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Cedar Locus Superfission 10	Posted - 2011.09.27 10:49:00 - [1] - Quote looking at the number of players on http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility it looks like eve is dying also with the wod thing.... It's kinda unsettling, so....am i missing something? some great stuff coming up? wtf (also, fix the ******* forum you fucktards. postings shouldnt dissapear....)
Ghost Resonance State War Academy Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.09.27 10:51:00 - [2] - Quote I'll give you a 1/10 for actually escaping the wordfilter. Good job i guess?
Signal11th 57	Posted - 2011.09.27 10:54:00 - [3] - Quote Cedar Locus wrote: looking at the number of players on http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility it looks like eve is dying also with the wod thing.... It's kinda unsettling, so....am i missing something? some great stuff coming up? wtf (also, fix the ******* forum you fucktards. postings shouldnt dissapear....) No, Eve is not dying a few botters got kicked, some peoples machines blew up after CQ and the rest have spontaneously combusted after moaning too much on the forums. Eve is still Eve and always will be. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster.
non judgement Evolved from the Wreck Flying Burning Ships Alliance 19	Posted - 2011.09.27 10:59:00 - [4] - Quote A few people here been hitting the hard stuff? I didn't think it was possible to moan too much on the forums.
Desert Ice78 Gryphon River Industries R-I-P 4	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:00:00 - [5] - Quote What I found interesting is that as soon as Eve really started to go into terminal decline this year, all the "Eve is dying" threads suddenly dried up! Why is that me wonders...... I am a Pod Pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1109/Hostile-Takeover-by-Marek-Okon[1].jpg
Chuc Morris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:02:00 - [6] - Quote Yes, in 2012. And you, me, him, her every one will die !!!!! Unless Dr O of course.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum 96	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:04:00 - [7] - Quote Desert Ice78 wrote: What I found interesting is that as soon as Eve really started to go into terminal decline this year, all the "Eve is dying" threads suddenly dried up! Why is that me wonders...... Cause before it was more a joke/meme. Now its a actual possibility, so its just sad and its not even funny.
Mart Allini Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire 6	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:04:00 - [8] - Quote Another eve is dying is thread. yawn More importantly: am I the only one that finds it weird that eve-offline charts time going from right to left. I've seen many charts in my life, and its the first time I've seen it done like that.
Barricade Dark 39	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:04:00 - [9] - Quote In my experiance getting rid of the rif raf nerd rage population that is always on the fence ready to quit the game over every small offense is a good thing. So I would say quite the oppossite, Eve is going to be living better once enough people quit, in particular people who get their rocks off on posting stupid ** like you. Traditionally this happens for three reasons. 1. Its a wake up call to the Devs to get their together. When the numbers drop, investors start calling and they want to know why they are making less money. The Devs will investigate and instead of the cry babies (like you) they will have their core audiance guiding them. 2. Like the American economy and any inflated system, when it grows to large it becomes broken. Eve isn't broken because the mechanics are not good, its broken because their are two many *** people and the game (while technically can carry them) cannot support them via its game mechanics infastructure. Their is too much of everything because their are too many people. 3. Old Games Need Maintenance: The problem with Eve is that its a old game that CCP is trying to keep fresh. So they are still trying to do the whole visionary thing by moving forward. Its too late for that. Eve is now an aged game and it needs to go into maintenance mode where the Devs focus on fixing long standing bugs, fixing up mechanics with existing issues and focusing on the game play elements on which the game is founded (like flying in space). When people start quiting, if enough do, they will go into maintenance mode and stop ***** around (though just want to say thanks for the character creation tool in Incarna, I think I got myself to look like Wesley Snipes as intended) So there ya have it. Go on and quit.. the more quit the better.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum 96	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:05:00 - [10] - Quote Mart Allini wrote: Another eve is dying is thread. yawn More importantly: am I the only one that finds it weird that eve-offline charts time going from right to left. I've seen many charts in my life, and its the first time I've seen it done like that. How dare you question the Veldspar God Chribba.
Headerman Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx 114	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:07:00 - [11] - Quote I like the part where the OP creates a thread and doesn't come back [img]http://i53.tinypic.com/bebnf8.jpg[/img]
Signal11th 57	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:08:00 - [12] - Quote Headerman wrote: I like the part where the OP creates a thread and doesn't come back You've not been a forum warrior long I take it?? God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster.
Cedar Locus Superfission 10	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:13:00 - [13] - Quote Headerman wrote: I like the part where the OP creates a thread and doesn't come back still here, just waiting to here some reassuring words
Cedar Locus Superfission 10	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:16:00 - [14] - Quote Barricade Dark wrote: In my experiance getting rid of the rif raf nerd rage population that is always on the fence ready to quit the game over every small offense is a good thing. So I would say quite the oppossite, Eve is going to be living better once enough people quit, in particular people who get their rocks off on posting stupid ** like you. Traditionally this happens for three reasons. 1. Its a wake up call to the Devs to get their together. When the numbers drop, investors start calling and they want to know why they are making less money. The Devs will investigate and instead of the cry babies (like you) they will have their core audiance guiding them. 2. Like the American economy and any inflated system, when it grows to large it becomes broken. Eve isn't broken because the mechanics are not good, its broken because their are two many *** people and the game (while technically can carry them) cannot support them via its game mechanics infastructure. Their is too much of everything because their are too many people. 3. Old Games Need Maintenance: The problem with Eve is that its a old game that CCP is trying to keep fresh. So they are still trying to do the whole visionary thing by moving forward. Its too late for that. Eve is now an aged game and it needs to go into maintenance mode where the Devs focus on fixing long standing bugs, fixing up mechanics with existing issues and focusing on the game play elements on which the game is founded (like flying in space). When people start quiting, if enough do, they will go into maintenance mode and stop ***** around (though just want to say thanks for the character creation tool in Incarna, I think I got myself to look like Wesley Snipes as intended) So there ya have it. Go on and quit.. the more quit the better. this hardly makes sense, i think you're delusional
Mirime Nolwe APOCALYPSE LEGION The Devil's Warrior Alliance 4	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:17:00 - [15] - Quote The game wont die but surely is declining, quality and population wise. The thing in EVE that really dying is this forum, not because the recent change but because the most people that post on it. This is far from the forum i knew at 2007/09/10, we always had trolls, its impossible to prevent and eliminate that but atm is unbearable.
Brooks Puuntai Nomadic Asylum 96	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:18:00 - [16] - Quote Barricade Dark wrote: 1. Its a wake up call to the Devs to get their ** together. When the numbers drop, investors start calling and they want to know why they are making less money. The Devs will investigate and instead of the cry babies (like you) they will have their core audiance guiding them. If the "cry babies" you are talking about are those who have been in a uproar over the recent changes, direction, and lack of development then I believe you have who the "core audience" backwards. The ones who are vocal about CCPs mistakes are usually the ones who actually care about the game more then those who stay quiet and let it go under. Quote: 2. Like the American economy and any inflated system, when it grows to large it becomes broken. Eve isn't broken because the mechanics are not good, its broken because their are two many *** people and the game (while technically can carry them) cannot support them via its game mechanics infastructure. Their is too much of everything because their are too many people. Eve is broken because Eve mechanics are broken. Its not just because Eve is inflated, there are many things that actually do BETTER when theres inflated numbers(FW for example), however because of fail development and broken mechanics it actually draws people away from it. Also if a system doesn't scale based off of numbers then it is broken, unless CCP developed Eve to have a population cap they should have planned for raising numbers. Quote: 3. Old Games Need Maintenance: The problem with Eve is that its a old game that CCP is trying to keep fresh. So they are still trying to do the whole visionary thing by moving forward. Its too late for that. Eve is now an aged game and it needs to go into maintenance mode where the Devs focus on fixing long standing bugs, fixing up mechanics with existing issues and focusing on the game play elements on which the game is founded (like flying in space). When people start quiting, if enough do, they will go into maintenance mode and stop ***** around (though just want to say thanks for the character creation tool in Incarna, I think I got myself to look like Wesley Snipes as intended) This is another fail ideology. While Eve is a somewhat old game as far as MMOS go, Eve being in a niche market as well as being a sandbox means that age really doesn't matter. Eve is not a standard MMO where once you get the level cap up high enough and released enough dungeons that things start to become redundant and its time to move on.. Eve could easily survive for 8 more years and continue to rise in subs. This would however cause CCP to actually start polishing up the actual core features of the game as well as add more content to keep things fresh. Eve is far from needing to be placed in maintenance mode. However it seems CCP has a similar ideology and is causing its own downfall.
Naradius DEATHFUNK 4	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:18:00 - [17] - Quote Cedar Locus wrote: Headerman wrote: I like the part where the OP creates a thread and doesn't come back still here, just waiting to here some reassuring words You'll need a Dev Blog for that, with some actual content, that actually delivers the promises it makes...not going to happen any time soon. One of the "rabble brigade". Rabble of the World UNITE!
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 53	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:20:00 - [18] - Quote Signal11th wrote: No, Eve is not dying a few botters got kicked, some peoples machines blew up after CQ and the rest have spontaneously combusted after moaning too much on the forums. Eve is still Eve and always will be. Someone is in denial. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Signal11th 57	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:20:00 - [19] - Quote Mirime Nolwe wrote: The game wont die but surely is declining, quality and population wise. The thing in EVE that really dying is this forum, not because the recent change but because the most people that post on it. This is far from the forum i knew at 2007/09/10, we always had trolls, its impossible to prevent and eliminate that but atm is unbearable. Self-fulfilling prophecy unfortunately, CCP wanted more players without doing a obligatory IQ test and boy did we get them! God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster.
Signal11th 57	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:21:00 - [20] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Signal11th wrote: No, Eve is not dying a few botters got kicked, some peoples machines blew up after CQ and the rest have spontaneously combusted after moaning too much on the forums. Eve is still Eve and always will be. Someone is in denial. Sorry can't resist it, No i'm not Egyptian! God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster.
Tallian Saotome Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension 72	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:27:00 - [21] - Quote Cedar Locus wrote: Headerman wrote: I like the part where the OP creates a thread and doesn't come back still here, just waiting to here some reassuring words You won't get any. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/`
Graic Time Sync 2	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:34:00 - [22] - Quote Mart Allini wrote: Another eve is dying is thread. yawn More importantly: am I the only one that finds it weird that eve-offline charts time going from right to left. I've seen many charts in my life, and its the first time I've seen it done like that. Try this
Gregor Palter 65	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:35:00 - [23] - Quote EVE isn't dying, she's just been neglecting me for a few years and has been seeing two other men in the mean time. It's always been a roller coaster relation but I've been able to deal with that, right now I'm not entirely sure we're still a couple and I get the feeling that she doesn't have a clue on it either so she can continue to let it fester some more resulting in a lot of door slamming, heated arguments and probably ending in some retraining orders, OR she can choose for me without holding back or the need for "ifs and buts", no secrets. If she decides to choose me then it's going to take a long time for her to win back my trust for us to move on but whatever her choice may be she better do it fast cause I won't wait forever. either way, she better make me some damn sammiches right now.
J Kunjeh 78	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:37:00 - [24] - Quote Ohhh nooooes...another Eve is Dying thread.... OP is about 3 months late to the most recent Eve is Dying party. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á
Evylinn Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.09.27 11:39:00 - [25] - Quote Cedar Locus wrote: eve is dying Google WoW is dying and see how far back you can go. Infact replace WoW for any successful MMO wtf Cedar Locus wrote: (also, fix the ******* forum you fucktards. postings shouldnt dissapear...) Actually this one probably should
Chuc Morris Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1	Posted - 2011.09.27 12:11:00 - [26] - Quote Signal11th wrote: Headerman wrote: I like the part where the OP creates a thread and doesn't come back You've not been a forum warrior long I take it?? He's training
Tyrnaeg en Varche 37	Posted - 2011.09.27 12:21:00 - [27] - Quote Graic wrote: Mart Allini wrote: Another eve is dying is thread. yawn More importantly: am I the only one that finds it weird that eve-offline charts time going from right to left. I've seen many charts in my life, and its the first time I've seen it done like that. Try this OMG -- EVE is dying every day from 12:00 to 13:00... and then it comes to life again at 14:00. spooky
Apollo Gabriel Mercatoris Etherium Cartel 43	Posted - 2011.09.27 12:24:00 - [28] - Quote The time axis is backwards, the rightside is the past, the leftside is the now
Ana Vyr 65	Posted - 2011.09.27 14:27:00 - [29] - Quote 2012 will be an interesting year for the game. I predict that Bioware's new game wil pull a bunch of folks out of EvE for a while till they get bored of the themepark. I expect EvE to survive this period, but its gonna be hard on CCP's pocketbooks unless folks stay subbed while they play with laser swords. I expect many folks would unsub their alt accounts and maybe keep a main account running during this time. It makes me wonder if CCP smells this in the wind, and that's the reason for them focussing so hard on their other MMO title (WoD) right now.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Republic University Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2011.09.27 14:45:00 - [30] - Quote Eve's been dying since the day the forums were implemented.
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 59	Posted - 2011.09.27 14:49:00 - [31] - Quote Desert Ice78 wrote: What I found interesting is that as soon as Eve really started to go into terminal decline this year, all the "Eve is dying" threads suddenly dried up! Why is that me wonders...... Because the people that posted the threads walked away for a couple months and now that a new expansion is coming those same players are logging back in with the same old rhetoric. Capitals (Balancing and Roles)
Cipher Jones 45	Posted - 2011.09.27 15:25:00 - [32] - Quote I was playing the weekend before last and noticed the PCU was up. I was playing this past weekend and noticed the PCU was up. I've been coming to the forums since '09 and there has beenan eve is dying thread every day. I looked at the chart you posted and noticed there were about a dozen drops in PCU since the begining. I looked on eve search and there have been "eve is dying" threads since the begining. The only logical conclusion is that eve is dying. Next poster can have my stuff. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.
Alxea U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate 29	Posted - 2011.09.27 15:36:00 - [33] - Quote
Alxea U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate 29	Posted - 2011.09.27 15:39:00 - [34] - Quote
Alxea U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate 29	Posted - 2011.09.27 15:39:00 - [35] - Quote Alxea wrote: [quote=Cedar Locus]looking at the number of players on http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility it looks like eve is dying also with the wod thing.... It's kinda unsettling, so....am i missing something? some great stuff coming up? wtf (also, fix the ******* forum you fucktards. postings shouldnt dissapear....) WTF are you talking about? The max today was 40k players. Average amount on every day
Alxea U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate 29	Posted - 2011.09.27 15:42:00 - [36] - Quote Tyrnaeg en Varche wrote: Graic wrote: Mart Allini wrote: Another eve is dying is thread. yawn More importantly: am I the only one that finds it weird that eve-offline charts time going from right to left. I've seen many charts in my life, and its the first time I've seen it done like that. Try this OMG -- EVE is dying every day from 12:00 to 13:00... and then it comes to life again at 14:00. spooky
Psychophantic 35	Posted - 2011.09.27 16:01:00 - [37] - Quote Still steadily dropping since Incarna. I'll wager that while they're maintaining their new player turnover / retention there's a lot of disgruntled older players getting fed up with the broken promises and "soon". At least the "but it's summer, that's why its dropping, everyone's on holidays" argument has fallen by the wayside.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 340	Posted - 2011.09.27 16:26:00 - [38] - Quote String of underwhelming expansions, endless delays of cool stuff, replacing functional borderline decent stuff with wannabe cool semi-functional (or non-functional) junk, long-standing gameplay balance issues, focus on frivolous matters, MISGUIDED AND/OR DISCONNECTED-FROM-REALITY CCP LEADERSHIP RANKS... ...ok, EVE is not about to become dead too soon, but it's certainly in a noticeable decline, and that decline might be accelerating in spite of half-assed appeasement "damage control" attempts. More and more people stop believing the hype and adopt a "I'll believe it when I SEE it" attitude, with optional "and maybe I'll be back then" cancellations. I, for one, kinda' stopped caring TOO much. I still care a little, but less and less every day. I'll stick around until they close the doors though, because sadly everything else sucks even more. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Lord Wiggin Furian Necromongers 7	Posted - 2011.09.27 16:30:00 - [39] - Quote Desert Ice78 wrote: What I found interesting is that as soon as Eve really started to go into terminal decline this year, all the "Eve is dying" threads suddenly dried up! Why is that me wonders...... Perhaps the people that care unsubscribed?
Froz3nEcho Sarain Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 91	Posted - 2011.09.27 17:06:00 - [40] - Quote The only thing I see is a decline in players because of the summer and some people might have unsubbed some alts because of the eurocrisis. Cause it is the same graph as the year before. ~ When everything fades away, an echo is the only sound that will remain ~ -á-á~ Chaos is a name for any order that produces confusion in our minds ~
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force 341	Posted - 2011.09.27 17:29:00 - [41] - Quote Froz3nEcho Sarain wrote: The only thing I see is a decline in players because of the summer EVE never actually had noteworthy drops in average online players due to the summer. At most, there was a barely noticeable OCCASIONAL dip, but more often than not, summer average online numbers were actually QUITE HIGH. IN FACT, EVE actually has a "winter dip" that's more pronounced and more regular than any occasional summer dips. And that's when you're looking at cold, hard numbers ( http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-curves-arent.html ) not at some make-belief or wanna-remember-differently data. But the drop this year continues. It's not catastrophic, but it's there and it IS noticeable. VERY noticeable. Quote: and some people might have unsubbed some alts because of the eurocrisis. There was a much more panic-inducing crisis several years ago, and the effect was the exact opposite. EVE is cheap entertainment (1 month of gameplay for the price of a movie ticket), so when it's economic crunch time, MMOs should actually see a GROWTH in subscriber counts, not a dip. Quote: Cause it is the same graph as the year before. You need better prescription glasses. It might be SOMEWHAT similar to last year's graph, but only because last year was a pretty shabby release year too - this year it's noticeably worse. Compared to the same graph of two, three, four and even more years ago, the difference is slap-to-the-face obvious. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Contributor_name:Akita_T#Contributions_link_collection
Aero Mercury Republic Exploration And Defense Rock Ridge Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.09.27 17:36:00 - [42] - Quote Cedar Locus wrote: looking at the number of players on http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility it looks like eve is dying also with the wod thing.... It's kinda unsettling, so....am i missing something? some great stuff coming up? wtf (also, fix the ******* forum you fucktards. postings shouldnt dissapear....) Sorry to bother, but what exactly shows that Eve is dying? The only thing I can see is a decrees the last three months. But that's probably because the vacation period is over and the school/wok period starts.
Martyr Theos The NecroMonger Faith 16	Posted - 2011.09.27 18:20:00 - [43] - Quote I am once again compelled to comment upon the ABSOLUTE ACCURACY, VERACITY, AND PENETRATING PERTINENCE of AKITA T's postings.... Sorry to interrupt, but there is a reason that Akita T has "Gravitas" in this forum... and it is due to the above. Now carry on... "Eve is dying.. etc, etc ,etc. " (P.S.: The antidote to "Eve is dying". is NOVA BOMBS.... see my other posts.)
Vak'ran TUIG Inc. 46	Posted - 2011.09.27 18:28:00 - [44] - Quote I'd be proper worried when the time comes that eve is NOT dying... Vak'Ran is your local unofficial non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums, offering advise and corrections of dubious quality since 2008.
Lharanai Empyrean Guard Seventh Vanguard 11	Posted - 2011.09.27 18:48:00 - [45] - Quote Eve will not die until there is a better (niche) option. Lets face it, most of us (not all) are here because EVE is different from other MMOs and we will take a break but we will come back, admit it, how many unsubscribers actually discarded their chars :) EVE will die the day there is a real competitor (FiS, Sandbox, harsh gameplay) for its niche OR it will die slowly by becoming WOW
Roland Schlosser THE EXOGEN CONSORTIUM 1	Posted - 2011.09.27 19:23:00 - [46] - Quote eve is not dying. as Akita T has said, eve's player is shrinking, but for varied reasons. Yes the drop is noticeable, but it is not pronounced enough to be of the crisis level needed to state OMG EVE IS DIEING EVERYBODY GTFO BEFORE IT ASPLODES! There are always drops in player subscription rates, and as of yet there is no reason to believe there will not be a resurgence of players. Akita, great posts. Martyr Theos, go away little fanboi.
Industrializer Tekitsu Everlasting Forge Imperial Ascension 2	Posted - 2011.09.27 20:26:00 - [47] - Quote Look at EVE. Now look at any other game. Look at EVE again. /thread in my opinion EVE is a particular MMO. Not because of its niche market, or its sandbox-ish character, but because the development behind it and CCP. Who would risk to launch a brand new FPS MMOBA (?) linked to a 8 years old game? Someone who's willing to keep such an old fart as up to date as EVE is. I don't dare to prophesy anything, I don't know how the market may move in a few years from now, but CCP's intention is Crystal clear. They want EVE to last fresh and updated even-though you/we're not always sharing their tempo/focus (which I for one do).
Ralinastrife Wormhole Exploration Crew Night Sky Alliance 0	Posted - 2011.09.27 23:13:00 - [48] - Quote will be a sad day when eve is no longer online...but i do believe with all the new mmorpgs coming out like SWTOR and GW2 and blade and soul the population might not grow that much....this is the only game where i feel the investment is totally worth it.....other games i hit max level and run raids then like..im bored...guess its time to make a new character...always something to do in this game
Cipher Jones 45	Posted - 2011.09.28 00:01:00 - [49] - Quote Ralinastrife wrote: will be a sad day when eve is no longer online...but i do believe with all the new mmorpgs coming out like SWTOR and GW2 and blade and soul the population might not grow that much....this is the only game where i feel the investment is totally worth it.....other games i hit max level and run raids then like..im bored...guess its time to make a new character...always something to do in this game GW II is well over 3 years late. Anyone that complains about CCP as a company and jumps ship for Arena Net is quite the fool. I'm not here because EvE is a niche game, I'm here because Anet sucks. They killed GW and failed to develop GW2. Ironically, as bad as people hate WoW, I feel Bliz is pretty damned good. But the game CCP produces is far superior to either, and CCP is right behind Blizzard IMHO anyway. But then I guess that cancels the irony right out, since people hate CCP so ******* bad they pay 15 bucks a month to come to these forums and verbalize that. What a crazy business the MMO industry is. See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die.

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