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melonboy
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Posted - 2005.02.07 07:08:00 -
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Hmmm what i need is the ultimate covert op ship .. probably the minmatarian missile carrier .. and what i could expect to cope with easily .. also if my attacks in a ceop would be invisible. Can i cloak and attack... ?
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Thomas Torquemada
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Posted - 2005.02.07 07:16:00 -
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You simply do not hunt in a covert ship solo, your just asking to get wasted..... at extreme expense.
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melonboy
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Posted - 2005.02.07 07:21:00 -
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hmmmm . if im invisible im sure i could hop in and out and destroy even a thorax if i maged to scramble them ... one light missiles getting 80 or 90 a hit which is what i get ... and a couple small rails at 8 k 30 -40 a shot
... its just whether i can fire .. scramble and jam whilst cloaked...and a nos perhaps ...
the question is whether i can cloak and fight or whether im visible if i fire
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Sluggers
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Posted - 2005.02.07 07:30:00 -
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No, you cannot fire while being cloaked. When uncloaked you'll be a easytarget, as pointed out above. i reccon covert ops is more used for scouting etc. than actual killing.
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Mira Spellholde
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:06:00 -
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Covert ops are only for scouting, not killing. If you get ganked by a covert ops, feel ashamed :P
One drawback of any cloak is that it extends your lock time (doubles it in some instances) also you have a lock delay, meaning that you cant lock anything for a certain ammount of time after uncloaking.
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SeDSilva
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:20:00 -
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Edited by: SeDSilva on 07/02/2005 09:21:20
Don't listen to these guys mate cov ops is the ultimate
being a cov ops ship means u can always choose ur target etc
no u can't do anything whilst cloaked, but as u can always pick ur target and the situation as long as ur skilled up and have a good setup u'll be alright.
I sometimes cloak my raven with 2 named sensor boosters on i can uncloak kill a cruiser from 20km away before he can align and get away. But this takes away the tank so i have to pick my fights.
Cov ops cloaking device takes even less time to lock mate
fit remote sensor dampners on because if u put multi specs on u'll drain ur cap straight away.
if u need good setups look in the setups forum they have quite a few there mate
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ELECTR0FREAK
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:45:00 -
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 Originally by: SeDSilva
Edited by: SeDSilva on 07/02/2005 09:21:20
Don't listen to these guys mate cov ops is the ultimate
being a cov ops ship means u can always choose ur target etc
no u can't do anything whilst cloaked, but as u can always pick ur target and the situation as long as ur skilled up and have a good setup u'll be alright.
I sometimes cloak my raven with 2 named sensor boosters on i can uncloak kill a cruiser from 20km away before he can align and get away. But this takes away the tank so i have to pick my fights.
Cov ops cloaking device takes even less time to lock mate
fit remote sensor dampners on because if u put multi specs on u'll drain ur cap straight away.
if u need good setups look in the setups forum they have quite a few there mate
I don't believe this. I do a lot of cloaking myself, and I doubt you can gank a ship with an ambush from a cloaking Raven. Even with 2 sensor boosters running, its going to take you around 30 seconds to decloak, align sensors, and lock your target. Even if you're within 20km and ready to scramble, he should be long gone by this point. Even if he decided to stick around, it probably won't be hard for him to outrun your BS and get out of your scramble radius before you manage to destroy him. And lastly, if you don't manage to scramble him, and hes STILL sitting there, as soon as he sees your missiles flying at him hes going to make tracks. Either that, or as soon as he sees you uncloak, hes going to lock you and ECM you, or just get a head start on killing you. There are just way too many holes in this tactic of yours.
Smaller ships are more feasible in this tactic, but still not great at it. At least they aren't hurt as bad by the scan resolution penalty as the larger ships because they lock so fast to begin with. However, you still need to wait out that 20 or so seconds after decloaking before you can fire, which gives the enemy ample time to begin their escape or get a head start on attacking you.
Covert ops ships aren't designed for hunting. They're valuable for scouting, but their high cost makes them a very cost-inefficient ECM ship. ECM ships are usually quick to be targeted in a fleet engagement, and replacing that CO device isn't cheap. The only reason a Covert Ops ship will carry ECM is so that it can break an enemy's lock long enough for it to cloak and escape. Its an espionage tool, not a combat ship.
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Hunt Smacker
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Posted - 2005.02.07 09:54:00 -
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You need a gang for this kind of thing. Scout the belt while cloaked, carefully check your overview and use the tactical overlay so you don't accidently trip over a bannana skin. Get into a position behind your prey, and then your gang mate warps in on top of him. The rest is up to them, depending on how knowledgable they are. Great against miners, or targets slowly moving.
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Killash Larz
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Posted - 2005.02.07 10:19:00 -
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So what you want is a ship that can fire whilst invisible thus making you impossible to defend against?
Get in the queue mate! 
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SeDSilva
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:02:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK
mate i thought the same as u did but i tried it anyway u know for fun and it just worked he he.
u kinda need to get them just as they warp in so that there not ready for u.
try it mate - oh and it took 8 seconds to lock him after i had uncloaked if i recall - but not certain
will do it again and post here exact results for u all to ponder over.
i want to try and have bait like a frig that as tackler setup to hold them down whilst i uncloak - anyone done this yet?
cloaking is something that everyone should try and play with - i mean its just a game and it can be sooo much fun i have found.
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melonboy
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:05:00 -
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hmm what about warp gates and cloaking in a covert op ...
with my sec level; at -3.5 could i get through a 0.0 .. rather than having to auto pilot low sectors
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SeDSilva
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Posted - 2005.02.07 11:06:00 -
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u need to be uncloaked to jump and if u go within 2km fromthe gate u'll be uncloaked anyway
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Eviljohn
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Posted - 2005.02.07 18:30:00 -
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i use a co frig alot u can fit them to kill frigs with race jamming but they do work best as a mobile bookmark ,
scout finds target get 15 km on the other side of him then a fighting ship gang warps to him, they can be fitted with uber short range guns like blasters and use close range warp jammers and webber and there going know where.
i use a scorp with 3 close range warp jammers webber shield tank 1 neutron 4 launchers and a smart bomb for the pod kill who says u cant pirate
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Attrezzo Pox
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Posted - 2005.02.07 19:00:00 -
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ELECTR0FREAK It's been done many many times. works real nice for indies, you let the scout through and then gank the indie at a chokepoint somehwere. another common tactic was to set up a tackler or two at a gate and have MANY bs cloaked and ready to fire on an enemy. They jump in and they're scramed if they can't take out the tacklers first total havoc ensues and a slaughter is had.
and about the gate thing, there's actually some bug where you won't uncloak 2km from the gate. It's not a very useful bug but it's true.
If you're going to hunt and try to use cloaking use it on a battleship as with the raven idea it's pretty effective. And another thing. if you activate a module and then cloak that module will continue being activated until it starts it's next cycle, so if you have an MWD on you'll have a short boost of speed and you can be cloaked as well until the MWD trys to re-activate. |
SeDSilva
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Posted - 2005.02.08 09:30:00 -
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Thanks Attrezzo i'm glad i'm not the only one who thinks cloaking a raven is cool with the right setup. 
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Weiden
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Posted - 2005.02.08 13:06:00 -
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If you know what you are going to fight you can easily win..
I took a rupture down in my buzzard, solo. (with dampers)
So the covert ops frigs work great because you can catch any emeny by suprise.
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Chith
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Posted - 2005.02.08 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: melonboy
hmm what about warp gates and cloaking in a covert op ...
with my sec level; at -3.5 could i get through a 0.0 .. rather than having to auto pilot low sectors
Couldn't quite parse that, but if you're talking about cloaking in empire it won't work. If you are being chased by cops for any reason, be it sec status or agg flags, you cannot cloak.
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Gravedancer
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Posted - 2005.02.08 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: melonboy
hmmmm . if im invisible im sure i could hop in and out and destroy even a thorax if i maged to scramble them ... one light missiles getting 80 or 90 a hit which is what i get ... and a couple small rails at 8 k 30 -40 a shot
... its just whether i can fire .. scramble and jam whilst cloaked...and a nos perhaps ...
the question is whether i can cloak and fight or whether im visible if i fire
You cannot activate any modules or weapons while cloaked. IF you have the covert ops cloaking device on the covert ops ship, you can warp while cloaked. Other than that, the covert ops is just a relatively fragile frigate. Youd definately not want to take on a thorax in one, though if you knew what you were doing you could******other frigates easily enough in a 1 on 1.
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2005.02.08 17:52:00 -
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A covert ops ship alone is just about useless, but a covert ops ship and a battleship or two can be beyond deadly. All you are is a flying bookmark.
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Soren
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Posted - 2005.02.08 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: Boonaki
A covert ops ship alone is just about useless, but a covert ops ship and a battleship or two can be beyond deadly. All you are is a flying bookmark.
agreed 
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Fistie
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Posted - 2005.02.08 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK
I don't believe this.
you're obviously overlooking the 'what colour is the sky' method. You sit behind them cloaked, ask a question like the above one and pwn them while theyre trying to figure it out ¼¼
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Sesman
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Posted - 2005.02.09 21:10:00 -
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well i love my cloaking XXXXX
even had a few ganks with it ;)
cloaking is the next best thing after Reactor control II ¦s
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