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Akama Lowe
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Posted - 2011.04.10 03:42:00 -
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Just curious CCP, why in the past have militia forces been able to join the tourney but the last few only Alliances can? This would be a total non-issue but Militia corps can't form alliances. To participate in the tournament you have to remove your group of players in order to form a non faction alliance, this would be for several months. Being a hard pill to swallow for the average militia pilot as the vast majority of income comes from FW missions. Has anyone thought about the militia community or is the tourney only for everyone but those who chose to fly for faction forces?
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Saarinn
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:17:00 -
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"Alliance" Tournament
Besides exactly who in the militias would decide on tactics and team members? Its not like u have an executor.
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Akama Lowe
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Posted - 2011.04.10 04:33:00 -
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Like was posted it would be a non issue if Militia corps could form alliances. As for the choice of who plays, at that point it would be the same as any other "Alliance". In addition the alliance tourney has in the past incorporated people who were in faction warfare. My question is why are the mechanics set up to totally remove this portion of the eve community who obviously enjoy pvp as much as bubble camping null sec masses.
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McFly
Peanut Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.10 06:50:00 -
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Because Faction Warfare as a mechanic was designed to keep Alliances from Participating. Thank CCP.
But anyway, if you want to participate in the Tourney form an alliance. If it's important to you, save up some cash before the sign up, drop FW and create the alliance 48 hrs before the deadline.
Surely the time not PVPing in FW could be spent theorycrafting and testing out your setups.
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Lykouleon
Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.10 19:40:00 -
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The big problem with FW in the alliance tourney is deciding the team members. Of course, FW has it community and a great wealth of co-ordination has sprung upon between the corporations, but it still doesn't have that final "say" that an alliance has.
Whereas an alliance team can be formed and given "ye olde stamp of approval," the FW teams would be assembled from the different corps within FW. Some of those corps may not necessarily agree with ships/tactics/players chosen, which could illegitimize the FW team as really representing all FW corps from its militia.
It was done back in AT7 (iirc) with some limited success. I'd love to see each FW militia field a team again and just whoop some of the ~pr0 pee-vee-pee~ alliances. Don't click on this. No, really, don't, it'll make your eyes bleed. |
Hildre Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2011.04.11 17:29:00 -
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I, too, am anxiously waiting a CCP voice on the Faction Warfare team issue with regards to the tournament. I tried positing the question on the newer forums before they got taken down for maintenance, and basically got trolled by nullsec junkies who scoffed at the idea that militias have the talent to be competitive (Despite the fact that FW is full of pilots who switch sides to always have the best fights, keeping PvP constantly competitive.)
And yes, organizing a team would be a challenge, but that's also the reason most of us have stayed in FW and enjoyed it so much - we are free to experiment, tinker, refine our techniques, without having our ships and strategies dictated to us by a few authorities. Not having to defend territory or be slaves to call-to-arms and capital warfare frees up our time and resources to focus on one thing - small gang and fleet warfare, on the scale seen in the tournament.
I agree, its silly we have to give up our corp and shuffle around to rename ourselves just to have an opportunity to compete. All the 0.0 nuts who laugh at us, just let us fight so you can stomp us and say we told you so. What do you have to lose?
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Kumq uat
Gallente Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hildre Jagerblitzen What do you have to lose?
4 slots that could have gone to people who can actually fight properly and not just swarms of t1 ships. --------------------------------------- www.eve-pirate.com original author |
Hildre Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2011.04.11 22:50:00 -
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All the killboards for the militia are easy to find, the suggestion that the factions are limited to "swarms of Tech 1 ships" is simply ignorant. Militias these days regularly field everything from interceptors to supercarriers, with everything in between including recon, HAC's, command ships, and strategic cruisers.
Obviously there are noobish corps cutting their teeth on cheap stuff, but the upper end is unlimited as far as what the experienced FW corps enjoy fielding and fighting with. We most certainly can put forth the same ships with the same fittings as any Alliance.
Again, that's why I'm interested in CCP's take on Alliance exclusivity, not the opinions of people not involved in FW who like to look down their noses towards those that are.
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McFly
Peanut Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.11 23:22:00 -
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There are some great pilots in the militias. But as I mentioned earlier if you're too damn lazy or emo to drop militia for 2 months to participate in the biggest event in eve, then gtfo tbh.
The reality is that the majority of the teams that participate in the alliance tournament either drop their usual alliance tags, or form alt corps/alliances specifically for the tournament when it comes around. There are plenty of examples in AT History.
So once again the nullsec players will drop the entry fee/auction bid, alliance creation fee and the time to chase a slot for the tourney.
Exactly why are FW Militia corps special enough to trump everyone else, in that they deserve a reserved slot? Hell only the top 4 teams from last year got guaranteed slots this year.
If you want something, earn it, and quit whining about nullsec evil empires.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.12 00:36:00 -
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Kumquat may be a terrible poster and wrong about "T1 swarms", but the fact is when FW did get slots they performed underwhelmingly and AFAIK there's no real reason to expect them to take it any more seriously / do any better this year - haven't FW numbers actually been decreasing ?
That said, by all means prove everyone wrong. Find pilots willing to commit the ISK and time required to be competitive and form or join an alliance before the 15th of May.
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Hildre Jagerblitzen
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Posted - 2011.04.12 05:17:00 -
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I was in no way demanding that militias have a "reserved slot" or other such special privilege, nor am I whining about nullsec "evil empires". Everyone has the right to play Eve with whom and wherever they choose, and I highly respect the kind of gameplay 0.0 offers.
The only question myself and others have been trying to answer is why militia members can't enroll and fight under their own banner. I wasn't aware tournament pilots drop tags and rename and reform, since the names I've seen in the tournament have been identical to alliance names I see in game. If that's the case, you're right in that there is no reason FW pilots cant do the same. Its not a huge deal in the end, just a structural extra step that seems unnecessary.
I've said it before in my other posts that I am a relatively new player (less than 2 years) so I'm simply asking the history of the situation. I have absolute certainty that past FW teams probably sucked compared to the teams offered by nullsec alliances, since its taken a few years for militia fighting to grow into what it is today.
Numbers may be down as far as active participants, but faction warfare still has a dedicated following and thousands of players involved, with every ship in the game being used regularly (save titans, which do us no good). Clearly there is still some stereotypes of Faction Warfare to overcome though, it seems.
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