file and... WINNING !!!
Side-effect : no portraits on forums either.
Tried it without the host file "nuke" but no luck.
My local firewall was set up to block the above IP and it didn¦t work. Figured out which IP the "exefile.exe" then connected to, downloading the pics and that worked for a while, but the sneaky bugger switched to another server.
Then the damn downtime jumped me. #**##*11! daylight savings time, I HATES IT!
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Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦
Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.`
Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2011.03.29 11:38:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
I blocked the portrait server on my computer, and am loving the silhouettes.
It's not what I want, but it sure is better than nothing. Triple face palm on me for not thinking of it myself.
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Obsidian Ruby
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Posted - 2011.03.31 10:26:00 -
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I too found the CC lacking in (old) content. This character went from crazy chick with awesome hair and red lighting to boring, plain jane mid 20s girl with no interesting features (Also, she looks like a biker chick for lack of better options). The changes currently on SiSi for the character creator give me hope for returning her to her former image, but my vherokior has no hope of returning to her former self any time soon unless CCP brings in clothing and hair options from the old CC.
Every time I log in while docked, my computer's load time has severly increased due to having to download the portraits. I would appreciate CCP fixing this problem, or at the very least, letting us choose to not load portraits instead of having to block the server from write access to parts of the game settings or similar
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Lubomir Penev
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.03.31 16:52:00 -
[45]
Still no proper Intaki haircut and clothes. Even on SiSi. I guess I'll redo my portrait if I ever comeback...
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Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.03.31 16:55:00 -
[46]
Can I save my portrait and come back to it yet? If not, I will keep waiting. I've spent hours trying to do a portrait only to have eve F*kcing crash in the middle of making portraits. You want me to do it well, once and quickly, sorry I am only able to pick 2.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.31 17:49:00 -
[47]
You know, you could have simply asked for the option to use a locally stored default portrait instead of the downloaded portraits... without all the silly condescension and attempts to justify it on an artistic level.
Of course, the thread is not nearly as much fun if the OP doesn't make an ass out of himself.
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.03.31 18:52:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Ranger 1
You know, you could have simply asked for the option to use a locally stored default portrait instead of the downloaded portraits... without all the silly condescension and attempts to justify it on an artistic level.
Of course, the thread is not nearly as much fun if the OP doesn't make an ass out of himself.
OP was a message to CCP. (I couldn't care less what you think.) At Fanfest a dev said the art team was sad/disappointed/whatever that people were choosing to stay silhouettes. As someone who can run the char creator fine (not awesome, but fine) I choose to stay a silhouette because I just can't get a character that falls outside an extremely narrow range of visual style. (looks like you went with douchebag-moustache, wannabe-soldier-haircut, trekkie politician jacket, with a lame "ooh, look at me, I've got a scary fiery background" if you want to play the troll game.) Besides the artistic reasons, I still don't trust CCP not to throw in a "microtransactions for non-lame portraits" even though they've claimed otherwise. With the CCP cavalcade of drama, year after year, expansion after expansion, summit after summit, I just don't have a lot of trust for CCP's word any more. Maybe I'm taking it a little seriously, but when it boils down to it, I see no value in updating my portrait, and I see positive value in remaining a silhouette.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:04:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Mkah Mvet
Originally by: Ranger 1
You know, you could have simply asked for the option to use a locally stored default portrait instead of the downloaded portraits... without all the silly condescension and attempts to justify it on an artistic level.
Of course, the thread is not nearly as much fun if the OP doesn't make an ass out of himself.
OP was a message to CCP. (I couldn't care less what you think.) At Fanfest a dev said the art team was sad/disappointed/whatever that people were choosing to stay silhouettes. As someone who can run the char creator fine (not awesome, but fine) I choose to stay a silhouette because I just can't get a character that falls outside an extremely narrow range of visual style. (looks like you went with douchebag-moustache, wannabe-soldier-haircut, trekkie politician jacket, with a lame "ooh, look at me, I've got a scary fiery background" if you want to play the troll game.) Besides the artistic reasons, I still don't trust CCP not to throw in a "microtransactions for non-lame portraits" even though they've claimed otherwise. With the CCP cavalcade of drama, year after year, expansion after expansion, summit after summit, I just don't have a lot of trust for CCP's word any more. Maybe I'm taking it a little seriously, but when it boils down to it, I see no value in updating my portrait, and I see positive value in remaining a silhouette.
Yeah, we got that the first time.
1: You can't figure out how to make a portrait you are happy with.
2: You believe there are also technical reasons why everyone should have the option to turn off auto loading them (touched on in later posts as an odd sort of additional justification).
3: You are a prima donna and a drama queen.
Thanks for reinforcing these points yet again.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:17:00 -
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/shrugs I did not bother on my alt mostly because so far I see literaly -0- from them that makes me care about how my person looks in game
yay this year I get to be locked in a room by myself and walk around a room I realy cant change
next year its going to be YAY thanks to moors law people with high end computer will be abl to interact with another person!
then the folowing year its going to be YAY we can have 4 people in a room!
then the following year its going to be 8 people
see why Im so bloody meh about the whole thing?
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Rouge Drone
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Posted - 2011.03.31 19:39:00 -
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Edited by: Rouge Drone on 31/03/2011 19:40:02
I am not making my portrait until female gallente clothing is rightfully see through and braless like it is in canon.
In all seriousness though, I find the new options to be extremely bland and sameish. The only difference between a gallente and a caldari is that gallente get a graphic t shirt as one of their options and caldari get sunglasses. The unique look of each subrace is gone and in most instances you can't even tell what race a person is by looking at their portrait.
There are also hardware issues. The character creater does not properly support older ATI graphics cards, making many features and options fail to render correctly. I can not see myself making a portrait until CCP prove that they're willing to continue supporting it after launch instead of dumping it like they did with cosmos, faction warfare, wormholes, planetary interaction and so forth. I don't want my persona to be associated with a visual representation which is half baked and half finished.
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Trojanman190
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.04.01 01:47:00 -
[52]
I have to agree with the OP... and I made a portrait. If it wasn't for the rediculously extreme camera angles a lot of players are using the vast majority of the portraits would look very very similar, and when I was creating my character I was pretty shocked at how hard it was to give it "feeling."
On the other hand, the only reason why we feel this way might be because we are actually paying attention to the portraits now because they will eventually represent us as we walk around stations and ship cabins... I don't think anyone actually care about the old portraits which is why no-one *****ed about them before. The technology is strong enough that people are actually paying attention now.
But seriously, please add more variety options before you have a bunch of clones bumping into each other in stations.
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FeralShadow
RipStar.
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.01 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: FeralShadow on 01/04/2011 01:51:14
Yeah well what about my guy. If he looks angry and ready to kill you, you're right!
Just gotta be tricksy.
of course I do kinda look like the guy above me. If only I could get a red cyborg eye on the left side.
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Mkah Mvet
WORDS IN THE HEART CANNOT BE TAKEN
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Posted - 2011.04.01 03:11:00 -
[54]
Originally by: FeralShadow
red cyborg eye
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. Well part of it anyway. Implants could be so easy to do... low poly models, simple textures, no need to morph or apply physics or transparencies. Spam us a bunch of simple implants to give some flavor or variety. Color them along racial lines (amarr = gold, minmatar = copper, etc).
Give us SOMETHING that challenges expectations. Take clothing options from real world cultures and make them into EVE style. African warrior styles, Hindu clothes, kimonos, even a grass skirt as long as it's adjusted to fit within the EVE visual styles, and challenges expectations. There's so much that could be done to add actual flavor instead of samey blandness that's not worth committing to. And don't even get me started on the 30 different versions of the same 3 hair styles.
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FeralShadow
RipStar.
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.01 04:27:00 -
[55]
You know, i really think this summer when Incarna finally comes out, customizing avatars will again be a high priority. For now... well... maybe not so much.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.04.01 04:32:00 -
[56]
I see a little silhouette of a man Scaramouche, scaramouche, will you do the fandango? Thunderbolts and lightning - very very frightening me Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo, Galileo Figaro - magnifico-o-o-o!!!
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Sharon Anne
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.01 05:34:00 -
[57]
silhouettes should be for trial accounts only. CCP if an account is active make it so you can only be able to play EVE after the portrait is taken. There! problem solved. Jeeze I should get payed for this.
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Steve Thomas
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.01 06:43:00 -
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ok let me spell out my problem with the whole carbon graphic upgrade to date
1) Incarna in general by CCPs own admition is (several years) late already. partly due to feature bloat but honestly more due to the fact that the developers were more interested in the next big shiney than actualy putting out a product that works for the players. IE buisness as usual for them
According to CCPs Fanfest there real plan is simple, just keep letting Moors law do all the work of making this pile of crap playable due to brute force.
Last year we got. . . character creation
this year we get. . . to make our characters move around a preprogramed path around a bascialy static and mostly empty envoroment thats basicaly a locked room. one per race. no you dont get to choose. Big fliping whooopdedo. I doubt anyone already here will use it after the first week but meh
Next year,(2012) thanks to moors law we will in theory probably be able to have a bit more furnature in the room, probably be able to move around it the way we want to, and probably be able to see 1 other "Avatar" be it an npc or whatever
By 2013 we will be able to see 3-4 npcs in our fully functional houseing
2014 I suspect that you will see around 8 npc/avatar modles able to function in the same enviroment.
2015 again thanks to moors law were now up to 16 actors
2017 32, so bascialy a small corp or NPC group can be in the same room.
2018 64 actors, this is, incidentaly, the bascialy the bare minimum number of Actors in mmos, but at this level you still have issues with croudes, but meh
(realise the reason why im being conservative is because currently theres no real "temporary" effects sutch as Weapons fire and special animations the animations they have showes are basic simple animations, (walking and poseing) none of the real headake makers sutch as running, danceing, or even some of the simpler active emotes)
so bascialy, just from moors law providing the Bruit Force, and NOT allowing for the inevitable Dev delay this is going to have, Im saying that at best your looking at 2017 or so before this becomes a actualy playable Mulltip player first person in spacestations useing carbon
only theres one weee problem with this
theres a second law at work that states that the Power needed to run computers doubles every 18 months.
by 2018 unless theres some freaky breakthroug in the laws of thermodynamics, materials, or computer technology, the PC needed to run the game at that level with need a 29.7 amp power supply in order to run. (and the processors by the way will be putting out around 12500 BTU. for comparison sake, a single houshold gase stovetop burner is around 7000 BTU up to a peak of around 12000-13000 for special burners.
UL will only "aprove" 12 amp power supplies in the US for any desktop computer.
meaning any computer capable of running Carbon in its current form at that level will need 2 12 amp powercords and an 6 amp power cord,
now if moors (and some other laws of computers) holds up, you will be able to get the power supply needed down to 12 amps . . . in another 7 years.
soo 2018 for Carbon to be usefull in a full up first person MMO, and 2025 or so before you can actualy pay it on something resembeling a modern PC with one powercord and not a freaking spaceheater/stovetop, and 2027/8 to be able to play a full up EVE-carbon mmo in a laptop that will not imitate a wafle maker on your lap.
Im not realy holding my breath.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.01 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Menod Penter
I feel the creator does not allow for the proper recreation of my former self or a suitable new look that might reflect who I am. The clothing, and options are not suitable for a man of my statue. The options for the eyes and mouth are limited in such that I can't portray the depth of my soul and the abundance of my heart. But perhaps the biggest disappointment is in the hair styles. I once had beautiful long full locks of hair which are no longer a option. The closest style would be dreadlocks which just doesn't fit within my persona.
Well I agree, not only are the devs disppointed with the players, there's also quite a few players that are disappointed with the (limited) new options. Not only do the new looks hardly resemble the old ones, the number of hairtsyles is even less than it used to be, be it that in the previous editor they were spread across the bloodlines. A lot of people picked races/bloodlines just for the unique hairstyle. Now we have only one eye style per bloodline. Limited hair and skin colours.
So I agree, we need far more options!
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Daspletor
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Posted - 2011.04.01 09:40:00 -
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I think it should be possible to adjust your portrait at any time - change pose and lighting at least, maybe hairstyle and clothes too.
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:02:00 -
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I get that the new character designer does remove the distinctive physical similarities that each given bloodline had with the old designer. But with the amount of gene flow that there'd be in New Eden, people are going to look less distinctive regardless of ancestry anyway. Other than the fact that the new character designer produces a far more realistic image, the greater homogenization of the characters' physical features makes RP sense. Having said that, the new character designer also gives you a lot more room to make subtle changes that the old system couldn't, therefore greatly increasing character diversity in terms of the finer details.
New character designer is definitely superior.
Originally by: Daspletor
I think it should be possible to adjust your portrait at any time - change pose and lighting at least, maybe hairstyle and clothes too.
It will be. It's already available on the test server. It's a station service.
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:19:00 -
[62]
OP has an ugly picture and is too ashamed to show it in public. But he's arrogant enough to blame everyone else for his own lack of imagination. Nothing new.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.01 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 01/04/2011 10:25:03
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
New character designer is definitely superior.
The quality is definitely a lot better, the options aren't. And I also think they could have tried to make the new version look a bit more like the old ones instead of a complete random overhaul. There's a lot of people not happy at all with their new bloodline looks.
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Daspletor
I think it should be possible to adjust your portrait at any time - change pose and lighting at least, maybe hairstyle and clothes too.
It will be. It's already available on the test server. It's a station service.
Yes that's a great feature! What I think could use a liitle work is that if you just change your clothes or makeup, you are forced to redo your picture as well, I think it should be made optional to change your pic.
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