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Malcanis
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Posted - 2012.08.31 22:23:00 -
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MetalDev wrote:Yes, they're annoying, yes they're carebears who prey on mission runners, and yes most of them are cowards and won't fight 1v1. These things we know.
But I thought of it like this. If you pop an NPC and the wreck contains loot - they can steal it. Stealing constitutes taking items from a container that do not belong to you. Salvaged components are items. Salvaged components are contained within a wreck. And yet when someone is salvaging your wrecks and not looting them, they don't get any punishment for it. What it comes down to is them using a module to take your items from a container that you created by destroying an enemy. Anywhere else in EVE this is illegal and results in an aggression countdown. Why not with salvaging? Because some Dev somewhere wrote "CONCORD considers wrecks to be communal junk, anyone can have junk"? Seems legit...
And then of course we move on to everyone's favorite - the real reason its an exploit. Let's say you choose to fight back. I've one shotted many a T1 frigate or destroyer and gotten away with it. 99.9% of the time they either return with a PVP fit ship and a few friends, or all of their friends who were waiting warp in and gank you, you loose everything. My point here is there's nothing - literally nothing you can do about it. You can attack - you might pop one or maybe two of them, but you'll be ganked, scrammed, and pop goes your ship. You loose.
Or you can give in, just let them have all your loot and salvage. They'll make lots of money, you'll have wasted a lot of time and lost isk. You loose. It seems a poorly balanced system where the people making their isk legitimately have absolutely no recourse or defense against having people blatantly steal from them. They want you to try to defend yourself so that they can exploit a game mechanic and have people warp in and kill you, which you would have absolutely no defense against. Balance the system, make it a fair fight.
I was just the other day thinking about how long it's been since someone made a fool out of themselves by starting one of these threads.
Thanks, I suppose.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.06 14:19:00 -
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"ninja salvaging" is specifically intended gameplay and precisely what CCP had in mind when the introduced salvage. Salvage was explictly not intended as part of the mission reward.
So it is the exact opposite of an "exploit".
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.13 12:23:00 -
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Annie Freemont wrote:Here's a little ownership test for ya: can you shoot the wreck without Concord blowing you up? If not, then the wreck is owned by the person who CAN shoot the wreck without being Conkordokkened.
Here's a little fact test: the developers of which MMO said clearly and publically that Salvage was specifically created to belong to the player who creates it from the wreck, and that their intent was to create a new profession, not to increase mission rewards.
(One word, sounds like "leave" if you don't like it)
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:04:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:If a ninja steals from your can and you come back with a PVP ship... his friends cannot attack you. Ninja can't shoot me either. Cannibal Kane wrote:And for the Morons that say if you shoot a ninja that steals from you, his friends will gank you... you are morons to. Why he would shoot that random mission runner if he (ninja) steals from his pirate friends (corp hangar?)?
Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!
(I gave you a little helping hand)
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.14 12:20:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Malcanis wrote:Reading isn't your strong point, but try reading what he actually wrote until you get it. It'll be worth the effort!
(I gave you a little helping hand) It was originally "thief that steals from his friends"... L2F5
And it magically changed itself in your quote too?
Interesting.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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