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Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:16:00 - [1] Let's pretend for a second that the new forums are working properly without security flaws. Which one do you prefer? New or old?
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:18:00 - [2] Old forums. Better layout, colour scheme, usability, integration, emoticons. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Akiro Tukana	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:18:00 - [3] Edited by: Akiro Tukana on 10/04/2011 00:18:22 Old...... no if's, and's or but's about it except for things like posting with wrong character
sableye principle of motion	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:18:00 - [4] feature wise the old one, looks wise the new one, usability wise the old one. I do get tired of the 2 minute timer though.... ----------------------------------------- View The North Star! In All Its Glory!!
Booken Blue Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:20:00 - [5] old
Emmely Chi	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:20:00 - [6] The old...
Cunane Jeran	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:21:00 - [7] The old <3
Turix Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:21:00 - [8] Old ones, by a mile. The new ones hurt my head in so many ways; you can tell it was given to the art team first then shoved under some programmers nose to "make it work". I suggest CCP does another round of beta testing on it personally, a lot of issues from the first round still seemed to be in existence. CCP Hint: Your players are your customers, when the crowd comes to a consensus on an issue it is wise to listen. __________________________
S'Way Bitter Vets	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:21:00 - [9] Old by far - the colour scheme gave me a headache after 5 mins, couldn't read more than a page or two at a time.
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:22:00 - [10] New, so long as it gets images and, um, maybe some sort of security might be a good idea too.

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:23:00 - [11] Originally by: sableye feature wise the old one, looks wise the new one, usability wise the old one. ^^ Pretty much that. The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. That counts for roughly nothing ù less so because you have to turn said bling off to make the actual forum functional. I'm sure it could be expanded into having equal ù or even better ù functionality, but it has a long way to go before we get there. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:24:00 - [12] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 10/04/2011 00:24:55 Old, without question. My primary complaints: - They don't look just like the old ones (I'm a stick in the mud) - The emoticons didn't work for some reason. - The avatars are too big... this really compounds the fact most people are **ing terrible at making avatars. - The quotes are too big... and limited in number. :( - The like system is stupid. It needs limits. - They're thoroughly exploitable. That's all I can think of for now. -Liang Ed: OOH! The pages were shorter, and it kept sending me to the last page of the thread. That was ing annoying. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Ulmega	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:24:00 - [13] Old ones by such a distance that even when you combine the top 100 of super computers in the world they would crash to put out the number to describe it. Old just feels like home, new feel like a cheep holiday apartment, good for 1-3 weeks after that you really want your own living room, your own bed.
Copine Callmeknau Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:25:00 - [14] IF the new forums were 100% complete instead of ~85% complete and with gaping security holes, then I would definitely prefer the new forums As it was released though... old forums for sure. The new ones were a downgrade atm I would rather be podded than go back to using that abomination of a forum. Finish it, THEN release it CCP, not the other way round >_< Stunning EVE Online Theme for PS3
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:26:00 - [15] Originally by: Tippia The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. It had a working Search function that allowed us to find threads about felching.
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:30:00 - [16] Old, mostly for : 1) current/historical content threads 2) better color layout that isn't headache inducing (thank god for the Stylish mod) 3) better design layout (nuff said) 4) faster (compared to that bloated jscript monster) 5) less of a hassle (EVEgate login wtf? ... I don't use Evegate that much) 6) contents sidebar of the main Eve website .... instead of that blasted EVEGate container.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:31:00 - [17] These right here, not even a split second of hesitation. The old ones, or as I like to call them now, the NEW new ones. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Ulmega	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Sturmwolke Old, mostly for : 1) current/historical content threads 2) better color layout that isn't headache inducing (thank god for the Stylish mod) 3) better design layout (nuff said) 4) faster (compared to that bloated jscript monster) 5) less of a hassle (EVEgate login wtf? ... I don't use Evegate that much) 6) contents sidebar of the main Eve website .... instead of that blasted EVEGate container. This sums up my practical list pretty well. and I didn't use EVE gate till the New forums where launched and I was forced to.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:33:00 - [19] Originally by: Sturmwolke Old, mostly for : 1) current/historical content threads 2) better color layout that isn't headache inducing (thank god for the Stylish mod) 3) better design layout (nuff said) 4) faster (compared to that bloated jscript monster) ~~5) less of a hassle (EVEgate login wtf? ... I don't use Evegate that much)~~ 6) contents sidebar of the main Eve website .... ~~instead of that blasted EVEGate container.~~ Agreed with most of this: Good summation. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:36:00 - [20] If the new forums had some user configurable colors and such (you know like modern forum software has)... and support for the existing set of BB Codes that the old forums have... AND most importantly had all of the content of the old ones, then the new forums I think are better laid out and take advantage of accepted practices for negative space better, and I like the bigger portraits too. Oh yeah, I think the like system, without a dislike system is pointless.

MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:38:00 - [21] I'm used to the old forums. But the new seems to have some really nice features. Also, it's easier to look up player/corp/ally info, etc. Eve Gate's pretty nice. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:38:00 - [22] I prefer the new one, visuals-wise. Though I'll take the old ones since CCP seem to be just as incompetent at making forums as they are at running an MMO. If we really must have a new forum, just use PHPBB. Please. And give us a separate password to use for the forums too! Also; I was quite amused to find that my predictions of massive flaws with the new forum's back end were spot on. Ye'llo?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:39:00 - [23] Originally by: Jada Maroo It had a working Search function that allowed us to find threads about felching. Mehà I have a custom google-search shortcut made for these forums anyway, so finding stuff is easy. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:41:00 - [24] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Also; I was quite amused to find that my predictions of massive flaws with the new forum's back end were spot on. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Spend your time doom saying and eventually one of them might turn out true. So, flame CCP for f-ing up but don't delude yourself in your predictive abilities. Wealth, howsoever got, in Eve makes Lords of morons and gentlemen of thieves; Aptitude and intellect are needless here; 'Tis impudence and money that grants fame.
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:45:00 - [25] New ones. Favorites was nice. Quick reply was nice. Reading and sending Eve Mails from it was nice. Overall look and feel was nice. Of course they have problems, though: No images. Huge waste of space at the sides of the readable content. Huge avatars. I like the new ones a lot better overall but some things in them (like having maybe 3 posts per screen) don't scream usability.
SupaKudoRio	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: SupaKudoRio Also; I was quite amused to find that my predictions of massive flaws with the new forum's back end were spot on. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Spend your time doom saying and eventually one of them might turn out true. So, flame CCP for f-ing up but don't delude yourself in your predictive abilities. And I'm more broken than most, so just once for me. Ye'llo?
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:52:00 - [27] Like system is horrible POS. Systems like this almost always lead to endless circlejerk and not much else.
Irani Firecam Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:55:00 - [28] Quick reply was a good addition to the 'new' boards. --- Click here for my high resolution renders.
Eugene Spencer Rodents of Unusual Size	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:56:00 - [29] New. Get over yourselves. ===== I have a specific comb for my beard.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:56:00 - [30] I prefer web sites that are quickest without scripts running on them over those with more features. As an example, do you guys follow any forums on TV shows? The semi amateur forums using supposedly dated data management techniques are so much quicker and more stable than the network sites its amazing. Two guys operating out of a rented apartment seem to beet what costs the huge companies millions in consulting fee's by huge teams of designers of different stripes every time . Is it the non technical client (brand managers etc) demands that screw the companies sites up?

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:57:00 - [31] Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 01:01:05 There was literally nothing I actually used that I liked about the new (temp suspended) forums. EDIT : sure, there was the functional search, but a) lacking all old content and b) either using evesearch or "<text of search> site:eveonline.com" in google was almost as good. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 00:58:00 - [32] Originally by: SupaKudoRio Originally by: Shar Tegral Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Spend your time doom saying and eventually one of them might turn out true. So, flame CCP for f-ing up but don't delude yourself in your predictive abilities. And I'm more broken than most, so just once for me. So more of a 24h-clock kind of guy, eh? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Ruziel Minmatar Twilight Military Industrial Complex	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:00:00 - [33] Old, by far.
Fredfredbug4 Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:02:00 - [34] New, the whole old website feels like something out of the early 2000s. The new one feels so much smoother and is a lot easier to read (especially on mobile devices). Plus what is this lag people keep talking about? If your computer is to slow to load some text and a fade in effect how the hell do you play EVE? I run the new forums very fast, with EVE, itunes, Opera, and sometimes even Minecraft Multiplayer on. And I don't have a fantastic computer either. It's from 2008, dual core, with only 2G of ram. My internet isn't super fast either.
Daelorn	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:03:00 - [35] I like things from both of them. I hate how squished everything feels on the new forums though.
Irani Firecam Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Fredfredbug4 New, the whole old website feels like something out of the early 2000s. The new one feels so much smoother and is a lot easier to read (especially on mobile devices). Plus what is this lag people keep talking about? If your computer is to slow to load some text and a fade in effect how the hell do you play EVE? I run the new forums very fast, with EVE, itunes, Opera, and sometimes even Minecraft Multiplayer on. And I don't have a fantastic computer either. It's from 2008, dual core, with only 2G of ram. My internet isn't super fast either. Graphics/system lag is different from the network lag that the 'new' forums was suffering from. --- Click here for my high resolution renders.
Indy Rider Amarr Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:05:00 - [37] Old forums by far. The size of the avatar pictures was terrible. Lay out was pathetic, not to mention the rofl worthy security flaw. Can somoene pod the guy who decided on the new forums?
Barakkus	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:06:00 - [38] These forums look MUCH better and are way more readable. The new ones looked like a highschool or college project gone awry. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
Julien Brellier	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:07:00 - [39] Old. There is nothing wrong with them and they WORK.
Chinwe Rhei Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:08:00 - [40] New ones if they were working properly.

Apollo Gabriel Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:11:00 - [41] I want to prefer the new ones, but they just don't "read" well, my eyes don't catch any of the text, I think it is the fonts and contrast. I like the possibility of the new ones, but they still have many issues that need to be fixed. *** Signature may appear without warning! *** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
Ford Chicago Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:12:00 - [42] The old forums were difficult to use, had a number of annoying features and were far and away MUCH MUCH BETTER than the new crap CCP has thrown up. My primary complaint about the new forums is the horrible interface and massive waste of user interface space. The new forums contain some of the worst offenders in terms of human computer interaction and human computer facility imaginable. Very few people care about the portrait images of characters. There is NO justifiable reason to make them take up that much screen real estate except for CCP artists to show how many pixels their stupid little portraits can take up. There is no way to turn this off or minimize it so that it doesn't waste 25% of the the horizontal space. Secondly, there is far to much wasting of vertical space. This makes lists of topics and posts within topics much harder to read. Minimizing this space minimizes the amount of eye travel required when scanning forums which is the primary activity of people using internet forums. People don't "read" every word on the forums and certainly not every word in the subject lines. We scan them to find the ones that are personally interesting. Those that are interesting are read in more detail, but if it takes twice as long to read the topics, and twice as many pages to even list the topics because there is so much wasted vertical space, there will be less overall activity because the forums are simply too difficult or time consuming to use. CCP, please hire someone who knows what they are doing with regards to user interfaces and stop letting the graphic artists use this game and these forums as their personal palate for displaying every stupid pixel that crosses their screen.
Bel Amar Amarr Sudden Buggery	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:13:00 - [43] New forums for me. The old ones look like crap, and they have no search. Assuming the security issues are taken off the table, then the new ones win hands down for offering a search function and not looking like something developed in 1992. That being said, if the new forums turn in to a nest of animated smilies, huge sigs and "free likes" threads, then my opinion may change...
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:13:00 - [44] Originally by: Irani Firecam Originally by: Fredfredbug4 New, the whole old website feels like something out of the early 2000s. The new one feels so much smoother and is a lot easier to read (especially on mobile devices). Plus what is this lag people keep talking about? If your computer is to slow to load some text and a fade in effect how the hell do you play EVE? I run the new forums very fast, with EVE, itunes, Opera, and sometimes even Minecraft Multiplayer on. And I don't have a fantastic computer either. It's from 2008, dual core, with only 2G of ram. My internet isn't super fast either. Graphics/system lag is different from the network lag that the 'new' forums was suffering from. For relatively non technical people like me (curious and moderately introduced to concepts but with gaping holes in understanding) it is easiest for me to run a single secruity suite like Norton 360 and have it at pretty high security settings in terms of blocking scripts and pop ups etc. I don't want to think about updating those type of programs more than once every three or four years when i buy a new computer if possible (probably do it once a year)... well, I think security settings create lag, and rather than lower security settings why not design web sites that don't present content using unecessary glamour packaging of information they're conveying?
Casanunda Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:14:00 - [45] Edited by: Casanunda on 10/04/2011 01:15:44 The new ones looked better with the stylish/greasemonkey plugin someone kindly knocked up for us, in their default format it was bloody horrible. The forcing us to use eve-gate was kind of pointless to, prior to the new forum going live the only time I accessed it was to lock down all the stuff that should have been locked down in the first place. Eve-gate default privacy settings are pretty much on a par with facebooks, you have no privacy. I won't repeat what was wrong with them functionality wise, Akita and others have covered pretty much everything. offtopic Why does my damn avatar have no tattoos? The scars show, the new hair shows I want my tattoos to show.
Cyprus Black Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:15:00 - [46] Edited by: Cyprus Black on 10/04/2011 01:24:00 I want new forums. However the new forums that CCP is giving is I do not like. EvE Gate is quite possibly the most useless feature created. Possibly less useful than the ingame bounty system. Is it a good feature? Yes. Did we need? No. Does it do anything that third party programs don't already do? No. Is it easier to use and access than third party programs? No. Does it offer any alternate features that third party programs do? No. Is there any reason to use EvE Gate over any third party program? No.
Jame Jarl Retief	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:16:00 - [47] Old. Not a doubt in my mind. Layout is better, not as much space is wasted with the portraits, etc. Can't help but wonder how much time was wasted reinventing the wheel with the new forums, and with such a sad showing in the end after all the testing.
Alotta Baggage Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:19:00 - [48] New forums need dislike button so I can abuse it Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
Florentis	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:19:00 - [49] Old forum, and old null system!
Irani Firecam Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:19:00 - [50] Actually, I do prefer the 'new' forum, the 5 minutes per post on this board is pretty ******ed. --- Click here for my high resolution renders.

Darod Zyree Gallente Zyree Holding	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:20:00 - [51] ♥ old forums -Darod-
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:21:00 - [52] Originally by: Irani Firecam Actually, I do prefer the 'new' forum, the 5 minutes per post on this board is pretty ******ed. 2 minutes now, and you can bring that down to a couple of seconds with a few quick clicks. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:24:00 - [53] Originally by: sableye feature wise the old one, looks wise the new one, usability wise the old one. I do get tired of the 2 minute timer though.... This basically
Devil's Call Caldari Malicious Destruction	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:26:00 - [54] Edited by: Devil''s Call on 10/04/2011 01:28:19 I already mis the like button. /sarcasm off Edit: On a more serious note... both the new and the old forums have some nice features, I wouldn't really know which I prefer if I had to pick one actually. I'm really used to the old forums though so I guess my opinion is a bit biased? (Like everyones really:p) ----------------------------------------------- ôAll fixed set patterns are incapable of adaptability or pliability. The truth is outside of all fixed patterns.ö
Mortania Minmatar Kinetic Cartel Shadow of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:30:00 - [55] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Irani Firecam Actually, I do prefer the 'new' forum, the 5 minutes per post on this board is pretty ******ed. 2 minutes now, and you can bring that down to a couple of seconds with a few quick clicks. do tell...
Felix Decat	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:31:00 - [56] New forums, not even close. I thought these forums were outdated and useless in 2005. They still are. Searching for anything is pointless. No good way to track your previous posts. They were about 5 years overdue for an update. The fact CCP failed on delivering that update doesn't mean we should be happy with outdated forums. FFS, I don't believe any game anywhere has a bigger group of whiners.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:34:00 - [57] Originally by: Mortania Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Irani Firecam Actually, I do prefer the 'new' forum, the 5 minutes per post on this board is pretty *****ed. 2 minutes now, and you can bring that down to a couple of seconds with a few quick clicks. do tell... 2 minutes from last post in the current session*... _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:38:00 - [58] Using Stylish to make the new forums look mostly like the old ones was pretty good... you basically got all the good features of both, and it looked better than either of them. Pity you had to download an addon to get that!!
Rebal 88 Minmatar Black Ice Protectorate The Imperial Senate	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:41:00 - [59] Functionality wise, the old forums. Looks wise (for the most part) the new ones. And finally, I must say you've read my sig.
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:46:00 - [60] Originally by: Felix Decat New forums, not even close. I thought these forums were outdated and useless in 2005. They still are. Searching for anything is pointless. No good way to track your previous posts. They were about 5 years overdue for an update. The fact CCP failed on delivering that update doesn't mean we should be happy with outdated forums. FFS, I don't believe any game anywhere has a bigger group of whiners. quoting for the irony in this post.

Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:48:00 - [61] Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums, as that is what they've been using for 7+ years, and generally people hate change. ...But I choose the old forums...I mean new ones! I'm not an alt
Adamina Gallente Death By Snu Snu	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:50:00 - [62] I liked the new one
Ydnari Gallente Estrale Frontiers	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:57:00 - [63] old
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 01:58:00 - [64] Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Nyio Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:00:00 - [65] I'd have to go with Old. Can't you like, mate them and see what the offspring would look like? =/
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot. You're really pushing that thread . I will admit that the last months have really tested the faith and dedication of the player base, but doesn't this generally happen when a company or individual is working on something new or different? Something many people aren't really used to or maybe even understand? I'm not an alt
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:22:00 - [67] New forums, they're a little slow but that'll get ironed out. Positives and negatives +Nice shiny large avatars +Useful search function +Decent colour scheme -A little slow sometimes -Can't think of anything else but there's probably more Undecided The "Like" system. It could be useful if implemented properly but as it stands now it's too easily abused. Plus linking likes to the user rather than the post/thread in question seems like a waste of time, better off turning it into a support button like in the Assembly hall, which is another thing the new forums need.
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:24:00 - [68] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley New forums, they're a little slow but that'll get ironed out. Positives and negatives +Nice shiny large avatars +Useful search function +Decent colour scheme -A little slow sometimes -Can't think of anything else but there's probably more Undecided The "Like" system. It could be useful if implemented properly but as it stands now it's too easily abused. Plus linking likes to the user rather than the post/thread in question seems like a waste of time, better off turning it into a support button like in the Assembly hall, which is another thing the new forums need. Fixed width that only takes up about half the screen unless you're using a setup from the late 90s?
Anitta Blake BSC LEGION Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:28:00 - [69] old ones that work
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:28:00 - [70] Originally by: Idami Raptor Fixed width that only takes up about half the screen unless you're using a setup from the late 90s? I agree that wasted space is a bad thing, but I'm quite comfortable with the width of the forums in this case.

Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:30:00 - [71] Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Originally by: Idami Raptor Fixed width that only takes up about half the screen unless you're using a setup from the late 90s? I agree that wasted space is a bad thing, but I'm quite comfortable with the width of the forums in this case. Well good for you. As for me, I had to download an addon to fix it, 'cause it was way too irritating. I also forgot to mention the color choices that were literally giving people headaches :D
Julyan Fox Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:32:00 - [72] Edited by: Julyan Fox on 10/04/2011 02:38:35 Edited by: Julyan Fox on 10/04/2011 02:36:52 The old forum is much easier to the eyes, but it looks outdated. Maybe you really should reconsider the design. I like the larger portrait tho. I know I ve been flooding bout this already but you guys should consider using transparency in the design since you got an art team that manage to do godly gaz cloud backgrounds.
Wilhelm Riley	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:34:00 - [73] Originally by: Idami Raptor Well good for you. As for me, I had to download an addon to fix it, 'cause it was way too irritating. I also forgot to mention the color choices that were literally giving people headaches :D Since you're not a rabid lunatic like most people who are talking about the new forums, can you explain to me what the problem with the colour scheme is? I can't see much of a difference from the old forums.
Kinta Huron	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:36:00 - [74] I prefer the new forums by far looks better and much easier to navigate.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:38:00 - [75] Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 02:40:25 Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot. You're really pushing that thread . I will admit that the last months have really tested the faith and dedication of the player base, but doesn't this generally happen when a company or individual is working on something new or different? Something many people aren't really used to or maybe even understand? Not for a company that allegedly ran under the slogan of "excellence" that ends up rushing barely functional content out to meet an arbitrary deadline (one that nobody else but their own marketing department has imposed)... and not for a very, very long time. It's not like it's a new thing, it started showing its ugly teeth quite obviously almost two years ago, with subtle hints of it going back almost three years ago. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:42:00 - [76] Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 02:47:16 Originally by: Wilhelm Riley Originally by: Idami Raptor Well good for you. As for me, I had to download an addon to fix it, 'cause it was way too irritating. I also forgot to mention the color choices that were literally giving people headaches :D Since you're not a rabid lunatic like most people who are talking about the new forums, can you explain to me what the problem with the colour scheme is? I can't see much of a difference from the old forums. Contrast. One of the most important things for readability is good contrast between the text and the background. This is particularly the case as the text gets smaller(for example, at higher monitor resolutions). If the contrast isn't great enough, the letters start fuzzing as they seem to slightly 'bleed' into the background, and you have to strain to make them out. This can cause both headaches and eyestrain. You'll notice for example that on this forum the text is a very bright, pure white and the backgrounds are dark grey (even the lighter one is fairly dark), with maybe just a hint of blue in them. The font is also quite sharp and crisp and stands out nicely from the background. The new forums had a different font that didn't stand out as well, and may have been just a little bit grey rather than white. The backgrounds were also a different type of grey that also hurts the text standing out, and makes it harder to read. Edit: I'll also add that my own experiments on the subject found that the two color schemes that were easiest on the eyes were blue text on black and red text on black, with red text being the superior. White, yellow, and bright green also worked pretty well but weren't quite so...comfortable.
Diomedes Calypso	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:43:00 - [77] Edited by: Diomedes Calypso on 10/04/2011 02:53:49 Is this a good place to ask again for my "free" remap that in a fair implementation of a gift to all players, that I would have gotten last month ? (all of the pitchforks being brandished reminded me of that little fly I had in my ointment ... but i've discarded that ointment.. but .. i remember that half used tube of ointment like yesterday.. but lol ok ..) just a joke. ... i'm over that... as long as i dont' think about it edit: oh yeah,, I guess this is connected because at the time I thought the real reason they didn't implement a fair solution was because the auto increment at original renewal date would have been a bother to code annd that seemed silly to me, but maybe a forum is hard too so.. ((and btw, I've come to believe that the real issue was some senior guy with his panties in a bunch over the value of attributes and a dirty compromise to appease him while still letting peole messed with by the learning skills change to their plans a way out))
Lord Ryan The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:46:00 - [78] old. I do like the big pics on the new, but thats it.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:51:00 - [79] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 02:40:25 Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Pretty much everyone is going to choose the old forums And now you know why CCP closed these down until they had no choice but to reopen them CCP needs to learn to stop rushing out junk. They're only shooting themselves in the foot. You're really pushing that thread . I will admit that the last months have really tested the faith and dedication of the player base, but doesn't this generally happen when a company or individual is working on something new or different? Something many people aren't really used to or maybe even understand? Not for a company that allegedly ran under the slogan of "excellence" that ends up rushing barely functional content out to meet an arbitrary deadline (one that nobody else but their own marketing department has imposed)... and not for a very, very long time. It's not like it's a new thing, it started showing its ugly teeth quite obviously almost two years ago, with subtle hints of it going back almost three years ago. You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on? I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at. I'm not an alt
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 02:59:00 - [80] Originally by: Jon Taggart You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on? I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at. eyes the character creator and station recustomization feature, ponders that Incarna is allegedly going to be rolled out in 'chunks' starting with the captain's quarters rather than all at once, that the CQ still isn't on SiSi...and then remembers seeing the first incarna screenshots in late 2006/early 2007

Zofran	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:02:00 - [81] Old They could have at least ported the old posts, I mean... for a company/game that's always banging the drum on about some 'persistent' world... kinda derpy.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:03:00 - [82] Edited by: Jon Taggart on 10/04/2011 03:05:25 Originally by: Idami Raptor Originally by: Jon Taggart You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on? I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at. eyes the character creator and station recustomization feature, ponders that Incarna is allegedly going to be rolled out in 'chunks' starting with the captain's quarters rather than all at once, that the CQ still isn't on SiSi...and then remembers seeing the first incarna screenshots in late 2006/early 2007 Well if I remember correctly, the "chunks" strategy was first used on the Incursion expansion with a degree of success. I'm sure Incarna will also go in that direction beginning with CQs, and I am 100% certain many players will be displeased with this, saying "That's it?" in return. Would you say that's more of a necessary evil with a 6-month expansion rollout? Should CCP scrap this plan and release a stable, content-filled expansion once a year instead? I know Incarna has long been in the making, I remember when it was first announced all those years ago. I'm getting a little impatient myself. I'm not an alt
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:04:00 - [83] Old, the new can win me over if they fix the many issues Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Jojo Jackson Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:10:00 - [84] Edited by: Jojo Jackson on 10/04/2011 03:11:05 A forum is used to write and read text. And that's ALL what is important: how well can I read text in a forum? New forum was terrible to read (WTF this quotes? If the designer is so damn blind he should buy new glasses!). Combined with a massive wast of space (if you have to scroll down a hole page peer post it doesn't make fun to read). Solution: take the style/layout of the old forum with the functions of the new forum ;)
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:12:00 - [85] Edited by: Jada Maroo on 10/04/2011 03:13:02 Originally by: Julyan Fox The old forum is much easier to the eyes, but it looks outdated. Maybe you really should reconsider the design. I like the larger portrait tho. I know I ve been flooding bout this already but you guys should consider using transparency in the design since you got an art team that manage to do godly gaz cloud backgrounds. Ooooo... Pretty. And it matches the ingame Eve interface. Why doesn't CCP use this! It would even allow them to stretch the forum and still give us visible background changes with new expansions.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:12:00 - [86] Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 03:13:17 Originally by: Jon Taggart You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on? I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at. It's not even just that they roll out unfinished junk, or that they don't polish enough old features properly, but the new features that get introduced are mostly fluff while important changes that would probably require less work get skipped because they lack "glamour" and also when somebody points out a glaring error it takes ages to fix. In no particular order or importance... other than those you mentioned... POS work is a pain in the ass (plus "flogging the dead horse" topic), FW is still lackluster, corp role management is a nightmare, the S&I interface is still pretty unwieldy, we still have no stockmarket nor any secure way to trade shares, no incentives exist to stop blobbing (more is almost always better), there are no feature for corp-wide trade, we were promised storefronts (and we even had them briefly on SiSi, but they were dropped entirely), PI is far from balanced still (and a long way away from the initial vision), the market was extended to contain faction ammo and then ships yet items are not yet to be seen, COSMOS missions give out blueprints than no sane person would ever bother manufacturing from, a lot of items are practically useless and others are impractically expensive, the mission "auto-reward-balancing" (especially for storylines) leads to ugly results for a lot of those missions, MINING IS A MESS and needs to be revamped from the ground up (proposals abound, and most would be easy to implement, but alas, no chance), the insurance payouts were supposed to be somewhat dynamic yet they were only altered once, dreadnoughts are worse than useless, AFs still have a "dud" bonus, you can't tell "normal" materials from "extra" materials (to know which one is affected by ME waste) until you actually try to install the job, T3 basic materials are also completely out of whack rarity-wise, invention was introduced heavily prenerfed and ever so slightly buffed but still nowhere near enough, there's STILL no way to gain standings other than running missions even if we were promised once upon a time we'd get alternatives, the LOCAL & AFK-cloaker pair of issues, unscannable ships, the PI reprocessing debacle, the wormhole exploit infinidamage, the POS dupe scandal (which should have not even needed to be pointed out by the community but should have been caught by CCP), the new forums, the ENTIRE HUGE 200+ ITEM BACKLOG from the CSM... ...and so on and so forth, plus god knows how many I don't even know about. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Palmput Japanese Atomic Brokers	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:13:00 - [87] The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really? -
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:14:00 - [88] Originally by: Palmput The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really? Yes, really. This is not a teenager's home PC hosted site. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:16:00 - [89] Originally by: Lt Angus Old, the new can win me over if they fix the many issues same here. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Palmput Japanese Atomic Brokers	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:17:00 - [90] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Palmput The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really? Yes, really. This is not a teenager's home PC hosted site. I've never been to a brand new forum that wasn't created on a .webs place. I don't know how to expect features from in-house code. -

Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:19:00 - [91] Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 10/04/2011 03:13:17 Originally by: Jon Taggart You're right, that is displeasing. What barely functional features do you make reference to? I know of a few that you're dedicated to getting fixed, such as the Technetium bottleneck and the Anom changes, but what other serious issues, as in something that affects a majority of EVE's players, do you think CCP needs to spend priority on? I will agree though, the feature backlog certainly needs to be looked at. Important issues. Quite a few I see. I appreciate you taking the time to explain them. I feel a lot of EVE's mechanics needs to be much more player-interactive, such as mining, manufacturing, researching, and other ventures as well. Hopefully once Incarna is finally released, CCP will take the due diligence necessary and take a long, hard look at the feature/bug backlog and pull up their sleeves and do the dirty work. Hope it comes to that. I'm not an alt
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:23:00 - [92] Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 03:23:23 Originally by: Palmput Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Palmput The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really? Yes, really. This is not a teenager's home PC hosted site. I've never been to a brand new forum that wasn't created on a .webs place. I don't know how to expect features from in-house code. That's part of the problem: It wasn't in-house code. It was based on a pre-existing open source forum software, which was sussed out REAL fast, and from what I heard may technically have been in violation of the open-source license that was used on it because they hadn't posted the source.
Palmput Japanese Atomic Brokers	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:25:00 - [93] Edited by: Palmput on 10/04/2011 03:25:34 Originally by: Idami Raptor Edited by: Idami Raptor on 10/04/2011 03:23:23 Originally by: Palmput Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Palmput The new forums were better to me. It wasn't all shades of gray and tiny. I mostly just lurk, so I didn't really see why people were complaining so much. The security stuff I can understand, but whining about signatures on the first day it was up for mass use? Really? Yes, really. This is not a teenager's home PC hosted site. I've never been to a brand new forum that wasn't created on a .webs place. I don't know how to expect features from in-house code. That's part of the problem: It wasn't in-house code. It was based on a pre-existing open source forum software, which was sussed out REAL fast, and from what I heard may technically have been in violation of the open-source license that was used on it because they hadn't posted the source. The more you know. -
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:27:00 - [94] Originally by: Jon Taggart Hopefully once Incarna is finally released, CCP will take the due diligence necessary and take a long, hard look at the feature/bug backlog and pull up their sleeves and do the dirty work. We've been living on "hopefully" for 3+ years. Enough is enough. You know what happens after Incarna if first officially released if CCP doesn't change policy direction ? A barely functional Incarna with mostly just cosmetic stuff, glitching heavily, only the most glaring problems with it are fixed, more people get sucked out of the "spaceship part" (or left to dwindle through attrition while only "Incarna" people are hired), focus shifts even more to meaningless fluff, subscriptions start finally on a downwards trend, desperate CCP goes on the microtransaction bandwagon they've been itching to get on (but slowly, cosmetic only for a while, then Incarna only, then slowly everywhere), subs dwindle even more, EVE goes F2P, microtransaction junk spikes, EVE is a good as dead. Yeah, I might be hugely pessimistic, but it COULD happen if CCP keeps accelerating in the "wrong" direction (from where I'm standing). _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:34:00 - [95] Old Forums
Ryan Starwing Gallente Cryptonym Sleepers Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:35:00 - [96] I liked the old better mainly for the threadnaughts, usability, color setup, and security. Though I did like 1 thing from the new one and that was the thumbs up button.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:39:00 - [97] Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Hopefully once Incarna is finally released, CCP will take the due diligence necessary and take a long, hard look at the feature/bug backlog and pull up their sleeves and do the dirty work. We've been living on "hopefully" for 3+ years. Enough is enough. You know what happens after Incarna if first officially released if CCP doesn't change policy direction ? A barely functional Incarna with mostly just cosmetic stuff, glitching heavily, only the most glaring problems with it are fixed, more people get sucked out of the "spaceship part" (or left to dwindle through attrition while only "Incarna" people are hired), focus shifts even more to meaningless fluff, subscriptions start finally on a downwards trend, desperate CCP goes on the microtransaction bandwagon they've been itching to get on (but slowly, cosmetic only for a while, then Incarna only, then slowly everywhere), subs dwindle even more, EVE goes F2P, microtransaction junk spikes, EVE is a good as dead. Yeah, I might be hugely pessimistic, but it COULD happen if CCP keeps accelerating in the "wrong" direction (from where I'm standing). Incarna being released in piecemeal should be of no surprise to anyone really. Sure it's something many people don't want to happen, but it appears to be heading in that direction regardless. Could one say that they've spent so much time, piles of money, and "ignored" many features/bugs for this new direction because they fanatically believe it's the future of the game? From a business standpoint, I guess you can also say that they have to be uber-confident and sure about it though. Can't show weakness. I will not debate if your pessimism could happen, as I'm sure that could very well be a possibility. Seen it countless time throughout the years. Absolutely scares me to think I've been playing MMOs for 13 years I'm not an alt
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:41:00 - [98] Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Hopefully once Incarna is finally released, CCP will take the due diligence necessary and take a long, hard look at the feature/bug backlog and pull up their sleeves and do the dirty work. We've been living on "hopefully" for 3+ years. Enough is enough. You know what happens after Incarna if first officially released if CCP doesn't change policy direction ? A barely functional Incarna with mostly just cosmetic stuff, glitching heavily, only the most glaring problems with it are fixed, more people get sucked out of the "spaceship part" (or left to dwindle through attrition while only "Incarna" people are hired), focus shifts even more to meaningless fluff, subscriptions start finally on a downwards trend, desperate CCP goes on the microtransaction bandwagon they've been itching to get on (but slowly, cosmetic only for a while, then Incarna only, then slowly everywhere), subs dwindle even more, EVE goes F2P, microtransaction junk spikes, EVE is a good as dead. Yeah, I might be hugely pessimistic, but it COULD happen if CCP keeps accelerating in the "wrong" direction (from where I'm standing). Incarna being released in piecemeal should be of no surprise to anyone really. Sure it's something many people don't want to happen, but it appears to be heading in that direction regardless. Could one say that they've spent so much time, piles of money, and "ignored" many features/bugs for this new direction because they fanatically believe it's the future of the game? From a business standpoint, I guess you can also say that they have to be uber-confident and sure about it though. Can't show weakness. I will not debate if your pessimism could happen, as I'm sure that could very well be a possibility. Seen it countless time throughout the years. Absolutely scares me to think I've been playing MMOs for 13 years Well the thing that's scary about it is that it dramatically increases the possibility of it ending up in the hell that is Partial Functionality Limbo for a long period of time. They release parts of it, then have problems with the rest and then we end up having just the captain's quarters for another 3 years or so.
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 03:45:00 - [99] Originally by: Idami Raptor Originally by: Jon Taggart Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Hopefully once Incarna is finally released, CCP will take the due diligence necessary and take a long, hard look at the feature/bug backlog and pull up their sleeves and do the dirty work. We've been living on "hopefully" for 3+ years. Enough is enough. You know what happens after Incarna if first officially released if CCP doesn't change policy direction ? A barely functional Incarna with mostly just cosmetic stuff, glitching heavily, only the most glaring problems with it are fixed, more people get sucked out of the "spaceship part" (or left to dwindle through attrition while only "Incarna" people are hired), focus shifts even more to meaningless fluff, subscriptions start finally on a downwards trend, desperate CCP goes on the microtransaction bandwagon they've been itching to get on (but slowly, cosmetic only for a while, then Incarna only, then slowly everywhere), subs dwindle even more, EVE goes F2P, microtransaction junk spikes, EVE is a good as dead. Yeah, I might be hugely pessimistic, but it COULD happen if CCP keeps accelerating in the "wrong" direction (from where I'm standing). Incarna being released in piecemeal should be of no surprise to anyone really. Sure it's something many people don't want to happen, but it appears to be heading in that direction regardless. Could one say that they've spent so much time, piles of money, and "ignored" many features/bugs for this new direction because they fanatically believe it's the future of the game? From a business standpoint, I guess you can also say that they have to be uber-confident and sure about it though. Can't show weakness. I will not debate if your pessimism could happen, as I'm sure that could very well be a possibility. Seen it countless time throughout the years. Absolutely scares me to think I've been playing MMOs for 13 years Well the thing that's scary about it is that it dramatically increases the possibility of it ending up in the hell that is Partial Functionality Limbo for a long period of time. They release parts of it, then have problems with the rest and then we end up having just the captain's quarters for another 3 years or so. I will agree. Spreading it out does increase the chances of limbo production. That would be quite a bummer for sure. I'm not an alt
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:07:00 - [100] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/04/2011 04:11:11 Being a rational, thinking person instead of a reactionary whiner, I prefer the new ones, of course. It boggles my mind that anyone would not prefer the new ones. Originally by: Tippia The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. On the contrary, the only thing the old forums have over the new ones is that people are used to them. The new ones look and work differently, so people ***** and complain like they do about any change. Just because you've learned to live with 2001 style forums for the last 7 years doesn't make them better. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!

Habaticus Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:13:00 - [101] The new forums are nicely organized. I like the way we can collapes areas until we need them. They'll be great once we get the right spray for the bugs. We still need to add the block option through, so we can weed out the trolls.
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:16:00 - [102] Originally by: Felix Decat New forums, not even close. I thought these forums were outdated and useless in 2005. They still are. Searching for anything is pointless. No good way to track your previous posts. They were about 5 years overdue for an update. The fact CCP failed on delivering that update doesn't mean we should be happy with outdated forums. FFS, I don't believe any game anywhere has a bigger group of whiners. I wish this were on the new forums, because I'd definitely "like" it. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:16:00 - [103] Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/04/2011 04:11:11 Being a rational, thinking person instead of a reactionary whiner, I prefer the new ones, of course. It boggles my mind that anyone would not prefer the new ones. Originally by: Tippia The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. On the contrary, the only thing the old forums have over the new ones is that people are used to them. The new ones look and work differently, so people *** and complain like they do about any change. Just because you've learned to live with 2001 style forums for the last 7 years doesn't make them better. oh I'm not saying that the new forums had potential. it's just that all the quirks and bugs made them less desirable than these ones. There are problems with these forums that's for sure, and they are showing their old age. Moving to better forums is a sensible approach for several reasons in our case. moving to a forum that wasn't properly tested in every front however, is not. --- Quote:** The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Lt Angus Caldari the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:16:00 - [104] Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/04/2011 04:11:11 Being a rational, thinking person instead of a reactionary whiner, I prefer the new ones, of course. It boggles my mind that anyone would not prefer the new ones. Originally by: Tippia The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. On the contrary, the only thing the old forums have over the new ones is that people are used to them. The new ones look and work differently, so people *** and complain like they do about any change. Just because you've learned to live with 2001 style forums for the last 7 years doesn't make them better. ahh I didnt know security flaws, having to triple click some threads, getting sent to random pages, fixed width, font which induces headaches from extended use, double posting, getting ganked all the time and scrollwheel burnout were the way of the future Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers**
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:26:00 - [105] I prefer the old ones, but I have to say the new one was starting to grow on me. I think my biggest issues with the new ones was the fixed width and the mono-color. oh and the Home>eve forums>forum section thing was poorly placed. and the &find=new or w/e it was in the links didn't quite work and was annoying. also it could have used the bar on the side, having the eve gate stuff on the top was kinda nice.
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:40:00 - [106] Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/04/2011 04:11:11 Being a rational, thinking person instead of a reactionary whiner, I prefer the new ones, of course. It boggles my mind that anyone would not prefer the new ones. Originally by: Tippia The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. On the contrary, the only thing the old forums have over the new ones is that people are used to them. The new ones look and work differently, so people ***** and complain like they do about any change. Just because you've learned to live with 2001 style forums for the last 7 years doesn't make them better. Actually that's a pretty whiny and unthinking reaction if you ask me... The simple fact is that the new forums COULD BE better than these, but have so many problems and huge, glaring flaws that need fixing before they're used. Until those are fixed, yes, these are better. Could we use a redo? absolutely. But we don't need to be like so many sites where there's a mandatory new beta site that stays that way for six months or more. Leave 'em in beta until they're fixed, and THEN release them. Seriously, people having to use a browser addon to modify them to be useable is just wrong.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:41:00 - [107] Edited by: Tippia on 10/04/2011 04:42:32 Originally by: Kyra Felann Being a rational, thinking person àyou would have to put on some pretty huge blinders in order to see how deeply flawed everything about the new forums are. Since you wouldn't be a reactionary whiner (singing the song of "waah! must have new forums now!!1"), you also wouldn't have any problems with them delaying the roll-out of the forums until they were good and ready. Quote: On the contrary, the only thing the old forums have over the new ones is that people are used to them. àand speed, and functionality, and security, and adherence to proper design standards, and accessibility, and robustness, and so on. So yeah, that only leaves the bling of googleapi and jquery-ui (which any rational thinking person turns off since they causes more problems than it solves). Oh, and a search function, I suppose, which still isn't as good as a custom google query. Quote: The new ones look and work differently More accurately: the new ones look bad (due to not following the rules of good design) and don't work (due to an over-reliance on fancy effects to do things that could be done much more simply, more quickly, more efficiently, and more robustly through other means). Quote: Just because you've learned to live with 2001 style forums for the last 7 years doesn't make them better. Just because the new forums were rolled out in 2011 doesn't make them better than a more functional version that was made in the style of 2001. Every day, new products are released that are much worse than the things they are meant to replace. "New" only means that: "new". It is unfortunately not a synonym for "better". ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:41:00 - [108] Old forums, without question.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2011.04.10 04:42:00 - [109] Originally by: Tippia "New" is unfortunately not a synonym for "better". Wat u sai? BLASPHEMY! REPENT!!! -Liang Ed: ** the 2 minute timer FFS. New forums are better if they don't have it. -- Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire On Twitter
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2011.04.10 05:05:00 - [110] Old one, I can't believe I'm posting in the old forum again. Also Known As

Axemaster	Posted - 2011.04.10 05:17:00 - [111] Yeah, I really prefer the old one. The new one has some fundamental problems, to list a few: Everything is annoyingly small and hard to read, forcing me to increase text size. Those little "DEV" tags are annoying. Trying to open a new page as a tab doesn't work properly - it creates the tab, but also loads the page in your current window as well. Then you have to use the back button to fix it. VERY annoying. To be honest, I would much prefer if the new forums could be made to look and function exactly like the old one - just add your new features and have done with it. Don't try to fix what isn't broken.
Steve Thomas Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.10 05:18:00 - [112] Edited by: Steve Thomas on 10/04/2011 05:21:36 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Jon Taggart Hopefully once Incarna is finally released, CCP will take the due diligence necessary and take a long, hard look at the feature/bug backlog and pull up their sleeves and do the dirty work. We've been living on "hopefully" for 3+ years. Enough is enough. You know what happens after Incarna if first officially released if CCP doesn't change policy direction ? A barely functional Incarna with mostly just cosmetic stuff, glitching heavily, only the most glaring problems with it are fixed, more people get sucked out of the "spaceship part" (or left to dwindle through attrition while only "Incarna" people are hired), focus shifts even more to meaningless fluff, subscriptions start finally on a downwards trend, desperate CCP goes on the microtransaction bandwagon they've been itching to get on (but slowly, cosmetic only for a while, then Incarna only, then slowly everywhere), subs dwindle even more, EVE goes F2P, microtransaction junk spikes, EVE is a good as dead. Yeah, I might be hugely pessimistic, but it COULD happen if CCP keeps accelerating in the "wrong" direction (from where I'm standing). this somehow after all of this time CCP has yet to realise that for the most pare. we areNOT here because we want to see our beutiful bodys in see through Galant clothing, or psudo leather sm inspired Minmitar cothing or Starfleet uniform design rejects or thoes idiotic preist robe things. were here because of the bloody ****in spacehsips. Besides, I hate to be the one to break it to CCP but from what I have seen there interior design skills literaly suck, and its taken them how long now to just build 4 fairly small static housing units that most people will never EVER see that often in game? .end of line. ---- If you think your too paranoid to play EvE... Then you clearly are not paranoid enough to play EvE (Alt list) Rico Lobo
gargars	Posted - 2011.04.10 05:32:00 - [113] Edited by: gargars on 10/04/2011 05:34:44 The old (now new again) forums. Tried and true. Sure they could use a bit of upgrade - but they are 'home'. The new forums felt sterile and fake. I personally hope they never fix them.
Atra Hasis	Posted - 2011.04.10 05:39:00 - [114] I prefer the new forums minus the bugs and spacebook features. The new format is a lil more modern and pleasing to the eye, though I dislike how the old threads have been simply archived instead of being transferred over
Aineko Macx	Posted - 2011.04.10 06:58:00 - [115] I haven't seen any must-have feature the new one had the old one didn't. Personally, I would've been completely happy if they just tweaked the design of the old forum and added a couple of convenience features, fixed search and added proper assembly hall tools. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:04:00 - [116] features wises, how could can anyone stand this 10 year piece of garage is beyond me.
Xercodo Amarr Daj'Juntar	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:07:00 - [117] save for the issue that made me pop into the last page of a thread i had never visited before, i liked the new ones... the style and the integration into EVE Gate gave it that extra layer that made me WANT to use EVEgate (apart from the fact that the forums themselves were on EVEGate) -------------------------------------------------- The drake is a lie
Axon Atom	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:07:00 - [118] Originally by: Rebal 88 Functionality wise, the old forums. Looks wise (for the most part) the new ones. \ Functionality? Functionality? please name one thing the old forums have that was better Functionality wise. and looks, space, and colors, text don't count.
Mica Swanhaven	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:11:00 - [119] new forums by far, these forums are hunk of junk
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:16:00 - [120] old forums by far only useful thing about the new ones is lack of that 2 min timer, worst thing about new forums is that I find them hard to read - too much yellow text, backgrounds & white text don't mesh well for some reason, too much useless spacing.

Fat Freddy	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:19:00 - [121] Old forums. The new forum looks like it was designed by an ex Fisher-Price designer, all primary colours and chunky buttons, I found it quite offensive to the eye. Fred
Armon Ral	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:24:00 - [122] I think I prefer old one, at present. I'm confused. Why not just plug in something like vBulletin - ready-made, customizable, feature-rich, extremely widely used and proven forum platform with a great track record.
Mal Darkrunner Caldari Zero Tau Research Institute	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:27:00 - [123] Edited by: Mal Darkrunner on 10/04/2011 07:28:20 I kind of liked the new forums, and the Favourites were nice, however... Originally by: Liang Nuren ...it kept sending me to the last page of the thread. That was ****ing annoying. This.
Fenlx	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:28:00 - [124] Old.
Han Renbai Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:32:00 - [125] Originally by: Blane Xero Old forums. Better layout, colour scheme, usability, integration, emoticons. +1
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:38:00 - [126] Originally by: Steve Thomas somehow after all of this time CCP has yet to realise that for the most pare. we areNOT here because we want to see our beutiful bodys in see through Galant clothing, or psudo leather sm inspired Minmitar cothing or Starfleet uniform design rejects or thoes idiotic preist robe things. were here because of the bloody **in spacehsips. Besides, I hate to be the one to break it to CCP but from what I have seen there interior design skills literaly suck, and its taken them how long now to just build 4 fairly small static housing units that most people will never EVER see that often in game? some of us are here for a scifi universe, and well smexy see through clothing, space ponies, spaceships, planet wars, and space bars are all things we want. that and space ponies + dress up in space seem like awesome things that can attract lots more gamers. ** I want space farmville, I want to tend to a garden of exotic plants in zero grav, and I WANT to ride my space pony through my space garden in my see through s&m minmatar leather while being an awesome caldari citizen!
Andrea Exerlauka	Posted - 2011.04.10 07:49:00 - [127] I have grown used to the old ones. It would have been great if CCP had worked on improving them gradually, instead of doing a full rewrite from the ground-up.
Flynn Fetladral Caldari BlackSite Prophecy	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:07:00 - [128] Edited by: Flynn Fetladral on 10/04/2011 08:07:42 I like the old more at this stage as it's just more usable for text, wider, more threads per page. When you design forums you have to design it around the basic function of writing and reading text, and in some cases it seems like that was an after thoughts on the new forums. I like the aesthetic design and colours on the new forums more than the old forums however. One thing though this whole cluster fk as got me thinking about is, if CCP has struggled to turn out a battle tested forum, then I'm actually for the first time since I subbed for this game, concerned about their ability to produce content for EVE Online which is well thought out and iterated on... Follow Flynn on Twitter**
NightmareX Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:09:00 - [129] Edited by: NightmareX on 10/04/2011 08:16:19 Originally by: Kyra Felann Edited by: Kyra Felann on 10/04/2011 04:11:11 Being a rational, thinking person instead of a reactionary whiner, I prefer the new ones, of course. It boggles my mind that anyone would not prefer the new ones. Originally by: Tippia The only thing the new forum have over this, so far, is bling. On the contrary, the only thing the old forums have over the new ones is that people are used to them. The new ones look and work differently, so people ***** and complain like they do about any change. Just because you've learned to live with 2001 style forums for the last 7 years doesn't make them better. Damn, where is the 'Like' button ? I agree totally to that. And yes, i prefer the new forum over the old forum by miles. BUT........ i only do that when the security holes are fixed and when i use this script. Not sure though, but it seems that i have been very lucky on the new forum though. Since i haven't found any issues / bugs on the new forum so far.
Julius Rigel Sub-warp Racing Venture	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:21:00 - [130] I don't post in poll threads very often, but when I do, I prefer the old forum.

Redblade Reikoku Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:28:00 - [131] Old for sure.
Wormerling	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:29:00 - [132] Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:34:35 Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:33:01 Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:32:48 The new ones. Because: 1. I liked the new forums integration with eve-gate. 2. Narrower text window is better for reading. Ideally it should be 70-80 chars in width. 3. The like system. When there are hundreds of posts per thread there no doubt should be some hint to decide what posts to read. It was a very short time to say if the system was useful or not, but at other places (youtube for example), it works. P.S. Sorry for edits. Rolled back. -w
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:31:00 - [133] Originally by: Wormerling The new ones. Because: 1. I liked the new forums integration with eve-gate. 2. Narrower text window is better for reading. Ideally it should be 70-80 chars in width. 3. The like system. When there are hundreds of posts per thread there no doubt should be some hint to decide what posts to read. It was a very short time to say if the system was useful or not, but at other places (youtube for example), it works. -w and here is the one place I see room for improvement. youtube has a "dislike" button as well as a like button.
Im Blue	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:39:00 - [134] these ones, they work and dont make my head hurt when reading. dont go back to the other ones pls
Black Omne Caldari Freedom-Technologies Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:49:00 - [135] Definitely prefer the old forums much better. The colors, text, everything is easier to read and much less time consuming. CCP, if you are bound and determined to force the new forums on us, at least make it so we can customize them to look any way we want, even the way the current forums look if we want. . . . .
Wormerling	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:54:00 - [136] Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:53:58 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Wormerling The new ones. Because: 1. I liked the new forums integration with eve-gate. 2. Narrower text window is better for reading. Ideally it should be 70-80 chars in width. 3. The like system. When there are hundreds of posts per thread there no doubt should be some hint to decide what posts to read. It was a very short time to say if the system was useful or not, but at other places (youtube for example), it works. -w and here is the one place I see room for improvement. youtube has a "dislike" button as well as a like button. Well, yeah. I wish there was a feature to filter only posts with many likes. I wish there was a dislike button and posts with many dislikes were hidden by default. I do find number of likes under the portrait useless and silly. I wish there was a kind of support of "talk branches" among a single thread. For example, our 3 posts are put into a single "branch" (with the head post of the thread). That way I can select a single branch in the big discussion, fully read it and answer. As for now, I can only answer the head post (yes, maybe this is the intended and ideal way of communication in forums but it's not how it works on practice). Or I can just randomly pick people who posted before me and answer them. The communication in the current forums looks pretty chaotic to me (unless it's a very small thread with few participants). Yes, I agree new forums lack some features, were buggy and etc. But I support the chosen direction of the development still. -w
Korvan Hraldir Davanev Silver and Gold Enterpises	Posted - 2011.04.10 08:55:00 - [137] Old ones. I don't use Eve gate so don't care about those aspects of the new ones. Layout of new ones much less easy on my eyes. No sure why the need for a change. So what if these ones are 2001 style, if it works don't fix it. All these old ones needed were a half decent search function added.
Kerfira Kerfira Corp	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:00:00 - [138] Old ones, without any doubt... Just the sheer amount of data downloaded to display ONE damned page is enough to condemn the new one to eternal damnation... I usually use a mobile to browse the forum, and the new forum would have eaten through my 500mb allowance in ~500 page views... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:11:00 - [139] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/04/2011 09:55:58 Old ones for me. * The new ones are slow * Only 20 threads per page (of which 5 stickies) is really annoying, like a book with just 1 sentence on each page * No race or bloodline anymore * Silly "like" button * No signatures/pictures * more than 40 pages of posts make the forum lag like hell I don't say the new forums don't have potential but let them wait a few more months and get something really good, including basic forum options like 60 threads a page, polls, seeing in which thread you posted - all pretty standard utilities for a decent forum.
Boonaki Caldari Focused Annihilation Detrimental Imperative	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:11:00 - [140] I prefer the old forums by far, I don't see me using the new ones.

Mary Christmas Christmas Inc	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:12:00 - [141] Originally by: Calathea Sata Let's pretend for a second that the new forums are working properly without security flaws. Which one do you prefer? New or old? i would like a decently functioning new forum over this old ****ty one
Idami Raptor Gallente Section Eight LLC Omega Vector	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:25:00 - [142] Originally by: Wormerling Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:34:35 Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:33:01 Edited by: Wormerling on 10/04/2011 08:32:48 The new ones. Because: 1. I liked the new forums integration with eve-gate. 2. Narrower text window is better for reading. Ideally it should be 70-80 chars in width. 3. The like system. When there are hundreds of posts per thread there no doubt should be some hint to decide what posts to read. It was a very short time to say if the system was useful or not, but at other places (youtube for example), it works. P.S. Sorry for edits. Rolled back. -w 1.) Someone uses eve-gate for more than just checking their mail? 2.) That's personal opinion. I hate it when it's that small personally. This is why there should've been an option to set the width, instead of just forcing it down everyone's throats. 3.) Well other places it works because it does something. As far as I'd seen it was literally just a statistic. A statistic you can't DO anything with. Much like whatever version of 'achievement points' whatever you're playing has.
Makko Gray Nexus Aerospace Corporation	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:29:00 - [143] New forums. Neither are perfect, I still hit the report button on the old forums thinking it's a reply button. And as for the new forums well I think there will be a lot to polish on that as we've seen from current problems - but it is a start. First feature I'd really like is to be able to choose the width. Well after the other more serious fixes. I think the web devs need to be allowed some time to do a proper code review once they've solved the immediate problems and before the next phase as many of the mistakes just wouldn't be expected from experienced devs and certainly in agency land oftens occurs when devs are no R and all D meaning there skills lag behind the industry. Not sure what CCP devs excuse is.
Cailais Amarr Dawn of a new Empire The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:53:00 - [144] I dont know why the OP cares - seeing as he's quitting. C. the hydrostatic capsule blog
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.04.10 09:58:00 - [145] Originally by: Idami Raptor Someone uses eve-gate for more than just checking their mail? It does other things? :boggle:
Tarasina	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:08:00 - [146] Old forums. Just less strain on the eyes etc. The colorscheme on the new one is bad, I can't also read things easily, I have to concentrate on every line, every word. I breathed a sigh of relief when just now I clicked to the forums and saw the old one back. Just less strain on the eyes, more information on the screen and so on.
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:12:00 - [147] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Tippia "New" is unfortunately not a synonym for "better". Wat u sai? BLASPHEMY! REPENT!!! -Liang Ed: **** the 2 minute timer FFS. New forums are better if they don't have it. I take this opportunity to mention that after CCP announced they were going to 'look into the 5 minute delay' it took several more months for them to then say 'they'd take care of it' and somewhere between 6+ months to a year to get somebody to take the 2 minutes it takes to change the '5' to a '2' so it could be implemented. Papa don't preach, I've been losing sleep But I made up my mind, I'm keeping my baby, oh I'm gonna keep my baby, mmm...
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:13:00 - [148] Old by far. My main wants in a forum is ease of writing and reading posts. This is done much, much better on the old forum. The new one is harder to read and slow as hell compared to every other forum I'm currently using or have ever used. When your forum fails to deliver on those main points, it doesn't matter what kind of fluff or additional features your forum has. It's always going to be inferior in my book, since those additional features are only there to facilitate and serve the main function of a forum. On their own they have very little value and aren't enough to make up for the large difference in usability.
Y Berion Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:20:00 - [149] Old forums are tons better. All they needed is some tweaking and that's all. So as far as I am concerned, they should keep new forums offline - permanently. They are horrible.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:28:00 - [150] Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 10/04/2011 10:30:42 Originally by: Armon Ral I think I prefer old one, at present. I'm confused. Why not just plug in something like vBulletin - ready-made, customizable, feature-rich, extremely widely used and proven forum platform with a great track record. They plugged in yaf a ready-made, customizable, feature-rich, extremely widely used and proven forum platform with a great track record. Problem is they had to replace some parts (authentication) with custom-made solutions and replaced other parts for reasons nobody understands (HTML/JavaScript filtering) and managed to create a load of security issues that are not present in a default yaf installation. tl;dr no forum platform is robust enough to be even secure after CCP devs had their hands on it edit: there isn't super much forum software that runs on ASP.net/MSSQL.

Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:30:00 - [151] Originally by: Calathea Sata Let's pretend for a second that the new forums are working properly without security flaws. Which one do you prefer? New or old? The security flaws were the best thing about the new forums, too bad they closed it before I could post ship balance stuff that made sense impersonating a dev...
Valator Uel Caldari Mercenaries of Andosia Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:30:00 - [152] Old forums. The new ones did have some features I like having, but too many flaws make those features useless. ------------------ empty sig
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.04.10 10:32:00 - [153] Originally by: Ulmega Old just feels like home, new feel like a cheep holiday apartment, good for 1-3 weeks after that you really want your own living room, your own bed. ^^
Long John Silver	Posted - 2011.04.10 11:00:00 - [154] OLD is bestest. I can see up to seven posts at a time on my screen in the old forums, about three on the new, 'cos all the column inches are taken up with oversized portraits. I don't want to go 'ooooh' to everyones portraits. I wanna read the posts.
Masjheira Minmatar We Are The Greatest Balls of the Universe	Posted - 2011.04.10 11:00:00 - [155] I'm not against the idea of a new design, but I have to admit that the "new" forum was really ugly and not user-friendly at all.
Grey Stormshadow Starwreck Industries	Posted - 2011.04.10 11:08:00 - [156] This isn't really very simple thing to answer, but I try... If question is simply new or old, the answer is old. However the new forum had some nice features like favorites and search. It also has plenty of useless java and visual problems and lacked the sidebar we have here. If the new forum would keep all the content of old forum, have same font, colors avatarsizes and sidebar, without fixed width, without background picture and without the useless java parts, I would go with the new forums. Personally I would ditch also the evegate project and link the few useful features it has to account management or left sidebar. These include skill training page (if u could actually modify them) in game mail and voice link. Bio and big avatar could still be linked from forum avatar. Remaining stuff could go to bin. Yes and I know that changes for this happening are from slim to none. Anyways... after saying all of this... comes the meaningful part... All the above stuff takes lots of coding and lots of hours to get implemented. The real guestion we needed to ask was "Do you want new forum, eve gate or game improvements?". Now that would be much easier to answer. Couple good examples... here and here. So... my real answer to the OP's question is: old forums and better game, thank you :) ------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :)
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.10 11:13:00 - [157] Edited by: Grimpak on 10/04/2011 11:13:23 Originally by: Grey Stormshadow This isn't really very simple thing to answer, but I try... If question is simply new or old, the answer is old. However the new forum had some nice features like favorites and search. It also has plenty of useless java and visual problems and lacked the sidebar we have here. If the new forum would keep all the content of old forum, have same font, colors avatarsizes and sidebar, without fixed width, without background picture and without the useless java parts, I would go with the new forums. Personally I would ditch also the evegate project and link the few useful features it has to account management or left sidebar. These include skill training page (if u could actually modify them) in game mail and voice link. Bio and big avatar could still be linked from forum avatar. Remaining stuff could go to bin. Yes and I know that changes for this happening are from slim to none. Anyways... after saying all of this... comes the meaningful part... All the above stuff takes lots of coding and lots of hours to get implemented. The real guestion we needed to ask was "Do you want new forum, eve gate or game improvements?". Now that would be much easier to answer. Couple good examples... here and here. So... my real answer to the OP's question is: old forums and better game, thank you :) tbh the calendar feature on eve-gate is quite good too. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Phocas Lebournes Northbridge Services Group	Posted - 2011.04.10 11:14:00 - [158] Originally by: Calathea Sata Let's pretend for a second that the new forums are working properly without security flaws. Which one do you prefer? New or old? The old one hands down! The new one make my eyes bleed. They can go pod the new forum one for all I care.
J Kunjeh Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.10 11:32:00 - [159] The new forum gets my vote. But I do agree that it needs a ton of work done to make it as promising as it seems. I'd say right now they were only about 65% finished, the rest needed major work. But I love the EveGate integration and many of the new features (not to mention the new look!). CCP, I hope you take the time to get it right before you open them up again!! ~Gnosis~
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:06:00 - [160] I like the old one better. The new one feels plastic and crappy.

Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:10:00 - [161] Who cares, it's just a forum.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:14:00 - [162] Originally by: Selinate Who cares, it's just a forum. For you (and probably a very large number of people), it might be just a forum. For some others (me included), it's an important or even the larger part of the actual game. Also, right back at you, "who cares, it's just a game". _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Half Cocked Jack	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:32:00 - [163] Oh come on. These forums are only worth browsing through eve-search and only worth logging on to in order to post. And you say the new ones have functionality issues (besides the obvious one of...er...not existing)? As far as complaining about images, I'd wager most never saw images to begin with because they couldn't be arsed to re-enable them every damn time they logged in.
Selinate Amarr Red Water Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:34:00 - [164] Edited by: Selinate on 10/04/2011 12:34:30 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Selinate Who cares, it's just a forum. For you (and probably a very large number of people), it might be just a forum. For some others (me included), it's an important or even the larger part of the actual game. Also, right back at you, "who cares, it's just a game". ...pathetic, much? And yes, it's just a game. If the eve servers suddenly died tomorrow and were unrecoverable, I would be one of the few survivors out of the (mostly pathetic) player base of this game since I wouldn't have a heart attack from shock over loss of my character and Eve...
Agrapena Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:38:00 - [165] in with the old, out with the new. I think the general concensus is the new ones are pretty awful. At least with the old one I didn`t have to strain my ageing eyes to read it and we`re not confronted by a miniature reading pane. So. Old ftw.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 12:48:00 - [166] Originally by: Axon Atom please name one thing the old forums have that was better Functionality wise. How about five? Proper link behaviour and accessibility. A wider range of markup. More settings. Direct access to EVE content. Contextual coherence. The problem with the new forums is that they were trying to look "modern" by applying scripted effects to everything. The problem is that scripted effects on everything creates exactly one thing: a UI nightmare, and unless it is done very carefully (i.e. not in this case) it will actually break more things than it fixes. àin fact: 6.ááGraceful degradation and fallback depending on the user's capabilities. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:02:00 - [167] Originally by: Selinate Edited by: Selinate on 10/04/2011 12:34:30 Originally by: Akita T Originally by: Selinate Who cares, it's just a forum. For you (and probably a very large number of people), it might be just a forum. For some others (me included), it's an important or even the larger part of the actual game. Also, right back at you, "who cares, it's just a game". ...pathetic, much? And yes, it's just a game. If the eve servers suddenly died tomorrow and were unrecoverable, I would be one of the few survivors out of the (mostly pathetic) player base of this game since I wouldn't have a heart attack from shock over loss of my character and Eve... So, you basically have no stake in EVE, you just like to be an ass to people that care ? _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts _
Kinta Huron	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:04:00 - [168] I hope CCP doesn't take you ****ing little suckholes seriously there are some of us here that welcome change and are looking forward to, and appreciate all the new content. If your not happy with the direction CCP is taking then simply leave! Your just a cancer in these forums anyway.
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:06:00 - [169] Originally by: Kinta Huron I hope CCP doesn't take you ****ing little suckholes seriously there are some of us here that welcome change and are looking forward to, and appreciate all the new content. If your not happy with the direction CCP is taking then simply leave! Your just a cancer in these forums anyway. Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks.
Kinta Huron	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:10:00 - [170] Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Kinta Huron I hope CCP doesn't take you **ing little suckholes seriously there are some of us here that welcome change and are looking forward to, and appreciate all the new content. If your not happy with the direction CCP is taking then simply leave! Your just a cancer in these forums anyway. Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks. I'm a troll because I happen to like the direction that CCP is going with this game? Leave my **ing game punk!

Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:13:00 - [171] Originally by: Kinta Huron I'm a troll because I happen to like the direction that CCP is going with this game? Since that direction is "to hell, by the road of zero QA", yes. Yes you are. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
JitaPriceChecker2	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:14:00 - [172] Originally by: Kinta Huron Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Kinta Huron I hope CCP doesn't take you **ing little suckholes seriously there are some of us here that welcome change and are looking forward to, and appreciate all the new content. If your not happy with the direction CCP is taking then simply leave! Your just a cancer in these forums anyway. Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks. I'm a troll because I happen to like the direction that CCP is going with this game? Leave my **ing game punk! Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks.
Kinta Huron	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:19:00 - [173] Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2 Originally by: Kinta Huron Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Kinta Huron I hope CCP doesn't take you **ing little suckholes seriously there are some of us here that welcome change and are looking forward to, and appreciate all the new content. If your not happy with the direction CCP is taking then simply leave! Your just a cancer in these forums anyway. Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks. I'm a troll because I happen to like the direction that CCP is going with this game? Leave my ing game punk! Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks. Troll on your main you ***!
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:20:00 - [174] Obvious troll caution. Please retain from feeding the trolls. Thanks. Please.
Niccolado Starwalker Gallente Shadow Templars	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:21:00 - [175] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 10/04/2011 13:21:34 Originally by: Calathea Sata Let's pretend for a second that the new forums are working properly without security flaws.Which one do you prefer? New or old? With a little work; the new one! But it DO need a little work! Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL.
Bantros Noir.	Posted - 2011.04.10 13:25:00 - [176] I liked how it was tied into Gate. To me these forums look old and outdated just like the website, it needs a refresher
Amateratsu Caldari The Pegasus Project	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:37:00 - [177] Definitely the old ones, don't like the look and feel of the new forums. Gotten used to the old ones for the last 5.5 years á
Heanna	Posted - 2011.04.10 14:40:00 - [178] Lets keep the old forums, the new ones SUCK!
General Domination	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:23:00 - [179] Dear CCP, I absolutely prefer the new ones, but we need also history clipboard there, because I really hate that if I am posting here and want go step backword when I misspelled a word or posting the post after a while afk. Also that here is no function to favorite a thread is really poor.
Erichk Knaar Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:51:00 - [180] I actually like them, aesthetically and functionally, but they need some work (and good QA).

Discrodia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:52:00 - [181] Old the way. Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
Conrad Makbure Gallente Teutonic Brotherhood	Posted - 2011.04.10 15:55:00 - [182] I want to say the old, but the search feature just sucks to high hell. I'm leaning the other way, unless they improve the search. -Makbure
Cletus Graeme Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.04.10 16:07:00 - [183] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 10/04/2011 16:07:27 Originally by: Conrad Makbure I want to say the old, but the search feature just sucks to high hell. I'm leaning the other way, unless they improve the search. Yeh, we really need a whole new set of forums just because the search feature on these sucks? Old. They're well presented and nicely organised, they work just fine and everyone knows their way around them which is pretty damn important for the internet forums of an 8 year old mmo. There maybe stuff that needs fixing/improving but I don't see how that justifies completely new forums.
Ander Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:30:00 - [184] old forums. Someone at CCP didnt take his Human Computer interaction courses seriously. The new forums blow in that sense. They arent human friendly, they look "nice" but nothing more. EVE PIRATE BattleDB.com
Naomi Wildfire Amarr Spricer	Posted - 2011.04.10 17:35:00 - [185] Definetly the old one, only thing that disturbed me was the bug that the settings sometimes got deleted or you need to log in twice or tripple. I disliked everything of the new board
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2011.04.10 18:19:00 - [186] Neither are of an acceptable standard for 1998.
Ginger Lovesponge	Posted - 2011.04.11 09:49:00 - [187] Create the new forum, fix the mistakes, make it look like the old forum, reduce the character picture size along with the quotes, best of both forums!

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2011.04.11 09:59:00 - [188] I too will just join in saying... old. /c Secure 3rd party service \| my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar'

The Old Chap	Posted - 2011.04.11 10:02:00 - [189] Chribba, your current toon looks like my window cleaner! Old is best, btw.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2011.04.11 10:10:00 - [190] Old forums. period. Updated Arch64 Compiz-Linux Desktop Who is John Galt?

rootimus maximus Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.11 10:56:00 - [191] If they make sensible use of the tons of great feedback they've been given by the players, the new forums will be much better (although, personally, I don't get the problem people have with the color scheme). As things stand, the only real problem with the old site is that third parties are trying to run scripts. The noscripts plugin for firefox takes care of that, but still, it'd be nice to see such scripts gone. Forever.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:02:00 - [192] Originally by: The Old Chap Chribba, your current toon looks like my window cleaner! Old is best, btw. God you have an ugly wife then. Or wait, is that one of those 'new' marriages? -
Dante Marcellus Minmatar Someone Else's Problem	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:10:00 - [193] Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 11/04/2011 11:11:07 New. -better looks -evegate integration -player/forum interaction Get rid of the security flaws and bring them back! The old forums feel like they've been crapped out of the '90s. You want to know the real reason the forum, whiny minority is saying "old"? Change. The greatest enemy of nostalgic and bullheaded people. And if you're reading this, you've fallen into a signature trap. You owe me 1m ISK.
Kaelea Selene	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:12:00 - [194] These old forums are alot nicer not always new things are best.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:15:00 - [195] I prefer working forums. -
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.11 11:23:00 - [196] Originally by: Dante Marcellus You want to know the real reason the forum, whiny minority is saying "old"? Progress. The greatest enemy of style over substance. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Fenlx	Posted - 2011.04.11 12:01:00 - [197] Old one. By far.
Neutrino Sunset Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact	Posted - 2011.04.11 12:08:00 - [198] New forums were fixed width, fugly and gave me eyestrain. Do not want.
Bhattran	Posted - 2011.04.11 12:34:00 - [199] Originally by: Dante Marcellus Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 11/04/2011 11:11:07 New. -better looks -evegate integration -player/forum interaction Get rid of the security flaws and bring them back! The old forums feel like they've been crapped out of the '90s. You want to know the real reason the forum, whiny minority is saying "old"? Change. The greatest enemy of nostalgic and bullheaded people. Oh no something doesn't look 'new' gotta change it. What I don't get is why didn't CCP just make the damn forums run on flash, that's safe right? What's more NEW than FLASH Forums, that's gotta be cool to not be able to use a TEXT based communication medium without having some stupid script running right? I don't think you can get much more 'new' than that but then I don't chase what is 'trending' to break functionality and prefers bells and whistles over substance. Papa don't preach, I've been losing sleep But I made up my mind, I'm keeping my baby, oh I'm gonna keep my baby, mmm...
Jorgan Niklow	Posted - 2011.04.11 12:46:00 - [200] Old one is far superior to the new one.

BoBoZoBo Foundation Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2011.04.11 13:57:00 - [201] Old Forums by far - Sorry guys New format makes my eyes bleed. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
LordInvisible Gallente Nova Ardour	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:03:00 - [202] old ones by far!!!! Dont fix what aint broken imho.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: "For me EvE wasn't that much fun, many ppl refer to it as a nicely designed database front-end and that
Rixiu The Inuits	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:11:00 - [203] Old. Only reason is they are easier on the eye (in the sense they don't hurt them after a minute of reading).
herot Fortunis - Redux	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:16:00 - [204] Old one, much better readability.
Terianna Eri Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:19:00 - [205] Old. Much better use of space, quotes aren't ugly, and imo the lack of a "like" feature is a good thing. New forums also take noticably longer to load for me on my poor ickle laptop ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Lokduin Haven Enterprises Incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:20:00 - [206] Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 14:20:24 Honestly, I liked the new forums. They actually gave me less eye strain, and being a designer, I liked that they integrated with the look of EVE Gate. Things need to be updated once in a while. Change can sometimes be good folks. Don't be afraid of the whitespace...
Ira Theos	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:30:00 - [207] I vote for the old tried and true forum... especially if it is less prone to viral injections...
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:40:00 - [208] Originally by: Lokduin Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 14:20:24 Honestly, I liked the new forums. They actually gave me less eye strain, and being a designer, I liked that they integrated with the look of EVE Gate. Things need to be updated once in a while. Change can sometimes be good folks. Don't be afraid of the whitespace... No mean to offence. Designer here too although I don't think claiming to be a designer helps anything at all. Old forum gives less eye strain (to not just you but everyone) period. I'm going to disagree your statements just for the sake of doing it. Things do not need to be updated unnecessary. Change can sometimes be bad as well. Don't be aftaid of the old... I'm sure you know what I mean being a designer yourself. While I appreciate the effort that went into the new forums... while it does look fancier and "fresh" but it doesn't mean "better".
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:52:00 - [209] Originally by: Dante Marcellus Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 11/04/2011 11:11:07 New. -better looks -evegate integration -player/forum interaction Get rid of the security flaws and bring them back! The old forums feel like they've been crapped out of the '90s. You want to know the real reason the forum, whiny minority is saying "old"? Change. The greatest enemy of nostalgic and bullheaded people. Utter dung. All you folks who can read faster than 100 WPM can scan the old forums quickly to assess interesting content. The new forums make that impossible. If there is a unit of measure that contrasts the old from the new, it is the amount of time it takes to peruse quickly and see if anything is interesting. I'm almost incredulous that this wasn't the overriding factor in the new redesign, as I won't spend time tediously navigating any forum format that takes more time than the original. Keep your stinkin' eye candy, Mr. Marcellus, I haven't got time for fluff.
flakeys The Great cornholio's	Posted - 2011.04.11 14:56:00 - [210] DEFINATLY old

Clementina The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:08:00 - [211] The Old forums are better. * They are easier to read. * They load faster. * Their quotes take up less space. * They look just as good as the new forums on a cellphone. * They have no avatar fade in to distract a person from reading posts when they scroll down. * They direct you to the first post in a thread when you click the title of a thread every time. * Clicking their page numbers directs you to the correct page. * Their process of submitting a post is less error prone. Also * It is not possible to impersonate another person on these forums. * It is not possible to run random CSS or JavaScript on these forums.
Dhaul Agent-Orange Nabaal Syndicate	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:16:00 - [212] New forum, of course. Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:26:00 - [213] Originally by: Dhaul Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is? No. We were just given a horrible reminder of how, even though these ones might be terrible, it is actually possible for worse things to existà Terrible > terribly terrible. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Clementina The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.11 15:53:00 - [214] Originally by: Dhaul Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is? I don't care how new or how old forums are, or when they were written really. I like to read books that were written before 1995 also.
Sieges	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:05:00 - [215] I prefer these old forums.
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:09:00 - [216] Originally by: Ghengis Tia Originally by: Dante Marcellus Edited by: Dante Marcellus on 11/04/2011 11:11:07 New. -better looks -evegate integration -player/forum interaction Get rid of the security flaws and bring them back! The old forums feel like they've been crapped out of the '90s. You want to know the real reason the forum, whiny minority is saying "old"? Change. The greatest enemy of nostalgic and bullheaded people. Utter dung. All you folks who can read faster than 100 WPM can scan the old forums quickly to assess interesting content. The new forums make that impossible. If there is a unit of measure that contrasts the old from the new, it is the amount of time it takes to peruse quickly and see if anything is interesting. I'm almost incredulous that this wasn't the overriding factor in the new redesign, as I won't spend time tediously navigating any forum format that takes more time than the original. Keep your stinkin' eye candy, Mr. Marcellus, I haven't got time for fluff. Not to mention EVE-Gate is a major disadvantage too, with the new forums. Not only was EVE-Gate fail (too) on release, with sensitive character information slipping out by default, it was also quite limited and buggy. That resembles of something else? Security risk, buggy, and half-done? -
Burnharder	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:17:00 - [217] As Clementina said: Quote: "The Old forums are better. * They are easier to read. * They load faster. * Their quotes take up less space. * They look just as good as the new forums on a cellphone. * They have no avatar fade in to distract a person from reading posts when they scroll down. * They direct you to the first post in a thread when you click the title of a thread every time. * Clicking their page numbers directs you to the correct page. * Their process of submitting a post is less error prone. Also * It is not possible to impersonate another person on these forums. * It is not possible to run random CSS or JavaScript on these forums." Even though his/her name sounds like a sexually transmitted disease, I approve of this message and would like to add: Quote: "you can see more topics on the main page". Overall, the new forums were an utter fail.
Lokduin Haven Enterprises Incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:28:00 - [218] Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 16:31:17 Originally by: Calathea Sata Originally by: Lokduin Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 14:20:24 Honestly, I liked the new forums. They actually gave me less eye strain, and being a designer, I liked that they integrated with the look of EVE Gate. Things need to be updated once in a while. Change can sometimes be good folks. Don't be afraid of the whitespace... No mean to offence. Designer here too although I don't think claiming to be a designer helps anything at all. Old forum gives less eye strain (to not just you but everyone) period. I'm going to disagree your statements just for the sake of doing it. Things do not need to be updated unnecessary. Change can sometimes be bad as well. Don't be aftaid of the old... I'm sure you know what I mean being a designer yourself. While I appreciate the effort that went into the new forums... while it does look fancier and "fresh" but it doesn't mean "better". No offence taken. I was just providing the designer reference to provide context to the viewpoint, and I happen to be one that takes constructive criticism well. As for your point. I absolutely agree. Sometimes a fresh look isn't the way to go. And I can also understand why so many people on the forums overwhelmingly prefer the old design. If it ain't broke (much), then don't fix it. I am simply personally liking the design of the new forums better because I find it easier on my eyes. I would probably be fine with the old forums if the font size was a couple points bigger, and changed to a light grey instead of white. I suppose I could probably make these changes with greasemonkey at home, but it's a little harder to do when I'm reading the forums at lunch from work. So given the two choices presented, I prefer the new format. Just a thought. Functionality aside, is it possible to provide the option to "skin" the forums in the old or the new style?
Misanth RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:39:00 - [219] Originally by: Lokduin Just a thought. Functionality aside, is it possible to provide the option to "skin" the forums in the old or the new style? And change font sizes, width etc. That would make everyone happy and most of the "new or old" debate die. The truth is we have functioning forums, whatever people think about the look or not. The major reason to make these new must be to integrate it with EVE-Gate, which happens to be a feature very few use (I don't know a single player who actually use it). Just like when CCP removed all stickies to promote their EVE-Wiki. There was no need to rush it either, unless these new forums are part of a grander goal. tinfoil hats. Yup, playing devils advocate here, but maybe CCP should just stop forcing Dust and WoD-features on EVE just because CCP want to release those other games asap. -
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:42:00 - [220] new forums give me less eye strain

Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:45:00 - [221] Originally by: Lokduin Edited by: Lokduin on 11/04/2011 16:31:17 Just a thought. Functionality aside, is it possible to provide the option to "skin" the forums in the old or the new style? I guess skinning the forums is not a difficult task (just tweak some html codes) but getting a good design is.
Lokduin Haven Enterprises Incorporated	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:48:00 - [222] Can we at least agree the search on the new forums was a little better?
Calathea Sata State War Academy	Posted - 2011.04.11 16:49:00 - [223] Originally by: Lokduin Can we at least agree the search on the new forums was a little better? Arguably, if you take eve-search into account... Well okay at least CCP made us a search engine.
Bomberlocks Minmatar CTRL-Q	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:01:00 - [224] Old, by far. Main complaints about the new: - Too narrow and no option to change that. - Quotes were simply ridiculous - Like system was imbecilic and open to abuse - The security was non existent - Portraits were too big - Font was less readable than the current font. - Slow - The smilies didn't work properly - The security vulnerability has cost CCP all the reputation it had recently built up with team BFF and team Gridlock, and it means even more wasted time.
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:05:00 - [225] Edited by: stoicfaux on 11/04/2011 17:05:21 Old forums. The old forums much are easier to read. The new forums didn't offer any features or improvements that made the new forums a must have upgrade. ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Binarii	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:09:00 - [226] New ones, if you remove local in nullsec.
Tosser Galore	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:16:00 - [227] BOTH [/URL]
Quetazoid	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:17:00 - [228] Sooo glad the old forums are back :)
Linda Shadowborn Gallente Dark Steel Industries	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:34:00 - [229] Old by far. these i can read without wanting to poke my eyes out with a soon due to the horrible pain i would get after a few topics.
Florence Valentine	Posted - 2011.04.11 17:45:00 - [230] Old Old Old Old Old.... like times infinity to the power of infinity squared, and then cubed. Or put another way, I like the old Forums best times the number of people whining about AFK cloakers. Go cloakers!!

NightmareX Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:07:00 - [231] Edited by: NightmareX on 11/04/2011 18:12:48 Originally by: BoBoZoBo Old Forums by far - Sorry guys New format makes my eyes bleed. Wow, you get a new forum with different colors and new theme and you expect the eyes to not see it as different than this forum? Maybe you guys should just get used to it instead of going bawwwww, it's hurting my eyes after 5 seconds. I had absolutely no problems to go from the old forum to the new forum. And i'm even using a 32-inch Samsung LED-TV as my computer screen. For me the texts isn't any sharper or lighter on the new forum. By your defenition, you can't read other forums because they would have white background on the whole topic with black text for example, since the white background would burn you're eyes.
Katsumoto Caldari Quam Singulari Session Changes	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:31:00 - [232] old .
Kyra Felann Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.11 18:52:00 - [233] Originally by: Dhaul New forum, of course. Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is? Yeah, I find it hilarious how so many people griped and complained about these early 2000-era forums and now people whine about the new forums. It goes to show that the vocal minority of EVE players are never, ever happy. Someone will whine about every single change to matter how good or tiny. -----WARNING SIGNATURE BELOW----- Bring back the NeoNeoCom!
Clementina The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.11 19:09:00 - [234] Originally by: Lokduin Can we at least agree the search on the new forums was a little better? Not sure I can agree here, although this might be nit-picking. When you use eve-search to search for a thread, the thread contains the corporations and alliances that people were in when they posted on the thread, not the corporations they are in currently. That is useful information.
phintais	Posted - 2011.04.11 19:55:00 - [235] Keep the old forums please. New forums are terrible.
Scorpyn Caldari Warp Ghosts Omega Spectres of the Deep	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:00:00 - [236] Old
Night Epoch Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:04:00 - [237] The new forums (minus the security issues), of COURSE. I just love seeing all these idiots whine about hating the new forums, when not two months ago these same people were whining about the old forums. The new one (again, minus the security issues) is an OBVIOUS (major) improvement.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:10:00 - [238] Originally by: Night Epoch The new forums (minus the security issues), of COURSE. I just love seeing all these idiots whine about hating the new forums, when not two months ago these same people were whining about the old forums. The new one (again, minus the security issues) is an OBVIOUS (major) improvement. of course that the old forums need improvement, there is no denying that. the new forums had too many problems tho. Granted the problems could be solved on the fly, if it wasn't the security holes they had... --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Angst IronShard Minmatar Sense of Serendipity Echoes of Nowhere	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:22:00 - [239] New one. and I don't care if there's no signature option ! . ____________________________________________ Freedom is nothing but a chance to be better.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:26:00 - [240] I really don't have any issues with the old forums (although apparently many, many people did), however I do find the new forums much more pleasing and restful to the eye. I LIKE the larger character portraits (although an option to reduce their size or omit them would be appreciated by many I am sure), and I find the layout to be cleaner and much easier to read. There are some draw backs to be sure, chief among them the smaller number of topics readily visible. Personally I can accept that gladly in exchange for a more relaxed forum whoring experience. I'm not that concerned about the new forums going down. I'm reasonably sure our outraged botting community put extra special effort into bringing it (among others) down. This isn't the first time EVE related forums have taken the brunt of their wrath and had to scramble to close any vulnerabilities. I'm more than willing to wait and see what happens when CCP tightens things a bit. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.

Tuggboat Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.11 20:28:00 - [241] Revert eve back to the wormhole patch. Forums are only a symptom of the real problem.
Dazram Two	Posted - 2011.04.11 22:44:00 - [242] I don't prefer one over the other. A forum is a forum and I'll take whatever CCP decides upon.
NotTheSmartestCookie	Posted - 2011.04.12 07:28:00 - [243] Prefer old forum. New forum has so much fluff that it only fits half the posts on the same screen.
Lubomir Penev Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.04.12 13:56:00 - [244] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Dhaul Did some of you somehow forget how absolutely terrible this forum software from 1995 or something is? No. We were just given a horrible reminder of how, even though these ones might be terrible, it is actually possible for worse things to existà Terrible > terribly terrible. +1 like
Bodrul Caldari The Illuminatii Dirt Nap Squad.	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:00:00 - [245] OLD FORUMS new forums are way behind the curve compared to other forums free forum software makes for better software ............ "you dont need a reason or a three piece suit to argue the truth" Game Reviews
Kengutsi Akira	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:01:00 - [246] Originally by: Calathea Sata Let's pretend for a second that the new forums are working properly without security flaws. Which one do you prefer? New or old? Old forums. Less security risks lol ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass"
IsTheOpOver	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:47:00 - [247] Yet another thread for voting on new/old forums? Old forums are better. More posts on the screen at once, much easier to read font/color scheme.
Antihrist Pripravnik 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2011.04.15 22:54:00 - [248] New.
Jaik7	Posted - 2011.04.15 23:33:00 - [249] rage on me all you want, but i don't see a difference between the two. except in genral security. the only thing i really HATED about the news was the like butten and the fact my didn't lol. p.s. cal i LIKE this post


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