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Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:54:00 -
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got suicide ganked by this griefer ...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=mmazing#kills
lost my covetor
as you can see he has destroyed a lot of miners ships in arnon ... and he is not the only one there or in other places
it has really put me off the game that it is so easy to do this
they create an alt or a trial account - spend 24 - 48 hrs training some skills - buy a destroyer (catalyst), insure it, fit it with cheap tech 1 mods
(get a friend to passive scan the target, destroy miners ship, loot his wreck in an industrial (or get a friend to) .. make profit on the insurance, collect your cheap mods in a new destroyer, sell miners mods .. repeat process
ccp please make it harder for pirates to do this !! it's really putting a lot of people continuing to play the game ... not good business sense really
war decs are fine .. i dont even mind being ganked in high sec ... just make it harder for them to do so !! and also make it clearer to new players they can be killed anywhere as it is not clear this is the case (they assume concord is there to protect them in high sec) -
- some suggestions
- make armour of mining barges receive a large bonus in high sec (and haulers)
- give pirates a bigger security hit to their sec status - but this time on all alts they have
- record their ip address and prevent them from creating trial accounts on that computer and make it harder for them to just delete alts and create new ones
- make concord intervene immediately - so u cant get solo ganked by a destroyer
- make a suicide ganker red to every single player in new eden for 24 hours and their alts too(and also make their pods red so they can be podded too without any consequence) ... this will put them off as it penalizes their playing time .. and makes them only be able to do one gank a day or else vulnerable to attack
set up areas of complete safe zones where griefers / harassers cant suicide gank - like small clusters of systems surrounding and including trade hubs i guess ...
war dec's in high sec are the perfect system ... why do we need to be ganked also ??
this really needs to be taken seriously by ccp as it is ruining the gameplay experience of a lot of their customers ...
a lot of miners in high sec are casual players who just want to relax and mine ... what's the point of buying a game where u cant even do that in relative safety with no real consequence for players who attack them
im sure many people have cancelled their subscription or decided not to subscribe / buy the game due to issues like this and ccp's reluctance to act on it, and to listen to the community about how this is affecting their gameplay experience ...
all suggestions and feedback are welcome to solve this problem
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Belthazor4011
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Posted - 2011.04.05 15:57:00 -
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Concord equals cops, cops won't stop you shooting anyone IRL now do they? They just come after you and punish you as Concord does.
Aka works as intended, so nothing is gonna change
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Flynn Fetladral
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2011.04.05 16:06:00 -
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The real Picard would of done the 'Picard manoeuvre' and wtf pawned.
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Miregar Shakor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.05 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Flynn Fetladral The real Picard would of done the 'Picard manoeuvre' and wtf pawned.
+1
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Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.05 16:41:00 -
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Wow, change your name or HTFU, a covetor... you put Cpt. Picard to shame
Also if anyone wants to 10 hour hero this guy
Originally by: Leeroy McJenkins There is no real pvp in EVE, there is only winning or losing and then feeling :smug: about winning or sore about losing. There is nothing wrong with this arrangement.
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Tarigal
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Posted - 2011.04.05 16:49:00 -
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Edited by: Tarigal on 05/04/2011 16:50:01 Very nice sir, obvious troll is obvious. I especially liked this one
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- give pirates a bigger security hit to their sec status - but this time on all alts they have
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Darryl Ward
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Posted - 2011.04.05 17:27:00 -
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The only change they should make in regards to this is voiding insurance payouts for kamikaze gank ships.
Miners are supposed to be weak, that's why you should find friends.
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Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 21:43:00 -
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Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 21:49:01 Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 21:45:05 i'm ignoring the lame griefers comments ... typical no life trolls flaming everyones threads ... i'm guessing no one pays them attention in real life, so they seek attention on the forums because they are such pathetic losers and nasty people
anyway i had some more to add - firstly a lot of griefers dont suicide gank for profit, they do it to make other players lives a misery, which makes them happy
and how about
- making the wrecks locked / or invisible to the griefer so that they cant loot them - and make it only visible or accessible by the destroyed pilot ??
or make concord immediately pop these players - no delays ... war decs are the perfect system for high sec, why dont ccp implement it properly ?
i dont think having 'no insurance payout if you are concorded' will be effective, as a destroyer with tech 1 fittings is pretty cheap = i doubt it will stop griefers and harassers from doing it
ccp really needs to take action against this
on a personal note - i hope someone forms an anti grief corp and alliance - so we can make a revenge list on anyone who has done this and grief them like they did to vulnerable noobs by ganking them ... and harassing them out of the game
it's only fair - if ccp wont act, then all the players who have been griefed need to gang up together to put a stop to this and make the players that have made our lives a misery, such a misery that they leave the game.
this shows ccp's unwillingness to still resolve these issues
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_ganking_%28CSM%29
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_ganking_part_2_%28CSM%29
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_Ganking_Part_3_%28CSM%29
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:00:00 -
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You are in for a short and very miserable experience in this game I'm afraid.
Suicide ganking happens. CCP knows this and after 7 years has taken absolutely 0 steps to change this. What exactly makes you think that your whine thread is going to bring any action after the thousands of whine threads before yours were ignored?
Now personally I do wish that they'd take a couple steps to shift the balance of power to a somewhat more level playing field. For instance I'd like to see kill rights go to the victims player corporation rather than only to the individual and I think that exhumers need a massive PG increase so they can actually fit an appropriate sized tank.
But a core concept of EVE is that you are never safe when undocked. Any time you click the undock button you are putting your ship at risk and someone who has enough resources and resolve can and will kill you if they really want to.
That's part of what gives the game it's edge. It's a huge part of why we all play it. You manage your risks you mitigate them you take steps to reduce them but they are always there.
I've taken part in 2 suicide ganks on hulks since I started playing, One was a guy who made the mistake of threatening the alt of my CEO so we hunted him down and blew up his hulk the other was talking crap because he'd convinced himself that he was safe from theft because he had an Orca to dump his ore in so we educated him on the reality that you are never safe in EVE.
Some people will blow up your ship simply for the lulz. Hell we even have a player driven event dedicated to the activity. There are people who make their isk by ganking haulers via suicide attacks.
It's why the 1st rule of EVE exists. Never fly anything you aren't prepared to lose.
If you can't learn to accept and even revel in that reality then EVE probably isn't the game for you.
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Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 22:09:56
Quote: It's why the 1st rule of EVE exists. Never fly anything you aren't prepared to lose.
and what if we cant afford anything ? ... when we have nothing left to insure our ships with and buy modules again ? - continuously losing isk and having to use cheaper and cheaper ships just to mine our way back up again to the ship we originally had ??
but you did make me think of 2 other things - modules should be allowed to be insured too, like ships maybe
and player wrecks are completely destroyed (in high sec ??) so there would be nothing to loot .. so no profit, but only loss for griefers in the form of isk and sec status
so suicide ganking is still possible - but not profitable for the griefers - they actually have to pay to do it
Quote: But a core concept of EVE is that you are never safe when undocked. Any time you click the undock button you are putting your ship at risk and someone who has enough resources and resolve can and will kill you if they really want to.
so basically the noobs are already disadvantaged as it is ... and this makes it harder for them
Quote: Some people will blow up your ship simply for the lulz. Hell we even have a player driven event dedicated to the activity. There are people who make their isk by ganking haulers via suicide attacks.
yes great lulz for you guys, a miserable player experience for newer players ... it's the worst way to run a game to allow this
this is ruining the mining profession and making the game less fun for those who want to go down the industrial career path
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Anton Silvano
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Anton Silvano on 05/04/2011 22:18:39
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 22:00:45 on a personal note - i hope someone forms an anti grief corp and alliance - so we can make a revenge list on anyone who has done this and grief them like they did to vulnerable noobs by ganking them ... and harassing them out of the game
it's only fair - if ccp wont act, then all the players who have been griefed need to gang up together to put a stop to this and make the players that have made our lives a misery, such a misery that they leave the game.
Hi...
Guess what?
You've got kill rights on this guy. IE - YOU can go kill him. Shocking, right? You don't need to wait for some uber alliance of players to form up and save you from the misery. You know where this guy hunts, you know what he flies. Go get a combat ship that can destroy his ship and kick his teeth in next time he's there.
Or... better yet... contact some of the other poor miserable carebears he's been hunting (pro-tip... they're listed on the KB you linked) and talk to them. If the bad evil griefer's can put together a dessy that can destroy your industrial in a day... why can't you do the same and go return the favor? Or get some friends from that list and put together some real combat ships and take out other ships next time he vists?
Oh... wait... sorry, you'd prefer to moan on the forums, instead of using the tools CCP gave YOU, right?
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Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 22:24:24
Quote: Hi...
Guess what?
You've got kill rights on this guy. IE - YOU can go kill him. Shocking, right? You don't need to wait for some uber alliance of players to form up and save you from the misery. You know where this guy hunts, you know what he flies. Go get a combat ship that can destroy his ship and kick his teeth in next time he's there.
oh because kill rights are really useful if your character only has industrial skills trained up ... thanks for that pro tip plus he has more isk, ships, backup (im alone, look at his corp .. by the way i forgot to mention he had 3 people with him when he ganked me - probably one scanner .. one combat .. whatever - mostly harmless has a lot of members while im on my own and been playing a relatively short time)
is it possible for me to give kill rights to an experienced player to kill him ? i dont know :/ but that would be cool i guess
Quote: Or... better yet... contact some of the other poor miserable carebears he's been hunting (pro-tip... they're listed on the KB you linked) and talk to them. If the bad evil griefer's can put together a dessy that can destroy your industrial in a day... why can't you do the same and go return the favor? Or get some friends from that list and put together some real combat ships and take out other ships next time he vists?
Oh... wait... sorry, you'd prefer moan on the forums, instead of using the tools CCP gave you, right?
yeah right because the people they pick are really able to get revenge - the whole point these griefers do it, is because they know we cant fight back - they pick on noob players, usually not in a corp (no backup) - they do their research ofc ... they never pick on someone that presents a challenge or a threat 'carebear tears' as they put it
its pathetic to grief new players like this
and you can call it moaning i dont care - i raise legitimate issues that other players have risen before, and are suffering right now.
i won't let this issue just be swept under the rug and be forgotten about - action needs to be taken, either by the community (that is a victim of this) or by ccp ..,
cons of your argument - kill rights do nothing, they can just get rid of their 1 day / 2 day alt .. and create a new one when their sec status drops too low on it
Quote: # Cons * Character might be recycled * Suicide gankers and other criminals might just be alts that are not hindered by losing their ship, booty gets laundered to other characters * Might deter, but does not prevent the crime
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Tralaloo
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:48:00 -
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Wow this guy is like really too perfect. Go back to Wow man, then you wont lose anything no matter what you do. Either that or open your eyes to what this game really is, cause your living in a fantasy world bro
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yopparai
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:50:00 -
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Ok, so Instead of logging in and ganking a barge, which is what your post makes me want to do, I'll give you some advice. Stop complaining about how unfair it is and learn from your mistake. 1) stop mining it's sooo 2007. 2) If you must mine at least align your ship to something & warp out the second anyone enters the belt. 3) make friends & learn to fight.
Getting revenge is not difficult even for noobs. It just takes effort & patience. 1) learn what the guy flys and where. 2) Fit out a gank battlecruiser. 3) Follow the guy around till he makes a mistake. Like hauling some mods to/from a trade hub, auto piloting to some place.
Finally quit thinking you are defenseless, and that the game should change because you can't be bothered to adapt.
Yopp
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Anton Silvano
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Posted - 2011.04.05 22:56:00 -
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No sir... you're an absolute idiot. You are the prey of folks like this for a very large pool of reasons. I'd say in your case you entered into a consensual bit of PvP and came out the loser. But you surely should have known what you were getting into.
But honestly? After looking at the KB and realizing the last covetor kill was like two weeks ago? I'm thinking this is more of a troll than anything else.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.05 23:05:00 -
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OP, simply move to another system.
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Th0rG0d
Terminal Pharmaceuticals Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.06 00:30:00 -
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I am neither a ganker, nor a griefer. You sir, are plain ******ed, and should quit now. Please, for the love of all that is holy, quit now.
The only statement that I can agree with is that insurance should not pay out on CONCORD destruction.
Capt. Picard, go away, and never come back. Otherwise, I shall go get my share of Thrashers, and kill you myself.
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Soldarius
Caldari Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.06 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Th0rG0d Capt. Picard, go away, and never come back.
Make it so.
Originally by: CCP Shadow ...I cannot guarantee (my) sobriety or decency.
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Parad0x611
Caldari Caeye Assault Technologies Solar Assault Fleet
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Posted - 2011.04.06 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Parad0x611 on 06/04/2011 01:18:35 Hey Picard, I'm a fellow miner/indy player (on this toon anyway). CCP won't do anything to nerf ganks. The best thing you can do is find a corp to join who can offer some protection or move systems away from the gankers (i've only been ganked twice in 2 years where I am) Look for a low population system. You have all the same tools I have so use them.
OR - make an Alt for PVP and kill them ;)
On another note, this isn't WoW. You lose ships. It happens. But whining about it helps no one. If you feel you have been ripped off in some way, petition it. Im sick of going to the C&P/W&T forums and seeing a gank whine every 5 seconds.
EDIT: Spelling - dyslexic fingers for the lols.
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Varrik Kayne
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.06 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tralaloo Wow this guy is like really too perfect. Go back to Wow man, then you wont lose anything no matter what you do. Either that or open your eyes to what this game really is, cause your living in a fantasy world bro
QFT +1
To the OP: Through this thread, I was actually trying to find the slightest strand of compassion for you... but Alas, there's none... You really expect a long standing game, to change all it's intended working rules, for you?
Look at it this way... Any Noob, say under 6 months, goes through this Rite of Passage... And, I'm being completely serious here, as it applies to everyone. As you play and go through the trials of non-consensual combat, you learn to adapt or dieà over and over again. So people Man up and find ways to co-exist and counter/deal with it (Combat path or not) or they cry how it ruins the ôExperienceö for ALL noobs, which of course isnÆt true, because there are many who have proven to become Men of Eve and endure, develop and find their niche in the vast universe of New Eden.
You have the same choiceà Adaptà or go play WoW.
Yeah, thatÆs pretty much the brutal truth, but thatÆs the fun and charm of Eveà and we LOVE IT!
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Kryssare
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Posted - 2011.04.06 03:29:00 -
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Hello Kitty online -----> that way.
This is a game mechanic and works as intended. Now quit being such a whimp and man up.
Ok i raged. Suicde ganking is a big part of eve and if removed or made harder in the way suggested there'll also be a ton of people rage quitting, probably more then by not doing anything. Now let me give you some piece of friendly advice. Stop sucking so much. If you're afraid of getting ganked try to fit a gad damn TANK on your lousy mining ship.
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luvmehard
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 05:12:00 -
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Dear OP, here is a very special meessage from CCP to you and you only.
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akgrizz
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Posted - 2011.04.06 05:28:00 -
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first off get over it, it happens. you have two choices either quit or learn from the experience. i have been mostly mining and manufacturing for 5 months and ive been suicide ganked twice. the first happened because i didnt even realize it could happen. my fault ignorance was bliss, that was a wake up call. the second one was three days ago and it happened because i wasnt paying attn and i missed the 20 seconds leading to the attack. by the time i focused back on what was happening my hulk had 5 seconds left to live. and i lost 206 mil isk. was i ****ed you betcha, but it was my own fault. here is my former ship in all its glory my former hulk
you cant eliminate being ganked, but you can minimize the risks by realizing the fact that everyone in the game is a potential enemy, plan that way. its better to warp to safety then loose your ship. when you arrive and get set up in range of roids, align to station or a safe spot. first sign of an unknown pilot warp out. better to have an empty hold than no ship.
always do maximum insurance on ships, if you cant afford the insurance you cant afford to fly it. this helps you recoup your loss if it does get destroyed. train up your defensive skills and look for items to help you escape my new hulk for ex will have a warp stablizer on it, it increases my odds of escaping.
finally my advice is to find a corp to join that shares your values and u like and trust...ill never refuse a call for help from one of my corp mates and theyll never refuse mine.. theyll make the game more enjoyable and safer for you in the long run..
sorry for the long post but your doing it wrong, complaining about the behavior of others is asanine. the freedom to do what you want, when you want to is one of my favorite parts of this game, if it were changed dramaticaly id prob quit... learn from this.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.04.06 05:33:00 -
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You can always afford a newb ship.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.06 07:06:00 -
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*sigh* I really just want to let this thread die and such, then then I realize that some other poor nub will see this and scream "CCP, nerf ganking" or "I don't want to play this game anymore." So instead, I'm going to put my head through this brick wall...
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
oh because kill rights are really useful if your character only has industrial skills trained up ...
So your choices are thus: - train up some combat skills - get better at industrial stuff, make a lot of ISK, and hire some mercenaries - shrug it off as a loss and learn how to avoid it next time
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
plus he has more isk, ships, backup (im alone, look at his corp .. mostly harmless has a lot of members while im on my own and been playing a relatively short time)
Three things: - FIND A CORP. If you "prefer" going solo, that's fine. Nothing stopping you from doing that. HOWEVER, you do lose out on a good portion of the game (the "Massively Multiplayer" part) AND will find that you can't do EVERYTHING solo. - What's stopping you from taking down his/her name, waiting for a couple months for your skills and knowledge to develop, and THEN go and take your revenge? That's what I did against someone who scammed me in my early days in EvE. - Whatever underhanded things people do to you in this game, you can do back to them. You'd be surprised how often people fall for the same tricks they use against people.
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
yeah right because the people they pick are really able to get revenge - the whole point these griefers do it, is because they know we cant fight back
True. And no one will dispute this. However, you must understand that the game itself is rooted in the concept of "players versus other players" and that the "rules" are lose enough to enable people to be creative in how they do this (ex. "margin trading," "suicide ganking," "market scamming," etc.).
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
its pathetic to grief new players like this
It isn't considered griefing according to numerous DEVs, GMs, and players. Not unless they are singling you out time and time again for no good reason.
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
i raise legitimate issues that other players have risen before, and are suffering right now.
It's not a legitimate issue unless there is a problem to begin with. The suicide ganking mechanics are working "as intended." Now before you call me out and ask, "how do you know that?" let me tell you a little story;
Once upon a time, when EvE was relatively young, there used to be no high-sec. Instead, empire space was almost exactly like that of low-sec as it is now (only station and gate guns for protection). The community whined and CCP finally relented, giving EVE CONCORD and high-sec.
But CONCORD was weak and pirates learned how to tank the NPCs. The community whined again, CONCORD was buffed. The pirates adapted again and began to tank CONCORD again. The community whined again. Now you have CONCORD in its current incarnation. HOWEVER, the whole time CCP refused to give into the demand that high-sec be "completely safe" saying that would against the spirit of what they were trying to create (which was basically the "Wild West" in space)
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
i won't let this issue just be swept under the rug and be forgotten about - action needs to be taken, either by the community (that is a victim of this) or by ccp ...
You're crying into the wind. CCP won't do anything as this was how they [more or less] wanted things. The community (by and large) doesn't really care and will instead point and laugh (yes, even other industrial players).
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
griefing is bullying - you are not picking on other pvpers, it's cowardly
Again, your definition of "griefing" does not apply here. It's CCPs game and THEY consider it perfectly legitimate (within reason or course).
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foksieloy
Minmatar Universal Army
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Posted - 2011.04.06 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: foksieloy on 06/04/2011 07:31:29 I have created a "Gank Captain JeanLuc' Picard" fund.
Any player who ganks him, will recive a bonus from me equal to half the market value of the hull in question. Offer valid till the fund expires.
Bonus: additional 25% of the hull value if you provide us with any form of tears from him.
Reason: his superb mining is lowering my profit margins. I am definitely not doing this for griefing or tears. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Yarda
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Posted - 2011.04.06 08:24:00 -
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I can understand the frustration of what seems to be unfair. I tend to agree with most people here that losing ships like this is an initiation thing. Moreover, EVE would be dull if there was no risk involved. In my opnion games like WOW aren't really a challenge since you can't really lose anything and it's just a matter of how much and long you play. As you progress in EVE, you will notice these griefers are a minority. I too have lost a Hulk in the recent Hulkageddon. Which was truly stupid since someone actually opened up a convo to me warning that a large group of gankers was about to enter the system. He asked if I could warn all other miners as well. Like a true douchebag I ignored him.... and got ganked. Move out of the constellation or region you're in and try again somewhere else. Higer sec means less chance of gankers (remember: chance, not absence!)
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Silence iKillYouu
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.06 09:21:00 -
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U DED
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Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.06 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 06/04/2011 10:47:22
ok firstly thank you to all the people who gave constructive comments, tips and advice
i really appreciate it
to all the griefer losers in this thread threatening me ... get lost
i was emotional and upset at the time of writing this ... but you have made me change my view on this.
you're right, it is an initiation and i will definitely learn from this, and try to remember it's just a game and not get upset
thanks again peoples see ya
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WowThisGameIsAwesome
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Posted - 2011.04.06 11:32:00 -
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Actually all those people gave one good advice : try WoW. I decided to try it when I started training for capships a month ago and you know ... I'm not sure I'll get back to Eve even when Amarr Carrier is trained to level 5 . WoW is just plain better
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Kajan Tormen
Minmatar Blood Money Inc. The Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.06 12:22:00 -
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I'm not going to respond to all the whining going on here, however, one point came up in the discussion I want to emphasize:
kill rights are all but useless to an industrialist. So introducing tradeable kill rights would a) provide higher risk to criminals and b) support an actual bounty hunting profession.
(not that it would affect -10 outlaws like myself in any way )
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
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Posted - 2011.04.06 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kajan Tormen I'm not going to respond to all the whining going on here, however, one point came up in the discussion I want to emphasize:
kill rights are all but useless to an industrialist. So introducing tradeable kill rights would a) provide higher risk to criminals and b) support an actual bounty hunting profession.
(not that it would affect -10 outlaws like myself in any way )
I don't think tradeable kill rights are needed. I think it would be much better if kill rights were to go to a corporation rather than the individual. This would serve the dual purpose of letting people with actual combat skills get these kill rights while simultaneously providing an incentive for industrialists to join corporations and for those corporations to maintain an effective combat force capable of claiming them.
Heck it would even provide a potential revenue stream for lone wolf mercs to join up with a corporation long enough to go take advantage of a kill right (for a fee of course).
Because I do agree with the premise that kill rights are mostly useless to an industrialist since taking time to learn some combat skills undermines their interest in becoming better industrialists (there just isn't much in the way of overlap in skills between the professions).
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Freay Chrome
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:07:00 -
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So since no-one asked yet.. Can I have your stuff? |
Skex Relbore
Gallente Skexcorp
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Posted - 2011.04.06 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 22:13:42 Edited by: Captain JeanLuc'' Picard on 05/04/2011 22:09:56
Quote: It's why the 1st rule of EVE exists. Never fly anything you aren't prepared to lose.
and what if we cant afford anything ? ... when we have nothing left to insure our ships with and buy modules again ? - continuously losing isk and having to use cheaper and cheaper ships just to mine our way back up again to the ship we originally had ??
If that's the case then you already broke the first rule which is why you are in that situation at all.
Besides even if you screw up and lose everything you can always hop in a newb ship and use it to rebuild your wallet. Or go run the tutorials again for another faction (some decent rewards from running them). I mean a covetor is what about 10 mil isk maybe? That's a fairly trivial amount to make even for a new character. 3 to 4 million for strip miners a couple mil for cargo expanders and few hundred thousand for a small shield extender. So what 20-30 mil isk total.
Now if you actually followed rule 1 you wouldn't have even undocked that covetor until you had enough isk in your bank to replace it if lost or at least have understood that you were indeed taking a risk and would have had a fall back option.
For example I have a couple mission runner characters one is in a Navy BS and the other has a fairly pimped out Maelstrom if they got ganked I'd be a bit pressed atm for the liquid isk to simply replace them I could do it but it would effectively wipe out my existing liquid reserves. I still however use those ships. My fall back position is that I've got a vanila Domi and could easily afford a simple T2 fit Mael that would be effective enough to rebuild.
The thing to understand is that a ship is a tool in EVE. A disposable tool at that. You use them until you either screw up or get unlucky after which you figure out what ever lessons should be learned then peel another off the stack.
The suicider does the same he's going to have hangers full of ships and modules. He'll have done the math he'll know what his break even point and where he starts to make a profit. He has other less tangible costs to consider as well he'll have to maintain his sec status or use an alt in an Orca to bring in ships for his use.
He'll have to have at least 2 accounts to gank you one to do the ganking and a hauler to collect your stuff and probably a 3rd to scan you down so they don't have to waste time approaching you.
How do you protect yourself from this? You stay aligned and you warp out the second any ship that could be a threat to you lands on grid. Keep an eye on local and watch for outlaws and be particularly cautious if a large group of them are in system.
It also wouldn't hurt to avoid busy systems, Griefers tend to be lazy and spend most of their time in places with the maximum opportunities (read highest pool of potential victims) you aren't likely to run into problems in some out of the way system that no one operates in.
As noted elsewhere you can always join an industrial focused corporation which would provide you with experienced pilots to teach you the ropes you could end up in a WH or Null sec corp which would have more options to provide proactive security.
The question is can you get out of the victim mentality. Because if you can't then you really aren't cut out for EVE.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: Eladaris on 06/04/2011 16:09:44 TL;DR > The OP is really just bad.
He wants trade hubs to be completely safe areas, where suicide ganks can't occur. That's probably perfectly fine for other games... but you're crazy if you think that's how Eve Online works.
Ultimately he's just wayyy too scatter shot with his complaints. He complains endlessly about 24h old recycled alts doing suicide ganking, but wasn't ganked by one... He wants other player's to form up and protect him... when he can't even be bothered to defend himself, nor punish the guy who killed his ship. Heck... he isn't even in a Player Corp where his fellow corp mates could offer some tips like "Hey, Arnon ain't safe to AFK mine in".
CCP gives him 100% of the needed tools to go out and kill him. You've got kill rights on this guy for 30 days. Go train some of those magical 24h gank skills and return the favor. You didn't lose a hauler full of pricey stuff to a -10 pirate in low-sec... you lost it to a guy who probably feels perfectly safe in his hunting ground.
He's flying the cheapest possible glass cannon... his gank boat probably doesn't have much more tank than your miner.... and if you try to kill him... CONCORD won't defend him.
The ultimate irony?
So the OP's mining away in Arnon of all places. The FIFTH most popular system in all of Eve Online's 5000+ solar systems. If you've EVER bothered to look at the number of player ships destroyed there every hour you'll find it's typically over 15.... every 60 minutes. There's typically over a hundred people there at any one time. It's a trade hub for God's sake.
According to dotlan, 493 ships got destroyed there in just the past 24 hours.
Seriously? If you're flying a ship you can't easily afford to replace and that you can't possibly tank... Perhaps doing so in a VERY dangerous system isn't the best of notions?
Fly three or four jumps out, do your mining in a 0.8 or higher sec status system that doesn't suffer a ship kill every 240 seconds, m'kay? Most of the miner's operating in dangerous locations know what they're doing. They understand the risks, and they're willing to undertake them for the higher profits involved.
Or... you know... WoW. They have servers where PvP isn't allowed. That's probably much more your style. If you're playing in a risky area in a ship that's easily destroyed at least be smart about it. Or you know, go somewhere safe and deal with the added hassle of dragging your ore to market. You'll die a LOT less often.
If you want some legit tips... Find a quieter system... There are at least 4994 systems that have less people at any one time. Pick one. Find a belt that you're in solo. If ANYTHING warps in, be ready to warp out. If someone zips in and gets close to you, be in warp already. If THREE ships warp in, be sitting in the station before they even get a chance to look at your ship. And remember Eve's rule #1, if you can't afford to replace the ship... don't fly it. And apparently you really can't handle the risks of Arnon.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 16:48:00 -
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Here's an example of why none of the methods mentioned will stop suicide ganking.
Had a toon in the corp coming home to mission after cleaning out a WH. 2 toons went back to HQ, one went to jita and sell, then return to HQ with a Pirate BS BPC.
3 Jumps out the ship was one shotted and it dropped the BPC. 260 mil was paid for the BPC, market value was 300 mil.
Now, even if you gave him -10 status, made him pay for the insurance on the itty, and paid absolutely no insurance on his ship to begin with (assuming it wasnt his 1st gank), he would still make profit. 200 mil or so.
I totally agree that its not the same thing as when you get ganked in a mining vessel for nothing more than the "lulz". I have felt that pain as you have. Suicide ganked in a hulk by 9 "players" in ships named "jihad".
I am sorry to say that you simply cant remove the mechanic from the game as the gentleman in the former example was not abusing anything. It's a totally legit tactic for making profit.
The problem therefore is that some people are using the tactic as a tool for piracy and some people are using the tactic for griefing. Griefing is against the rules, but the definition is very ambiguous, and therefore almost impossible to enforce.
The time where my hulk was ganked was during the first hulkagheddon during my tenure in New Eden. I have subsequently mined during every single hulkagheddon since then and not been suicide ganked because I learned to take the threat seriously, and defend against it accordingly. You should learn to do the same.
IMHO it should be considered griefing if someone kills you 3 times for no profit. The only reason to do that is to harass you. .
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Morbidusk Yotosala
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Posted - 2011.04.06 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Morbidusk Yotosala on 06/04/2011 17:55:03 OP I do feel where you are coming from. As I am still mostly fresh to EVE. I've played plenty of MMO's FPS's amd just games built on pvp. So I know what it means to be ganked, caught out in the open or just plain griefed. One thing I must say now before going any further is that you will find no love from the people of EVE. In game or on forums when it comes to situations about griefing.
Most "vet" player feel like its part of the game and that ccp has no reason to change it and that is all fine and dandy, but that does not allow an EXPERIENCED player who ABSOLUTELY knows when he is griefing and when he/she is actually playing the game as a rl situation protrayed in game if that makes any sense.
The problem from the gank/grief is when people forget how to "gank" and only remember how to "grief". Its well within RP to use anything towards your advantage to insure your victory. Meta-gaming has its place in EVE unlike some other MMOs. You're going to have to thicken your skin and more importantly put away any sign of trust or respect for any other capsuleer.
When encountering a new capsuleer the first thought in yyour head shoud be your tactic on getting rid of them or escape. If you are not willing to kill and pod someone on first sight just because you dont want to come off as a **** then im sorry.
Once these grifers see that you arent just some push over and although may lose. You at least have the respect of fighting and perhaps if there are two possible ganks you might not be chosen for that fact. Edit: There are ways to put bounties on players. Get some money put out a bounty. It wont be paid out till it is fullfilled i believe. No sure how it works but if you can find a merc who is willing to put in some work for a fair share. I'm sure you can find someone to own the guy for a week for a good offer. |
Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.06 18:16:00 -
[38]
No, never put bounties on a player. Its the same as handing them the cash. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Proffesor Vaughn
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:00:00 -
[39]
My question is this.
Why would anyone ever name a character Captain JeanLuc' Picard and train them to be a carebear industrialist? |
Knokploeg
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:36:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Proffesor Vaughn My question is this.
Why would anyone ever name a character Captain JeanLuc' Picard and train them to be a carebear industrialist?
Why would you expect a trekkie to be anything but a carebear? If you cannot even handle a bit of excitement or conflict in your TV viewing, chances are you'll stick with the PvE content.
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Deuscariot
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Posted - 2011.04.06 19:41:00 -
[41]
Honestly,
I think the situation is quite the opposite. CCP needs to make it EASIER to suicide gank miners. After all - Miners were added to Eve to provide something for pirates to suicide gank. Right now, the difficulty level on this feature is too high. Possible solutions:
A. Concord provides pirates with bombs. B. Concord themselves suicide ganks Miners. C. When I attempt to suicide gank and it fails to kill the miner, I get kill rights on them.
Just a few theories. |
Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:07:00 -
[42]
you mined in arnon?
arnon, where a frozen corpse can be found outside the SOE station almost every hour of every day?
that arnon?
and you're complaining?
i am a carebear who has only heard "your security status has been lowered" in youtube videos, both of who's kills came when someone else aggressed me first. i cannot support your frustration because you mined in arnon, got ganked, and then (here's the one i really care about) complained.
best to stick to the higher hisec systems till you can fit a proper tank on the hulk. just having a couple hardeners wards off competent pirates and provides lovely lulz and tears from the incompetent ones. yes, tears. pirate tears have the best AU/gallon of all the tears. its better for the enviroment.
eve online is not a game designed to ensure all is fair. sometimes it seems that it is intended not to be fair. most people acept that as the game they paid for, and it shows that they like it when they continue payiing for it. you looked at last fanfest's population count?
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mmazing
Strategic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:17:00 -
[43]
Edited by: mmazing on 07/04/2011 06:17:17 Oh hai! Welcome to EVE!
Your tears sustain me.
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Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:20:00 -
[44]
The thing that angered me most about this thread is the fact that the OP has taken a perfectly decent character name and tarnished it most greviously. Captain Picard wouldn't be caught dead *mining*, and you know it.
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mmazing
Strategic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:27:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Kajan Tormen I'm not going to respond to all the whining going on here, however, one point came up in the discussion I want to emphasize:
kill rights are all but useless to an industrialist. So introducing tradeable kill rights would a) provide higher risk to criminals and b) support an actual bounty hunting profession.
(not that it would affect -10 outlaws like myself in any way )
Nonsense, there are plenty of people who sit around ****ing each other in Arnon (who have kill rights on me) who could easily pop my untanked Thorax or Catalyst while I am sitting outside of the station.
Not that I would really care ...
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mmazing
Strategic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:45:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Darryl Ward The only change they should make in regards to this is voiding insurance payouts for kamikaze gank ships.
Miners are supposed to be weak, that's why you should find friends.
Yeah ... I never insure my ships that I use to gank, I don't care if I lose money, or if the people being ganked will turn a profit.
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Veronica Dostovi
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:10:00 -
[47]
Listen Captain, you make a good argument but no one here will listen cause there sexualy frustrated nerds and think there above most players in the MMO market. Truth is most have been playing since the start and have a gagillion skill points and feel any change could hurt there ego and status in this game giving them less of a feel of being such a special snow flake. |
Chasity Lane
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:19:00 -
[48]
HAHAHAHAHAHA...Cry more carebears!!1 You feed my hunger with your Tearz!!
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Debrie
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:16:00 -
[49]
FYI - the higher the security status of where you mine , the faster the responce time of Concord , Mining in a 1.0 system moving lower n lower as your skills grow should help you avoid idiots that think "this is pvp and somehow makes the game unique"
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:22:00 -
[50]
"Eve is not supposed to look like a dark menacing universe, eve is supposed to BE an dark menacing universe" -ccp dev who's name I forgot
Learn from your mistakes and adapt, don't take it so seriously, consider doing something more fun than mining and in all cases get in a corp that can help you. Eve is an battle of knowhow and you're at the very bottom not really understanding the world around you.
gl hf, don't fly too safe.
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LinChow
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:29:00 -
[51]
to the OP: For half your ore, I'll protect you from gankers.
For all your ore... I'll gank you.
Let me know which option you prefer.
>>it's just part of the game<<
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Delphia Alandro
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:44:00 -
[52]
Keep aligned and don't fly what you cant afford to lose
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munitqua
Caldari BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 09:16:00 -
[53]
Quit mining, i have perfect hulk skills, the day i quit was the day EvE got 200 times better, PVP all the way!
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Da Jiling
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Posted - 2011.04.10 19:20:00 -
[54]
Feel your pain, however EvE is a sandbox where this kind of thing can and WILL happen.
Take the fight to the greifers... I have (ok this is an alt) but setting up greifers and then looting their gear is sweet sweet justice only matched by the delicous tears in local that follow.
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Sister Citadel
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Posted - 2011.04.11 04:52:00 -
[55]
This has been an interesting thread and while I do understand the original posters angst, no one has really focused on the ganker himself.
I have looked into his kill records and while at first someone may say "Hey this jerk just goes in with a cheap ship and blows up innocent miners in Covetors, Retreivers and well, even solo ganks Hulks in Highsec."
However it is not that simple. To begin with his account or "toon" rather is not a simple throw away alt. He has to have massive skills trained for this to work and after a nice spree of highsec kills (which has to be fun), he has to return to 0.0 and kill some major rats to get his security rating back up. So he can come back and have the fun he earned to with skill training. So, I support the ganker fully and congratulate him on finding just the right balance of skills to use a low cost ship to target what he wants, where he wants.
It would be interesting to know what skills he has. I suspect a lot of topped out L5's.
SC
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mmazing
Strategic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.11 18:32:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Sister Citadel This has been an interesting thread and while I do understand the original posters angst, no one has really focused on the ganker himself.
I have looked into his kill records and while at first someone may say "Hey this jerk just goes in with a cheap ship and blows up innocent miners in Covetors, Retreivers and well, even solo ganks Hulks in Highsec."
However it is not that simple. To begin with his account or "toon" rather is not a simple throw away alt. He has to have massive skills trained for this to work and after a nice spree of highsec kills (which has to be fun), he has to return to 0.0 and kill some major rats to get his security rating back up. So he can come back and have the fun he earned to with skill training. So, I support the ganker fully and congratulate him on finding just the right balance of skills to use a low cost ship to target what he wants, where he wants.
It would be interesting to know what skills he has. I suspect a lot of topped out L5's.
SC
You're completely right, *pop ships* -> *get sec status back* -> *pop ships* -> *repeat*
I just have too much money, I don't do it for profit, only for tears.
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Forum Troll Trolling
Forum Trolling Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.11 19:31:00 -
[57]
Originally by: rumn**** "Eve is not supposed to look like a dark menacing universe, eve is supposed to BE an dark menacing universe" -ccp dev who's name I forgot
Learn from your mistakes and adapt, don't take it so seriously, consider doing something more fun than mining and in all cases get in a corp that can help you. Eve is an battle of knowhow and you're at the very bottom not really understanding the world around you.
gl hf, don't fly too safe.
eve is not a dark menacing universe by itself, the GMs, Devs, players non-NPCs that inhabit eve make it that way
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Harkour Sensi
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Posted - 2011.04.11 19:34:00 -
[58]
I only read the first page and a half of this, hopefully you realised that you are in the minority.
Now I ask you to think about one thing fella.
If ships didn't get blown up, what's the ****ing point in mining?
Oh and HAHAHAHAHAHAHA the guy who ganks you, he is laughing at you and now so are we, you just fed the troll, good job son, welcome to the internets.
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Abacus Tegan
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Posted - 2011.04.14 23:04:00 -
[59]
No sympathy for the macrominer. We make a habit of blowing them up as well.
What has not been addressed is the skill set to suicide gank solo in a Catalyst.
Actually my alt is working on it.
Anyone willing to share recipes?
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Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.04.15 10:03:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Vaju Katru on 15/04/2011 10:07:46 Carebear tears
Their is no "griefing" in EvE, their is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, its part of the game, maybe you shouldn't be playing a hardcore PvP game...
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Lieutenant Brooker
Gallente THE DARK KNIGHT'S WARRIOR'S Something Posing As Meat
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Posted - 2011.04.15 16:23:00 -
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Personally, I don't see why everyone is getting so irate and griefing him on the forums as well. He only raised a legitimate question and some solutions to a legitimate topic. He has a very good point, it is ruining the game for some players who want to take the industrial route.
Like what he says or not, there's really no need to bone him on the forums lol. The BIG Lottery |
Tosser Galore
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Posted - 2011.04.15 17:42:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Tosser Galore on 15/04/2011 17:45:17 @OP
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.15 17:53:00 -
[63]
Edited by: J Kunjeh on 15/04/2011 17:55:03 I'm taking a hugely unpopular stance here, but I agree with some of what the OP is saying. Most of the responses make it clear that the poster isn't really considering the OP's questions seriously; I didn't read his post as him asking for ganking to be absolutely impossible to do and removing it from the game, he's just asking that CCP balance it out more. I agree that it should be more balanced, right now it's mostly in favor of the ganker.
As so many have repeated ad nauseum, NOTHING is safe in Eve...and that should include suicide ganking. It needs to be a more risky activity to engage in for noob and vet alike (right now vet's can do it mostly with impunity, especially if they're in a powerful corp).
~Gnosis~ |
Phillas Ekthour
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Posted - 2011.04.15 21:40:00 -
[64]
Originally by: J Kunjeh Edited by: J Kunjeh on 15/04/2011 17:55:03 I'm taking a hugely unpopular stance here, but I agree with some of what the OP is saying. Most of the responses make it clear that the poster isn't really considering the OP's questions seriously; I didn't read his post as him asking for ganking to be absolutely impossible to do and removing it from the game, he's just asking that CCP balance it out more. I agree that it should be more balanced, right now it's mostly in favor of the ganker.
As so many have repeated ad nauseum, NOTHING is safe in Eve...and that should include suicide ganking. It needs to be a more risky activity to engage in for noob and vet alike (right now vet's can do it mostly with impunity, especially if they're in a powerful corp).
I actually happen to agree with this. I'll happily engage on this with my main, but I think one of the OP points that's been overlooked is the fact that a lot of account recycling happens with the gankers because they don't want to risk anything with main accounts such as standing loss, etc.and it's a flagrant EULA violation to do so. I'm not sure how CCP addresses this, it's one of the things that makes SG a more viable low SP option for some players. I gank, and I know the risks and I accept the penalties as they are. I have a bit of contempt for people who just do it for the lulz. You have to grind for a while to be able to do it with impunity as well.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar Crimson Path Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.15 21:56:00 -
[65]
I too mined in Arnon back in my earlier days. However, I didn't do it in a mining barge or exhumer. Have you considered using an Osprey? It has enough powergrid to mount a decent buffer, especially if you use shield resist mods against the damage types you're being ganked by (which, if I'm inferring correctly, is kinetic and thermal from gank Catalysts). Also if you train up for Hornet EC-300 drones and set them on auto-aggro they'll probably jam the ganker upon the first shot (though I personally wouldn't trust the auto drone mechanics and would just target the suspected ganker and wait for him to shoot first, and then manually engage with the Hornet EC-300s). ------------------- The path which can be seen is not the True Path |
Captain JeanLuc' Picard
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:56:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Vaju Katru Edited by: Vaju Katru on 15/04/2011 10:07:46 Carebear tears
Their is no "griefing" in EvE, their is nothing wrong with suicide ganking, its part of the game, maybe you shouldn't be playing a hardcore PvP game...
i'm actually pretty much over the issue of suicide ganking, and accept it as part of the game now.
but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me
i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game
so i have to respectfully disagree with your comment and all the abuse aimed at me by trolls in this thread
there is 'griefing' in eve that crosses a line into real life issues ...
added to that i have seen a lot of people choose pretty offensive character names, corp names or bios just to further expound their biased views against a particular race, colour or creed in a very nasty way ..
but i'm willing to let sleeping dogs lie .. im fine with suicide ganking being a part of the game mechanics - it's been a learning experience for me
peace
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Xuthi
Minmatar FLA5HY RED The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:29:00 -
[67]
Quote: You are in for a short and very miserable experience in this game I'm afraid.
^^^
If losing a ship to a suicide gank upsets you, then your playing the wrong game.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:04:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me
A while ago someone did something similar on the forums. It offended me such that I'm now waiting til he "forgets" about me before I go out and blow him to bits a la suicide gank.
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
added to that i have seen a lot of people choose pretty offensive character names, corp names or bios just to further expound their biased views against a particular race, colour or creed in a very nasty way ..
Live and let be. Not everyone is going to be PC and some find it humorous to see others cringe at their remarks. Only thing I can say is ignore it. It isn't worth your time and energy to fret about such things. _______________________
"Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown |
jasper beamsalot
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.04.18 06:05:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game
Correct be if i am wrong but you have to bring your 'real life prejudices' into the game first before anyone can make fun/troll you on them in said game.
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mmazing
Strategic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.20 05:30:00 -
[70]
Edited by: mmazing on 20/04/2011 05:33:52 Edited by: mmazing on 20/04/2011 05:31:48
Quote: but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game
LOL, way to completely make stuff up ....
I didn't even TALK to you after I blew up your covetor, in fact, I never blew yours up, it must have been an alt.
How about you bust out your chat logs with some proof, or even bother to report me for nonexistent offenses?
PS : A gay racist ... I think that might be a first.
Edit : Although, I will happily make fun of any/all religions, not race however.
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Lord DarkStar
Gallente Diggers and Riggers
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lord DarkStar on 21/04/2011 06:20:19
Originally by: ShahFluffers \
A while ago someone did something similar on the forums. It offended me such that I'm now waiting til he "forgets" about me before I go out and blow him to bits a la suicide gank.
Myself im a miner, been away from the game for 3 odd years, interesting that there seems to be a bit more can flippers going on nowadays, my response? put my pvp skills to use (aka dusting them off too) and the next fool who flips my can? well if he sticks around to engage a poor defenceless miner who doesnt know how to pvp ... well .... :P
Now suicide ganking, its ok, but if he did spout racist things and so forth? Thats not cool, theres certain lines you dont cross in games and thats one of them. grief all you want, leave the world out of it is my opinion. (on a side note, i tend to make friends with those that grief me)
We of the Unicorn clan are the best horsemen in the land,our horses are our lives and brothers,we fight as one,we live as one,we die as one. |
lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:32:00 -
[72]
10/10
So many tastey tastey bites
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JitaBUGz TheGreat
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Posted - 2011.04.21 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder OP, simply move to another system.
Yup Yup, or join a true mining corp(they take all kinds of noobs) But they have orca support, most have some good pvpers. Almost any decent mining corp will replace ur ganked loss. They work further out from the main hubs, so finding a ganker out were they are at is very unlikly. Those corps, every now and then get war deced-and with this u can learn to fight back.
Just wait till u afk, and ur barge gets ganked leaving u afk in a pod. Then some turd just like me comes around and pops ur pod for being a not so smart personBy By Implants, and this creates all kind of nice hate mail!!
In short join a large mining corp, of learn to mine in systems that are quiet. Align is ur friend.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.21 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Belthazor4011 Edited by: Belthazor4011 on 05/04/2011 15:58:58 Concord equals cops, cops won't stop you shooting anyone IRL now do they? They just come after you and punish you as Concord does.
If they arrest you you'll be in prison for a very long time and your post prison life won't exactly be a bundle of laughs. In some places you'll get a death penalty; spend 30 years on death row until they decide to kill you. Thats if they do arrest you and not kill you in the process of stopping you shooting people.
In EVE all you get for that is a small sec hit and a bank payment.
I'm not seeing the parallels here.
I don't have a problem with suicide ganking but the fact the insurance pays out afterwards is daft.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.04.21 12:50:00 -
[75]
Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Belthazor4011
Concord equals cops, cops won't stop you shooting anyone IRL now do they? They just come after you and punish you as Concord does.
If they arrest you you'll be in prison for a very long time and your post prison life won't exactly be a bundle of laughs. In some places you'll get a death penalty; spend 30 years on death row until they decide to kill you. Thats if they do arrest you and not kill you in the process of stopping you shooting people.
In EVE all you get for that is a small sec hit and a bank payment.
+1 never understood how do people can equal Concord and RL police? this is completely different systems. Concord simply doesn't work.
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foksieloy
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.21 13:05:00 -
[76]
Solution is simple. Turn all of eve into lowsec/nullsec. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.04.21 15:02:00 -
[77]
Originally by: foksieloy Solution is simple. Turn all of eve into lowsec/nullsec.
simple solution != better solution
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Derrick Lang
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Posted - 2011.04.21 19:38:00 -
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I think the insurance company needs to be more discerning. Imagine trying to get your rl insurance to pay to fix your car after you crash while running from the police. Same should be true in eve. If you are killed by concord your policy should be nullified and not paid out. That is the ONLY change I would be willing to make regarding suicide ganking. Does it make it impossible to gank? No, just means you need to pick bigger targets. And in the case of a destroyer it means very little anyways.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2011.04.21 19:57:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard
but what i didn't mention - i was upset at the time because having ganked me the guy was being racist and prejudiced to me (he abused my race, colour and religion) ... i won't go into details or what he said, because that is between me and ccp who will hopefully deal with it ... this is what really made the whole incident worse for me
i feel it's unnecessary and inappropriate to bring real life prejudices such as these into any game? peace
Hey, idiot.....
He 'abused your race, color and religion?' This is an anonymous computer game. He shouldn't even know those things about you, unless you brought them up first, or posted real life info in your bio. That would make you a Grade A Moron, regardless of religion or race. In my opinion, you deserved what you got and thing your petition should be ignored and/or laughed at by the GMs.
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.04.22 10:20:00 -
[80]
All the covetors he killed were terrible fail fitted, a dc would have saved any of them.
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Debrie
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Posted - 2011.04.25 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Debrie on 25/04/2011 11:35:36 1) make a change so you get no insurance payout when "flagged criminal"
2) make the criminal pay max insurance payout possible to the victim (weather they had insurance or not)
3) if dont have the funds to pay the victim , make the charicter unable to be deleated EVER , and unable to pvp EVER untill payment is made (target someone activate guns "nasty noise gggnnn***k srry concord has blocked your weapon systems in accordance with criminal activities section 1105.425 subsection 2315.74 failure of payment of past criminal activities"
:p
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Apex Bex
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Posted - 2011.04.25 13:43:00 -
[82]
He said something to offend you, seriously?
This sort of attitude grinds me a bit. So what if you were offended. You know what happens when you get offended?
Nothing. Nothing happens. Man up.
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IGNATIUS HOOD
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Posted - 2011.04.25 15:41:00 -
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Ohh, you poor thing. realize this. Eve is a ***** mistress and her lessons are hard earned. use your d-scann, watch local, be aware of your surroundings and GTFO at the first sign of trouble. I have never been ganked in HS, now getting cornholed while clearing Sleepers in WHs, this I have encountered. Until you lose 150 million ISK in ship, fits, and plants becuase you were stupid and arrogant don't whine and. Buy another ship. Obv. If you're in a Covetor you're not really a n00b IMO. Spend the ISK learn Exhumers buy a Hulk and at least make it tough. Or like posted above, make some friends and get them to watch your back.
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Ji'kahr
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard
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Posted - 2011.04.26 07:05:00 -
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He abused your race, colour and religion?
Sorry, I don't get this either. At least not from a role-playing perspective.
I am an Amarrian involved in Faction war. Amarrians are religious to the point of being zealots, and enslaved the Minmatar (presumably) because they believed them to be an inferior race. Some of the Minmatar, such as the Brutors, are dark-skinned in appearance, Sebeistors seem to be oriental looking. That would make at least some, if not all Amarrians racist intolerant religious zealots. There was no help for the persecuted Minmatar for hundreds if not thousands of years until the Amarrians tried to enslave the Jovians, and got their lily-white butts handed back to them on a tritanium platter. This is the story line of EVE.
I can't stand racist religious zealots in real life. I wish they didn't exist at all. As role-play in EVE though, it's a fun role to play. It also gives my Minmatar opponents a role-play reason to seek me out and kill me. It makes it a little more fun for them too, I think. It provides a bit more meaning to Faction war than just getting kill-mails.
So really, abusive remarks about someone's race, religion and colour doesn't hold much weight in EVE. I mean certainly, if he was directing these insults to you as a person...but how would he know? Lucky guess? You also have to remember that there are a lot of 12 year old playing EVE. It helps to have a thick skin, or develop one.
I have an alt that does mining too, so I understand your frustration. However, EVE is all about 'helping yourself', even if that means joining a corporation of miners with Orca support, PVP skills, and a guard flying a battleship to protect against gankers. I almost got ganked as a miner once too, and I would have lost my Retriever if it wasn't for my drones (and CONCORD of course). My suggestion to you would be to train up your drone skills and get some tech 2 Hobgoblins. Expensive yes, but they should be able to handle pretty well any tech 1 frigate. Also, keep aligned and stay aware. If someone aggresses you, pull in drones, warp away to station. Dock.
Furthermore, you could make A LOT more money and learn a lot more by running missions than you can from solo mining.
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Choc talar
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Posted - 2011.04.26 08:30:00 -
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Try this: mine in a group with ORCA, set ORCA up to be able to tank a bit (its shilds are already pretty massive). Dock Hulk while Orca is warping, takes forever to get into warp anyway, undock with combat ships and enjoy the PVP.
My point is I do mine often with my corp buddies as we need the minerals to manufacture so we turn a profit, but we always do it in a group and always have protection. we also always have 1 really bored member sitting there for protection as we do this as a corp operation. You will always have the possibility of getting ganked, welcome to Eve! Oh, and always be aware of the tactical situation, if you see something dangerous warp into your belt it's probably time to start getting out of there anyway. We always keep a couple of ships docked in ORCA just for this reason.
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Lucson Eversore
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:46:00 -
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First let me make one point perfectly clear, I hate griefers. They play the game to ruin yours. They are also the first bunch to cry when someone does it to them.
With that said people get ganked. A couple of months ago a guy lost a 74 Billion ISK battle ship. Did he post anything about it, did he cry to CCP because his ship got blown? No. He knew what we was risking.
This game is unfriendly. It is unfair. It is as close to real life as an MMO is going to get. It is why I play it, and why it gets my blood pumping. If you want to go solo and be completely protected, then play another game.
CCP has set out a basic rule set and punishment. Accept it or move on.
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Battleship Bob
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Derrick Lang I think the insurance company needs to be more discerning. Imagine trying to get your rl insurance to pay to fix your car after you crash while running from the police. Same should be true in eve. If you are killed by concord your policy should be nullified and not paid out. That is the ONLY change I would be willing to make regarding suicide ganking. Does it make it impossible to gank? No, just means you need to pick bigger targets. And in the case of a destroyer it means very little anyways.
QFT
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Joseph Eisenhorn
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Posted - 2011.04.27 19:29:00 -
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Speaking as a new player myself (Still less than 1 mill SP) this is why I joined EVE! I want brutal, no interference player on player action! Oh and Picard is a chump, Kirk for life! |
morph1277
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Posted - 2011.04.28 04:25:00 -
[89]
i like tator tots
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evomad2
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Posted - 2011.04.28 12:16:00 -
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You can solo gank covetors with a trial alt in a destroyer in high-sec AND make a profit??
Wow, thanks for the heads up OP, sounds like fun
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