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greenlee55	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:14:00 - [1] CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself.
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:17:00 - [2] CCP are giving us a full row of new plexes to run. There will indeed be less ISK made then before, but I do believe that the nullsec community will come to terms with it and adapt. And by the way, there are tons of threads on this topic around, why make a new one?
Empire Dweller	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:17:00 - [3] Good change, nerf the farmers.
Patient 2428190 DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:19:00 - [4] Are you upset my sibling? ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala.
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:19:00 - [5] Just for you OP:
Candar Beldrulf	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:19:00 - [6] Om nom nom delicious tears.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:19:00 - [7] Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. Dear god. Spelling and punctuation?
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. Dear god. Spelling and punctuation? He is not a native speaker - english is far from as easy as it seems.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:24:00 - [9] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. Dear god. Spelling and punctuation? He is not a native speaker - english is far from as easy as it seems. Neither am I.
Me Gusta	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:26:00 - [10] Op has a lame excuse, just because you joined a huge alliance doesn't mean you have to participate in fleet fights.
BlackSparrowHawk	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. Dear god. Spelling and punctuation? He is not a native speaker - english is far from as easy as it seems. Neither am I. WELL DONE!.... But not everyone is like you..
Horizonist Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet Yulai Federation	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:27:00 - [12] Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. Dear god. Spelling and punctuation? He is not a native speaker - english is far from as easy as it seems. Neither am I. Maybe show some understanding then? If you are not a native speaker I am sure you can recall at least one instance before you mastered the language, where everything you said/wrote sounded horribly wrong.
Fulbert Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.06 13:29:00 - [13] 0.0 existed before iHub anomalies? amirite? ____________________________________ Fulbert Industrialist - Casual Trader EVE Online, the best browser MMO of them all
greenlee55	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:00:00 - [14] Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:38 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:05 Originally by: Me Gusta Op has a lame excuse, just because you joined a huge alliance doesn't mean you have to participate in fleet fights. then you have never been a pvper in a huge allience because if you dont partisipate in CTAs you get kicked. Also im sorry i didnt add the little bits of periods and what not. go to college start your career and then whine about yourself this isnt a fing english class.
Kyo Haku Minmatar Gradient	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:06:00 - [15] Originally by: greenlee55 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:38 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:05 Originally by: Me Gusta Op has a lame excuse, just because you joined a huge alliance doesn't mean you have to participate in fleet fights. then you have never been a pvper in a huge allience because if you dont partisipate in CTAs you get kicked. Also im sorry i didnt add the little bits of periods and what not. go to college start your career and then whine about yourself this isnt a fing english class. Hi there, I'm someone in college who is starting their career. And I'm here to tell you that proper spelling and punctuation is important if you don't want to seem like a piece of ignorant trailer-trash who married their half sister with a meth addiction. That is all. :) -- "Far be it from me to stand in judgment. I prefer to sit." -Stephen Colbert
DjDangle The Fraternal Association of Killer Squibs Intergalactic Exports Group	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Candar Beldrulf Om nom nom delicious tears. lol! (Oh the memories........)
rootimus maximus Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:12:00 - [17] Someone should start a thread about this. It's not as if there were dozens already kicking around, some on the first page of the sub-forum index.
Ava Starfire Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:16:00 - [18] Originally by: greenlee55 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:38 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:05 Originally by: Me Gusta Op has a lame excuse, just because you joined a huge alliance doesn't mean you have to participate in fleet fights. then you have never been a pvper in a huge allience because if you dont partisipate in CTAs you get kicked. Also im sorry i didnt add the little bits of periods and what not. go to college start your career and then whine about yourself this isnt a fing english class. I dunno... seems pretty American to me.
The Offerer	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:16:00 - [19] Edited by: The Offerer on 06/04/2011 14:16:36 Originally by: Horizonist CCP are giving us a full row of new plexes to run. There will indeed be less ISK made then before, but I do believe that the nullsec community will come to terms with it and adapt. Yep. Confirming that flooding the market with DED loot will be good for your income as an individual.
Me Gusta	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:19:00 - [20] Originally by: greenlee55 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:38 Edited by: greenlee55 on 06/04/2011 14:01:05 Originally by: Me Gusta Op has a lame excuse, just because you joined a huge alliance doesn't mean you have to participate in fleet fights. then you have never been a pvper in a huge allience because if you dont partisipate in CTAs you get kicked. Also im sorry i didnt add the little bits of periods and what not. go to college start your career and then whine about yourself this isnt a fing english class. My main has been a lackey in the NC for about 5 months now, I've never been forced into a fleet fight unless something extremely urgent is happening such as the defence of a system near the area I am based, even then I usually join them willingly - something tells me your 'superiors' are being harsh on you. All in all I don't really see anything wrong with the nullsec changes, I see what CCP is trying to do and I fully support it.
Sarah Teladi	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:21:00 - [21] Ahh moar Tears! Cry moar my fat little 0.0 pubbies, just cause you'll have to actually pay for your accounts in future and not bot enough to run 6 accounts off plex
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:23:00 - [22] Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 06/04/2011 14:23:40 Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Is there some special reason why this should be the only MMO where you can solo high end pve? With WH & Incursions, CCP finally introduced cooperative multiplayer pve. Went better than I expected. If you want to suckle on the teat, well you will just have to suckle on the juiciest teats you and your friends can get at. You can't have everything. And by you, I mean you. You cannot have everything. You can have what you can win, but no more.
HeliosGal Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:23:00 - [23] what ccp really should do now is buff low sec 0.1 and 0.2 systems to be more about 30% below the worst 00 areas. Just to even things out a bit more
Suitonia Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:30:00 - [24] I don't think the Status Quo will change much at all, at the moment, most large alliances just install pets in their unwanted space which farm sanctums all day, I doubt that will change much, the only people really getting hit by this are the renter alliances who reside in crappy space, this change will make large alliances have a harder time holding massive swaves of space if anything, since holding a region for the sake of it is much less attractive when that region isn't printing out the occupants 100mil isk/hour. Currently the most pure ** constellation in the game can be turned into an isk printing machine, that incentives installing pets there, and forming large coalitions. Now that the space is bad, there is less incentive to hold if you're an alliance that has access to better space. And being a pet in bad space is also less attractive, freeing it up for "small alliances". Although they most likely will be siegeblobbed like before (no change). Also, bigger alliances will want better space and will end up floating toward the outward regions, like Tenal, which require more logistics/effort to reach, rather than sitting on all the entry points and preventing small alliances setting up in the far from empire space that requires lots of logistics to just have sanctums that the most constellation one JB from empire provides. All that said though, I don't expect much will change. Some Sanctum Bears will probably whine and return to empire, the rest of 0.0 will probably remain the same shape as it is now, only with maybe more concentrated ratting constellations and regions. There is currently no change to the Industrial upgrades, or the Plex and Wormhole upgrades, so alternatively, the space will likely be used to mine in or run complexes instead. I wish they made some of the terrible regions, like Pure Blind, actually have a decent constellation or something though, that way, there is a constellation worth fighting over in the region, some regions in the game are just pure ** and it would have made local pvp more attractive if there was one good constellation or a small group of systems which were actually good. TL;DR, not much will change, babbys will whine, the rest of 0.0 will adapt, expect complex loot to decrease in price. ---
Kharamete Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:42:00 - [25] Holding official sov is irrelevant to actual ownership of a system. ---
Aiwha Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:43:00 - [26] No, CCP has ***ed carebears. You'll either adapt, or go back to level IV missions buddy. (Or you could* do level V's in your fancy ratting nyx, but that would require risk to yourself) There's no such thing as overkill, only degrees of effectiveness.
Gustav Knuttsen	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:50:00 - [27] At the end there will be only two huge alliances. Like party in democracy - at the end only two will stay. Sure there will be bunch of others but they will be "plankton" on eve's political scene.
QFX Important Internet Spaceship League	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:52:00 - [28] for a moment i thought this game was made by ccp and everything in it good or bad would be all created by them. i was wrong 0.0 is not from ccp. "A man with no skills can be taught. A man with no honor, has nothing."
ILikeMarkets	Posted - 2011.04.06 14:59:00 - [29] Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 06/04/2011 14:23:40 Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Is there some special reason why this should be the only MMO where you can solo high end pve? With WH & Incursions, CCP finally introduced cooperative multiplayer pve. Went better than I expected. If you want to suckle on the teat, well you will just have to suckle on the juiciest teats you and your friends can get at. You can't have everything. And by you, I mean you. You cannot have everything. You can have what you can win, but no more. Because we are flying internet spaceships? Because this is already a niche game? Because we would rather EVE do its own thing and allow us to play as we want? Because we don't want World of Warcraft in space? Go play WoW if you want to raid. :-P
Long John Silver	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:02:00 - [30] I agree with the OP. Nullsec is now all about alliance willy-waving... my blob is bigger than yours etc. It was much better when we played cowboys and indians out there.
Sodomiss Gallente b.b.k Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:14:00 - [31] lol i remember before the dominion patch in provi there was no such thing as anomolies (well there were just as common as plex's though) back then we earned our isk chaining the belts, thats where the isk will be at now for the lesser alliances an 0.0 carebear usless **s bye bye thank i can only praise this new space although it sucks for my alliance developing in a **y sec region, but i look forward to this change. anyway im curious to see what effect this has. hope i catch more people in the belts :)
cilayin Amarr Ore Hogz	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:26:00 - [32] Do you even realize how much it takes having 1500 man fleet fights? WOW wouldn't even be able to handle that with all their billions of dollars in revenue with how it is now. Just sayin... It's simple. Just take the hydraulic phase shift emulator and attach it to the trans-dimensional photon emitter.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:30:00 - [33] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 06/04/2011 15:32:44 Originally by: cilayin Do you even realize how much it takes having 1500 man fleet fights? WOW wouldn't even be able to handle that with all their billions of dollars in revenue with how it is now. Just sayin... Well my question is: why advertise with it and enable it in-game if you can't deliver? Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. Why not just make a number of extra unconquerable 0.0 systems like in NPC space instead where all the non-alliance people can have some fun?
Bizmarhk Mafia Redux	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:40:00 - [34] Remember the days when you actually had to rat in 0.0 belts, and use a probing ship to find the good plexes? Yeah, EVE existed before Dominion, stop crying. MFRX (Mafia Redux) Recruiting PvPers specialized in small gang warfare.
Dixie Starbuck	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:42:00 - [35] Originally by: cilayin Do you even realize how much it takes having 1500 man fleet fights? WOW wouldn't even be able to handle that with all their billions of dollars in revenue with how it is now. Just sayin... Heck, WOW can't even handle a guild with over 600 players, how would they even handle 1500 players in a fight.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:45:00 - [36] The tears are soooooooooooo sweeeeeet! Here's the thing, most of you whiners were in 0.0 after apocrypha. Me, i remember when 0.0 had no sanctums or havens. The day cosmic anoms didnt exist. You know what? We still made money, we still blew up ships. Veteran of 0.0 circa 2007-2008 back when sov warfare was pos shooting!
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.06 15:49:00 - [37] Back when you young uns was in diapers, I remember 0.0 Sec, we had to get up at 4:00 in the mornin an mine them Ice belts before the sun came up and if we wasn't done fore that school bus came, Pa beat us with a stick! You know you Vets sound like your grandparents, right?
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.06 16:05:00 - [38] Originally by: ILikeMarkets Originally by: Gavjack Bunk Edited by: Gavjack Bunk on 06/04/2011 14:23:40 Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Is there some special reason why this should be the only MMO where you can solo high end pve? With WH & Incursions, CCP finally introduced cooperative multiplayer pve. Went better than I expected. If you want to suckle on the teat, well you will just have to suckle on the juiciest teats you and your friends can get at. You can't have everything. And by you, I mean you. You cannot have everything. You can have what you can win, but no more. Because we are flying internet spaceships? Because this is already a niche game? Because we would rather EVE do its own thing and allow us to play as we want? Because we don't want World of Warcraft in space? Go play WoW if you want to raid. :-P I can't even tell if you're agreeing with me or not and I don't want to sound stupid or perhaps overly knowing in anyway at all but if you want to solo a game's high end pve then guild wars is the game for you because all your team mates can be replaced with broken build AI bots that will literally do all the work for you and you won't ever have to really do much except run around and tell them what it is you want them to kill and yes I know it's a wall of text with no punctuation but I figured that seeing as making no sense was the business of the moment I should not do anything that might detract from that either way suck it up cup cake because the rules are changing as they always do and you can adapt or die as you see fit but coming to me and making no sense is not an option that is going to benefit you in any way at all perhaps you would like to think about that although frankly it occurs to me that you probably already did and got the wrong answer.
Eternus8lux8lucis Minmatar Whack-A-Mole	Posted - 2011.04.06 16:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Ioci Back when you young uns was in diapers, I remember 0.0 Sec, we had to get up at 4:00 in the mornin an mine them Ice belts before the sun came up and if we wasn't done fore that school bus came, Pa beat us with a stick! You know you Vets sound like your grandparents, right? Thats because at the speed the internet and technology changes they effectively ARE! Why I remember splash damage for MISSILES!!! And when ALL the gunnery skills stacked, small onto mediums onto larges!! Most people whine about things that changed from a day ago or a week. But some of us have been playing for a long time and seen a LOT of changes and guess what were still here as players and having fun in the game. 0.0 will survive and people will whine and Ill enjoy the tears from this game a lot more now than I used to. Its still just a fun game for me, a time sink for my life and its provided me with...yeah I actually figured it out and Im lowballing here about 8000 hours of game play time over the years. Theres a reason Im still here even though I get sick of it. *********************************************** Where do we go from here? When theres no up and no down anymore...onward....eve Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.04.06 16:43:00 - [40] Because this really needed another thread...
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2011.04.06 16:47:00 - [41] Originally by: Gustav Knuttsen Like party in democracy - at the end only two will stay. whether that happens or not depends more on your electoral system than anything else - first past the post-like systems tend to make life very hard for small parties but such system are only used in some countries and far from universal.
Jita Bloodtear	Posted - 2011.04.06 16:59:00 - [42] So when are level 4 missions being moved to lowsec? Endgame content shouldn't be soloable --------------------------- Full Explanation of the Industry Index System
Maximus Orillious	Posted - 2011.04.06 17:04:00 - [43] CCP strikes agian... This sucks... I suggest We all nerf CCP by dropping an account... Lets see how they like it... signed, 1 very unhappy customer
Ladie Scarlet GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.04.06 17:20:00 - [44] Originally by: Jita Bloodtear So when are level 4 missions being moved to lowsec? Endgame content shouldn't be soloable Now that Goons control the CSM we are working very hard to make this a reality. Soon Level 4 and Level 5 missions will only be available in nullsec, Level 2 & 3 missions will only be available in lowsec and highsec space will be limited to level 1 missions only. We understand that this change might sound scary to some players but you can trust us. The game will be much better.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.06 17:21:00 - [45] Every profession that I have done in EvE has been nerfed at least once since 2008. Mining, Industry, Bounty, Looting, Salvaging. If this patch makes you quit eve good riddance. I don't want your stuff as it is tainted with weakness. Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.06 17:23:00 - [46] Originally by: Jita Bloodtear So when are level 4 missions being moved to lowsec? Endgame content shouldn't be soloable If you think l4 missioning is endgame content you are truly a noob. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Gillaboo	Posted - 2011.04.06 17:58:00 - [47] Originally by: Me Gusta Op has a lame excuse, just because you joined a huge alliance doesn't mean you have to participate in fleet fights. I only stopped laughing because it hurts too much.... -------------------------------------------------------- This space For Rent.
Teranul	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:03:00 - [48] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Jita Bloodtear So when are level 4 missions being moved to lowsec? Endgame content shouldn't be soloable If you think l4 missioning is endgame content you are truly a noob. I lol'd. Also QFT
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:27:00 - [49] Seems to me that some long for "the good old days" of 4 years ago when there were half as many players, a big fleet was a few hundred, and a lot of skill points was 40-50 million. I am sure CCP wants more players. More players = bigger fights. you can cry about blob fest, but it is the nature of more players. I am sure CCP would love to break up the 2 giant coalitions of 10s of thousands of players, into hundreds of unaffiliated alliances of hundreds or maybe a few thousand players each. But, that flys in the face of human nature when faced with the prisoners' delima. We each do what is best for ourselves, not the whole. We'd all be best served if fleet fights stayed small. I am best served if I bring more than the other guy. So, fleet fights just grow and grow and coalition size just grows and grows since we're all trying to bring just a little more than the other side.... CCP has a real issue that is not going to be easily solved. How do they keep growing the player base while at the same time shrinking the number of ships in a big fight? I have no clue and I'm pretty sure they don't have a clue either. To be long-term successful as a company CCP has to ensure it is impossible to "win" the game. At the same time, the 2 ubber powerful coalitions that control most of the most valuable resources have in effect already "won". There need to be resources valuable enough to fight over, while not making those resources so valuable that once obtained you are in aposition of such wealth and power that you have 'won'.
Jack Gilligan Black Serpent Technologies R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.04.06 18:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Empire Dweller Good change, nerf the farmers. No, what they've done is nerf the HONEST players, and handed the farmers, botters, and ISK sellers a gift.
Gerit Trave	Posted - 2011.04.06 21:07:00 - [51] Originally by: Horizonist Originally by: Ava Starfire Neither am I. Maybe show some understanding then? If you are not a native speaker I am sure you can recall at least one instance before you mastered the language, where everything you said/wrote sounded horribly wrong. I am a native speaker and most of what I say or write still sounds horribly wrong
Azureite Amarr Special Forces Operation Detachment Delta The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:12:00 - [52] Get out while you still can!
aehric Gallente Stones Inc. Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:19:00 - [53] Adapt.
Mattias Kerensky Minmatar The Flying Tigers United Front Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:25:00 - [54] Folks who've lived in 0.0 from before there was all this Ihub sanctum grinding crap are rolling at the whiners right now. old man voice Why, when I first moved to 0.0, we had to rat in belts all day and we had to share 20 belts between 5 different corps and very rarely did we find a complex, also, nobody even knew what sanctums were! Kids these days!
Ioci Gallente Morrigna Order	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:31:00 - [55] Belt ratting was always better. More Meta 4's, more faction spawns. Buff Belt Chaining? Sure, sounds good.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:32:00 - [56] Who the **** cares what you pussies out in 0.0 are complaining about, I got tats.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:34:00 - [57] Won't more handfuls of friends just opt to join super duper size established corp with access to good space and do their own thing within it instead of joining a smaller sorta goofy-fun alliance without any easy space to fund the friends pvp roams from? Seems like the change pushes people more into ever larger corps/alliance instead of the stated purpose of giving people a reason to go after those corps/alliances
Tarasina	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Long John Silver I agree with the OP. Nullsec is now all about alliance willy-waving... my blob is bigger than yours etc. It was much better when we played cowboys and indians out there. Cowboys and Indians? You mean you had guns and the opposition had arrows? :P
Dr Richard Dawkins	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:46:00 - [59] Crap players will filter out, whomever remains will have higher stakes to fight for. Doesn't solve the problems of alliance blobbage, but nothing will short of castrating moon goo, removing supercaps, and massive sov. mechanic changes will do anything about that.
Receg Demon Theory	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:47:00 - [60] Wormhole space best space. ----- We all have a photographic memory, it's just some of us don't have film.
Ensign Planet	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:47:00 - [61] Originally by: Ava Starfire Originally by: Horizonist english is far from as easy as it seems. Neither am I. Heh.
ZeroZero Crybabies	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:49:00 - [62] Ah, so this is where the cool kids are hanging. Gotta love these threads.
Jackson Millenius Caldari Nomad LLP Wayfarer Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2011.04.06 22:57:00 - [63] Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. There are many more ways in eve to make isk than running havens and sanctums. Ya they give a nice boost to your wallet after a few hours, but its so damn boring . I haven't ratted much at all lately which explains why I don't have a billion+ isk in my wallet like some other people. I think it's kind of a good thing in a way. It'll make it easier to get rid of useless people.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.04.06 23:12:00 - [64] Originally by: Jackson Millenius Originally by: greenlee55 CCP is tring to make this game to were you have to be in a huge 0.0 allience in order to do any type of high end anoms. Sure all the mining carebears arnt affected. but what about the people who can not stand the HUGE LAG fest that eve has to offer the large fleet fights. CCP is attempting to get more people in 0.0 yet there servers can not support the load of the 1500 man fleet fights that they are attempting to brew out of this last. CCP your way ahead of yourself. There are many more ways in eve to make isk than running havens and sanctums. Ya they give a nice boost to your wallet after a few hours, but its so damn boring . I haven't ratted much at all lately which explains why I don't have a billion+ isk in my wallet like some other people. I think it's kind of a good thing in a way. It'll make it easier to get rid of useless people. I've found all anomolies ,, ratting, missions etc an incredible ISK loser in terms of opportunity cost... but I like trading.... I also like posting on forums which costs me even more isk. In the end, the game is about fun... I have some friends in the game that I love joking around with, spending my evenings on ts with them as we roam aroudn looking for targets ... I can trade on a second or third client while doing that..when i feel like .. but they don't. They ***** about paying for their ships... it takes them a hell long time as it is running sanctums in a casual way between fleets... it will take away from my fun in the game if they play less. it will take away from my fun in the game if they aren't availble to fleeet up because they need to make isk in empire or in some far corner of 0.0 with low real sec status. If we had a change that was going to put a lot of small roaming gangs into the game because of the change,, that might be worth making it harder to make isk for my buddies... with smaller gangs instead of mega fleets they could have lols with t1 cruisers , interecepters etc.. too... or more likely have some sucess with that ...but this change doesn't seem aimed at making more fractured warefare with smaller groups... it just acerbates focus on fewer systems. If the change doesn't make it a lot more fun for more people than it turns off ... well ... whats the real point? entertainment? or sorta some meta axe to grind ... don't like naps so damn it we'll keep throwing odd stuff at it till something sticks... ...losing track of the saw of almost all sucessfull businesses "the customer is always right"... if you don't give customers what they want you have fewer and fewer customers
LHA Tarawa	Posted - 2011.04.07 00:32:00 - [65] Originally by: Diomedes Calypso If we had a change that was going to put a lot of small roaming gangs into the game because of the change,, that might be worth making it harder to make isk for my buddies... with smaller gangs instead of mega fleets they could have lols with t1 cruisers , interecepters etc.. too... or more likely have some sucess with that ...but this change doesn't seem aimed at making more fractured warefare with smaller groups... it just acerbates focus on fewer systems. Great idea. What is your proposal? I have no clue how to make blob!=win. I don't think CCP does either.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.04.07 00:37:00 - [66] Originally by: LHA Tarawa Originally by: Diomedes Calypso If we had a change that was going to put a lot of small roaming gangs into the game because of the change,, that might be worth making it harder to make isk for my buddies... with smaller gangs instead of mega fleets they could have lols with t1 cruisers , interecepters etc.. too... or more likely have some sucess with that ...but this change doesn't seem aimed at making more fractured warefare with smaller groups... it just acerbates focus on fewer systems. Great idea. What is your proposal? I have no clue how to make blob!=win. I don't think CCP does either. I don't have any easy answers... but basically, I'd be looking to add, not subtract,, for a carrot, not a stick, for a win win situation ... If I figured there was something that had a pretty good chance of not working but would affect a bunch of people adversely, i'd keep looking until I found something else to take a risk on.. zero sum thiking just isn't for me...
Iniquita B0rthole Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.07 01:05:00 - [67] Originally by: Horizonist CCP are giving us a full row of new plexes to run. There will indeed be less ISK made then before, but I do believe that the nullsec community will come to terms with it and adapt. And by the way, there are tons of threads on this topic around, why make a new one? Except entrapment arrays require military index in order to be installed/function. And with this truesec change you will not be able to maintain a decent enough military index in most of your systems to use these upgrades either.

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