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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:22:00 -
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 Originally by: Cleric Preston
Hi guys
I want to pvp, so that means having the isk to replace ships fairly often. However most of the players that seem to be able to throw ships into pvp are using money making alts to fund it.
Im not going down that route as tbh I think its a joke that to enjoy a game you have to maybe pay for it 2 or 3 times over just to have enough in game cash to make the most of it. Before the nul sec nerf I had to grind to make enough isk, but it was fair enough. Now things are a lot more difficult.
Any opinions on this?
Wait, you need to make money to PvP? You're doing it wrong.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 13/04/2011 15:30:56
Originally by: Cleric Preston
Hi guys
I want to pvp, so that means having the isk to replace ships fairly often. However most of the players that seem to be able to throw ships into pvp are using money making alts to fund it.
Im not going down that route as tbh I think its a joke that to enjoy a game you have to maybe pay for it 2 or 3 times over just to have enough in game cash to make the most of it. Before the nul sec nerf I had to grind to make enough isk, but it was fair enough. Now things are a lot more difficult.
Any opinions on this?
Do you actually mean alt account or do you mean alt character?
There's no need to get a second account - I funded all my pvp for the first 9 months with a trade alt who had 2.5 mill SPs.
Don't like trade/can't do it? Build yourself a stealth bomber alt (4mill SP or so?), put it into Factional Warfare and run missions.
On the Minmatar side its stupidly easy as you just kill a couple of indies or BC - its "kill the target" missions. They take perhaps 90 seconds to actually complete if the system is clear of people (they get to see your mission beacon), 5-10 mins if its got hostiles in the system/mission. You can pull probably 60-80mill an hour in LP saleable stuff - more if you're organised, I never am. Most of the hour will be travel time rather than the mission so its very do-able semi-afk.
No need for a second account just to make iskies. Second accounts become compulsory when you have a character who can fly a jump-capable ship (AND owns one).
HTH.
Edit - oh and obviously the potential for PvP is also there with the FW missions. These days potential is largely all there is in FW but you can still shoot at people while you're travelling - just not much point in doing it to anything under BC size 
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric Preston
Hi guys
I want to pvp, so that means having the isk to replace ships fairly often. However most of the players that seem to be able to throw ships into pvp are using money making alts to fund it.
Im not going down that route as tbh I think its a joke that to enjoy a game you have to maybe pay for it 2 or 3 times over just to have enough in game cash to make the most of it. Before the nul sec nerf I had to grind to make enough isk, but it was fair enough. Now things are a lot more difficult.
Any opinions on this?
Have you tried ratting? Seriously, people did fine for 7-8 years before the upgrade system came into effect. Try being a little less risk averse. Get out there and EARN your money like everyone before you had to do.
Alternatively, train for planetary interaction.
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Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:53:00 -
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It's plain stupidity to not have more than one account if you want to be competitive. I have several accounts and I plan to buy several more, expansion and conquering needs its accounts.
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Vol Arm'OOO
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:05:00 -
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Edited by: Vol Arm''OOO on 13/04/2011 16:10:20
Edited by: Vol Arm''OOO on 13/04/2011 16:05:06
Originally by: Cleric Preston
Hi guys
I want to pvp, so that means having the isk to replace ships fairly often. However most of the players that seem to be able to throw ships into pvp are using money making alts to fund it.
Im not going down that route as tbh I think its a joke that to enjoy a game you have to maybe pay for it 2 or 3 times over just to have enough in game cash to make the most of it. Before the nul sec nerf I had to grind to make enough isk, but it was fair enough. Now things are a lot more difficult.
Any opinions on this?
You will find that in eve frequently pvp involves alot of waiting around -- siting on a gate camp, waiting for someone to undock, roaming for targets, etc. . . To give an example I recently sat cloaked on a gate camp for 2 hours waiting for them to engage someone so I could bomb them. And not to mention pos bashing -- siting there for hours while your guns cycle (cant understand why people like pos bashing). Now it would be boring as hell to just sit and stare at the screen while you are waiting -- so many folks have alts to do other things while trying to find targets on their mains. Yes it is fked up that enjoyment of eve pvp requires alts -- but thats eve.
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:12:00 -
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i hve played EVE in hardcore mode with 1 char and no alts for near on 7 years now ive seen no real "MUST" for having an alt its just folks get lazy, or dont have friends to help them do stuff like haul for them.
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Ioci
Gallente
Morrigna Order
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric Keenan
But could you do it all with the game time I have?
Ive played a few other mmo's and never came across the grind that I am now faced with.
This.
To the OP though, the catch is to see EVE for what it is. Niche. Everything is Niched. The exception seems to be in our characters. We get 3 but very few people skill more than one. Can you play EVE without an Alt? No, not really. Can you play EVE with one account? Yes though you won't be able to compete in the game because as you indicated, everyone and thier dog has multiple accounts. |
Hot Sleazy Wench
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric Keenan
Im a dad with a wife and 2 kids so my game time is limited to maybe 2 hrs a night when everyone goes to bed, even then Im not going to be doing that every night.
So with the new nerf im kinda screwed tbh, to have a few minutes of fun im going to have to put in a lot of hrs grinding. I think ccp need to look at how a player in my situation can enjoy eve, because at the minute im not.
But that's life, either live with it or move on. Life is about choices, we all have to make them and you've made a choice that means you maybe can't play EVE anymore. What do you think CCP is gonna do for you?
I mean I'd like to have a Corvette. Maybe GM will give me one for 10% cause I can't afford full price and gee whiz, I'm entitled...
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci
Originally by: Cleric Keenan
But could you do it all with the game time I have?
Ive played a few other mmo's and never came across the grind that I am now faced with.
This.
To the OP though, the catch is to see EVE for what it is. Niche. Everything is Niched. The exception seems to be in our characters. We get 3 but very few people skill more than one. Can you play EVE without an Alt? No, not really. Can you play EVE with one account? Yes though you won't be able to compete in the game because as you indicated, everyone and thier dog has multiple accounts.
the only need I've seen for alts atm is if you're a capship pilot and you want to move your ships by yourself, or you have a supercap.
granted nowadays that seems to be the rage tho...
and yes you can play EVE without an alt.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci
To the OP though, the catch is to see EVE for what it is. Niche. Everything is Niched. The exception seems to be in our characters. We get 3 but very few people skill more than one. Can you play EVE without an Alt? No, not really. Can you play EVE with one account? Yes though you won't be able to compete in the game because as you indicated, everyone and thier dog has multiple accounts.
Niche is more efficient with multiple characters for sure. However multiple characters on the same account is quite do-able.
The problem for genuinely new characters is having the earning power to sustain interest in a "main" when its not going to be training for a couple of months. I found PvP worked but that's not for everyone.
Evemon 4tw obviously but no newbie will follow that sort of plan as its inherently boring for the first 3 months 
Personally I'd give subscribed newbies some sort of ability to train two characters at once for a while (specified number of points/whatever). It'd get "abused" by people who aren't newbies but make it CC/advance payment only (no PLEX) for first year then that'd be fair enough?
tl;dr Eve is inherently unfair. Its meant to be that way but could use a tweak or two
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X Omega
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: X Omega on 13/04/2011 17:06:20
I have 5 accounts I pay cash for all of them. I also refuse to grind so I buy 2-3 GTC's a month to have ISK to finance what I really want to do which is PVP. So I spend 150 a month to play EVE.
But it's my biggest form of entertainment until I find something else. And it's still far cheaper than raising kids that I don't have and I can do what I bloody well want to regardless of the trolls and busybodies who will gladly tell me how I should be spending the money I earn differently...
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:08:00 -
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The real question here is can your alt play eve without a main.
You see what I did there.
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Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Guer
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:13:00 -
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you can also just scam someone for a few billion isk. Even if you're not into that kind of thing, Eve is all about looking out for those golden opportunities.
Also OWN alliance is terrible and I'm astonished it still exists.
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Cailais
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:19:00 -
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I just one account and have never had any difficulty in playing EVE be that pvp, or pve. The only exception Id say to this is the use of capital ships which really need a cyno alt if you hope to be able to move them reliably.
C.
the hydrostatic capsule blog
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FeralShadow
RipStar.
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:36:00 -
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Hey there. I've been playing since 2005, pvping since 2006, and have never had an alt to make money for me. I currently own lots of assets and capital ships, all of this done without an alt.
In short, it can be done. It's a bit tricky, obviously, and most of the way you gain money is by not losing it in the first place, so it accumulates over time.
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Esan Vartesa
Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.13 18:10:00 -
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I have friends.
You should try it.
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Akirei Scytale
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Posted - 2011.04.13 20:51:00 -
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The only alt I have sits in jita, checks prices, and occasionally runs purchased items a couple jumps out so my main can more safely grab them. if you aren't frequently wardecced by highsec gankers, you don't really need one at all tbh.
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Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
Someone Else's Problem
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Posted - 2011.04.13 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
I could do it all with this guy, I have an alt or rather second account that I keep all my valuables on in case this rather high profile one gets hacked, that's the main use for it.
Gimme back my name 
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Palmput
Japanese Atomic Brokers
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Posted - 2011.04.13 21:19:00 -
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I've done everything with one character, the hard way. I podded someone and I took the opportunity as an excuse to make a crapload of money in addition to earning my way into highsec. I can make enough for a PLEX within a month; it's a matter of how lazy I am.
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Pr0m Queen
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Posted - 2011.04.13 21:24:00 -
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Alt accounts make your life easier - light cynos, scout, haul stuff, of course mine/trade/farm while simultaneously doing something else with your main.
Of course you can do it all alone (though you can't light a cyno for yourself), but if you can afford an alt account - why not?
As for the nullsec nerf - feel your pain, but who said you absolutely have to get some pricy ship for pvp? you can have fun t1 frig or cruiser if you want. in fact most of us do. this stuff is cheap, just kill few rats in nullsec belts and you have enought money for the hull. same for empire - one mission and you got it.
it all comes down to how you PvP rly. if you mostly end up as a wreck, then no wonder you need a lot of isk to make up for it. just try flying in a gang with friends or corpmates, socialize... well you know, it's MMO. i pvp with my main and sometimes get to loot our targets - it pays. some t2 modules, sometimes faction loot, sometimes valuable cargo, ammunition - sell it or use it and you already have enough to fuel your pvp efforts |
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Irani Firecam
Gallente
Lords 0f Justice
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.13 21:26:00 -
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Yes, it would be really awesome to bridge 800 man blobs with my rifter.
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Kraal Jarik
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Posted - 2011.04.13 21:49:00 -
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Yes. Nuff said.
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