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Grifthin	Posted - 2011.04.02 18:22:00 - [1] I've moved into nullsec and I'm trying to get access to the sansha agents - what's the quickest way to get them positive again ? I've run dozens of Level 1's but that's hardly budged it. Is there any way I can hand in tags or do something else to get it into the positives ?
Xenuria Gallente Dziga royal industries Astronautic Enterprises of Tomorrow	Posted - 2011.04.02 19:21:00 - [2] Originally by: Grifthin I've moved into nullsec and I'm trying to get access to the sansha agents - what's the quickest way to get them positive again ? I've run dozens of Level 1's but that's hardly budged it. Is there any way I can hand in tags or do something else to get it into the positives ? why the hell would you want positive rep with them? They are bad guys.. Vote Support For Great Justice
Grifthin	Posted - 2011.04.02 19:30:00 - [3] They Arn't bad people - they have me delicious milk and cookies, as well as free candy! They also have awesome ships like the Phantasm and the Nightmare. So I wanna work for uncle sansha (not to mention they are the only faction in my area that I can run missions for). So How would I go about getting myself into atleast -2 with them quickly ( I have terrible bad standings from shooting them during amarr missions).
NovaCat13 Gallente Cepheid Industries	Posted - 2011.04.02 20:20:00 - [4] Train social skills? They make a big difference.
Ugly Boy Woman	Posted - 2011.04.02 20:58:00 - [5] Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 21:07:04 Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 20:58:50 Do the Amarr Epic Arc and choose the Sansha side when it branches. It's a pretty good increase, too: 11.5% with social at 3
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.04.02 21:05:00 - [6] Corp standing and faction standing are, weirdly, independent of each other. Disregard your Sansha standing, and get your True Power and True Creations standings up by normal means - starting at level 1 agents, and work up.
Ugly Boy Woman	Posted - 2011.04.02 21:08:00 - [7] Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 21:08:35 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Corp standing and faction standing are, weirdly, independent of each other. Disregard your Sansha standing, and get your True Power and True Creations standings up by normal means - starting at level 1 agents, and work up. Disregard this. You NEED a faction standing of at least -2.00 to use any agent higher then L1 Q0.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.04.02 22:04:00 - [8] Originally by: Ugly Boy Woman Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 21:08:35 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Corp standing and faction standing are, weirdly, independent of each other. Disregard your Sansha standing, and get your True Power and True Creations standings up by normal means - starting at level 1 agents, and work up. Disregard this. You NEED a faction standing of at least -2.00 to use any agent higher then L1 Q0. Oof, thanks. Had no idea.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.04.03 03:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Ugly Boy Woman Do the Amarr Epic Arc and choose the Sansha side when it branches. It's a pretty good increase, too: 11.5% with social at 3 This. Also train up Diplomacy, Negotiation and Criminal Connections.
Javanese Kaalakiota Research	Posted - 2011.04.03 20:41:00 - [10] Make an alt and use that to get missions which you complete with your main. Or run missions for Guristas/Blood Raiders to increase your Sansha standing. Easiest way is the first by the way.

Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.04.03 20:47:00 - [11] Sell character, buy one with high standings. Funny no one mentioned this yet. The poster above told 2nd easiest.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.04.04 02:00:00 - [12] Heh, you and the poster above you have no clue how Faction standings work. Having a new character get the mission offers won't help the main character gain Faction standing. It will only give the main character half of the Agent and Corporation standing gained for completing the missions. Any storyline mission offers will only be available to the new character and the main character will get no Faction standing increase. As long as the main character has Faction or Corporation standing of -2.00 or lower, the highest agents available will be lv 1 quality 0 which are available to everyone regardless of standings. So having a new character get the mission offers is a waste of time. The fastest way for the OP to gain a large Faction standing increase for Sansha is to train up Diplomacy to raise the current negative standing, Negotiation and Criminal Connections to receive max amount of standings after completing future missions for agent, then do the Amarr lv 4 Epic Arc. Half way through that there will be an option to complete it for Sansha. Completing that should give +12% Faction standing increase to Sansha. That can also be completed every 3 months.
Grifthin	Posted - 2011.04.04 10:04:00 - [13] Thanks - looks Like I'm gonna be grinding some missions then - and the Diplomacy is almost trained to 5.
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.04.04 13:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Ugly Boy Woman Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 21:08:35 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Corp standing and faction standing are, weirdly, independent of each other. Disregard your Sansha standing, and get your True Power and True Creations standings up by normal means - starting at level 1 agents, and work up. Disregard this. You NEED a faction standing of at least -2.00 to use any agent higher then L1 Q0. Nope. You can ALWAYS access agents of L1 Q0 or below regardless of standing.
Wolfino	Posted - 2011.04.04 16:29:00 - [15] Edited by: Wolfino on 04/04/2011 16:31:46 just make a alt, train him some social skils and u get fast to lev 4. Take missions with ur alt and run them with ur main while u salvaging with ur alt. After a while u will have standing increase on ur main too PS: i want to come too
Songbird Gallente T.I.E. Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.04 21:40:00 - [16] you're out of luck, the thing with the sansha alt won't work as somebody already mentioned. Best you can do is raise your standing with the blood raiders(through epic arc). Only works with angels and blood raiders unfortunately - I'm guessing after they finished these 2 arcs the devs said "5crew it, 2 is enough" and left out the others. I raised my angel standing from -10 (before skills) to -1 or so(with skills) and now I can do lvl 4s with them. My serpentis standing slowly started going up -I guess serp/angels - are like gallente/minmatar, but not nearly fast enough. I think blood raiders/sansha are a lot like amarr/amatar? so probably raising the standing with 1 of them would help with the other . P.S. I didn't know you can get standing increase from amarr arc , but I'd try anything that works if I were you.
Lanu 0utbreak	Posted - 2011.04.04 22:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: Ugly Boy Woman Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 21:08:35 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Corp standing and faction standing are, weirdly, independent of each other. Disregard your Sansha standing, and get your True Power and True Creations standings up by normal means - starting at level 1 agents, and work up. Disregard this. You NEED a faction standing of at least -2.00 to use any agent higher then L1 Q0. Nope. You can ALWAYS access agents of L1 Q0 or below regardless of standing. Read what he says. You NEED a FACTION standing of atleast -2.00 to be able to do missions for any agent higher then L1 Q0. So all you can do is train social skills and go farm lvl 1 sansha missions for a few days. If you do it for a few hours a day you should be done within 2 weeks. When your -1.99 faction and +7 corp you can use all the 4 lvl4 q20 sansha agents in G-ME2K =) http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/G-ME2K/agents
Jovan Geldon Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire	Posted - 2011.04.04 22:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Lanu Edited by: Lanu on 04/04/2011 22:08:53 Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: Ugly Boy Woman Edited by: Ugly Boy Woman on 02/04/2011 21:08:35 Originally by: Emperor Cheney Corp standing and faction standing are, weirdly, independent of each other. Disregard your Sansha standing, and get your True Power and True Creations standings up by normal means - starting at level 1 agents, and work up. Disregard this. You NEED a faction standing of at least -2.00 to use any agent higher then L1 Q0. Nope. You can ALWAYS access agents of L1 Q0 or below regardless of standing. Read what he says. You NEED a FACTION standing of atleast -2.00 to be able to do missions for any agent higher then L1 Q0. ......I knew that Disregard my previous, my reading comprehension is fail.
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:25:00 - [19] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Heh, you and the poster above you have no clue how Faction standings work. Having a new character get the mission offers won't help the main character gain Faction standing. It will only give the main character half of the Agent and Corporation standing gained for completing the missions. Any storyline mission offers will only be available to the new character and the main character will get no Faction standing increase. As long as the main character has Faction or Corporation standing of -2.00 or lower, the highest agents available will be lv 1 quality 0 which are available to everyone regardless of standings. So having a new character get the mission offers is a waste of time. Do you sir have any clue at all? Have you actually tried to increase faction standings l1 q0 agent way? You haven't, have you? In case you didn't know this how it works in practice. Let's say your Serpentis standings are -9.92. You get l1 q0 agent, do 16 missions, get a L1 storyline that increases faction standings by how much? Somewhere in the area of 0.0001%. Now you Serp standings are -9.915 or so. In theory you should be able to raise faction standings to 0 and above this way - in practice only if you live 1000 years. Alternatively get an alt with 0 faction standing, grind standing with it and use him to get/deliver missions, main to pew mission rats. So which way in your opinion wastes more time?
tek0n	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:50:00 - [20] look what other faction likes sansha if you can use any of the agents in that action when you get important mission it will also increase for sansha abeit not so much

DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.04.06 23:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Mister Agreeable Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Heh, you and the poster above you have no clue how Faction standings work. Having a new character get the mission offers won't help the main character gain Faction standing. It will only give the main character half of the Agent and Corporation standing gained for completing the missions. Any storyline mission offers will only be available to the new character and the main character will get no Faction standing increase. As long as the main character has Faction or Corporation standing of -2.00 or lower, the highest agents available will be lv 1 quality 0 which are available to everyone regardless of standings. So having a new character get the mission offers is a waste of time. Do you sir have any clue at all? Have you actually tried to increase faction standings l1 q0 agent way? You haven't, have you? In case you didn't know this how it works in practice. Let's say your Serpentis standings are -9.92. You get l1 q0 agent, do 16 missions, get a L1 storyline that increases faction standings by how much? Somewhere in the area of 0.0001%. Now you Serp standings are -9.915 or so. In theory you should be able to raise faction standings to 0 and above this way - in practice only if you live 1000 years. Alternatively get an alt with 0 faction standing, grind standing with it and use him to get/deliver missions, main to pew mission rats. So which way in your opinion wastes more time? Learn to read. Yes, I have a 'Clue' on how standings work. Yes, I've raised Faction standings starting with a level 1 quality 0 agent. I'll try to make this easier for you to understand. #1, Faction and Corporation standing above -2.00 is needed to access agents above lv 1 quality 0. #2, Faction standing increase isn't shared among Fleet members. Using an alt character still doesn't help the main character. #3, Training up the skills in the Social skill group before attempting to repair standings will increase the amount of standing gained from future mission rewards as well as raise current standings. I know how the in-game standings mechanics work. I also know how to repair negative Faction standings quickly. That includes both Empire and Pirate Factions. Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I'll no longer respond to obvious troll posts from players who don't understand the game mechanics and fail at reading comprehension. For those who have legit questions on how to repair negative Faction standings, you can ask them here: Faction Standing Repair Plan DMC
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.07 08:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 07/04/2011 08:16:41 Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Originally by: Mister Agreeable Originally by: DeMichael Crimson Heh, you and the poster above you have no clue how Faction standings work. Having a new character get the mission offers won't help the main character gain Faction standing. It will only give the main character half of the Agent and Corporation standing gained for completing the missions. Any storyline mission offers will only be available to the new character and the main character will get no Faction standing increase. As long as the main character has Faction or Corporation standing of -2.00 or lower, the highest agents available will be lv 1 quality 0 which are available to everyone regardless of standings. So having a new character get the mission offers is a waste of time. Do you sir have any clue at all? Have you actually tried to increase faction standings l1 q0 agent way? You haven't, have you? In case you didn't know this how it works in practice. Let's say your Serpentis standings are -9.92. You get l1 q0 agent, do 16 missions, get a L1 storyline that increases faction standings by how much? Somewhere in the area of 0.0001%. Now you Serp standings are -9.915 or so. In theory you should be able to raise faction standings to 0 and above this way - in practice only if you live 1000 years. Alternatively get an alt with 0 faction standing, grind standing with it and use him to get/deliver missions, main to pew mission rats. So which way in your opinion wastes more time? Learn to read. Yes, I have a 'Clue' on how standings work. Yes, I've raised Faction standings starting with a level 1 quality 0 agent. I'll try to make this easier for you to understand. #1, Faction and Corporation standing above -2.00 is needed to access agents above lv 1 quality 0. #2, Faction standing increase isn't shared among Fleet members. Using an alt character still doesn't help the main character. #3, Training up the skills in the Social skill group before attempting to repair standings will increase the amount of standing gained from future mission rewards as well as raise current standings. I know how the in-game standings mechanics work. I also know how to repair negative Faction standings quickly. That includes both Empire and Pirate Factions. Anyway, I'm done with this thread. I'll no longer respond to obvious troll posts from players who don't understand the game mechanics and fail at reading comprehension. For those who have legit questions on how to repair negative Faction standings, you can ask them here: Faction Standing Repair Plan DMC Tbh mate you fail at reading comprehension. The method that you are dissing is being recommended, not to increase his mains standing, but to increase the new alts standing. Optimally corp standing wont be shared at all using this method, everything will go straight onto the alts standings. The OP seemed to be more interested in being able to run sansha missions, than necessarily boosting his standing with them. You are right, using an alt to accept / decline missions (and not sharing rewards) means his main will get no standing increases at all. You are right, corp standing can be shared, but faction standing can't. But you are still missing the point. Finally, stating that 'someone has no clue' then flouncing out of the conversation when you are corrected (but still cannot see the point) is very very fail. @ the OP, Having used this method myself and found it to be very effective there is one thing I would point out. The main that you use may not get any standings increases will still get standings decreases for shooting at enemies of the sansha faction, eg Amarr/Caldari/affiliated. SO, make sure that if you already have good standing with someone like Caldari (and ont want to lose it) your alt oesnt accept any missions that will involve you shooting at Caldari, or you will trash your stdg to them.
Khanid Voltar	Posted - 2011.04.07 08:27:00 - [23] Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 07/04/2011 08:28:50 As an addendum to my last post, another benefit of the alt accepting missions on your mains behalf is that you can still use your main to rat sanshas without ruining your ability to accept high end sansha missions. Yes sansha mission lp pays more (probably), but man it got boring after a while. Was nice to be able to go run some anomolies and stuff to have a week or two off without worrying about not being able to accept L4Q20 missions when finished.
DeMichael Crimson Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2011.04.07 12:48:00 - [24] OK, guess I'll jump back into this again. You Sir should go back to the original post and read it again. The OP has moved into 0.0 and want's to do missions for Sansha but can't access agents above level 1. He is asking how he can get positive standing with them to access higher level agents. A few replies later he asks how he can quickly get to be above -2.00 FACTION STANDING because he wants to run Sansha missions now even though he's killed a lot of Sansha before while running Amarr missions. Sure, paying for another account to make a new character to get mission offers will allow him to run Sansha missions but it'll cost him more real money to do that and still doesn't answer his question to help his main character. Some people just can't afford to pay for multiple accounts. Yes I said Mister Agreeable had no clue as to how standings work since he first said for the OP to sell his character and buy another one. Then he said it would take 1000 years for the OP to gain back standing with Sansha. Both of those statements are incorrect. He didn't correct me or prove me wrong on anything. Since the OP's character has done a lot of missions for Amarr, he can easily access the Amarr Epic Arc and complete it for Sansha. I as well as other players have posted the quickest way for the OP's character to gain access to high level Sansha Agents. Now you want to pick up the torch and continue this with me by saying I don't have any reading comprehension skills and I fail because I don't want to continue with this thread? You really should re-read the OP.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:45:00 - [25] Edited by: Doddy on 16/04/2011 00:47:05 Originally by: Jovan Geldon Originally by: Ugly Boy Woman Disregard this. You NEED a faction standing of at least -2.00 to use any agent higher then L1 Q0. Nope. You can ALWAYS access agents of L1 Q0 or below regardless of standing. You sure did read what he said.
Doddy Excidium.	Posted - 2011.04.16 00:53:00 - [26] Originally by: DeMichael Crimson OK, guess I'll jump back into this again. You Sir should go back to the original post and read it again. The OP has moved into 0.0 and want's to do missions for Sansha but can't access agents above level 1. He is asking how he can get positive standing with them to access higher level agents. A few replies later he asks how he can quickly get to be above -2.00 FACTION STANDING because he wants to run Sansha missions now even though he's killed a lot of Sansha before while running Amarr missions. Sure, paying for another account to make a new character to get mission offers will allow him to run Sansha missions but it'll cost him more real money to do that and still doesn't answer his question to help his main character. Some people just can't afford to pay for multiple accounts. Yes I said Mister Agreeable had no clue as to how standings work since he first said for the OP to sell his character and buy another one. Then he said it would take 1000 years for the OP to gain back standing with Sansha. Both of those statements are incorrect. He didn't correct me or prove me wrong on anything. Since the OP's character has done a lot of missions for Amarr, he can easily access the Amarr Epic Arc and complete it for Sansha. I as well as other players have posted the quickest way for the OP's character to gain access to high level Sansha Agents. Now you want to pick up the torch and continue this with me by saying I don't have any reading comprehension skills and I fail because I don't want to continue with this thread? You really should re-read the OP. No matter how you paint it buying a character with sansha standings is faster, i dunno why you are arguing. No-one said using an alt to get the mission would increase the mains standing either. The op didn't specift that he had only one account, nor that he didn't want to buy a new character so both methods are perfectly viable.


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