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Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.07 04:33:00 - [1] This week I have lost a Dominix and a Brutix to L3 missions... Therefore I made some experiments and figured out it was because the agent looks at what ship you have and tailors the mission accordingly. So I gave a try at L4 missions with a Vexor and this is the result: screenshot The explanation is that the ships try to lock the drones and they can't... I lost a Vexor to this mission already though since the 2nd wave spawned on the top of the ship... Missions stuff is all about cheating it seems...
Fabricated Lies	Posted - 2005.02.07 04:42:00 - [2] it's all about warpin out when the dung starts to hit the fan.. I have yet to lose my BC in a level 3 mission, but... have come close many many many times! ═════════════════ ½½½ I R Fabricator! +++ ═══════_
Tavernier	Posted - 2005.02.07 04:52:00 - [3] that vexor uses a laser, 1 250mm rail, 2 blasters, has a shield booster, a passive shield hardner, 2 passive armor hardners and 2 power upgrades... no offense, but I believe your problem isn't skills or what type of ship you fly, rather how you set them up...
Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.07 04:57:00 - [4] Edited by: Falbala on 07/02/2005 05:01:27 I lost all my stuff just took what was left on my hangar lol... Edit: The problem here is not the setup if they fire at me the vexor explodes you know the 2 core are BS it is just let them try to hit the drones while you kill them.
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.02.07 05:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Falbala This week I have lost a Dominix and a Brutix to L3 missions... Therefore I made some experiments and figured out it was because the agent looks at what ship you have and tailors the mission accordingly. So I gave a try at L4 missions with a Vexor and this is the result WRONG, what type of ship you use when you accept the mission have nothing to do with it. Could be you got better success with a cruiser, because your skills are more tailored in that direction. Losing a battleship (even a dominix) on a level 3 mission is suspect. Just because you can fly a ship doesnt mean you can FLY it if you catch my drift Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.07 05:25:00 - [6] Ruffio I come back after a 6 monthes break right... But I have ran hundreds of missions before, I am in contact with more than 40 agents and I can tell you that for example you wouldn't get any kill mission in a rookie ship. The agents look at what ships you own, believe it or not. About setup or me not having the good skills, or being a bad pilot if you want but I never ever failed a L3 mission in a Dominix before. The point is whatever ship I use if they target me I die... Not always but often enough for me to lose the ship at some point. My strategy was approach at 37km and start firing with 250mm with Thorium then launch the drones at 34km everything was fine. Nothing to be proud of but it worked. Now they pop on me they insta lock and hit me. So yes I lose ships because I am not prepared to this. So now instead of tanking with the ship I decide to tank with the drones and it works... What is the problem with setup? The point is tank with drones and kill with ship when 6 monthes ago it was the contrary. It is not about having or not having BS skills.
Hanse Davion	Posted - 2005.02.07 05:44:00 - [7] I submit that you theory is suspect as well. I am a Drone MASTER, I was using drones back when they didn't work at all :-) I regularly do lvl4 kill missions and the bottom line to all the missions now is simple. 1) Attack one group at a time, if you screw up and agro everything then you dead meat no matter what ship you fly and/or accept the mission in. 2) As soon as you come out of warp you align to something to make you get away. Then depending on the mission and/or setup you fly away from the Rats, shooting the whole time. 3) If you get down to 40% armor you run, repair and return. Rinse repeat till the mission is complete. 4) Finally people lose ships to mission for being greedy, nothing more, nothing less. They want to make the bonus times so they stay longer then they should. If the bonus is a good one don't accept the mission to you can build a group large enough to do the mission within the bonus time. I loss on average 1 Apoc a week to lvl4 missions, I can do this because I make on average 25 to 50 mil a day so replacing them is not a problem. When I do lose a ship it's because I screwed up, not the game, not a bug, just a bad choice on my part. Just admit you lost your ships because you made a mistake, don't blame the system, blame the pilot. 2005.01.21 05:09:06combatYour Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Priest, wrecking for 533.1 damage.
Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.07 05:51:00 - [8] When did I say I was a good pilot or my setup was the best or anything like that? I know I made mistakes but once again you miss the point... Blaming the system? No I am very happy I found a way to do L4 missions in a cheap cruiser why would I complain?
MrRookie	Posted - 2005.02.07 07:30:00 - [9] Well actualy thats good for you, but dang it must take ages to kill of the BSs with a cruiser :/ I experienced the same thing regarding drones. Used my apoc and launched some light drones and most of the ships started shoting missiles at them but couldnt hitt. _____________________________________________ \o/ I got a siggy... WTB 3x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=139877
Cyber Baron	Posted - 2005.02.07 10:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico WRONG, what type of ship you use when you accept the mission have nothing to do with it. I would not say that. Actually agents look what kind of ship you have to decide what mission they will give to you. Of course for agents that give 99% kill missions like Navy ones, you won't see many change, but if you work with an agent that gives let's say 50% Fight and 50% Courrier, you will see very clear difference : if your active ship is a hauler when docked in the agent base, you'll have 90% chance to have a haul mission (not 100%). And if your active ship is a BS, you'll have 90% chance to get a fight mission. I observed this from very long ago and it's still working.
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.02.07 12:25:00 - [11] Originally by: Cyber Baron Originally by: Ruffio Sepico WRONG, what type of ship you use when you accept the mission have nothing to do with it. I would not say that. Actually agents look what kind of ship you have to decide what mission they will give to you. Of course for agents that give 99% kill missions like Navy ones, you won't see many change, but if you work with an agent that gives let's say 50% Fight and 50% Courrier, you will see very clear difference : if your active ship is a hauler when docked in the agent base, you'll have 90% chance to have a haul mission (not 100%). And if your active ship is a BS, you'll have 90% chance to get a fight mission. I observed this from very long ago and it's still working. If I recall right the devs (Zrakor, or whoever it was), said on these forums that what type of ship you fly have nothing to do with what mission you get or hardship of the mission. I work for several agents daily, as I have to fly around to stations fast to get the missions I use anything from a indy to a shuttle, or even a newbie ship, all deppending on what I got at hand, and its the same old same old. You get no lax what so ever due to your ship. Its all in your imagination. Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Cyber Baron	Posted - 2005.02.07 12:41:00 - [12] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Its all in your imagination. Well it's nice to see that my imagination is strong enough to allow me to choose between Courier and Fight mission with success in 90% cases
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.02.07 13:55:00 - [13] Originally by: Cyber Baron Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Its all in your imagination. Well it's nice to see that my imagination is strong enough to allow me to choose between Courier and Fight mission with success in 90% cases Type of mission deppend on type of agent, not your active ship. Geeze Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Helen Tiger	Posted - 2005.02.07 14:11:00 - [14] I am just like Ruffio, I fly around a lot to get missions from multiple L4 agents (division : Command) 98% of my missions are kill missions I ask for them while flying either a frigate or an indy I always get the same kill missions, to the point where I can predict which ships will spawn, where and when The ship I use has obviously no impact on the missions I get And I do A LOT of L4 missions, and L3 before Exodus Helen
Delath	Posted - 2005.02.07 14:29:00 - [15] Originally by: Cyber Baron Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Its all in your imagination. Well it's nice to see that my imagination is strong enough to allow me to choose between Courier and Fight mission with success in 90% cases I'm with Cyber Baron here - have been using the exact same lvl 4 duvolle production agent first with brutix and then when I learned to fly it with an iteron V. With brutix I got 60-70% kill-missions and with iteron around 90% freight-missions and I've done (or said no to) 100+ missions in each ship with that agent. Now maybe they tweaked something in between there but it seems suspicious. The other option is that the agent might be giving you more of those missions you fail/say no to - and I had to say no to a lot of killmissions while I can do any freightmission so maybe that influenced the statistics. The connection to ship seems more logical to me but whatever the reason there was a very distinct difference. ------------------------- "Real Men Hull Tank" CCP Hammer
Buraken v2	Posted - 2005.02.07 14:57:00 - [16] Hahaha if you loose a BS and BC to a lvl3 mission, you need to go back to lvl2 missions kiddo. Dont know about ya'll but I solo lvl3 like the back of my hands with my cruisers, you all must be doing something really really wrong (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world domination.
Aeris Cloneshadow	Posted - 2005.02.07 15:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Falbala The agents look at what ships you own, believe it or not. Could you explain how, on my first Lvl 4 mission, with an agent in a station that I'd never seen before, gives me "Elephantine Haul" when I pulled up in an Exequror? Not knocking your theory, and not whining either (the mission was done in 30 minutes) but would just like you to explain how you come by this conclusion.
RedClaws	Posted - 2005.02.07 15:22:00 - [18] with elefantine haul doesn't the agent suggest you invest into a hauler?
Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.07 15:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Buraken v2 Hahaha if you loose a BS and BC to a lvl3 mission, you need to go back to lvl2 missions kiddo. Dont know about ya'll but I solo lvl3 like the back of my hands with my cruisers, you all must be doing something really really wrong Linkage I did go back to L2 mission but figured out I could do L4 missions instead... Still having problems but I think I get how to do this better now . About the ship/missions part it has been discovered because newbies did not get any kill missions while in rookie ship, I think it has somewhat changed but I am 100% sure the agent looks at what ships are in your hangar, if not the one you actually are in.
Cyber Baron	Posted - 2005.02.07 16:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Helen Tiger I am just like Ruffio, I fly around a lot to get missions from multiple L4 agents (division : Command) 98% of my missions are kill missions I ask for them while flying either a frigate or an indy I always get the same kill missions, to the point where I can predict which ships will spawn, where and when The ship I use has obviously no impact on the missions I get And I do A LOT of L4 missions, and L3 before Exodus Helen That I can understand. As I stated before, if you are working with an agent that gives 98% kill mission (Command, Security, Internal Security etc) you get no chance to really influence your agent with the type of ship you have. That's another story with agents that have a wide array of various missions. With those I have 80+% chance to have a hauling mission if I'm in hauler, and 80+% chance to have a kill mission if I'm in BS. And regarding the hundreds, if not thousands of missions I did sofar, I hardly believe it's only a random thing.
Grey Night	Posted - 2005.02.07 17:00:00 - [21] I do level 3 missions in a Ferox and have yet to lose it.. Almost to level 4 :-) Using passive shield tanking I am up to 4000 shields plus and can run in many fights all day without losing sheilds. I run 5 Railguns and 2 Launchers. The key is learn to maxumize with the skills you have. I kill most everything with the rail guns and really hold the launchers for close support. ============================================ Between the light of day and the black of night, there is the Grey....
Dirtball	Posted - 2005.02.07 18:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Papa Smurf There's also a ship-type bias, so if you come to your agent in a battleship, you're more likely to get a kill mission than if you come in an industrial. Linkage 2/23/04 <- Very old thread
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2005.02.07 20:29:00 - [23] Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Papa Smurf There's also a ship-type bias, so if you come to your agent in a battleship, you're more likely to get a kill mission than if you come in an industrial. Linkage 2/23/04 <- Very old thread Im sure that is outdated, and Im quite sure its been stated otherwise that type of ship didnt matter. I have come in a friggin shuttle and got a multiple location hauling job, and other times got "please go out and kill a buttload of bs's" when coming in a industrial. imho it doesnt matter what ship you make use of when asking for a mission. However until some dev say for sure, I guess cant be 100% sure Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Delath	Posted - 2005.02.07 21:06:00 - [24] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Papa Smurf There's also a ship-type bias, so if you come to your agent in a battleship, you're more likely to get a kill mission than if you come in an industrial. Linkage 2/23/04 <- Very old thread Im sure that is outdated, and Im quite sure its been stated otherwise that type of ship didnt matter. I have come in a friggin shuttle and got a multiple location hauling job, and other times got "please go out and kill a buttload of bs's" when coming in a industrial. imho it doesnt matter what ship you make use of when asking for a mission. However until some dev say for sure, I guess cant be 100% sure Of course you get some missions turn the other way then what's expected - but the trend over dozens or even hundreds of missions is very clear. Given that you use an agent from some 50/50 division such as production that is - don't think it matters much if you show up in an iteron at the security division - they're just gonna shrug and send you out to kill battleships with your single laser But as already said - try production and you'll see it pretty fast. ------------------------- "Real Men Hull Tank" CCP Hammer
Goldar	Posted - 2005.02.07 22:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Originally by: Dirtball Originally by: Papa Smurf There's also a ship-type bias, so if you come to your agent in a battleship, you're more likely to get a kill mission than if you come in an industrial. Linkage 2/23/04 <- Very old thread Im sure that is outdated, and Im quite sure its been stated otherwise that type of ship didnt matter. I have come in a friggin shuttle and got a multiple location hauling job, and other times got "please go out and kill a buttload of bs's" when coming in a industrial. imho it doesnt matter what ship you make use of when asking for a mission. However until some dev say for sure, I guess cant be 100% sure I have to agree. I have a level 4 manufacturing division agent i use. Whenever I go to see him, its usually in an apoc. I get a very even spread of courier and kill missions, with the occasional procurement mission thrown in for good measure. I decided to test this supposed feature and gave my apoc to my alt and went and got my trusty iteron. First mission I get is a deadspace mission (declined) second mission is the massive attack mission (accepted). Now i know this is only based on two conversations with my agent, however its not exactly a great start. I'll continue testing this for a bit and see what happens but to be honest I dont expect to come to any conclusion other than that it doesn't make any difference whatsoever which ship you are active in at the time of speaking to your agent.
Sherkaner	Posted - 2005.02.07 22:20:00 - [26] The influence of ship type on mission selection has been removed in Exodus. If you really need a link (and ask nicely), I might dig around for the thread where it was mentioned forum rules \| [email protected]
4 LOM	Posted - 2005.02.08 09:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Sherkaner The influence of ship type on mission selection has been removed in Exodus. If you really need a link (and ask nicely), I might dig around for the thread where it was mentioned ROFL, its funny to see a bunch of people proven wrong. and i am also still laughinhg my ass off about the guy who lost a BS to a level 3 mission rofl you can do this in an interceptor or a cruiser lol... omg how on earth did you loose a bs? too funny. omg still laughing lost a bs to a level 3 mission, everytime someone post saying that they lost one in a level 3 i fall over laughing... sorry its just sad really
Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.08 09:30:00 - [28] Originally by: 4 LOM Originally by: Sherkaner The influence of ship type on mission selection has been removed in Exodus. If you really need a link (and ask nicely), I might dig around for the thread where it was mentioned ROFL, its funny to see a bunch of people proven wrong. and i am also still laughinhg my ass off about the guy who lost a BS to a level 3 mission rofl you can do this in an interceptor or a cruiser lol... omg how on earth did you loose a bs? too funny. omg still laughing lost a bs to a level 3 mission, everytime someone post saying that they lost one in a level 3 i fall over laughing... sorry its just sad really No no, you can laugh at me no problem... selling a Large 'Accomodation' on escrow btw... drop of a L4 mission looted in my Vexor
Falbala	Posted - 2005.02.08 12:41:00 - [29] Edited by: Falbala on 08/02/2005 14:25:44 About the ship I wanted to figure it out and this is what I did: I took a shuttle, went in a belt and got it crashed by npcs. Then I went to the base and boarded a brand new velator. Then I asked the agent for a L4 mission and I got 5 packs of npcs like this: Kill Objective Destroy these targets: Target LocationXXXXX Target #1one Core Executor Target #2six Serpentis Chief Protectors Target #3two Guardian Sentrys Target #4three Guardian Troopers Kill Objective Destroy these targets: Target LocationXXXXX Target #1three Serpentis Chief Sentinels Target #2three Guardian Veterans Target #3four Serpentis Drug Barons Oddly it will be much harder for me since there are frigates in the pack but it seems to me that the ship you have matters yes. Only one BS in this mission... Edit: my mistake more than one BS but still, it seems that ship matters.
TheNecromancer	Posted - 2005.02.08 12:53:00 - [30] I use 5xRavens....use 5 accounts..I jump in..KILL all ..that just move a bit......fires 5x6 Siege launcher (30 torps...not much survives)..collect loot and fly off.... hmm... I could be dreaming lol.... :)

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