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Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.09 23:48:00 - [1] I'll let my Willy talk for me... ▄██████████████▄▐█▄▄▄▄█ ██████F█A█I█L███▌▀▀██▀▀ ████▄████████████▄▄█ ▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▀ Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.09 23:52:00 - [2] At least these forums can refresh in a single blink of an eye, the new ones have bad caching issues and I can read 2 pages before they refresh. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.09 23:55:00 - [3] Edited by: Miilla on 09/04/2011 23:55:18 Originally by: vulnevia Originally by: Miilla I'll let my Willy talk for me... ▄██████████████▄▐█▄▄▄▄█ ██████F█A█I█L███▌▀▀██▀▀ ████▄████████████▄▄█ ▄▄▄▄▄██████████████▀ ...squirt squirt? CCP don't like my Willy :( Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:00:00 - [4] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:04:16 Finally! Something in Eve that works! These new forums rock! They look like the old ones, how did you do it! Awesome! Totally painless transition. <-- this could be a new tatoo for the creator or perhaps a hat? Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:08:00 - [5] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:12:48 How do I edit my signiture on this forum please? Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:12:00 - [6] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:08:18 How do I edit my signiture on this forum please? Settings, choose your character name, and there is the edit box. Thanks :) got it I think. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:19:00 - [7] Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. You should see my signiture then :) Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:25:00 - [8] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:26:32 Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written. Ahh response(bility) :) Perhaps it wasn't code, it was process? Just a random thought. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:36:00 - [9] Originally by: Better Than You This is called Karma CCP. You did an unnecessary nerf to the real players who were busting their ass out in null sec by removing their ability to actually make any decent ISK. I strongly suggest you reverse that anomaly change and maybe the programing gods will smile on you once more. CCP Karma? When did he start working there? When does he publish a blog? Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:39:00 - [10] I guess somebody is going to have a bad case of the Mondays :) Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:42:00 - [11] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 00:42:11 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: CCP Wrangler Sig: If it's stupid but works, it isn't stupid. What if its stupid and it doesnt work? Then you shoot the messenger, then roll back. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:47:00 - [12] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: CCP Wrangler It has been an interesting weekend so far. Our shiny new forums havenÆt worked quite as expected and they have been going up and down a few times. We have opened up our trusted old forums for your posting pleasure and we will be keeping the new forums down until they can be sorted out. There will be more information on this on Monday. We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused you and we thank you for your patience and understanding. CCP needs to apologize for throwing out untested unfinished unpolished rubbish at customers as well, to a community that is so dedicated to your company's product and expecting nothing but excellence and deliverance, this is an insult. You have my sincere and personal apology and I also apologize on behalf of CCP. Can we have that on You Tube too? What... Whaaaat? Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:56:00 - [13] Originally by: Siiee Originally by: Diomedes Calypso But, I'll give the benefit of the doubt that they are attempting something unique? They took off-the-shelf forum software and bodged their own auth methods with a fair helping of dynamic bling. Dynamic Bling? When do we get SPINNERS for our ships? Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Calathea Sata Apology accepted. CCP now please prove your sincerity by your actions. Excellence. Deliverance. I'm waiting to see it on the CCP YouTube channel... in HD. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Copine Callmeknau Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 10/04/2011 01:02:09 Miilla your sig is ****ing awful, also it's oversized and gonna get nerfed when a mod sees it Yours is too violent and should be also nerfed due to the blood and gore. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:10:00 - [16] HOW MUCH FREE SKILL POINTS ARE WE GETTING FOR THIS? Well, somebody had to ask :) Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Siiee Originally by: dexington Disable images in you browser if it's that big a problem... I don't even think that would help him as much as it should. Someone reported a 980k pageload at one point, and only 200k of that is the background image. Firefox, prefbar, disable images, flash and colours. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:25:00 - [18] I think CCP should made mine the asteroids in a 0.5 system and let everybody know. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Froosh Originally by: James Tylan I miss my likes already.... me2 - it was fun to add as many likes as you wanted to your own posts. err, what I means was too see others do that. Me too, it made me feel wanted and important. Please resize signatures to the maximum allowed filesize of 400 x 120 pixels. It is also important to note that your signature should be EVE related. Navigator
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:55:00 - [20] You all got what you wanted, the old fourms back, why are you all still whining?

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:58:00 - [21] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 10/04/2011 13:57:23 Originally by: Miilla You all got what you wanted, the old fourms back, why are you all still whining? Because it won't last, and because we actually do want a new forum ù just a new forum that is also better than the old one. So go make your own style sheet.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla So go make your own style sheet. That only solves (some of) the design issues ù the functionality is still gone. Design-wise, I could probably live with the way the forums looked with my CSS. Feature-wise, it made little difference and didn't improve on what the forums offered. Like button withdrawals?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:04:00 - [23] So, since we now found somebody to blame for the forums, who do we blame now for Windows Millenium?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Ban Doga Originally by: Miilla You all got what you wanted, the old fourms back, why are you all still whining? Are you one of those people who are totally happy when someone steals their car and brings it back later "because you got it back now so everything is okay again"? Shouldn't your anology involve space ships?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Ban Doga Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Ban Doga Originally by: Miilla You all got what you wanted, the old fourms back, why are you all still whining? Are you one of those people who are totally happy when someone steals their car and brings it back later "because you got it back now so everything is okay again"? Shouldn't your anology involve space ships? Are you one of those people who are totally happy when someone steals their ~~car~~ spaceship and brings it back later "because you got it back now so everything is okay again"? No because I have a Keanu Reeves anti ship alarm fitted. I simply press a button and every ship around me exploads except my own. Makes it easier to locate in the station mall parking area.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:42:00 - [26] Originally by: LtCol Laurentius Originally by: CCP Sreegs We don't discuss administrative actions. At all. Ever. No matter how many times you ask, demand or otherwise say the same thing over and over and over again. Our policy is simply that we don't, and to be fair you only have access to enough information to speculate. I'm not claiming. I'm stating outright that customer data was never at risk. We've also said there will be a blog which will detail what occurred and what was wrong. It doesnt matter. The public image you have created is that you **** over the whistleblower, while claiming everything is allright. And unless you start to take the community i bit more seriosly, that public imagew is going to stick, no matter what your policies are. Whistleblower? Whistleblowers talk about the problem, they dont EXPLOIT the problem.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:50:00 - [27] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Miilla Whistleblower? Whistleblowers talk about the problem, they dont EXPLOIT the problem. in all fairness, while he could do something much more malicious than he did and while I can understand why he did it (concern that an email simply wouldn't suffice), the means were also not the most correct. should we thank him? yes. but punishment still must be served. A tempban in my view would probably be the most correct approach. He could publish his findings anonymously instead of exploiting it for his (ego) gain. Tough, he went about it in the wrong way.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Dogo Duma Originally by: Akita T Originally by: CCP Sreegs My job is security therefore that's what I blog about. The reason we shut down the forums was security related. That aside, which version are you more comfortable using personally, this one or the "new" one ? And why ? Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: Titus Phook Well if he passed the new forum as fit for use, and lets face it he's the security guy and it was a security issue, he's probably busy trying to get the egg off his face. My job is response, not reviewing every single line of code that gets written. Hm. CCP Sreegs has some explainations to do. If you don't like it, stop paying. No?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:56:00 - [29] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 14:56:57 Originally by: Helicity Boson Edited by: Helicity Boson on 10/04/2011 14:54:40 You're also being lied to. While your customer data over at CCP was indeed safe, the new forums put everyone that visited them at risk. Saying we were completely safe is, demonstrably, FALSE. I've written up a blog post on the subject here: http://www.machine9.net/blog/?p=592 After posting this, I suspect this will mean goodbye for me, so let me just preemptively state that I will miss you all, and for all your flaws you ARE the best game community in the world. Can I have my Hulkageddon 4 Medal before you go please?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:08:00 - [30] I think everybody is overreacting and making a mountian out of a molehill. DON'T PANIC!!!

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:24:00 - [31] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 15:24:35 Originally by: Grimpak tbh no need to panic now, since the security break has been closed. being worried on how this has come to pass and if it has a chance of happening again however, is something that is valid. Hanging Lady: Nervous? Ted Striker: Yes. Hanging Lady: First time? Ted Striker: No, I've been nervous lots of times.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:44:00 - [32] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Kerfira What's all this talk of 72000 or 75000 man hours to build the new forums? That's about ~45 MAN YEARS (which is several hundred miles beyond ridiculous for a forum)!!! I seem to recall that it was a figure mentioned at one of the fanfest presentations. It also kind of makes sense: they started mumbling about new forums just over a year ago, and apparently, the web team consists of 40 ppl. So if that last number is correct, the man hour count seems reasonable as well. All companies and employees huff hot air to make them awesome, when infact they are just cogs doing production.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:57:00 - [33] Biatch fight! I called it first!
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:19:00 - [34] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 18:22:55 Originally by: LtCol Laurentius Originally by: CCP Sreegs Originally by: LtCol Laurentius Edited by: LtCol Laurentius on 10/04/2011 14:48:57 Originally by: CCP Sreegs We don't discuss administrative actions. At all. Ever. No matter how many times you ask, demand or otherwise say the same thing over and over and over again. Our policy is simply that we don't, and to be fair you only have access to enough information to speculate. I'm not claiming. I'm stating outright that customer data was never at risk. We've also said there will be a blog which will detail what occurred and what was wrong. It doesnt matter. The public image you have created is that you ** over the whistleblower, while claiming everything is allright. If I don't talk about administrative actions I'm really not sure how I could have created an opinion about one. I'm pretty sure what you mean to say is "The public image that SOMEONE ELSE has created". Not really. You HAVE banned the wistleblower. And the way you communicate OFFICIALLY (in news and devblogs) gives the following message: "YOU discovered the securityholes yourselves" (which is blatant bull), and "there is no reason to be concerned about security" (more blatant bull). Based on this, players will form an opinion. And it is not favourable. The "whistleblower" who "exploited" the issue instead of posting about it publically anonymously. He crossed the line when he "exploited" the hole. Whistleblower A whistleblower (whistle-blower or whistle blower)[1] is a person who tells** the public or someone in authority about alleged dishonest or illegal activities (misconduct) occurring in a government department, a public or private organization, or a company. The alleged misconduct may be classified in many ways; for example, a violation of a law, rule, regulation and/or a direct threat to public interest, such as fraud, health/safety violations, and corruption. Whistleblowers may make their allegations internally (for example, to other people within the accused organization) or externally (to regulators, law enforcement agencies, to the media or to groups concerned with the issues).
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:26:00 - [35] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod so miilla, what did they give you to turn you into a CCP kiss ass? cause you used to be a rabblerouser lie the rest of us, now all you do in troll us and kiss CCP's ass. I don't take sides :)
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:28:00 - [36] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 18:30:31 Originally by: Ban Doga Edited by: Ban Doga on 10/04/2011 18:26:35 Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 18:22:55 The "whistleblower" who "exploited" the issue instead of posting about it publically anonymously. How can anyone say there's a security hole without exploiting it? "Uhm, your client is sending data to your server. If the server does not validate this data you have a security hole..."? So post it as theory then, but don't EXPLPOIT it, it is clearly obvious he exploited it from his self bragging posts on SHC forum. "hey look at me, look what I can do etc etc" even the forum thread was titled who wanted to post as somebody else.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod so miilla, what did they give you to turn you into a CCP kiss ass? cause you used to be a rabblerouser lie the rest of us, now all you do in troll us and kiss CCP's ass. I don't take sides :) yeah sure you dont lol how much isk or PLEX did it take? lol He denied me the oppertunity to use my paid for trolling service for the weekend. The agony was terrible. All because some know it all show off wanted to act big on the internet posting javascript signiture exploits.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:58:00 - [38] Originally by: Furb Killer So let me get this straight: pointing out security flaws the size of the hole in the WTC and, granted, exploiting them a bit for the lulz (without afaik doing any serious damage, considering what he could have done with it and notifying you so it could be fixed), results in an account ban + IP ban. Meanwhile abusing exploits in the game client and rampant botting (often a combination of those two) is perfectly fine? Pointing out means TELLING us about it, he went beyond that, he EXPLOITED the vulnerability for his own gain (ego).
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 19:11:00 - [39] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 19:14:56 Originally by: mkint Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Furb Killer So let me get this straight: pointing out security flaws the size of the hole in the WTC and, granted, exploiting them a bit for the lulz (without afaik doing any serious damage, considering what he could have done with it and notifying you so it could be fixed), results in an account ban + IP ban. Meanwhile abusing exploits in the game client and rampant botting (often a combination of those two) is perfectly fine? Pointing out means TELLING us about it, he went beyond that, he EXPLOITED the vulnerability for his own gain (ego). Would CCP have done anything if he didn't demonstrate it? Hell no. The entire web team is a complete failure and seriously needs to be fired. They haven't done a single piece of good work, but have instead screwed up over and over again, unapologetically putting client privacy at risk every single day, and now putting client security at risk. There is no excuse for it. They are not up to the job. Also: surprise! Miilla is taking a contrarian position. Wonder why... troll much? Get a life. Did I say just tell CCP I meant tell EVERYBODY, the PUBLIC. It is very easy to download YET and install it yourself and test your theory then view the source on your client browser to see if it is much different (and the files it poo poos for authentication). If he is really concerned, he can even submit a fix into the open source YET project tree or send the diff to the owners. Test on your own machines, not in the cloud. What is the BUG ID for this bug he submitted to CCP (aside from the email)?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 19:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Ban Doga Maybe you should take a break. This was 2/10. At most. Didn't know we were keeping score. Do you keep little rage lists too?

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 20:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod whaaaaaaat helicity with a conscience? Tell me you got hacked an this really isnt you it's more likely than you think. Heck, it's why I get so wound up to begin with. Miss Conscience would like to donate a Hulkageddon 4 medal? :)
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 20:37:00 - [42] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 20:57:16 Originally by: mkint Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Helicity Boson I feel a little bad for flaming CCP Sreegs, it really isn't his fault. But you know me, I get all worked up and stuff. re: bannings. I do think the ban is appropriate, whereas I only verified it was possible, I didn't go and USE the exploit. I blew the whistle instead, which was the right thing to do. Regardless, I just have to say thanks for divulging exactly what was going on, most of us probably wouldn't have ever found out, and after reading your blog, regardless of what CCP has said I have some serious concerns over this mess. I have faith though that they will fix it before they attempt to release again...especially after what exactly went wrong with their implementation of the forums ended up public. What you don't seem to be getting, and CCP probably won't acknowledge at any level, is that this isn't "a problem." It's a system of problems, and this is just another manifestation of it. What will happen is CCP is going to go "whoops" and patch it and carry on until the next "whoops" moment is even bigger and starts leading to class action lawsuits, the company gets turned into a red tape bureaucracy (which would destroy the company incidentally) because it can't be trusted to exist in any other form. Yes, the web programmers are completely incompetent, but that just reflects on the corporate officers for having an incompetent business process. You do know corporate world is just full of Yes Sir or your out. I worked at Microsoft for many years, all bull****, why? cuz they pay me. and I like being paid. You think we give a crap about it? Hell no. Its all about our "career profiles". Once you hit management it is about, delivering, not nuts and bolts, and rightly so, you deliver a good enough product to market, fix it later. That is reality. Its not an engineers business world, its a business business world, usually budget and more specifically DATE DRIVEN. A company doesn't need 100 or 200 architects (chefs) or 100 or 200 specialists they just need a few of each domain and the rest cooks. That is the problem with so many technology companies claiming to hire the best, they want all Chefs but not enough cooks. That is certinally the problem at MSFT, a revolving door HR policy lol. Been there done that. Woke up :)
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 21:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 21:23:36 Originally by: Jon Taggart I'm surprised the CSM haven't been more vocal about this whole affair. I remember a letter was posted from CSM5 some weeks ago, but nothing recent. CSM is a Customer PR Horse and Pony roadshow lol. Come on, wake up.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 21:22:00 - [44] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Funny thing about the deliver now patch later thing. Eventually, ppl stop paying for crap. Then how do you deliver when noone's buying your product? and before you start on something about M$, CCP aint M$ and Im talking about CCP So why are YOU here if you didn't buy it? I did, a lot of people here did, doesn't matter what you PAID whether in PLEX; Time, USD, GBP EURO etc, you all paid for it. You invested time at the very very least, and you know you want to keep going, at least until something more exciting comes along. You know it, you don't fool me, so quit fooling yourself.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:03:00 - [45] Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 22:03:39 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla Are you still running Windows? Did you eventually stop paying for crap? I'm guessing NO :) I didn't either. The difference between me and you is I am not full of bull**, I know bull when I see it but speak it straight up and bluntly. try reading the second half of my statement please... the part where I told you NOT to bring up microsoft cause CCP AINT M$ And yea, I know bull** too and its in like every troll I see you try kiss CCPs ass some more lol Different in name I agree yes. So, if you stopped paying for crap, why are you still here? That part I don't understand. Please explain.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:07:00 - [46] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 10/04/2011 22:03:39 Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla Are you still running Windows? Did you eventually stop paying for crap? I'm guessing NO :) I didn't either. The difference between me and you is I am not full of bull**, I know bull when I see it but speak it straight up and bluntly. try reading the second half of my statement please... the part where I told you NOT to bring up microsoft cause CCP AINT M$ And yea, I know bull** too and its in like every troll I see you try kiss CCPs ass some more lol Different in name I agree yes. So, if you stopped paying for crap, why are you still here? That part I don't understand. Please explain. k, I didnt know that when you stopped paying they cut off your game and forum access instantly oh wait they dont lol troll more buddy Sounds like something they should do, when customers cancel their accounts, cut off their forum posting rights too. Don't want ghost posting eh.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:09:00 - [47] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Yeah I actually agree. Itd show the ppl actually quitting vs those that put up those bull**** "IM RAGEQUITTING QQQQQQQQQ" threads then spend the next two years posting lol So why are you still here?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:12:00 - [48] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Yeah I actually agree. Itd show the ppl actually quitting vs those that put up those bull**** "IM RAGEQUITTING QQQQQQQQQ" threads then spend the next two years posting lol So why are you still here? When did I say "IM RAGEQUITTING QQQQQQQQQ" Cause I dont think I did, I just said I stopped PAYING for the game. I can still play fine till my time runs out lol You still paid. Please tell us when your time runs out, I want to check your gone.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:16:00 - [49] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod so.... if you EVER paid you cant say that ppl will stop paying for the product? by that logic ppl are still playing Hellgate london So, you're not leaving are you? It was all just twisted garbled balloney to suit your flappy gob.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:18:00 - [50] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 10/04/2011 22:17:56 Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Miilla Sounds like something they should do, when customers cancel their accounts, cut off their forum posting rights too. Don't want ghost posting eh. Oh lordy, I'm agreeing with it. Funny how I agreed an its still trollin me lol quote=Miilla] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod so.... if you EVER paid you cant say that ppl will stop paying for the product? by that logic ppl are still playing Hellgate london So, you're not leaving are you? It was all just twisted garbled balloney to suit your flappy gob. lol... just lol Im feedin the troll but I wanna see what comes out next man you got me laughin tho You don't understand trolling do you.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:21:00 - [51] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla You don't understand trolling do you. Guess not as yer sposed to be ****in me ofs but all yer doin is making me laugh lol so who fails in that case? Guess its both of us lol Not at all, I always win and I'm always right, read my bio.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:24:00 - [52] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Calathea Sata puts up a sticker of troll warning Is it still trolling if you fail to **** ppl off and just babble about gobs and stuff? lol What is that on your head? Looks like a dead skunk.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.10 22:28:00 - [53] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod Originally by: Calathea Sata puts up a sticker of troll warning Is it still trolling if you fail to **** ppl off and just babble about gobs and stuff? lol What is that on your head? Looks like a dead skunk. Is that REALLY what youve been reduced to? roflmao Take 15 minutes off an come up with something good please Well, that's what the skunk looks like it's been reduced to.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 13:28:00 - [54] Originally by: MisterAl tt1 After having read some external info regarding your "brand new" forums I would say that the whole team in charge of this f... up is to be fired! To allow code insertion into signatures! What kind of "specialists" work there?! How could've you bring OUR computers under such a risk?! Well, I'm sure CCP will state everything is OK and there was no risk. Even with my little knowledge I can say that they LIE. I say we cancel your account after we fire them, deal? Fair exchange?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 13:37:00 - [55] Do we still need this thread? All it encourages is bashing and whining. We get the point :) How about putting some real content into the forums instead of tears?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 13:52:00 - [56] Edited by: Miilla on 11/04/2011 13:52:06 Originally by: dexington Originally by: MisterAl tt1 Meaning "let it slide and let CCP don't bother about doing some non-professional work again" ? No. I want CCP to see that users ARE interested in seeing CCP really do something like they should. You just want to ***** and whine, did someone put chilly on your tampax or what? I think CCP get the point. If you really want to make a point, STOP PAYING (and PLAYING). Right?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 13:57:00 - [57] Originally by: MisterAl tt1 Trolls damage controling CCP ? How nice. Not at all, I just know reality and don't have my head firmly rammed up my buttocks like the rest of the "engineering" "experts" on here whining and demanding firings etc.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:12:00 - [58] Edited by: Miilla on 11/04/2011 14:15:09 Originally by: Gnulpie Edited by: Gnulpie on 11/04/2011 14:03:23 Originally by: Zey Nadar Pointing out that there are more glaring holes in the new forum than just the signature exploit. And the best part is that these holes were reported in the test phase. Do you have any proof that those issues were reported? Any mails/correspondence? Forum posts? Bug ID's? And who reported them? And in which detail were those problems reported? That's not the problem, the problem is, he went and exploited it. He should have just made the problem public and let it at that. But no, he had to be an a.sshat and exploit it. There is a little thing called TRIAGE on bugs. If only you saw the amount of issues triaged out to wont fix or postponed at Microsoft, why? They are below the fix bar at that point in time, and probably lack of resources and also not their primary focus or perhaps just a badly explained bug repro and impact. There is no reason to go exploit the bug to deny us all the service we pay for. That is a no no. Shout all he wants publically, thats what whistleblowers do. End of story. Given the attitude this guy has, he probably wrote it in rage speak in the email and bug report with l33t too. I can see why it would be downgraded or ignored. He crossed the line.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:32:00 - [59] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: Miilla That's not the problem, the problem is, he went and exploited it. I don't think that's a problem for anyone but himself, assuming he did no damage.. He did do damage, he started posting as somebody else, modifying other customers posts and end result we where denied access to the service for a few days.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:36:00 - [60] Originally by: LtCol Laurentius Originally by: Miilla That's not the problem, the problem is, he went and exploited it. He should have just made the problem public and let it at that. But no, he had to be an a.sshat and exploit it. There is a little thing called TRIAGE on bugs. If only you saw the amount of issues triaged out to wont fix or postponed at Microsoft, why? They are below the fix bar at that point in time, and probably lack of resources and also not their primary focus or perhaps just a badly explained bug repro and impact. There is no reason to go exploit the bug to deny us all the service we pay for. That is a no no. Shout all he wants publically, thats what whistleblowers do. End of story. Given the attitude this guy has, he probably wrote it in rage speak in the email and bug report with l33t too. I can see why it would be downgraded or ignored. He crossed the line. You use the word exploits as if it were true. Previosly you linked the definition of "whistleblower" in you ongoing campaign to whiteknight CCP. Let me thus prove a definition of "exploit": "An exploit, in video games, is the use of a bug or design flaw by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers". Its very clear that you dont like him "feeding his ego", but I doubt that it can be classified as en "exploit". He took advantage of his bug and used it to post as other people and gain moderator privlidges and also modifying other customers posts, that is exploiting.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:41:00 - [61] Originally by: Hel O'Ween Originally by: Miilla Given the attitude this guy has, he probably wrote it in rage speak in the email and bug report with l33t too. I can see why it would be downgraded or ignored. Granted, Cat isn't a trained diplomat, but he has been a helpful member of the 3rd party dev community over the years. Just check out the Tech Lab forums for his posts, before you make any wild assumptions. And if you as a company ignore a bug report about a serious security issue because you don't like "the sound" of it, you're doing it terribly wrong. When you write a bug, write it clear and concise and include the impact. you dont run off in an ego tantrum and exploit it then post to the world asking if they also want to exploit it. You just post the facts, and leave it at that. He is not involved in the decision process, however how he presents it can influence the decision if done correctly.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:45:00 - [62] Edited by: Miilla on 11/04/2011 14:45:17 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla He did do damage, he started posting as somebody else, modifying other customers posts and end result we where denied access to the service for a few days. So where's the damage? 2 days inaccessible forum service we pay for, loss of confidence in our account security, damage to the reputation of the product and processes. Damage is not always measurable as money.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:48:00 - [63] Originally by: dexington Edited by: dexington on 11/04/2011 14:45:06 Originally by: Miilla When you write a bug, write it clear and concise and include the impact. you dont run off in an ego tantrum... Finding security bugs is all about showing the other guy you know more about programming and it-tech then he does, the world needs to know when you are better then someone else. That is why those people never make management or lead positions as they cannot handle the decision process and lack maturity in the thinking. The higher up you go the more it becomes less a technical decision and more a business decision. Learn that and you will go far otherwise you end up sitting in your cage competing with students (cheaper and work longer hours). True fact of employment.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:51:00 - [64] Pay me 10 plex and I will change sides :)
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:55:00 - [65] Originally by: dexington Edited by: dexington on 11/04/2011 14:52:10 Originally by: Miilla That is why those people never make management or lead positions as they cannot handle the decision process and lack maturity in the thinking. The higher up you go the more it becomes less a technical decision and more a business decision. Learn that and you will go far otherwise you end up sitting in your cage competing with students (cheaper and work longer hours). True fact of employment. You make it sounds like that's a bad thing, you can easily get a salary where money is not a big deal without being in management, and you don't have to do the meeting and the hierarchical butt kissing... not being in management is win/win. Still being in a lead role also means you have to factor in business decisions which are inherently non-technically influenced and you have to at the end of the day, accept the decision made and 99% of those decisions have very good business reasons for not doing A or B when you think about it and you have to then execute that decision, a lot of rage boy engineers cannot do that and keep ranting oh but thats not right yes theyre right, from an engineer perspective, but that's not the perspective the decision was taken with (well that was factored in ofcourse), I've seen it first hand.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Niraia Originally by: Miilla Originally by: dexington Edited by: dexington on 11/04/2011 14:52:10 Originally by: Miilla That is why those people never make management or lead positions as they cannot handle the decision process and lack maturity in the thinking. The higher up you go the more it becomes less a technical decision and more a business decision. Learn that and you will go far otherwise you end up sitting in your cage competing with students (cheaper and work longer hours). True fact of employment. You make it sounds like that's a bad thing, you can easily get a salary where money is not a big deal without being in management, and you don't have to do the meeting and the hierarchical butt kissing... not being in management is win/win. Still being in a lead role also means you have to factor in business decisions which are inherently non-technically influenced and you have to at the end of the day, accept the decision made and 99% of those decisions have very good business reasons for not doing A or B when you think about it and you have to then execute that decision, a lot of rage boy engineers cannot do that and keep ranting oh but thats not right yes theyre right, from an engineer perspective, but that's not the perspective the decision was taken with (well that was factored in ofcourse), I've seen it first hand. I'm trying to figure out what the business reasons for releasing a forum replacement that wasn't tested for security are, but I can't. I see it like this: Best case, company is seen to be doing something productive. Worst/this case, customers lose faith in company, company loses customers. What am I missing, from my naive engineering perspective? It probalby was evaluated for security. Saying it was not just naieve. Most processes have a threat model.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:13:00 - [67] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla It probalby was evaluated for security. Saying it was not just naieve. Most processes have a threat model. àand yet the most common thread imaginable was not found. So either the process was deeply flawed (and shouldn't exist in its current incarnation) or it already didn't exist. The effect is much the same. Or perhaps it wasn't reported correctly which resulted in a breakdown of communication, that seems one factor here. I would love to see his report on this but I didn't all I saw was him exploiting it. Bad news.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:15:00 - [68] Originally by: dexington Originally by: Niraia I'm trying to figure out what the business reasons for releasing a forum replacement that wasn't tested for security are, but I can't. Maybe they were behind schedule, and then asked if they were ready to deploy someone took a chance and said yes. It¦s always the last 10% that takes 90% of the time, it's so much easier to do the last changes/fixes when you have user feedback/test data from a running system, someone probably believed the last fixes and changes could be applied to the deployed system. Probably would even have been a good idea, had it not been security issues they needed to fix. Bingo, DATE DRIVEN. Most businesses are date driven, when do we deliver this to market, when does this go live? How can you plan a business without dates? Especially in a competitive world where you don't have the luxary of "when its ready" or perhaps you already committed to this date by communicating it and then you have to run with it.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:18:00 - [69] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla Or perhaps it wasn't reported correctly which resulted in a breakdown of communication, that seems one factor here. I would love to see his report on this but I didn't all I saw was him exploiting it. Bad news. Now you're mixing two completely different processes. I'm talking about the security evaluation; you're talking about what happened because no such evaluation took place. So what your saying is, we're both guessing. Like everybody else, all acting experts and claiming to know what happened and why, guessing and blame raging. Right? I know I am, just as you are.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:21:00 - [70] Originally by: William Henry McGregor Originally by: Miilla It probalby was evaluated for security. Saying it was not just naieve. Most processes have a threat model. Your believe - I don't buy it, no one does! The "new and shiny" forum was "Broken by Design"(TM) - there was absolutely no QA. Everyone with a functioning brain could see it. Well, the reason behind this new forum is simple: CCP wants all of us forced into SpaceBook! Something no sane person ever wanted. You're right no sane person wants to be social or be able to single sign on to their service and no sane person wants to read their eve mail without logging onto eve client, right? No sane company wants to integrate their own service seamlessly.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:25:00 - [71] Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going. Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:30:00 - [72] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: Miilla Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Anyone who follows MMOs should be aware of those acronyms. It's a well known story. What's an MMO?
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:39:00 - [73] Originally by: El'Niaga Originally by: Miilla Originally by: El'Niaga I think Miilla is a CCP employee being paid to troll this thread instead of doing real work like perhaps checking code for the new forums..... It is now well into the afternoon CCP, we would like that update we were promised. Yes I'm expecting some heads to roll, you've been to lax for far to long with your employees. Just remember as SOE trashed their own community with the NGE rollout of SWG and have never had a successful launch since, you could do that to your own name with the way things are going. Wow, its true, all those 3 letters really do make you look like you know what you are talking about. Like many events in life, this is a pivot point. It's already on 3rd party sites, many of the same sites that led to the decline of SWG over the NGE. CCP can hone up to what's been done, smooth over community relations or decide not to learn from SOE and have their reputation damaged. That's what's at stake, it isn't just EVE, this would spill over to all their projects just like it did for SOE. That would greatly hurt a successful launch of DUST and of World of Darkness. There CEO should have come in over the weekend and made a statement etc. Stonewalling will not help them and will only lead to further problems down the road for them. People though can be fantastically forgiving if you're honest with them, it's when they feel you are hiding something or withholding from them that quickly love turns to hate, and all the energy they used previously to build up something they use to destroy that same thing. Yes a forum can kill Dust which is on consoles because console users care about a keyboard which is required to type into a forum.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:41:00 - [74] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla It probalby was evaluated for security. Saying it was not just naieve. Most processes have a threat model. àand yet the most common thread imaginable was not found. So either the process was deeply flawed (and shouldn't exist in its current incarnation) or it already didn't exist. The effect is much the same. Or perhaps it wasn't reported correctly which resulted in a breakdown of communication, that seems one factor here. I would love to see his report on this but I didn't all I saw was him exploiting it. Bad news. You are avoiding the fact that it was not only Catari who reported and petitioned bugs. I know of at least three others who did as well. Helicity, who posted earlier on in this thread is one of them. It would be most helpful if you stopped trying to put all the focus on Catari and instead stick to the issue of how the forums got released in the state they did. You are avoiding the fact that it was Catari who EXPLOITED this for his own ego gain. He even bragged about it.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:50:00 - [75] Edited by: Miilla on 11/04/2011 15:51:10 Originally by: El'Niaga I'm beginning to wonder at your intelligence. Has nothing to do with the error was on a forum etc. It is a series of events that shows incompetence on CCPs part going back years. Over time that erodes customer support and confidence. As customers who were once stalwart supporters feel slighted they can turn into some of the greatest critics. That's what happened with SOE and SWG. They made changes, they made unpopular changes, they decried their customers. Much like yourself challenging their intelligence etc. In the end those customers who had loved the game prior became its most vocal critics. SWG lost over half its population in 90 days (EVE on the other hand doubled population in that time....to give you a hint where they went). Due to the events of those days, SOE has not had a successful launch of any MMO since. It has now been over 6 years and they have not recovered, and it will probably be many more before they do. And yet you still are here using their service and probably paying them in some form or other. If you don't like their service, quit using it.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:27:00 - [76] Stable and Secure YAF has been vetted. YAF has been around since 2003. During that time, the application has been throughly tested. Since the code has been freely available for 7 years, there is nothing to hide and no stone has been left unturned.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:34:00 - [77] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Steve Thomas Crome I was promptly told that it had detected and blocked suspected attacks BEFORE THE PAGE LOADED ok I may need to replace Firefox. ^^ This is good advice. Or reconfigure it and install NoScript etc. I don't think noscript allows finegrained script blocking, just at the CDN level. Pitty, correct me if I am wrong. It would be awesome to allow just some scripts on a CDN.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Bomberlocks Originally by: Miilla Originally by: Bomberlocks ....You are avoiding the fact that it was not only Catari who reported and petitioned bugs. I know of at least three others who did as well. Helicity, who posted earlier on in this thread is one of them. It would be most helpful if you stopped trying to put all the focus on Catari and instead stick to the issue of how the forums got released in the state they did. You are avoiding the fact that it was Catari who EXPLOITED this for his own ego gain. He even bragged about it. No, I am not. He did brag about it on SHC. Why he did that is something you'll have to ask him. Now that we've got that out of the way, do you think we could go back to the problem of the forums, or would that be asking too much? He not only bragged about it, he EXPLOITED the issue. Stop avoiding the fact he EXPLOITED a forum bug.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:57:00 - [79] Originally by: Steve Thomas Originally by: Helicity Boson Originally by: Miilla Stable and Secure YAF has been vetted. YAF has been around since 2003. During that time, the application has been throughly tested. Since the code has been freely available for 7 years, there is nothing to hide and no stone has been left unturned. You are correct. There's nothing inherently wrong with YAF. The blame for this shameful debacle lies squarely with CCP and their incompetent gutting of a working bit of software. I'm still not entirely sure how I feel about all this. Terified might be a good place to start, after all there Database is also a off the shelf product just like YAF is. only they customised it to work the way they wanted it to work... which reminds me, Im never ever going to use the IGB in EvE again. YAF being open source they could have submitted their functional changes back into the project which would also get a review.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:59:00 - [80] Originally by: Elyssa MacLeod hey Yuki Kulotsuki, whats the alliance? Electrified dead skunk hair Inc.

Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:17:00 - [81] Originally by: Hel O'Ween Originally by: Miilla Stop avoiding the fact he EXPLOITED a forum bug. After no action has been taken by CCP, he demonstrated the security problems. This is common practice. As guess you call it "kidnapping" if someone hinders a thief of running away until the police arrives. You should ask the customers who's accounts he exploited on the forum if they liked his "demonstration".
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:52:00 - [82] Originally by: Zey Nadar Edited by: Zey Nadar on 11/04/2011 17:40:50 Originally by: Miilla YAF being open source they could have submitted their functional changes back into the project which would also get a review. I don't know why Im responding to you, but the point is that CCP ripped off what security measures YAF HAD and tried to put in their own miserable **-up of eve gate-integration. edit: hey devs, if youre reading this I want a "ignore user" option to the new forums. Originally by:** Miilla You should ask the customers who's accounts he exploited on the forum if they liked his "demonstration". Ironically, I believe they were CCP's. I guess CCP didn't mind.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:54:00 - [83] Originally by: Sullen Skoung is Sreegs' blog out yet? He's in the WC preparing it.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: NinjaSpud stuff The errors in the forums was the kind of thing that should never make it past code review. There were feedback threads on the test set up that were ignored and the forums were pushed live. When you're adapting software that works and you make it unstable that's a problem. It is even more of a problem when people EXPLOIT the defects for their own gain.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:03:00 - [85] Edited by: Miilla on 11/04/2011 18:03:05 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla It is even more of a problem when people EXPLOIT the defects for their own gain. Good thing no-one did that then. You're right, nothing happened. The forums just modified themselves.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:06:00 - [86] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla You're right, nothing happened. The forums just modified themselves. So who exploited the defects for their own gain? Oh, and you still haven't answered the question about what damage Cat did. What was it? Apparently the forum will answer you all by itself, its sentient.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:08:00 - [87] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Miilla Apparently the forum will answer you all by itself, its sentient. So who exploited the defects for their own gain? Oh, and you still haven't answered the question about what damage Cat did. What was it? The forums will type up a response all by itself any minute now.
Miilla Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2011.04.14 22:43:00 - [88] Edited by: Miilla on 14/04/2011 22:44:32 Perhaps he should get some certifications?

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