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Khanid Voltar
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Khanid Voltar on 07/04/2011 05:43:47
Following on from the other thread about the richest people in eve, I just wondered what people's end game was.
For instance I atm have a total NAV of 100B (or just under). Personally I would like to get this up to 1.5T, so I have enough isk to spunk away on l33t pvp ships and still have a hefty enough NAV that I can invest it up again quite quickly if I spend too much.
What are YOU aiming for as your end game?
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:55:00 -
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To begin with, I will get to 100 bil. Then trillions - there's no reason to stop until I get bored of trading, which is unlikely to happen.
Also, there is about 500 trillion isk in the EVE economy, so even a trillion isk NAV is no big deal now.
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Jamaican Herbsman
I Love You Mary Jane
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Posted - 2011.04.07 05:58:00 -
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I hover around 10 bil. It's more than enough for me to keep playing with plex and pvp. Pvp is my current end game. I tend to lose interest in making isk once I'm near 10 bil so I rarely have more nor have plans to have more.
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:09:00 -
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Hmm, I don't know. My NAV is about 25 bill and I'm finally starting to come up with projects to get rid of it :). PRetty good considering it was slightly over 4 bill when murblybux first launched.
My end game is enjoying the game. So is my early and middle game, though. Isk isn't necessarily tied to that but its a pretty good enabler of it, I suppose.
At the moment I suppose my objective is liquidating stock to create the liquidity to pay back my trusty investors and wind down my excellent bond before moving on with further projects.
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.04.07 06:49:00 -
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more is more
and less is less
more is better then less
and twice as much is good too
too little is bad
and too much is never enough
except when it's just about right
Does that sum it up for you?
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.07 07:15:00 -
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For some reason taken off other MMOs, I build what I use and fly. My NAV will probably stop growing when all I want to fly is mine in the form of BPOs.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Candy Oshea
Amarr
Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.04.07 07:26:00 -
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What i love about this game is its immense complexity.
I guess i have enough isk when i can afford to fly an officer fitted Marauder/Pirate/navy battleship into lowsec say 'Tama' lowsec, & have a tussle with the locals, without a care in the world when i lose it & make some lowsec guys day/week/month.
At the end of the day tho Isk comes & goes, my end game is playing Eve & having alot of fun doing it 
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.04.07 07:41:00 -
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Half of it
The Real Space Initiative - V7
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enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:09:00 -
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Greed is eternal. 
The Pod Log. ||| I MADE TWEET Y U NO FOLLOW!? |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:14:00 -
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When you can do this in your CQ then you probably have enough
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clixor
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Posted - 2011.04.07 08:15:00 -
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Like Akita said in the bragthread  , loads and loads of isk opens up whole other possibilities such as large scale manipulation and pre-patch speculation. Also personally i find it fun to think more about the macro-aspects of the game such as inflation and long-term investment and ROI.
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Ludacrys
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Posted - 2011.04.07 10:57:00 -
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for me it would be around 30 billion isk liquid
im like half way there
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:12:00 -
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Quantifying "enough"... it's however much is required to have fun at the time...so if I need "x" billions to play with T3 salvage or run multiple POS reactor chains, then that's "enough".
I get my kicks by seeing the profit roll in on any given project, not by how much my NAV is at any given moment.
YMMV
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:16:00 -
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It's NEVER enough 
Even when it's "more than you can handle or know what to do with", it's STILL not enough.
I suppose "all the ISK in the game" might be enough, but then again, "they" keep making new ones all the time.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:29:00 -
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 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
For some reason taken off other MMOs, I build what I use and fly. My NAV will probably stop growing when all I want to fly is mine in the form of BPOs.
This is pretty much me.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.07 11:42:00 -
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As others have said, there is never enough.
However I don't really think of it as greed as such, it isn't for the love of ISK it's self, but about being the biggest dog on the block.
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Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
For some reason taken off other MMOs, I build what I use and fly. My NAV will probably stop growing when all I want to fly is mine in the form of BPOs.
This is pretty much me.
Lets hope you guys never want a titan because I sure as hell ain't helping you mine for it.
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Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:12:00 -
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I found that once I broke my personal "never need to make isk again" number, not only did I get super lazy about investing, I also became much more conservative. I no longer needed to increase my holdings, just make sure I didn't lose it all by being ******ed. I still made some isk on some ridiculously obvious money makers like robotics, but other than that I've mostly just let my isk sit idle tbh.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.04.07 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atima
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
For some reason taken off other MMOs, I build what I use and fly. My NAV will probably stop growing when all I want to fly is mine in the form of BPOs.
This is pretty much me.
Lets hope you guys never want a titan because I sure as hell ain't helping you mine for it.
I might entertrain in the idea of getting one, just to FRAPS it. I'd have nothing else to do with it though.
Auditing | Research | 3rd Party | Collateral Holding | EvE RL Charity |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Atima
Lets hope you guys never want a titan because I sure as hell ain't helping you mine for it.
Two things: 1 - Do I look like I'm going to be in a capital ship... ever? 2 - Have you been any help to me... ever?
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
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Quazal Atreides
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:28:00 -
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my end game is pretty simple
1 Earn enough isk to purchase a hulk BPO
2 Buy hulk BPO
3 Speak to chribba (or any other serious 3rd party)
4 Contract BPO to them
5 Ask them to undock with bpo in a n00b ship in quiet system (or known only to me and him)
6 Gank while frapsing
7 repeat from step 5 until bpo destroyed
8 Log off eve and never return
Thats pretty much it, at the moment im about 40% of my way to making this happen, i dont trade i still enjoy the game but have lost too much isk pew pewing and other obscure activities..
But thats my end game, i have set a target of summer 2012 for this to happen, so not too bad about 75bill over next 15months (or 5bill a month profit at slow move)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:51:00 -
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Originally by: Quazal Atreides
Stuff
Actually I find that I envy you. You have a goal which is something that I lack. Probably explains my apathy towards Eve these days.
Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes
Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves;
Aptitude and intellect are needless here;
'Tis impudence and money that grants fame. |
SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
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Posted - 2011.04.07 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Quazal Atreides
my end game is pretty simple
1 Earn enough isk to purchase a hulk BPO
2 Buy hulk BPO
3 Speak to chribba (or any other serious 3rd party)
4 Contract BPO to them
5 Ask them to undock with bpo in a n00b ship in quiet system (or known only to me and him)
6 Gank while frapsing
7 repeat from step 5 until bpo destroyed
8 Log off eve and never return
Thats pretty much it, at the moment im about 40% of my way to making this happen, i dont trade i still enjoy the game but have lost too much isk pew pewing and other obscure activities..
But thats my end game, i have set a target of summer 2012 for this to happen, so not too bad about 75bill over next 15months (or 5bill a month profit at slow move)
That my friend is a worthy goal indeed. I have to say good luck to you finding someone as trusted as Chribba and who wants to show up in EVE history as the guy who undocked with a Hulk BPO only to get ganked..
If that day comes, and you are unable to find such a person, I say here now that I will login with my EBANK SencneS character, and do exactly what you want. I can't think of a better way to finally close out that character then to have this be marked and have a fraps of the event. 
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Tutskii
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Quazal Atreides
my end game is pretty simple
1 Earn enough isk to purchase a hulk BPO
2 Buy hulk BPO
3 Speak to chribba (or any other serious 3rd party)
4 Contract BPO to them
5 Ask them to undock with bpo in a n00b ship in quiet system (or known only to me and him)
6 Gank while frapsing
7 repeat from step 5 until bpo destroyed
8 Log off eve and never return
Thats pretty much it, at the moment im about 40% of my way to making this happen, i dont trade i still enjoy the game but have lost too much isk pew pewing and other obscure activities..
But thats my end game, i have set a target of summer 2012 for this to happen, so not too bad about 75bill over next 15months (or 5bill a month profit at slow move)
I like this plan, should you require assistance, you can have my bow.
Now only will you do your part to remove evil from this world (if CCP hasn't already by then) but t would actually probably put you fairly high in your pvp stats.
A great plan all around!
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Elise DarkStar
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Posted - 2011.04.07 14:53:00 -
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Due to real-life time and energy constraints, the Eve market is about the only game I can play besides little 5 minute time-killers (solitaire, etc). I was able to do administrative stuff for a nullsec corp and alliance, but I found the "returns" in terms of enjoyment a little low, and nullsec organizations are already plagued with a superabundance of backseat bureaucrats who couldn't move a fleet across three systems without getting it obliterated.
I would like enough money that I can get the same sense of escapism through administrative type work (the RP element, though I'm definitely not the wizard robe type, but you know what I mean), but through some kind of financial organization that allows me to interact with big players and influence the strategic and political landscapes.
I currently have a little under 100b, which is the most I have time to "work" for reasonable returns, even with my absurdly low time-input style of speculation. I'd want at least another 200b before I felt comfortable enough financially to look at starting a loan business, and then maybe up to about 1.5t or so before I really felt that I had enough to satisfy the needs of all potential clients in every possible situation of need.
Long story short, 1.5t-2t.
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.04.07 15:02:00 -
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For me its never been about total Isk score. I dont play to count my wallet, but for the enjoyment of the transaction, the deal, the interaction with other over an investment, starting a project and seeing it finish.
In my own odd way its the interactions from dealing with isk that i enjoy not so much the pool of wealth i might gain.
If i start to set goals on isk, ill lose my fun.
SH
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 05:02:00 -
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Similar to others, I have no set goal in ISK. For that, 'whatever I need to fit my current routine' works. Enjoying what I'm doing is what's mattered more.
I don't know my exact NAV atm, but its at least 1 Bil (which is already ahead of quite a number of people).
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.10 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Quazal Atreides
blow up hulk bpo
nice goal
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Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Tutskii
I like this plan, should you require assistance, you can have my bow.
Now only will you do your part to remove evil from this world (if CCP hasn't already by then) but t would actually probably put you fairly high in your pvp stats.
A great plan all around!
AND MY AXE!
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Atima
Minmatar
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.04.10 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Atima
2 - Have you been any help to me... ever?
This made me eve search our posting history in the same thread, I thought maybe I have helped you at some point? but no I haven't. Infact now I feel bad about this because pretty much all our posts are you giving me constructive critisism.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
the united
Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 18:47:00 -
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I usually just stop at 30bill and spend all my way down to 10 then work it back up again, that or just jump on a bit of speculation when ever the opportunity arrises. CCP are very kind to us with regular patch money making opportunitys.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's
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Posted - 2011.04.10 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 07/04/2011 11:37:17
It's NEVER enough
I rarely disagree more
Enough depends on your own needs.Enough for one person is not half what the other person feels is enough.
Enough for me at this moment is to keep my account alive without lowering my current NAV for exmample so it only takes a few hundred mille for me.
When someone says and means it is never enough i usually feel more pitty then anything else tbh because i know too many people irl who feel and work this way and rarely they get the time to enjoy life
I'd rather die with a rich life then a rich account.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
I'd rather die with a rich life then a rich account.
Are you planning on dying twice?
Okay, now that I got my grammatical making-fun-of out of my system, I can actually address your post:
Originally by: flakeys
When someone says and means it is never enough i usually feel more pitty then anything else tbh because i know too many people irl who feel and work this way and rarely they get the time to enjoy life
You are assuming that person A needs to work just as hard as person B to make the same amount of moneys. Let me present an example. Consider the two people:
Person A feels that she needs 100,000,000 moneys per year, however wants more and more and more.
Person B feels that he needs 45,000 moneys per year and can be content with that.
Person A can make 200,000,000 moneys per year.
Person B can make 30,000 moneys per year.
Person A can work only 20 hour weeks, and be content, but chooses to work full time and makes twice what they desire to be comfortable because they want more moneys.
Person B can not work only 40 hours a week and feel comfortable. Person B needs to work 60 hours a week to feel comfortable.
Person B, despite having a desire for 0.035% of the wealth of Person A to be content, is more of a work-a-holic than Person A. And Person B has "less rich life" due to the amount of time spent working than Person A. Even though Person A desires more, Person B has less of a life.
Please don't paint with a broad brush. Just because Person A wants a lot of moneys, be them iskies, dollars, rubles, euros, pounds, yen, or whatever, doesn't mean that Person A doesn't have a rich life. And it doesn't mean that Person A has any less rich of a life than Person B just because Person B wants less moneys.
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.04.10 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
there's no reason to stop until I get bored of trading, which is unlikely to happen.
Or your 0.01isk trading bots get banned. One or the other...
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Bulldug
Starlight Enterprise
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Posted - 2011.04.10 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
When someone says and means it is never enough i usually feel more pitty then anything else tbh because i know too many people irl who feel and work this way and rarely they get the time to enjoy life
I'd rather die with a rich life then a rich account.
As Bill Hicks would say, It's just a ride
I agree, ômore is betterö is a myth and based on greed or 'fear of lack'.. Having a big bank account when you die as A Christmas Carol is just sad... My NAV is around 1.5-2 trillion isk (most made from T2 bpo lottery, PI/mineral speculation) and I dont feel more 'happy' than I would with 100b isk. But money is power in EVE so thats why I did not stop at 100b isk. Money and power do morally corrupt your mind so dont think alot of money is going to be a 'bed of roses' because thats a myth.. Yes money/power do flatter your ego, personal introspection are needed so the mind are not lead astray. Introspection is something many rich people fail at in EVE and RL. No wonder why the financially top are so morally insane these days. Personal, I would be happy to give all of my wealth away if I knew it could end all the reckless greed in the financially world. I have also contemplated if I should donate 1T isk just to lead by example as the most generous player in EVE. But I dont want to become Santa's letter box for wishes so investing alot of isk to preserve EVE's longevity takes careful consideration.
For those interested the 'secret of enough' are explained in good detail by Thom Hartman.
Linkage
Quote:
The Secret of ôEnoughö
For I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
- St. Paul, letter to the Philippians, 4:11
First, the truth
If you are naked, cold, and hungry, and somehow you get shelter, clothing, and food, you will feel better. Providing for these necessities creates a qualitative change in life, and could even be said to, in some ways, produce ôhappiness.ö You feel comfortable and safe. Your internal state-your state of mind and emotional sense of well-being-has improved as a result of these external changes in the circumstances of your body, the result of your having acquired some stuff.
LetÆs refer to this as the ôenough point.ö It represents the point where a person has security, where their life and existence is not in danger.
Now, the lie or myth
ôIf some stuff will make you happy, then twice as much stuff will make you twice as happy, ten times as much will make you ten times as happy, and so on into infinity.ö
By this logic, the fabulously rich such as Prince Charles or Donald Trump or King Fahd must live in a state of perpetual bliss. ôGreed is good,ö the oft-repeated mantra of the Reagan era, embodied the religious or moral way of expressing this myth. More is better. He who dies with the most toys wins.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.10 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Bulldug
Quote:
If you are naked, cold, and hungry, and somehow you get shelter, clothing, and food, you will feel better. Providing for these necessities creates a qualitative change in life, and could even be said to, in some ways, produce ôhappiness.ö You feel comfortable and safe. Your internal state-your state of mind and emotional sense of well-being-has improved as a result of these external changes in the circumstances of your body, the result of your having acquired some stuff.
LetÆs refer to this as the ôenough point.ö It represents the point where a person has security, where their life and existence is not in danger.
Now, the lie or myth
ôIf some stuff will make you happy, then twice as much stuff will make you twice as happy, ten times as much will make you ten times as happy, and so on into infinity.ö
By this logic, the fabulously rich such as Prince Charles or Donald Trump or King Fahd must live in a state of perpetual bliss. ôGreed is good,ö the oft-repeated mantra of the Reagan era, embodied the religious or moral way of expressing this myth. More is better. He who dies with the most toys wins.
You (the author) is basing the fact that when one is not happy, that they are unhappy, and vice versa also. This is far from the truth. There is a middle area called "content" where one can be not happy nor unhappy. Removing unhappiness may not necessarily make one happy, but rather removing unhappiness makes one move closer to content.
Being a mathematical person I tend to make mathematical analogies. For this I view ever happiness and unhappiness event as one dimensional vectors. One vector for ever possible event. Every happy event creates a vector pointing towards the positive side, and every unhappy event creates a vector pointing towards the negative side. The first thought is to think that the sum of all events is your total happiness, but our minds don't sum up every event all of the time. Sometimes we push away negative (unhappy) events causing us to be relatively happier than just a few moments prior, despite nothing changing. However it happens more often that we push away the positive (happy) events causing us to be relatively unhappier than just a few moments prior, again, despite nothing changing.
Where money enters into the equation is that money can remove negative causing events. When removing a negative event the relativistic happiness increases, but that does not necessarily meant that the person's net sum of all happiness vectors is positive. (Read: That doesn't mean that someone is happy.) This is because by throwing money at a person's life, they remove unhappiness, but they do not create happiness.
People seem to confuse "relativistic happiness" with "being happy." Relativistic happiness meaning that you are happier than you recently were. If I weighed 300 lbs (~135 kgs), and lost 50 lbs (~23 kgs), I would be "skinnier" than I was before, but I would NOT be considered skinny. Much the same as if someone gains happiness (read: loses unhappiness) they are happier than before, but not necessarily happy.
Please don't make the assumption that money causes happiness; it doesn't. Money removes unhappiness. When you base your argument on the falsity of money causing happiness, your entire argument ends up falling apart.
Money can do exactly the same thing that some people can do with their brains; it can remove problems from the current perspective causing less unhappiness. Money can not cause happiness, just the illusion of happiness.
This is why it's okay to want as much isk as you can make, and it doesn't make you a bad person.
*looks up* Enough essaying from me for a bit.
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Aldo Bridger
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Posted - 2011.04.11 00:16:00 -
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lol@ the philosophical "can't take it with you," debate.
Just to add my 2isk, enough is whatever gets you re-shipped consistantly enough you don't suffer from farming burn-out. My hat's off to you traders here who can actually enjoy dealing with the tedious market menu ad nauseum just to stack that monopoly money. I tried that game at one point (started as a producer of various mods - ended up with four tycoon alts running several market hubs) and burned out HARD in less than a year's time. In fact I was so burned out that I sold every character and gave the isk away before I quit.
I came back recently with the intent of enjoying the game with little regard to isk and i've enjoyed myself more than ever (even more so than when I first picked up the game in '05).
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.11 20:47:00 -
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If EvE had an end I would not play it.
It takes me about 40-45 mil a day to pay for all accounts and fuel.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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UfoTRADER
Relentless Technologies
Quod Erat Demonstrandum
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Posted - 2011.04.12 04:36:00 -
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If I liquidated all of my bpos, chars and assets I'd be worth around 500b. I wanted to hit a trillion when I sold all of my pvp accounts, capitals and super capitals, but I have long lost interest in racing to a trillion. I have taken several months off on numerous occasions the last few years, which is how I keep from burning out. :P
I have no end game aspirations in Eve to be honest, I just enjoy the people and the drama. I will play until the servers shutdown, so whether I am worth 20t or 100m it doesn't matter. It's like real life, you get what you put into it and some are luckier than others.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.12 05:09:00 -
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I think the question isn't how much isk is enough, but when to stop yourself.
I enjoy trading for some of the reasons peopel mention above.
Piling up the isk is one part, but not really the joy in it.
Its fun for me to be the player in certain markets...to find ways to make fat margins for long periods of time on certain items... its kinda fun to build a hub...its fun to run other people out of trading certain items.. its fun to sell things for 50% more than they can buy them a system away...
... regional buy orders are fun because you get to see where the activity is going on.. you feel like you're a part of the regional economy...just like a proud person on a local chamber of commerce I take pride in being able to point out the nexus's of activity and known coporations and agents in my nexk of the woods and see the proceeds from people missioning there come across my transaction screen.
so its part role playing for me...
but...there's only one of me and its hard to give up on the stuff i'm enjoying.
My goal was to build a sytem to make a steady 1 billion isk a day in pure trading ...and to scale back the time that took each day....
The scaling back has been hard... even though I can give up the most time consuming stuff and lose little of the income... i sort of enjoy the time consuming stuff, and the simple stuff isn't fun enough even though it makes the most isk sometimes
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Xtreem
Gallente
Knockaround Guys Inc.
Sin City Coalition
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Posted - 2011.04.12 10:55:00 -
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My Ideal isk is to have enough to buy whatever i want, all i want.
NAV of around 150bil, however I only have around 10-30 in liquid at any one point, I guess a nav of 500 and liquid of 100 would be my ball park, however I tend to buy too many pretty things and get shot too much :D
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