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CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die Shit.Happens	Posted - 2011.04.06 10:57:00 - [1] So there is a big uproar about the anom changes for upgrades, and how much its going to effect people. I am a little confused then.. Did we not ONLY A FEW MONTHS ago NOT have these in the first place? Before Dominion we did not have upgrades, and sanctums and havens at all! We had to just probe for some crappy anoms thats it!! Eve community coped very well for the past 7 years without these upgrades so why the big whine about it now? They havent god rid of them completely so your still better off than pre dominion. You whining because you may not be able to fleece your renters at 2 billion a month for a -0.01 system! thats the issue. OFF TOPIC : REMOVE MOON GOLD AND CONSTANT STREAM OF EASY TRILLIONS - THATS THE ISSUE! NOT SANCUMS AND HAVENS
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die Shit.Happens	Posted - 2011.04.06 11:10:00 - [2] Originally by: Galadriel Vasquez These anomalies - the Sanctums and Havens are they found my probing? What is the major issue that everyone is having about the change? Can some kind Pilot explain to me exactly whats happening? I have read alot over the last hour but cannot get a handle on this topic. Many Thanks. Sanctums and havens are created by UPGRADING your 0.0 sov system with Pirate Detection Arrays. Level 5 gives sanctums and havens like forever. Its a isk ATM machine. You also need terriotial claim units and Infrastructure hub (iHub) They can be scanned using standard ingame scanner. Large alliances have profited massively from this by renting out systems at least 2 billion ISK a month per system. Yet another constant easy money machine. Which they of course wont be able to quite demand that amount anymore. Hence the massive whine. So they want to get billions from rent, billons from moons, do nothing for it yet produce crap loads of supercaps have no consequence losing them because they can make hundreds more. Great eh? Just how eve should be
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die Shit.Happens	Posted - 2011.04.06 11:25:00 - [3] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Was longer then a few months ago. Try almost a year. Fair enough a year - still not long ago tho was it m8? There was nothing at all before this. This idea of 0.0 space not occupied is not correct, renters still existed ALOT. Atlas, PL, Bob had masses of renters, to name a few. But now renters have to pay billions, and your right logi and everything else, and support was just not going to help anyone. Small alliances/corps where never ever going to be able to move into 0.0 space without being a renter - ever. Because 0.0 regions are controlled mainly by stations, you dont have access to anything your stuck. Thats why no one moved their before. You cant live in these regions when you got a 2000+ man alliance removing your ihub and tcu in a matter of seconds, and there is nothing you can do about it. All that hard work and isk gone in an instant. Thats the issue.
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die Shit.Happens	Posted - 2011.04.06 11:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Galadriel Vasquez So a corp upgrades the PDA - whats to stop a guy flying in and soloing the complex himself? Apart from the obvious of course. Nothing... That's why you have to defend your space :)
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die Shit.Happens	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:03:00 - [5] Originally by: The Offerer Originally by: CommmanderInChief Did we not ONLY A FEW MONTHS ago NOT have these in the first place? Before Dominion we did not have upgrades, and sanctums and havens at all! We had to just probe for some crappy anoms thats it!! Eve community coped very well for the past 7 years without these upgrades so why the big whine about it now? Because many invested huge amounts of ISK to settle in and upgrade their new 0.0 home only to get a message "Sorry, folks. We were joking. You can't support your small alliance in 0.0 space. Oh, and btw... those upgrades and all the ISK you invested... they are kinda wasted now, but it's for your own good." I totally agree from a small alliance/renter point of view its another kick in the teeth. However i have no sympathy for the large alliances
CommmanderInChief Comply Or Die Shit.Happens	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:11:00 - [6] Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 06/04/2011 18:17:57 Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 06/04/2011 18:17:01 Originally by: Lt Pizi Originally by: Rrama Ratamnim the sad part is its not the big alliances that will feel this hurt as much as so many idiots think it will... Those alliances already control the FCKING TECH MOONS so have no need for anomolies for the most part... Anomolies were a treat to lure members otu of hisec into alliances that held space with them as a means to outperform level 4's and make personal wallets bigger... The issue with this latest change they are wanting to do is that the giant 100+ super cap fleet fielding alliances, will still hold the damn tech moons, they will just also shift slightly to grab the -1 to -0.5 systems as well... the only ones this hurts are the smaller alliances, that yes rented for 2B a month, but were more or less happy as they got some blue standings, they got some protection, they got anomolies they could offer to new members to run, and they got space they could hapily operate out of and defend and develop.... -0.1 to -0.4 are going to be WASTELANDS, ihubs and tcu's will drop and never go back up as who the hell will spend the 100m's to take a system and all the headache, to only be SC crushed for a system that never would EVER pay back the millions in upkeep each month without the necessary upgrades... mining you say? HA, mining in nullsec is better than hisec but still isnt a very good profession vs level 4 missioning and salvaging in safe hisec the fact is with these change HUGE SWATHS of space are now useless, billions of ISK in upgrades are now useless... and in turn huge amounts of ISK drains are now gone, because Concord is not going to be getting paid for all those damn -0.1 to -0.4 systems that used to be rented out to newer alliances. an 0.01 system can generate you 300b A MONTH if run 23/7 a tec moon does what ? 3b so any given 00 had the ability to replace 100 tec moons cant you see whats wrong in this picture?? firstly who the hell does sanctum 23/7! & days a week - or are you a botter then? You would need ALOT of people doing them constantly in Supers to make anywhere near that. 3 billion? Lol have you any idea how much a tech moon gives? lets do the maths 2400 units per day 30 days per month (avg) = 72000 72000 x 100,000 tech per unit! (im just using a nice roundnumber of 100K its around that in Jita) = 72 BILLION PER MONTH off one moon!!! so Venal - 70 tech moons = 5 trillion ISK per month!! for NC!! just in Venal are you fecking kidding me! this crap ^^ makes me soooo angry! and CCP nerf anoms to help balance it out...what a joke

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