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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.02.09 01:05:00 -
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See the mistakes in the north were simple ones.
A.) People were to stubborn about controling space and self rule.
B.) NORAD,FU,CoD and PA were lead by politicians and miners/manufacturers and thus did not understand how pvpers think. BoB,FOE and The Imperium share a common bond and thats they love what they do and trust those willing to help and fight with and for them. So when NCA left GNW and left BoB and PA to "Kill eachother off" they made a mistake because for fighters war does not rip us apart,on the contrary it forces us to band together stronger then befor. BoB and The Imperium didn't kill NCA,it was NCA who killed themselves,many times myself and a handful of others who realised this during the war thought that the only true way to win was to band NCA into one large alliance and use the PvPers we did have (BNC,LOD and the various ones scattered throughout CoD) as our fleet to train the rest and bring some unity to the area and set up an outstanding system of supplies for Pvpers.
I mean lets jump back to last july,lets say this had been pulled off. That would mean THEMM,VNTR and FU's old Russian corp would be under the same banner, Themm had the best mining op organisation in the game,
The Russians literally had every bpo in game and VNTR has some of the best manufacturers. With all the equipment produced they could have kept a fleet of any concievable size more the sufficently supplied.
So Unicor,CoD,FU and NORAD would have feilded a sizeable well supplied and battle hardened fleet being made up of,BNC,EV,MLM,LOD,VNTR,EXODUS and Cho Arrim and I am sure we could of gotten RKK into the fold.
But NO ONE, wanted to give in or budge on the subjects of consolidating resources into one massive alliance,this crippled our war efforts against PA in the war and effectively spelled our doom after the war.
CA on the other hand is a different story. I can not speak of this subject since I flat out just don't know or care really.
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benwallace
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Posted - 2005.02.09 01:14:00 -
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 Originally by: Cuebick
Durka durka, allah jihad.
This means more small revolutiongroups and more wars.
That's 8*3125, oh my god that's.... that's 25000!!!
dude I take offense to you using allah jihad so freely allah is my god aight don't be running around saying allah jihad
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.02.09 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: AvanCade on 09/02/2005 09:18:36
delete function gone ?
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Woodbine
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Posted - 2005.02.09 09:11:00 -
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Quote:
dude I take offense to you using allah jihad so freely allah is my god aight don't be running around saying allah jihad
This my friend is a game... Do not think that real life has any influence in this area.... please.....
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.02.09 10:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nifel on 09/02/2005 10:17:47
Originally by: benwallace
Originally by: Cuebick
Durka durka, allah jihad.
This means more small revolutiongroups and more wars.
That's 8*3125, oh my god that's.... that's 25000!!!
dude I take offense to you using allah jihad so freely allah is my god aight don't be running around saying allah jihad
I think it's well within the limits of what should be considered free speech (although these forums appears to have a tighter leash). Besides... doesn't that say something about islam that so many know the word for holy war in arabic but not peace?
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Rift Scorn on 09/02/2005 14:13:37
Originally by: dollface
Edited by: dollface on 08/02/2005 08:45:12
Originally by: DB Preacher
Whether people agree with me or not, it is firmly my opinion that people looked at BoB, saw what could be done and are emulating our success.
Having a bunch of self-funded corps with no need for saturday night meetings and whiny carebears and contains players who just want to go and actually have *fun* playing this game but are completely and utterly dedicated to a goal was always going to be a breath of fresh air.
The only rules in this game are the ones we make.
dbp
So now BOB has monopoly on *FUN* in the game, and every corp that chooses to just be themselfs are 'emulating' bob? Do you have patent on the 'we are pvp'ing but we are not in an alliance' expression, and do all the corps that stand on their own, have to pay bob some kind of royalty fee?
Doll i think you just got the wrong end of the stick.
Although i can't comment on stuff other what i've read on the forums, CA fell from internal politics, ergo it was the formal Alliance meetings, agenda's, bored meetings (see what i did with my spelling of bored there  ), etc, etc that, at least, in part led to it dis-banding. And it's these types of politics that led to many, including my own corp when we have entered formal alliances' that have caused internal stir and by the sounds of what Inkz said, his corp as well.
With the shackles of such formal alliance either thrown off (if you want to get all Marxist about it), or just not there in the first place you have non of this cr4p to deal with amking a much smoother, slick, fun experience for all involved, i.e Kr0m have been in an 'alliance' with DeathRow Inc., and Nemesis for sometime now, if we see a corp as blue due to our standings and DIE & -NM- don't, then DIE & -NM- shoot them, and we don't, and vice versa. No one gets funny about it, no 'you should/shouldn't shoot them because our alliance likes them' BS, because we're 3 seperate corps with common goals! We don't have 'carebear/PvE' elements of our corps/alliance which stream lines things a lot more, we all do seperate corp operations, and we pull together as a combined force when needed. It's much more 'fun' and agreeable way to play, and makes things a LOT less prone to internal conflicts, etc, etc than a formal alliance could ever be.
I don't think everyone as you say is trying to emulate BoB, but there is no denying that when everyone was creaming their pants about this new 'Alliance' option in Exodus, those with foresight saw it as a constraint, and not an advantage. Inkz has said, that in a round about way, he gives props to BoB for this, and i'll have to say the same as well, it's not that everyones trying to emulate, rather they saw it as a more refreshing constraint free way to play. 
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Calderio
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:40:00 -
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ive played the game for some time, ive listened to the wise men, ive read the forums with a grain of salt. the time of reconing is upon us all repent for your sins repent
for the prophecy of damella macaper is upon us
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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:48:00 -
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hmmmmmmm .... i must stop hiring crazey people
/me fluffles Calderio
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Nifel
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: Calderio
ive played the game for some time, ive listened to the wise men, ive read the forums with a grain of salt. the time of reconing is upon us all repent for your sins repent
for the prophecy of damella macaper is upon us
"the appetite of nothing expands over the world" <-- That just gotta be all the PVP corps ripping up alliances now ;p.
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Calderio
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nifel
"the appetite of nothing expands over the world" <-- That just gotta be all the PVP corps ripping up alliances now ;p.
i actually believe this to be the expansion of all the pod pilots into 0.0 and the formation of pod pilot allainces and empire. as we are nothing more than mortal men we are considered to be nothing.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:16:00 -
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DBP, please, it was OC and OTC and what we did to SA during the end of Gemini/beginning of Castor that YOU are emulating.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:29:00 -
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Cheers kayo, that brought a smile to my face.
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:30:00 -
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Well, at least you're having fun :/ I'm rather bored atm... |
DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:33:00 -
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hauling minerals ftw...
dbp
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
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Morela
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Posted - 2005.02.09 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Morela on 09/02/2005 18:34:31
Originally by: DB Preacher
Whether people agree with me or not, it is firmly my opinion that people looked at BoB, saw what could be done and are emulating our success.
Having a bunch of self-funded corps with no need for saturday night meetings and whiny carebears and contains players who just want to go and actually have *fun* playing this game but are completely and utterly dedicated to a goal was always going to be a breath of fresh air.
The only rules in this game are the ones we make.
dbp
Ok, lets be honest.. You're idea of a fun game isn't everyone elses. This game is not 100% pvp, if it was we would all respawn in ships every time we die fully loaded with our pre-selected loadouts..
Bob loves pvp.. That's fun for you, and you're very good at it. I myself have lot of fun fighting (even when I watch myself get blown up) But it bothers the crap outta me that people seem to have the idea that if you're not a full time pvper that you don't even deserve to be playing this game. Some people like the political side of this game, others like to build organizations and such. There's nothing friggin wrong with that. :)
I wonder what bob will do when there's nothing left to destroy?
BTW - BOB's done more to re-write the map (at least in the north) then the patch ever did.. :)
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.02.09 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Morela I wonder what bob will do when there's nothing left to destroy?[/quote
Start shooting each other?
/me targets DB
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Morela
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Posted - 2005.02.09 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Morela I wonder what bob will do when there's nothing left to destroy?[/quote
Start shooting each other?
/me targets DB
hahahahahaha..
You could sell tickets for that me-thinks :)
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Hughesy
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Posted - 2005.02.09 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: siim
Your friend smokes ***** ?
p e n i s????
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CKOZUK
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Posted - 2005.02.09 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: CKOZUK on 09/02/2005 19:44:45
edit i really should read threads throughly before posting 
The above text is my own views which may not represent my corps views.
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tehsuxOr
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Posted - 2005.02.10 02:12:00 -
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i just want to kill people
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Grim
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Posted - 2005.02.10 02:49:00 -
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I wouldnt call imperium small or a fractional pvp alliance.
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Grim
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Posted - 2005.02.10 02:49:00 -
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Edited by: Grim on 10/02/2005 02:49:05
wtf everytime i post it double post*edited*
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Cuebick
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Posted - 2005.02.10 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: benwallace
Originally by: Cuebick
Durka durka, allah jihad.
This means more small revolutiongroups and more wars.
That's 8*3125, oh my god that's.... that's 25000!!!
dude I take offense to you using allah jihad so freely allah is my god aight don't be running around saying allah jihad
Sorry, got a little too excited with Team America: World Police
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:46:00 -
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Why massive regional alliances are dying and smaller ones popping up in place:
1. People realized they didn't need 40 corps on their side to mine in one system.
2. People *finally* realized defending space is a joke, and the harder you try, the bigger a target you become for people like BoB.
3. Blobs of pvpers > blobs of carebears.
4. Politics are a pointless web of lies and scheming, and at some point you really stop giving a damn and start shooting anyone who looks at you funny.
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Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:54:00 -
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And that DC, is how the cookie crumbles ;)
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:08:00 -
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and I can official state that being a diplomat today is a complete and utter b|tch! Now...I need everyone to team up for god sake and make the eve map look pretty and ordered.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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UnrulyEvil
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Posted - 2005.02.10 16:13:00 -
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NORAD.... it's just sad SAD I TELL YA!!! ahahahahah paying and playing on the test server. ahahahahahah what a bunch of testers.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2005.02.10 19:05:00 -
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BoB to me stands for Brand of Bland, nothing worth emulating, they're the visigoths of EVE.
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Dukath
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Posted - 2005.02.10 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Guderian
Even though your friend might be right, I dont think the end of the great alliances can be contributed to EXODUS and what it brought into the game. I think it was merely a coincidence that it was now all hell broke loose.
I know CA didn't split up because of disputes over POS's or anything EXODUS added to EVE. CA split up because of internal player politics, not because of game mechanisms. If FA falls, it wont be because of some EXODUS feature, but because they managed to make alot of enemies, at a time where everybody were busy fighting the big and bad CA. And when CA wasn't no more, alot of PVP power were releashed, that previously had been tied up in one of, if not the longest and biggest war in EVE's history. Add to that, that now the focus point of everybodys anger and hate had gone, people had to concentrate on something else.
I kindq have some doubts here, not on your statement that it wasn't EXODUS but the fact that it wasn't caused by game mechanics. I believe most alliances fail because of internal struggles that are cause by game mechanics. It is impossible to 'control' an area and defend it. The pvpers can't prevent the carebears being attacked and the carebears can't or won't support the pvpers since they still get attacked and think the pvpers arent protecting them enough. Both carebears and pvpers get frustrated by this and start blaming each other.
But the main problem are the design problems of the game making it impossible to control territory. As long as this isn't fixed alliances will keep failing.
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Isonkon Serikain
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Posted - 2005.02.11 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: AvanCade
I like it the way it is now. No big alliances mean less bull**** and more talk about what really is going on. Big alliances always seem to make a big fuzz about a small thing. While in a small alliance, or simply just corporation a decision can easily be made. And ofcourse there are less parties to advise on a decision.
Splinter groups all tha way.
Really? Yeah I agree... FIX sized alliances are the in thing atm... Thats why everybody wants a piece of us.
But now I wonder, if you feel big alliances are such a drag, why on earth are you trying to join SE? That goes against this post of yours... Or maybe, you are going to "splinter" Stain, Curse Alliance stylee?
I would wager that you figured you could use the leverage and protection of a big alliance right about now to carry on with your schemes. Stain is starting to look more and more like Curse, and act like it as well... I'd really hate for Shinra to be part of 'another' big alliance collapse...Perhaps we should have a chat.
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