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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:48:00 -
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Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums, as that is what they've been using for 7+ years, and generally people hate change.
...But I choose the old forums...I mean new ones!
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Adamina
Gallente Death By Snu Snu
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:50:00 -
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I liked the new one
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Ydnari
Gallente Estrale Frontiers
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:57:00 -
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old
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums
And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot. _
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Nyio
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:00:00 -
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I'd have to go with Old. Can't you like, mate them and see what the offspring would look like? =/
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums
And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot.
You're really pushing that thread . I will admit that the last months have really tested the faith and dedication of the player base, but doesn't this generally happen when a company or individual is working on something new or different? Something many people aren't really used to or maybe even understand?
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:22:00 -
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New forums, they're a little slow but that'll get ironed out.
Positives and negatives +Nice shiny large avatars +Useful search function +Decent colour scheme
-A little slow sometimes -Can't think of anything else but there's probably more
Undecided The "Like" system. It could be useful if implemented properly but as it stands now it's too easily abused. Plus linking likes to the user rather than the post/thread in question seems like a waste of time, better off turning it into a support button like in the Assembly hall, which is another thing the new forums need.
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Idami Raptor
Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley New forums, they're a little slow but that'll get ironed out.
Positives and negatives +Nice shiny large avatars +Useful search function +Decent colour scheme
-A little slow sometimes -Can't think of anything else but there's probably more
Undecided The "Like" system. It could be useful if implemented properly but as it stands now it's too easily abused. Plus linking likes to the user rather than the post/thread in question seems like a waste of time, better off turning it into a support button like in the Assembly hall, which is another thing the new forums need.
Fixed width that only takes up about half the screen unless you're using a setup from the late 90s?
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Anitta Blake
BSC LEGION Nabaal Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:28:00 -
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old ones that work
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Idami Raptor
Fixed width that only takes up about half the screen unless you're using a setup from the late 90s?
I agree that wasted space is a bad thing, but I'm quite comfortable with the width of the forums in this case.
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Idami Raptor
Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Fixed width that only takes up about half the screen unless you're using a setup from the late 90s?
I agree that wasted space is a bad thing, but I'm quite comfortable with the width of the forums in this case.
Well good for you. As for me, I had to download an addon to fix it, 'cause it was way too irritating.
I also forgot to mention the color choices that were literally giving people headaches :D
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Julyan Fox
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Julyan Fox on 10/04/2011 02:38:35 Edited by: Julyan Fox on 10/04/2011 02:36:52 The old forum is much easier to the eyes, but it looks outdated. Maybe you really should reconsider the design. I like the larger portrait tho.
I know I ve been flooding bout this already but you guys should consider using transparency in the design since you got an art team that manage to do godly gaz cloud backgrounds.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:34:00 -
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Originally by: Idami Raptor
Well good for you. As for me, I had to download an addon to fix it, 'cause it was way too irritating.
I also forgot to mention the color choices that were literally giving people headaches :D
Since you're not a rabid lunatic like most people who are talking about the new forums, can you explain to me what the problem with the colour scheme is? I can't see much of a difference from the old forums.
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Kinta Huron
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:36:00 -
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I prefer the new forums by far looks better and much easier to navigate.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:38:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 02:40:25
Originally by: Jon Taggart
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums
And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot.
You're really pushing that thread . I will admit that the last months have really tested the faith and dedication of the player base, but doesn't this generally happen when a company or individual is working on something new or different? Something many people aren't really used to or maybe even understand?
Not for a company that allegedly ran under the slogan of "excellence" that ends up rushing barely functional content out to meet an arbitrary deadline (one that nobody else but their own marketing department has imposed)... and not for a very, very long time. It's not like it's a new thing, it started showing its ugly teeth quite obviously almost two years ago, with subtle hints of it going back almost three years ago.
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Idami Raptor
Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:42:00 -
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Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:47:16
Originally by: Wilhelm Riley
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Well good for you. As for me, I had to download an addon to fix it, 'cause it was way too irritating.
I also forgot to mention the color choices that were literally giving people headaches :D
Since you're not a rabid lunatic like most people who are talking about the new forums, can you explain to me what the problem with the colour scheme is? I can't see much of a difference from the old forums.
Contrast. One of the most important things for readability is good contrast between the text and the background. This is particularly the case as the text gets smaller(for example, at higher monitor resolutions). If the contrast isn't great enough, the letters start fuzzing as they seem to slightly 'bleed' into the background, and you have to strain to make them out. This can cause both headaches and eyestrain.
You'll notice for example that on this forum the text is a very bright, pure white and the backgrounds are dark grey (even the lighter one is fairly dark), with maybe just a hint of blue in them. The font is also quite sharp and crisp and stands out nicely from the background. The new forums had a different font that didn't stand out as well, and may have been just a little bit grey rather than white. The backgrounds were also a different type of grey that also hurts the text standing out, and makes it harder to read.
Edit: I'll also add that my own experiments on the subject found that the two color schemes that were easiest on the eyes were blue text on black and red text on black, with red text being the superior. White, yellow, and bright green also worked pretty well but weren't quite so...comfortable.
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:43:00 -
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Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 10/04/2011 02:53:49 Is this a good place to ask again for my "free" remap that in a fair implementation of a gift to all players, that I would have gotten last month ?
(all of the pitchforks being brandished reminded me of that little fly I had in my ointment ... but i've discarded that ointment.. but .. i remember that half used tube of ointment like yesterday.. but lol ok ..)
just a joke. ... i'm over that... as long as i dont' think about it
edit: oh yeah,, I guess this is connected because at the time I thought the real reason they didn't implement a fair solution was because the auto increment at original renewal date would have been a bother to code annd that seemed silly to me, but maybe a forum is hard too so.. ((and btw, I've come to believe that the real issue was some senior guy with his panties in a bunch over the value of attributes and a dirty compromise to appease him while still letting peole messed with by the learning skills change to their plans a way out))
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Lord Ryan
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:46:00 -
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old. I do like the big pics on the new, but thats it.
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 02:40:25
Originally by: Jon Taggart
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums
And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot.
You're really pushing that thread . I will admit that the last months have really tested the faith and dedication of the player base, but doesn't this generally happen when a company or individual is working on something new or different? Something many people aren't really used to or maybe even understand?
Not for a company that allegedly ran under the slogan of "excellence" that ends up rushing barely functional content out to meet an arbitrary deadline (one that nobody else but their own marketing department has imposed)... and not for a very, very long time. It's not like it's a new thing, it started showing its ugly teeth quite obviously almost two years ago, with subtle hints of it going back almost three years ago.
You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on?
I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at.
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Idami Raptor
Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector
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Posted - 2011.04.10 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Taggart
You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on?
I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at.
*eyes the character creator and station recustomization feature, ponders that Incarna is allegedly going to be rolled out in 'chunks' starting with the captain's quarters rather than all at once, that the CQ still isn't on SiSi...and then remembers seeing the first incarna screenshots in late 2006/early 2007*
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Zofran
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:02:00 -
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Old
They could have at least ported the old posts, I mean... for a company/game that's always banging the drum on about some 'persistent' world... kinda derpy.
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Jon Taggart
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Jon Taggart on 10/04/2011 03:05:25
Originally by: Idami Raptor
Originally by: Jon Taggart
You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on?
I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at.
*eyes the character creator and station recustomization feature, ponders that Incarna is allegedly going to be rolled out in 'chunks' starting with the captain's quarters rather than all at once, that the CQ still isn't on SiSi...and then remembers seeing the first incarna screenshots in late 2006/early 2007*
Well if I remember correctly, the "chunks" strategy was first used on the Incursion expansion with a degree of success. I'm sure Incarna will also go in that direction beginning with CQs, and I am 100% certain many players will be displeased with this, saying "That's it?" in return.
Would you say that's more of a necessary evil with a 6-month expansion rollout? Should CCP scrap this plan and release a stable, content-filled expansion once a year instead?
I know Incarna has long been in the making, I remember when it was first announced all those years ago. I'm getting a little impatient myself.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:04:00 -
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Old, the new can win me over if they fix the many issues
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Jojo Jackson
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 10/04/2011 03:11:05 A forum is used to write and read text. And that's ALL what is important: how well can I read text in a forum?
New forum was terrible to read (WTF this quotes? If the designer is so damn blind he should buy new glasses!). Combined with a massive wast of space (if you have to scroll down a hole page peer post it doesn't make fun to read).
Solution: take the style/layout of the old forum with the functions of the new forum ;)
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 10/04/2011 03:13:02
Originally by: Julyan Fox
The old forum is much easier to the eyes, but it looks outdated. Maybe you really should reconsider the design. I like the larger portrait tho.
I know I ve been flooding bout this already but you guys should consider using transparency in the design since you got an art team that manage to do godly gaz cloud backgrounds.
Ooooo... Pretty. And it matches the ingame Eve interface. Why doesn't CCP use this!
It would even allow them to stretch the forum and still give us visible background changes with new expansions.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 03:13:17
Originally by: Jon Taggart You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on? I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at.
It's not even just that they roll out unfinished junk, or that they don't polish enough old features properly, but the new features that get introduced are mostly fluff while important changes that would probably require less work get skipped because they lack "glamour" and also when somebody points out a glaring error it takes ages to fix. In no particular order or importance... other than those you mentioned... POS work is a pain in the ass (plus "flogging the dead horse" topic), FW is still lackluster, corp role management is a nightmare, the S&I interface is still pretty unwieldy, we still have no stockmarket nor any secure way to trade shares, no incentives exist to stop blobbing (more is almost always better), there are no feature for corp-wide trade, we were promised storefronts (and we even had them briefly on SiSi, but they were dropped entirely), PI is far from balanced still (and a long way away from the initial vision), the market was extended to contain faction ammo and then ships yet items are not yet to be seen, COSMOS missions give out blueprints than no sane person would ever bother manufacturing from, a lot of items are practically useless and others are impractically expensive, the mission "auto-reward-balancing" (especially for storylines) leads to ugly results for a lot of those missions, MINING IS A MESS and needs to be revamped from the ground up (proposals abound, and most would be easy to implement, but alas, no chance), the insurance payouts were supposed to be somewhat dynamic yet they were only altered once, dreadnoughts are worse than useless, AFs still have a "dud" bonus, you can't tell "normal" materials from "extra" materials (to know which one is affected by ME waste) until you actually try to install the job, T3 basic materials are also completely out of whack rarity-wise, invention was introduced heavily prenerfed and ever so slightly buffed but still nowhere near enough, there's STILL no way to gain standings other than running missions even if we were promised once upon a time we'd get alternatives, the LOCAL & AFK-cloaker pair of issues, unscannable ships, the PI reprocessing debacle, the wormhole exploit infinidamage, the POS dupe scandal (which should have not even needed to be pointed out by the community but should have been caught by CCP), the new forums, the ENTIRE HUGE 200+ ITEM BACKLOG from the CSM... ...and so on and so forth, plus god knows how many I don't even know about.
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Palmput
Japanese Atomic Brokers
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:13:00 -
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The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really? -
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:14:00 -
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Originally by: Palmput The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really?
Yes, really. This is not a teenager's home PC hosted site.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus Old, the new can win me over if they fix the many issues
same here. ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Palmput
Japanese Atomic Brokers
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Palmput The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really?
Yes, really. This is not a teenager's home PC hosted site.
I've never been to a brand new forum that wasn't created on a .webs place. I don't know how to expect features from in-house code. -
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