Originally by: Marcus Welbey

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1. AFK cloakers do no harm if they are afk. Well how about I come to your house and stand in your living room with my .45. I wont point it at you, i wont even say anything, im just standing there, AM I a threat?

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Originally by: Marcus Welbey

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2. Your just mad because you cant make any Isk. OK your right I like to make isk, I like to enjoy the game I pay 15.00 a month to play, not sit in a station and spin my ship. So tell ya what ill stand outside your job with my .45 and see if you like not being able to make any money, but hey the argument is you can go somewhere else right.

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Originally by: Marcus Welbey

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3. There is no need for a counter since anyone can do this. So by that logic eve turns into a game in which 50 percent of 0.0 players sit in each others null sec systems afk and they other 50 percent of null-sec players stay in station sounds like a game I would continue to play doesn't it?

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Originally by: Marcus Welbey

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4. NO-One is suggesting that people cannot cloak in 0.0 no-one is suggesting a major change in the actual combat of eve. Whats being suggested is that some form of control or counter be placed on this tactic to give people who god forbid dont want to sit afk in a system be given a chance to hunt down someone who apparently enjoys spending 15 bucks doing nothing.

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Originally by: Marcus Welbey

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Flame away trolls and enjoy, but I hope at least one person tries to answers these questions the way I want to hear them. Given what I have read so far tho that hope seems quite forlorn.

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Originally by: Flex Nebura

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In short, yes they might not be dangerous. But they are percieved as a threat no matter how little they do.

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Originally by: mkmin

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An even dumber afk analogy is having a bomb with blinky lights sitting in your house/workplace. You don't know if the guy with his finger on the button is awake or asleep, or if he plans on blowing it up or if it's a hoax. You don't know if you're his intended target or if he's waiting. In particularly bad circumstances, you don't even know if it's owned by someone friendly to you and not meant to be harmful to you at all.

On the other hand, a bomb with a 5 minutes battery is a lot less scary though still potentially a threat.

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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson

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The only issue that I have with afk cloakers is that, in my book, it is no different from somebody who macro-mines. Both are means in which a player can 'play' the game without actually being there.

Now macro-mining we all hate with a passion, but then argue for afk cloaking. Is this not a case of double standards?

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Originally by: Max Godsnottlingson

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That's not the point. The point is, you are not playing against another player, but an empty chair. Now you prove to me that an empty chair has the ability to pay it's subs and play Eve on it's own, then I will be more then happy for it to play the game, until then, it's on a par with macro-mining

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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

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The counter question to the people afraid of AFK cloakers...IF CCP removed instant local, what would you do? How would you change your tactics?

Then the follow-up question would be..."why don't you just do that now?"

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Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla

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The counter question to the people afraid of AFK cloakers...IF CCP removed instant local, what would you do? How would you change your tactics?

Then the follow-up question would be..."why don't you just do that now?"

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Originally by: Cambarus

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TBH I find it hilarious how religiously people defend afk cloaking. With the current mechanics surrounding covert cynos and the fact that you can't actually TELL if someone's afk, the ability to sit in someone else's system 100% safe for any amount of time is rather silly. It's as bad as the people defending the lack of agression on salvage by saying that carebears are too safe as it is. You can't defend an activity that is essentially without risk by claiming that said activity provides a needed risk to something else.

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