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clixor	Posted - 2011.04.05 13:13:00 - [1] Originally by: Zangorus 17k botting characters gone for 2 weeks source? about the poll. Say if you're selling a product, you're not going to put a poll on your site that shows the product is useless.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.05 21:51:00 - [2] Originally by: Pserad Pserad I think it's safe to say that if every bot in the game left, CCP would certainly start to feel the hurt. If their numbers are in the thousands as everybody claims, each one would at some point be bringing in around $180/year (more or less) either in actual cash from subscriptions, or removing PLEX from the game. Either way, it's cash coming out of CCP's pocket. Do you think they really want to live on a million dollars+ less each year? I bet they don't. This argument has been heard before and has got to stop. Really. First of all, how much resources do you think CCP have allocated in dealing with the issue. All the petitions, checking them etc.etc., these cost serious manpower. Then there is the extra server load which forces CCP which ultimately costs money as well. Lastly, there is the RMT element where CCP is just losing hard money Finally, there is the ethical point of view and just doing what is right. If CCP doesn't contain this issue, than it would grow out of control, crippling and ruining EVE and CCP.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.06 10:19:00 - [3] Originally by: Prince Kobol Edited by: Prince Kobol on 06/04/2011 08:22:43 Now of course it could be purely coincident that some people in Eve have the same obscure character name as a poster on a Eve Botting/Macro site which is why I would never post the names here Do CCP Sreegs and us a favour if you will, and report them! They can't handle everything, they need our help, if you already know the names, save them some work!
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.06 17:13:00 - [4] First of all, can we keep this topic clean please, start your own topic if you want to discuss creditcard yadayada. please, we want more botter tears Looking at refreshing the content side is also an interesting topic. If you make belts less static, this would help some in countering simple bots, and it would even be 'realistic', at least, i'd image belt are not available in the same exact spot in space all the time ;)
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.07 09:35:00 - [5] Again Ninjaspud, many thanks for your update! Although i'm very interested in the impact on the market myself, this is not the responsability of the security team. The security team primary task is that the EULA is enforced. The impact on EVE's economy and gameplay as a result of the 'unholy not so rage' probably need to be balanced out by other teams and is not the main priority at this time.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Cutlass Claire Edited by: Cutlass Claire on 07/04/2011 14:34:30 Edited by: Cutlass Claire on 07/04/2011 14:33:41 I can't say I agree with the majority of the posters here but at least it was fun reading. Just posting to set something straight. First of all; people play games to have fun and enjoy themselfs. Show me the guy that forces you to logon and do boring stuff? It's a well know fact that some people are in rifters pvpping 2 days after subscribing. It's all YOUR choice and nobody forces you to do stuff you perceive as boring. Let's get the facts straight, there are bots out there simply because it's possible and the chances to get detected until recently were slim to none. There are many many alternatives, search MD for instance, it's possible to go from 5000isk to 1billion isk within one month if you put in some effort. Sure, most PVE stuff is repetitive and mind-numbing, but every MMO has to have some sort of grind to give some sort of value and meaning to advance in the game. Otherwise, what's the point? I suggest you be a bit more creative, if you then still can't find something 'fun' to do then please just quit the game for your own sake.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.12 12:06:00 - [7] Originally by: The Old Chap So has anyone noticed if the bot-banning is having any effect yet? On the markets? Or visibly in the popular botting systems? That's very hard to say. Overall volumes of lo-end minerals seems te be going done on average. We are also seeing way less huge spikes. But as indicated in other places, that could just be people waiting to offload. On the other hand, i do see some weird LP store item behavior. Yesterday some high-end items were sold to me 50% below market average which (again) could indicate some fireselling going on. But then again, you never really know for sure. I'd just love to get some feedback from CCP about the numbers, even seeing regular botting systems empty doesn't mean nothing as those bots could be just sitting out until the storm passes. And then we have the botters returning from the 14day ban soon. It WILL be interesting :)
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.13 18:45:00 - [8] Originally by: Ingvar Angst I still say you remove a crapload of skill points in whatever areas they're set up for botting. Mining bot? Lose astrogeology. Penny bot? Lose all trade skills. Hit them below the belt. We're talking entry level SP here. The only way to hit the botters hard is where it hurts most: their Wallets. Technically it probably isn't a issue. I assume it's probably a legal/customer retention thing. Marketing guys with targets probably don't want to also loose the guys who bot occasionally.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.16 08:40:00 - [9] On page 3 so bumping. I must say i'm a little worried about CCP resources in tackling this problem. Not blaming you Screegs but my guess is that you have been busy (still) with fixing the forums. Isn't it the job of the project team to deliver and FIX? In fact, they should be stationed in the lunch room with pink tanktops, hannah montana music on repeat and minimum caffeine rations until fixed. Reason i say: the botters are like the borg and adapting their cubes. You're not going to win the war if you and/or your team have to allocate your precious time elsewhere to fix other teams mistakes. Remember that the banned will be unbanned, it's crucial that they are monitored otherwise risk vs reward will shift in their favour again.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.18 08:19:00 - [10] Thanks Screegs, still i think with Scrum, teams who mess up should be pay some price. Make them work for Chribba and mine for 8 hours or something In other news, there was a quite interesting story about MMO's and RMT in my local newspaper this weekend, titled "virtual worlds are big business". EVE was mentioned although the focus was more on Entropia Universe. Interesting to read that 'outsiders' cleary believe RMT is a essential part of MMO's. This makes you wonder if n00bs are also under the impression that RMT is accepted? Perhaps something needs to be done on the communcation aspect as well. Include some warnings/explanations in the account confirmation mail perhaps?

clixor	Posted - 2011.04.18 22:54:00 - [11] Originally by: J Kunjeh Edited by: J Kunjeh on 18/04/2011 21:46:22 Originally by: Guitonkagya Seriously does anyone else think we need some sort of organised in-game player based effort against the bots? or maybe there are already Bot hunting Corps out there? I would be very interested in joing or forming an organised co-alition of Players Against BotsÖ. Maybe we should bring together the rabble of Bot hunters out there into an organised force? Share intel and bot tears etc A Botageddon? I'm in. I might even donate some isk for such a cause This might also be a good chance for the major alliances to show what their worth. If they refuse such an initiative on their turf.. well. that kindof says it all doesn't it.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.19 20:55:00 - [12] quit the debate guys, this thread is for botter tears :) Reporting from the trading floor. Trit volumes seem to be going slightly up again, from mid/high 20b to mid 30's and even 42b three days ago. Isogen continues to climb but also here the volumes have been picking up the last couple of days. Word reached me that yesterday someone dumped quite a load on buys orders in Rens. Legit? or returning botter? Basic implant prices have remained quite stable which corresponds with the rumour that courier bots seem untouched up to now. PLEX prices seem to reached a plateau level of 360ish.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.20 09:49:00 - [13] Originally by: NinjaSpud The point I'm trying to make, is Eve designers have pioneered a new frontier of online gaming. And like most first starts, there is alot of pain involved in getting it right. True, but how long bots have been around in EVE? And how long did it take for CCP to respond? (if at all, we're still waiting for real prove of results from CCP). The community has been adressing this issue for years and years, only now when it's likely that CCP's bottom line is involved they're investing resources in the issue. What's i'm trying to say is; good that CCP is taking action but their current motives have nothing to do with 'cheating' and 'levelling the playing field'.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.23 09:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Wyke Mossari In the last few days, I've started to notice some large sell orders of isotopes and minerals reappear at multiple, particularly regional, trade hubs. I wonder if these are expired bans dumping their stocks before giving up, or new stocks being produced. I guess time will tell. I just hope CCP have a strategy to conduct a follow up investigations. Confirmed by multiple sources. Volumes stayed low the days after so it looks like an incident. Curious about the second part as well btw. But THE unbanned must be really ignorant and stupid to restart their dubious activities. It doesnt take much to create a query with their names and any unregular asset/isk growth.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.23 20:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/04/2011 14:39:18 You are thinking about this issue like a normal player would (who doesn't want his accounts banned), not like a business. I was actually thinking more in the likes of CCP. Hoping that they've got their basics covered. I know how corporations work and everybody is busy. Giving CCP the benefit of doubt for now.
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.25 10:29:00 - [16] Happy Easter as well Screegs Any news about the forthcoming Blog?
clixor	Posted - 2011.04.26 12:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Slaves Trader Bobbert Seems to be a big hubub about macro miners and ratters, but what of the ever-present trading bots? Do the same detection methods work on them aswell, or are we seeing some botters slip under the radar as the sights of CCP rest firmly outside of stations? If you watched the Fanfest presentation you saw that one part of the detection methods is behavioral patterns. If someone is logged for 23.5/7 and ACTIVE during that time this ofcourse is suspicious and likely investigated. Although this is not particularly directed at trading bots they will probably will scale down their activities which is already a WIN situation until technical detection is optimized.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.05 10:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Im Super Gay Originally by: NinjaSpud I'd also like to comment that the above post also proves that ccp is monitoring the known bot account for any links to other accounts. FYI Billing is an obvious link. If that guy pays for all 3 accounts with the same credit card its as simple as handing out bans to all accounts that are on the credit card. No need to monitor in game transactions...yet. That. and he used the same IP for all his accounts. I just can't believe how stupid these people are to continue after their first ban. I just hope for the sake of mankind that is a minority. I still consider this all round 1 though. The real challenge will be the guys with remote access etc.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.05 16:41:00 - [19] Originally by: Suddenly Boom This thread is filled with so much rabble. Someone posts information pointing out 36 botters, all of the same group, earning billions daily, and the information is ignored. It's no wonder CCP turns a blind eye to them. Seriously, read my last post before this one. Don't bother with that, that is the internet logic of forum threads. Please do petition if you didn't do so already, the one thing i have learned is that CCP is investigating the petitions (better than before i have to add).
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.10 09:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Mikk36 Quote: PublicDemands For Sale www.publicdemands.co.uk domain is for sale, for anyone who wants to carry on the eve bot legacy. Othran, good work :) Imagine the lolz if CCP would buy that domain And NinjaSpud, again, great work!

clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.17 14:35:00 - [21] Originally by: RaTTuS Originally by: Ingvar Angst Did anyone else's boolsheetometer just peg and short out? just a bit... like the usernames / emails on the forum are going to match ccp ones No, but IP's do. The only use for this information i can see is that CCP can track down RMT operations. CCP has proven already they can track down botters using internal techniques.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.23 12:32:00 - [22] Originally by: Poulain Just came back from a 14-day vacation, did i miss something ?? Keep doing what you were doing, all is back to normal.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.24 11:43:00 - [23] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This has to change, otherwise it will be an uphill battle forever. If you have followed this thread you would have noticed things are changing. 1. detection methods have/are changed/changing 2. petition process is changing 3. general awareness is changing 4. real player attitude to botters and petitioning them is changing. agreed, in an ideal environment players shouldn't even be involved in this as the software should be designed in such a way cheating is impossible. But all in all, we are seeing clear progress.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.24 12:44:00 - [24] btw. implant prices are sinking really hard atm. Return of the courier bots? or unbanned unloading their stacks perhaps?
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.05.31 15:07:00 - [25] Page 4.. really. REAAAALLY ??? :) btw. wasn't there a live-bloggie thing or something? can't seem to find it.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.06.03 10:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Sadayiel Considering they are attempting to make an easy living of online games, don't expect them to stick only to the chineses server but also some prisioner may know how to avoid the goverment nets and get into the overall MMO from USA/EU With the corruption and all, government officials most likely are involved.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.06.10 11:05:00 - [27] Just a reply to the 'no time' argument. I think everybody agrees with me this is total BS. If you only have a few hours per week to play, and no time to grind, than just sell a plek for isk. I think the problem is more that people nowadays are so spoiled, and they think they can only play if they fly t3's or above.
clixor Celluloid Gurus	Posted - 2011.06.28 01:14:00 - [28] Already on page god knows what, had to search for the thread Not that many people still care, but weren't we promised a DEV blog? It's probably not coming anymore, but can we get at least a explanation WHY NOT?

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