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XoxoTyH
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Posted - 2005.02.05 11:23:00 -
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Guys, I need a piece of advice.
I do have all these advanced learnings at 4lvl each. I've been playing for a 9 months already, and so far I'm not going to quit. So now I'm stuck with dilemma of either going for a learnings or start perfecting my Gunnery section, get myself Caldari BS lvl5 and so on.
Is there a reason to finalize my education  to the top?
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.02.05 11:38:00 -
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Well I figure that if it takes roughly 15 days to take each Advanced Learning skill to level 5 in order to increase the associated attribute by around 5%, then I'm looking at the order of 300 days to make back my investment PER attribute.
I can live with any potential loss in skillpoints if I make it another five years into the game. 
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SaintVash
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Posted - 2005.02.05 11:48:00 -
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they say every little bit help.. but i wouldnt put it at the top of my list...
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.02.05 12:11:00 -
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I don't know about you, but as a skillpoint addict I couldn't bear the thought of loosing out on SP/day - so I trained them all to 5. God knows if it's going to be worth it, but man does it feel reassuring knowing you already have them at 5 if you happen to stay for three more years or if they release super adv. learning skills.
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XoxoTyH
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Posted - 2005.02.05 14:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Meehan
I don't know about you, but as a skillpoint addict I couldn't bear the thought of loosing out on SP/day - so I trained them all to 5.
So how long it took you?
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Mordachai Ma'tak
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Posted - 2005.02.05 15:51:00 -
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Tripoli did all the hard number crunching:
Clicky Clicky
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.02.05 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: XoxoTyH
Originally by: Meehan
I don't know about you, but as a skillpoint addict I couldn't bear the thought of loosing out on SP/day - so I trained them all to 5.
So how long it took you?
Took me like forever. I don't know for sure, I had a friend train them for me while I was at sea.
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TIO 101
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Posted - 2005.02.05 18:52:00 -
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personaly i believe if they allow chars to be converted to jove, the char would prolly need all advanced learning skills to lvl 5.... but thats only my opinion.
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Sergeant Spot
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Posted - 2005.02.05 20:18:00 -
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If you stop playing Eve a year from now, taking all the advanced ones to level 5 is a pure waste.
If two years, probably still a waste.
If more, you might get some benefit
All learning skills are an investment in the future. The longer you play, the more return you get. Big investment takes a LONG time to pay off, but given time, it will pay off.
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Namarus
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Posted - 2005.02.06 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot
If you stop playing Eve a year from now, taking all the advanced ones to level 5 is a pure waste.
If two years, probably still a waste.
If more, you might get some benefit
All learning skills are an investment in the future. The longer you play, the more return you get. Big investment takes a LONG time to pay off, but given time, it will pay off.
Or you can take the view that if your not playing in a year or so time, you won't miss teh fact that you did train them up to level 5.
While if you are playing the game in 3 years time, you will be kicking yourself for not training the skills up.
I trained them up to level 5, but I know a lot of people who didn't.
One thing that is worth looking at is training just the int/mem or cha/will/per group. Training up skills only using them for a while.
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Kalast Raven
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Posted - 2005.02.06 02:22:00 -
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i'll be kicking myself more if i can't use fun t2 items sooner rather than later.
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XoxoTyH
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Posted - 2005.02.06 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: TIO 101
personaly i believe if they allow chars to be converted to jove, the char would prolly need all advanced learning skills to lvl 5.... but thats only my opinion.
Converted to Jove?!  Never heard about such perspective.
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Fjellu
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Posted - 2005.02.07 12:43:00 -
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I've trained all but Presence to 5 (will train that also before any trading skills).
I also hate to think I'm loosing SP's / day and plan to play for a long time yet.
Also I have a feeling the mnemonics and training skill boosters might require L5, but that's just a hunch....
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capt
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Posted - 2005.02.07 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: capt on 07/02/2005 15:17:07
IMHO, if you've run out of skills (in which your interested in) that have a training time under the amount of days needed to get advanced learnings to lvl 5, THEN it becomes interesting to max them(the advanced learning skills) out.
Because your looking at moucho long training times anyway...
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Kayinan Malrean
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:03:00 -
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Edited by: Kayinan Malrean on 07/02/2005 16:03:17
Originally by: XoxoTyH
Converted to Jove?! Never heard about such perspective.
I wouldn't worry too much about that perspective. CCP seems to still have enough drive to keep the game consistency somewhat in existence. I quite doubt they'll be adding any day soon now anything that would say "press this button to skip hundreds years worth of race evolution enhanced and controlled by superior alien genetics technology."
In two+ years, when EVE is at the end of its expected game life cycle and the last people are about to leave for newer games, they might add something like this to buy a few more months. But, not any day soon now - no matter how their sayings during or before the beta have been twisted and interpreted by wishful players.
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.02.07 16:36:00 -
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Maybe I'm losing skillpoints in the future, but I think training like two months for just a couple of more skillspoints I rather use for training skills that actually make a difference like training lvl5 skills needed for HACs or T2 guns.
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:10:00 -
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I was faced with this very issue myself, and decided that if I didn't, I'd always regret it in the future or at the very least never stop wondering.
Seeing as how the main concern is over making up "lost" training time, I've been trying to minimise it by only fully training the advanced skills for which I also have implants (which atm in my case is just Perception).
Should I get podded in the near future, I'll probably go find an intelligence implant and then train that advanced skill to 5, and so on...
/Ben
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.02.08 10:36:00 -
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Seriously, if this game is even around in another 3 years (well, roughly...), it'll still only BEGIN to pay itself back then. So you'll have exactly the same skills whatever you choose in 3 years times, but you'll get those other non-learning skills quicker in the meantime.
And seriously, with a 4 year old character, what skills would you have to train anyway!? Even with new skills coming out, there is never going to be THAT many. =/
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Ravenal
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kayinan Malrean
Edited by: Kayinan Malrean on 07/02/2005 16:03:17
Originally by: XoxoTyH
Converted to Jove?! Never heard about such perspective.
I wouldn't worry too much about that perspective. CCP seems to still have enough drive to keep the game consistency somewhat in existence. I quite doubt they'll be adding any day soon now anything that would say "press this button to skip hundreds years worth of race evolution enhanced and controlled by superior alien genetics technology."
In two+ years, when EVE is at the end of its expected game life cycle and the last people are about to leave for newer games, they might add something like this to buy a few more months. But, not any day soon now - no matter how their sayings during or before the beta have been twisted and interpreted by wishful players.
from the dev's own mouths during the fanfest... player will be able to become jovians. How is a different matter entirely but it will most likely involve agent missions
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MitchKambers
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Posted - 2005.02.10 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: MitchKambers on 10/02/2005 11:16:01
I think I will be training a select few of the Adv. Learning skills to level 5, just so I can get an attribute to hit the magic 20 marker, so that good old Learning gives a nice +2 bonus rather than the +1
(and in the early days everyone debated training that to level 5, heheh  )
edit: very poor grammar
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Six KH
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: MitchKambers
Edited by: MitchKambers on 10/02/2005 11:16:01
I think I will be training a select few of the Adv. Learning skills to level 5, just so I can get an attribute to hit the magic 20 marker, so that good old Learning gives a nice +2 bonus rather than the +1
(and in the early days everyone debated training that to level 5, heheh )
edit: very poor grammar
i think attributes are just truncated, even if it's not displayed you should have decimals after your attributes...
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:40:00 -
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I trained all the basic learning to 5 which was supposedly a waste of time but then I got all the advanced learning available right away. Who knows, in one year maybe we will have elite learning requiring advanced learning to 5 so then if you have trained it to 5 you will get the benefits right away.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.02.10 16:48:00 -
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If super advanced learning comes out, then you will have invested in a good skill. But if you look at most of the skills in Eve, the majority of the benefit can be gained by getting the skill to level 4. And the training times for this are very reasonable.
I'm training the advanced memory skill atm but I have no plans to take it past 4 when I could be training something much more useful.
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XoxoTyH
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Posted - 2005.02.10 18:43:00 -
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I was thinking of maxing out clarity and focus skills first, so I can get my gunnery up to a decent lvl. And after that, deal with eudetic memory, etc.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.02.11 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: XoxoTyH
I was thinking of maxing out clarity and focus skills first, so I can get my gunnery up to a decent lvl. And after that, deal with eudetic memory, etc.
I'm not sure if the clarity and focus skills use perception and willpower as their lead in skills - I think they do.
However, I did notice that in order to get all the lead in skills to 5, memory is the primary attribute (intelligence is secondary). So if you don't have your memory up initially, it may take longer to get the lead in skills necessary for the advanced percept and willpower skills.
I know getting my Eidectic (sp?) memory to 3 has made a big difference in the training time for other level 5 basic learning skills - like shaving a day and a half off of each one.
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XoxoTyH
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Posted - 2005.02.11 18:10:00 -
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Actually, adv. memory has little effect on adv. perception and willpower.
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Karl Borhman
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Posted - 2005.02.11 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: XoxoTyH
Actually, adv. memory has little effect on adv. perception and willpower.
I was referring to the basic learning skills necessary to take to level 5 prior to learning the advanced perception or willpower skills. Indeed, if you check the skills for training the basic perception and willpower skills, you'll see that they use memory as a primary skill and intelligence as a secondary skill for learning them.
Therefore, if you train Eidectic Memory to 3 first, you will get about a day and a half less to train to spatial awareness 5 and iron will 5, both of which are needed to learn the focus and clarity skills.
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EveJunkie
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Posted - 2005.02.12 15:46:00 -
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Its funny we had this same thread about the original learning skills lots of folk said training them to level 5 was a waste of time and wouldnt show a return for years. Time has shown its very worthwhile doing them asap no matter how painful it may seem at the time.
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Jalia Kovac
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Posted - 2005.02.13 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: EveJunkie
Its funny we had this same thread about the original learning skills lots of folk said training them to level 5 was a waste of time and wouldnt show a return for years. Time has shown its very worthwhile doing them asap no matter how painful it may seem at the time.
So how does leaving Advanced Learning skills on 4 hurt? So you have to wait a couple of weeks to be able to train the first of the Uber Learning skills of the (unlikely) future? In the meantime, you could train something that's ACTUALLY in the game.
I figure there's a lot more useful things to be training for the average player than Avanced Learning skills to 5. To train them all up would take of the order of two and a half months. The payback in terms of making back that time invested is clearly of the order of three to four years - that's just to break even. Why not use those two and a half months of skill points to go for some Gunnery specialization, some Science or Industry skills or some additional piloting choices?
It seems to me that the last level of these skills is the prerogative of the "skillpoint and attribute watching junkie" and the "long-term player with nothing else to train".
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