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Ordo GArr	Posted - 2011.03.27 21:11:00 - [1] One of the major displays at fanfest was how cool all the new stuff getting put into eve looks. While graphics can be a major selling point for a game, the game still needs to be accessible to people using older hardware. One of the primary issues with any MMO is retaining a playerbase, and by constantly increasing the system requirements CCP is essentially saying that you require a cutting-edge system to run our game at a visually pleasurable framerate. This is not right. Additionally, many things in eve require people to run multiple instances of the game, and increasing requirements for running a single instance prevents this for many people. By constantly increasing the system requirements on EVE, CCP is effectively alienating people who don't want to/can't afford to upgrade to newer systems, and preventing new players from starting if their system can't run it. What I'm asking the CSM to do is to confront CCP about the ever increasing minimum system requirements in order to play their game. While I know nothing will come out of it due to the fact that CCP has already decided on a direction, it would be nice to at least get acknowledgement that this is a serious issue.
Vertisce Soritenshi O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.27 21:47:00 - [2] What a load of crap. If you can't afford to upgrade your system once every 10 or so years then you can't afford to play EvE. I have a PC I built 5 years ago for $300 that still runs EvE perfectly. I also have a $2500 gaming rig. The point is the requirements for EvE are minimal at best. Incarna might change that but that is your problem. The number of players running EvE on less than satisfactory gaming rigs is very few. There is no reason for CCP to destroy themselves by falling behind the times graphically just because of the few that are too cheap to upgrade. If CCP wants to stay relavant they have to keep improving the game in both graphics and gameplay. To do that you will have to upgrade. Why should everybody else suffer because you can't buy a new PC? And if you come back saying "graphics aren't everything and it's all about gameplay". You are wrong. If that were true we would still be playing MUD's and EvE would still look like ** and likely would not have the player base it does now and would not be making much money. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND!**
Corina's Bodyguard	Posted - 2011.03.27 22:07:00 - [3] You do realize that a new computer (ignoring hard drive (and OS), case, and monitor) that could play EVE on nearly full settings is less than $300.
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2011.03.27 22:49:00 - [4] Looking forward to the day when the minimum requirement is SM 5.0 / DX11 --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Arushia Nova Labs New Eden Research.	Posted - 2011.03.28 06:17:00 - [5] Supported, if only because CCP failed to provide adequate notice of the last 2 changes. No notice at all for requiring SSE2, and less than a month's notice for requiring SM3. Their upgrade offer with EVGA was then a kick in the teeth for players on AGP motherboards or laptops. CCP, your customers deserve better. New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.03.28 07:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Arushia Supported, if only because CCP failed to provide adequate notice of the last 2 changes. No notice at all for requiring SSE2, and less than a month's notice for requiring SM3. Their upgrade offer with EVGA was then a kick in the teeth for players on AGP motherboards or laptops. CCP, your customers deserve better. No notice on the SSE2, since no one uses computers that don't have the capability, so naturally the normal testing didn't encounter the problem. Seriously, the whineage about that was non-existant for a good reason. On the SM3 you are right, if by "less than a month's notice" you mean over 2 years notice. devblog1 laying out the plan>followup explaining why it wasn't adopted as planned. Another blog warning about the changes that was going to come in the second quarter of 2011. The latest blog was only to remind people about it and to announce the exact date of the change. The fact that you don't read devblogs and it became as a surprise to you can hardly be considered a failing of CCP.
Furb Killer Gallente	Posted - 2011.03.28 09:00:00 - [7] Quote: AGP motherboards Welcome to the 21st century, enjoy your stay.
Spin Spin Sugar	Posted - 2011.03.28 13:44:00 - [8] The minimum specs are already old old technology - I have a 5 year old laptop that can run things easily (on low settings). New rigs are not expensive (compare how often you use it to get an average cost) If people are unwilling or unable to upgrade such old technology - well, you have bigger issues to worry about. Eve is supposed to be a "premier" online game. It therefore needs to keep with modern technology.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2011.03.28 15:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Looking forward to the day when the minimum requirement is SM 5.0 / DX11 CCP showed off a DX10 Incarna client. I can't wait, my 6870 will love it. I have several pieces of hardware here and even the low end on-board HD3300 can run EVE on low. While I understand some people are poor and poverty is only getting worse and worse, there is a limit to how much developers should and can limit themselves. At some point in time they have to move forward. If you really don't have the money you don't even need to buy new. A second hand motherboard, CPU and video card that can run EVE doesn't cost much. If you can't afford that you shouldn't be playing EVE, you should stop grazing and go out on the streets and demonstrate against the corporatocracy who're bleeding us dry and turning humanity into their slaves. 1. Ggo to thezeitgeistmovement.com 2. Learn about the Venus Project and educate yourself 3. ??? 4. Profit (prepare for the inevitability of martial law, yes, it's coming)
Bagehi Association of Commonwealth Enterprises R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.03.28 16:54:00 - [10] Originally by: Ordo GArr Additionally, many things in eve require people to run multiple instances of the game, and increasing requirements for running a single instance prevents this for many people. Killing bot users one system at a time. I approve of cutting out support for ancient systems. This signature is useless, but it is red.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Self Preservation Society the 2nd Dead Terrorists	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Ordo GArr By constantly increasing the system requirements on EVE, CCP is effectively alienating people who don't want to/can't afford to upgrade to newer systems, and preventing new players from starting if their system can't run it. If they don't want to upgrade, they obviously don't want to play the game either. If they can't afford to upgrade to technology that's already four or five years old, then they need to take a hard look at their finances - a change of priorities may be in order. As for new players, they fall into one of the above categories - they will either choose to upgrade and play, or not. And as CCP's subscriber count keeps climbing, I'd say they're falling into the "Will Upgrade" category. --Vel Originally by: Blacksquirrel This is EVE. PVE can happen anywhere at anytime. Be prepared.
Kile Kitmoore	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:43:00 - [12] Let's not forget CCP wants customers to have multiple accounts and people want to run them on a single system. There are not many other MMO's where someone would want to run 3-5 clients so CCP needs to maintain a very lean client. Take away the ability to run multiple clients on a bloated client could hurt CCP's business.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation	Posted - 2011.03.28 17:52:00 - [13] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 28/03/2011 17:56:15 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 28/03/2011 17:54:52 While I agree with the "consensus" I do have to say this much. CCP is making a terrible mistake in making such moves. There's been an ever increasing "bloatware" affect when it comes to their client(s). Used to be I could run this game easily on my Macbook Pro.... now the damn thing pushes the core temps to 90C (wtf?).... used to never crack 75!!!! On the PC I should be able to run 2 Clients without flinching... well... should being the key word. With these "new and awesome changes" that changed once again. As proof in the pudding... I accidentally left EVE Online up and was playing other games and didn't even notice the hesitation in the slightest. When I launched 2 Clients... the system nearly crashed. Something's missing here! I'll say this much... while everyone assumes its easy to shell out 2 to 500 bucks for upgrades... I say eff you people. Seriously... I have bills to pay.... and a large stack of games to get too... EVE is not the center of my world... and I well not buy a single PC/Mac unit to just play EVE Online. They need to slow the progression down... and I mean WAY down. It's time they start concentrating on fixing the game glitches and bugs and less on improving things such as graphics. Again... I agree with the majority... the actual advancements have been forewarned and pre-announced. But I will not just sit here and call it par for the course when I can see very easily what the handwriting on the wall REALLY says. I love the game... but not enough to be forced into a major hardware upgrade. No Thanks... I'll pass on that one. My biggest pet peeve today is CCP favors the new accounts and the new subscribers... all the while completely ignoring us 2 to 5 Year pilots. Their "retention" focus is completely and utterly trashed these days. Hope they have enough money to advertise like hell... cause WE are their advertisers... and WE are the ones bringing people to the game. It's getting to the point where I have to nod and grin when talking about this game... I feel like I'm the one fooling myself here anymore. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Minerva Seraph Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.03.29 05:49:00 - [14] I agree insofar as the SSE2 requirement goes, it dropped with little notice. Players pay a subscription fee to access the game, and to add a major platform change to a .1 update because a third party library didn't compile with binary support for older systems is terrible form and if I were in CCP's position, I'd be screaming for a more elegant interm solution while providing the subscribers who help pay my bills at least a full month's notice that they'd better upgrade. It's unreasonable for people to expect never to need upgrades. It's also unreasonable for .1 releases to make sudden unannounced changes to their basic requirements. At the very least, players caught in the midst of this should have been offered a pro-rated refund rather than have their spaceships set adrift.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.03.29 17:48:00 - [15] Originally by: Drake Draconis Used to be I could run this game easily on my Macbook Pro.... now the damn thing pushes the core temps to 90C (wtf?).... used to never crack 75!!!! Macbooks have terrible GPU cooling and laptops often get very hot regardless. Quote: On the PC I should be able to run 2 Clients without flinching... well... should being the key word. With these "new and awesome changes" that changed once again. As proof in the pudding... I accidentally left EVE Online up and was playing other games and didn't even notice the hesitation in the slightest. When I launched 2 Clients... the system nearly crashed. An EVE client uses anywhere between 400-800mb of RAM, 2 will use 800-1600mb of RAM. This is a lot, especially for laptops and systems with modern OS' installed on them. Quote: I'll say this much... while everyone assumes its easy to shell out 2 to 500 bucks for upgrades... I say eff you people. Seriously... I have bills to pay.... and a large stack of games to get too... EVE is not the center of my world... and I well not buy a single PC/Mac unit to just play EVE Online. A Radeon 5770 costs <ú$100 and that'll play EVE at maximum at 1920x1080 for years Quote: They need to slow the progression down... and I mean WAY down. Its been very slow the progression Quote: It's time they start concentrating on fixing the game glitches and bugs and less on improving things such as graphics. A graphics team can work independently to a programming team and with CCP using an Agile software development method this is exactly what happens. And if you have ever tested even slightly complex software you'll know how difficult it is to fix bugs. Also bug report Quote: But I will not just sit here and call it par for the course when I can see very easily what the handwriting on the wall REALLY says. I love the game... but not enough to be forced into a major hardware upgrade. SSE2 was near 10 years old, CCP weren't asking you, the slow advancement of time was asking you to upgrade. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation	Posted - 2011.03.29 18:01:00 - [16] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 29/03/2011 18:01:45 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 29/03/2011 18:01:05 If your going to respond and pick apart my posts... read them. Otherwise go away and troll someone else. If you think I'm kidding... I'll start with your first bit of your post. You said Macbook Pros have terrible GPU cooling. Nice cop out. Read my post again... I said I USED to be able to run this game on my Macbook pro on cooler temperatures. I've been running eve on my Macbook pro for nearly over a Year. Think about that for a second before you open that mouth of yours again. Oh and by the way... I'm a Credentialed Apple Tech... I even have the tech manuals for repairing these things... even replaced the motherboard in a few as an Apple Care tech. wasn't for over heat either... although I'm surprised it don't happen very often Fact is my point stands... every time they add a new major package to the game... it jumps 10 to 15C. Guaranteed. I can play Portal... Half Life 2.... no problem. EVE? Don't even dare go there. Like I said... your obviously full of it. And that's just the first initial part of your iceberg of a troll. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com =========================
Dirk Decibel	Posted - 2011.03.29 18:41:00 - [17] They have been pushing it a bit hard lately I would agree, after Incarna releases I hope they will slow things down a notch or two. For some reason, one of the last updates about halved my framerate with AA enabled. Optimize much CCP? Having said that I can still run EVE at 80-100 FPS in full HD without AA on my overclocked Q9550 and Radeon 5770. Not really the most awesome hardware around, if this can run it on high quality (sans the AA) then a hell of a lot of older hardware should be able to run EVE too with some tweaked settings. My more than 3 year old laptop can still crank out 50-60 FPS with some lowered settings (which I don't even notice). Just for the fact that I think and hope they should slow done a bit after Incarna I'm going to support this one.
Yeep GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.30 12:09:00 - [18] Originally by: Drake Draconis I can play Portal... Half Life 2.... no problem. EVE? Don't even dare go there. Half Life 2 was released 7 years ago. PCI-E graphics started becoming the standard 6 years ago, roughly the same time SM3 cards were released. Why should a modern game run on your 6+ year old PC? Assuming you have a case/psu/monitor you can upgrade to the minimum spec for EvE for less than ú100. In those 6 years you'll have spent 6-10 times that amount on subscription fees. And if your answer to that is "abloobloo but I have a laptop" then you've hopefully learned an important lesson about gaming laptops. You don't see me complaining that my single core Atom netbook won't run EvE after they removed support for the classic client.
Lork Niffle Gallente External Hard Drive	Posted - 2011.03.30 17:25:00 - [19] This is what I say to people who have issues running EVE, EVE is 9 years old and has only recently been upgraded, other game engines like source, unreal etc are 5+ years old. You have to eventually get a new computer, whether it is eventual hardware failure or standard support being dropped, which is how computers got where they are today, to play the newest games. And with something like an MMO they do change over time. ------------------------------------- The system issues man.
King Rothgar Autocannons Anonymous	Posted - 2011.03.30 20:14:00 - [20] Eve's requirements are a joke, just like those of all other MMO's. MMO's are designed to be run on office computers, not high end gaming rigs. The updated system requirements don't change that, they just require a computer built sometime within the past 5-8 years. That's really not asking too much. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig.
Cassus Temon	Posted - 2011.03.31 00:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Arushia Supported, if only because CCP failed to provide adequate notice of the last 2 changes. No notice at all for requiring SSE2, and less than a month's notice for requiring SM3. Their upgrade offer with EVGA was then a kick in the teeth for players on AGP motherboards or laptops. CCP, your customers deserve better. CCP isn't really responsible; for what EVGA puts on the table. That being said, those cards are on the inexpensive side, mostly; and a new motherboard, which will support them, is less than a hundred dollars. About $50-$57 USD/CAD. It'll even last a few years, and be in keeping with most of your old hardware; depending on the board you get, and current system spec's. PCI-e is highly available. Here's some options: 1155 socket/DDR3 $60 1155 i3 $125 775 socket/DDR2 $60 775 socket/DDR3 $55 AM2/AM2+ AMD/1066 DDR2 $35 ..and I skipped 1156. A few changes can be pretty cheap; for a desktop PC. Can't help you much; on the laptop's, as the only ones I like, are >$1000 i.e: Sample of pure awesome
Swynet	Posted - 2011.03.31 01:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Looking forward to the day when the minimum requirement is SM 5.0 / DX11 This Would like the poor gameplay being improved but if I had to choose I'd rather like awesome graphics ________________________________________________ Originally by: Goose99 In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
Omara Otawan	Posted - 2011.03.31 05:46:00 - [23] Oh please, EVE is not really demanding on hardware... I've been running on lowest settings on a Athlon64 rig w/ 1G RAM (not because I have to, because I value frame rate above everything else) since I started playing. I dont even remember how old that thing is, just recently found out it must be really ancient when they dropped support for SSE2 incapable CPUs and it turned out it came out shortly after SSE2 did. Have been running two clients just fine until Incursion with it. Since my similarly ancient GPU burned out recently I was forced to pick up a new one for 90Ç (cheapest I could readily pick up over the weekend), and now running without everything on max settings seems like a waste. About 500Ç invested in hardware in the last 9 years was enough, I could have made that much by begging on the streets in that time without any problem...
Test Reports	Posted - 2011.03.31 09:40:00 - [24] Originally by: Drake Draconis Bullcrap Drake Draconis - proof that sometimes the primordial algae does indeed find it's way to a computer with an internet connection
Dograzor The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2011.03.31 10:55:00 - [25] Edited by: Dograzor on 31/03/2011 10:54:50 Solution: 1- buy a 300-400$ desktop PC. It will last for another few years. 2 - Dont use a Mac laptop for gaming. I have a macbook, and its perfomance is subpar due to lack of driver & design support. Macbooks are not made for gaming, you will be better off with a desktop. - "We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value"
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Zero taxes corps are easy to make	Posted - 2011.03.31 12:36:00 - [26] I totally get the ongoing childish need for eye candy. Imaginations have all but been destroyed by a constant multimedia blitz on all our senses. Anyway, rather than just keep on blindly increasing Eve's graphical technology and complexity, why not introduce a reason beyond fapping for doing it? Subsystem targetting, geological surveying, drill mining anything really. Some sort of mechanic that would actually need the graphics you keep pointlessly drawing and adding.
Varrik Kayne	Posted - 2011.03.31 16:44:00 - [27] What? Slow it down even more, cause you Don't want to upgrade? Or are too cheap to spend $80 for a graphics card upgrade? Really? Seriously, just how ancient is you PC? I'm sure the Myan's had better tech. Seriously though, you must be doing it wrong, cause I use only a dual core 2.7 ghz w/ an old 500 mb ram graphics card and can run 3 clients on a dual monitor... Pretty much flawlessly. Granted, I don't have everything cranked up on graphics, but everything is on medium or low settings with all but the shader on. Heh, and my pc has to be 5-6 years old. And guess what, I have plenty of bills and two young kids to feed, yet somehow I manage to put aside cash here and there to save up towards my new PC for sometime this year. And I don't upgrade because I have too; I want to upgrade cause I'm not a lazy A$$, and I want to have some kick a$$ graphics and performance because I LOVE to play EVE! So You'll have to excuse me for having Zero compassion for your Pity Party. If you truly can't keep up from 6 - 10 years ago, then you have greater problems and you have priority failure and should just stop putting money into a game(s). Take care of you stuff, save up and upgrade. You wouldn't fit a HAC with T1 weapons would you? Samething here, don't play it until you have the skill or rescources to do it right! Don't play/fly what you can't afford to lose. Wise words both in and out of game. Btw, there are plenty of wholesale, PC websites that have great deals on hardware... Newegg.com and Tigerdirect.com come to mind. Those are US companies, but if you're overseas I'm sure they can ship or there's probably a Euro solution like them as well. Don't hate the game, hate your crappy hardware.

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