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Lady Elura	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:11:00 - [1] Hey folks, I just got done training for my T2 Blasters to fit out my Brutix... I was hoping for solid DPS after following one of the higher rated fits over at BC (linked below). The damage wasn't fantastic, the cap drained out no time at all and the ship I duelled with tore me apart in a matter of seconds. I spent 2 weeks training for the Blasters... Have I just set myself up for epic fail? I'm wanting to be competitive in solo pvp but I don't want to use a cookie cutter build. Any suggestions from other Brutix pilots? Should I scrap the Brutix and train for the Drake after all? Advice very welcome!!
Baulath	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:32:00 - [2] Edited by: Baulath on 15/04/2011 00:32:13 http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/48310-2x-rep-brutix.html I tried this awhile back, was ok.
Renarla	Posted - 2011.04.15 00:37:00 - [3] The biggest problem with the Brutix is that it's a Brutix. With my skills, 42k EHP 844 DPS [Brutix, Brutix] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x5
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2011.04.15 04:08:00 - [4] you didnt link your fit and the 4xmfs shield fit is dumb.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.04.15 04:44:00 - [5] Just make sure that you can commit to close-range combat and force your targets to do the same and you should be fine. Web, scram, MWD. Generally, blasters are hard to use in PvP because people will realize what you're doing on approach and get the hell out of the way. So good luck with that. --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.15 09:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Lady Spank you didnt link your fit and the 4xmfs shield fit is dumb. Explain rather than troll tbh -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
McRoll Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.04.15 09:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Renarla The biggest problem with the Brutix is that it's a Brutix. With my skills, 42k EHP 844 DPS [Brutix, Brutix] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x5 Dumb,because: - too much stacking penalty with 4th mgfs, a tracking enhancer would be much more useful - alternatively a reactor control unit in order to not use 3 powergrid rigs - 3 ancillary current routers is fail. If it doesnt work with RCU, downgrade the guns 1 tier maybe - huge em/therm hole in shield tank. Try to put em/therm shield rigs there instead of ANCR's
Keitaro Baka Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project	Posted - 2011.04.15 09:55:00 - [8] I don't like 4x MFS and then 3x ACR rigs, I prefer something like this: [Brutix, Mixed Grill] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 You could replace the PDS with a RCU and then go full neutron, but it only gives you 25 more dps (with void) and the PDS helps a little with your buffer and your cap. 900 dps from a tier 1 BC, sure only at 5km, but for the price and while still having about 53.5k EHP, fun addition to your shield gang. Brutix is probably not too great for the solo pvp the op is looking for though Ignore me Drone Guide EON 21 & 22
Lady Elura	Posted - 2011.04.15 10:18:00 - [9] Sorry I forgot to post my current build, here it is! Damage Control II Medium Armour Repair II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilzer II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Booster II 10MN MicroWarpDrive II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Heavy Electron Blaster II Medium Nosferatu II I've made some changes, the double web I read might help me get into DPS range. I dropped the scrambler because at this stage if I'm solo pvping and they get away? I'm considering it a win! LOL
Baulath	Posted - 2011.04.15 10:21:00 - [10] My main question I guess is, did I just waste two weeks training blasters? Or can I make them work some where effectively? Can someone suggest a way for me to better my fit, or even another Blaster boat of about the same price range. I can't afford to lose more than a BC.
Millie Clode Amarr Insert Cool Name Here	Posted - 2011.04.15 10:29:00 - [11] Blasters are fine, they just happen to be less user-friendly than autocannons or lazors. You really have to give up on any hopes of being able to disengage if the fight goes wrong, and usually gallente ships aren't the fastest. This usually means you'll either get kited or blobbed unless you are really careful with your target selection. ---------- Who, me?
Duchess Starbuckington	Posted - 2011.04.15 11:36:00 - [12] Quote: Blasters are fine, they just happen to be largely inferior than autocannons or lazors. Fixed. _________________________________ ROCKET STATUS: FIX IN PROGRESS...
NoNah	Posted - 2011.04.15 11:43:00 - [13] [Brutix, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Pretty much only way I'd fly a brutix these days, or possibly by slimming down the cost even further IE resistance rigs, meta shield extenders, t1 invuln etc and just use them as really really disposable gank bc's. The only thing a brutix has going for it is the facemelting dps at immobile targets at pointblank range, and even that isn't that good. Parrots, commence! Postcount: 43843
Lady Elura	Posted - 2011.04.15 11:53:00 - [14] Should I forget the Brutix then? Can I use the blaster skills else where? Or do I just need to forget blasters totally? Any other blaster ships which would do better?
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous	Posted - 2011.04.15 12:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Lady Elura I just need to forget blasters totally Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Rouge Drone	Posted - 2011.04.15 14:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Lady Elura Blasters have issues but they aren't nearly as unusable as a lot of forum warriors think especially in small gang / solo situation. It's not really a soloer's game at the moment though unless you have a falcon alt or t3 links. The kind of fitting used would need to alter dramatically depending on what kind of space you plan to fight in too. Range is only an issue in gangs of 7+ or so but tracking can be ugly. The shield extender fittings tend to suck ass outside of gangs because without a web you wont be able to track any afterburner frig which decides to orbit you. You can go single extender with resist rigs to fit more tackle but then the inability to repair outside of combat can become an issue. You'd have a hard time locking people without a sensor booster, a hard time pointing people without a 20k, get killed by anyone with ecm drones without an eccm and risk getting kited by mwd users without a scrambler. You're definitely going to have to find a compromise that you're personally happy with in the mids. Dropping a turret on a turret dps ship is a big no no and I wouldn't worry about cap too much on a single rep. With the way the brutix flies either you or your opponent (usually you) will be dead long before cap becomes an issue. For drones you should go for valkyries or vespas if you want to use mediums. Hammerheads are ass and choosing them to maximize your eft dps is a sign of inexperience. It may be worth considering going with 5 warriors and 5 light ecm drones instead. You wont be using all your bandwidth but it'll help a lot against hard to track frigs and open up extra options. I tweaked your fit a little and came up with this but I'd recommend flying it t1 and unrigged until you know what you're doing. It will make those solo losses sting a lot less too. Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Sensor Booster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Hybrid Metastasis Adjuster I Hope that helps and sorry if my post is too much of a novel.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.15 14:10:00 - [17] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Lady Elura I just need to forget blasters totally ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
NoLimit Soldier	Posted - 2011.04.15 14:10:00 - [18] Yea blasters suck, that is why the taranis/ishkur/daredevil/harpy all bow to my kestrel
Diomidis Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.04.15 15:08:00 - [19] Originally by: NoNah [Brutix, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Magnetic Field Stabilizer I Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Large Shield Extender II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 Pretty much only way I'd fly a brutix these days, or possibly by slimming down the cost even further IE resistance rigs, meta shield extenders, t1 invuln etc and just use them as really really disposable gank bc's. The only thing a brutix has going for it is the facemelting dps at immobile targets at pointblank range, and even that isn't that good. Solid setup in theory, severe cap problems in practice...
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2011.04.15 15:47:00 - [20] Blasters are not really a solo weapon system. They require point blank range and that means warping in on top of your target as on the whole Gallente ships are too slow to chase down something thats trying to avoid you. The alternative is being part of a group, where it's harder to avoid a bunch of people at the same time, or the group has someone fast dedicated to running down the targets and holding them till the slower boats can catch up. Once a blaster boat gets into range, they do very respectable damage, but compared to other weapon systems, whilst higher, its marginal at best (widely believed to be inadiquate) to make up for the damage debt you will incur closing on the target (assuming you catch it). This again, brings you back to needing to drop right on top of them (and so needing a scout to get you a warp in), and even then you have to pray they're not web and scram fit (where as you must be), is if they ar theres a high chance that under mutual scram & web they'll pull away from you mitigating most of your damage quite quickly and ultimately either kiting and killing you or escaping. However, in the spirit of not being a defeatest. here some of my thoughts on a solo brutix. For once, you will want to use the active rep bonus. Active reps work in solo/dualing fights, but not really anywhere else. ECM drones are your friend. Their chance of jamming is low, but they check that chance often, therefore statistcally, you have a better chance of a jam than you might think (better in larger groups, but solo they are your only chance of bugging out if things turn against you. Pack light drones for smaller ships. [Brutix] Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I Medium Nanobot Accelerator I Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 You're playing solo pvp on hard mode, but this might just work if you pick your fights carefully -------------------------------------------- SF Recruiting
demonfurbie Minmatar Drunken Wookies BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2011.04.15 16:00:00 - [21] this works really well if you can get a close warp in ... how ever its a total glass cannon but works well on adding dps to things like tackled carriers [Brutix, glass] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Scrambler II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hammerhead II x5 make sure ya have some null and void
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.04.15 16:26:00 - [22] I fly a brutix plenty, and I think it works fine as a DPS platform. The Shield buffer setups can do amazing damage, especially with a tackler you can warp to, or a confined area like fighting on the undock or gate. The triple magstab single armor rep setups are fine too in low sec station camps where you want to be able to rep a bit while you are waiting out your GCC. Also since you fit a cap booster on this sort of fit you shouldn't have cap problems and have a bit of protection against neuts. It isn't a ship (even with MWD) for catching missioners 40km from their mission gate. That isn't the Brutix's role, anytime you get a blaster ship and approach from range you are setting yourself up for failure. This is Gallente, you have to play with that in mind, each race requires different tactics, and with gallente those tactics are usually all about getting in range. Talk to a stabber/vagabond pilot sometime, you will see they have the exact opposite problem, they need to have all their battles start outside of warp scram range. Also one fitting tip, you don't have to use neutron blasters, in fact if you don't have AWU V I wouldn't bother with them at all, the damage increase isn't that much compared to the fitting increase, at least in my opinion.
Grimpak Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.04.15 16:41:00 - [23] Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Yea blasters suck, that is why the taranis/ishkur/daredevil/harpy all bow to my kestrel correction: M and L blasters suck compared to every other gun in the same size category. --- Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals. ain't that right.
Rouge Drone	Posted - 2011.04.15 16:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: NoLimit Soldier Yea blasters suck, that is why the taranis/ishkur/daredevil/harpy all bow to my kestrel correction: M and L blasters suck compared to every other gun in the same size category. Doesn't mean we can't make do though. People were using underpowered projectiles for years.
captain skinback	Posted - 2011.04.15 17:02:00 - [25] the brutix is a decent rookie ship. its a good damage boat when you have trained cruisers up but dont have the skills or isk to fly a battleship. the biggest downside is that they are pretty easy. but if i saw you in a fleet i would be glad that im not flying with another drake.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.15 17:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Blasters are not really a solo weapon system. Actually they are, they are just pretty bad at it since the web nerf 2.5 years ago. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Max Payne	Posted - 2011.04.15 17:23:00 - [27] Originally by: Rouge Drone Doesn't mean we can't make do though. People were using underpowered projectiles for years. Projectiles have always had other things going on for them - like for instance no cap shooting , low fitting requirements, different damage types. Also have you looked at projectile ship slot layout , they a fitter's dream- armor, shield, speed - versatile.
Ming Tao Caldari Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:10:00 - [28] Edited by: Ming Tao on 15/04/2011 20:11:01 I would say get a Myrm but dont know how good your drone skills are and Myrms are better fitted with Auto Cannons tbh. Also dont know how good your shields skills are, and although the Shield Gank Brutix fits here are ver nice it wouldnt do you much good. You have 2 options. Train up your shield skills or train up for a Megathron/Hyperion which are better as Blaster/armor tanks.
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors	Posted - 2011.04.15 20:39:00 - [29] Edited by: ShahFluffers on 15/04/2011 20:42:53 Originally by: Lady Elura Should I forget the Brutix then? Can I use the blaster skills else where? Or do I just need to forget blasters totally? Any other blaster ships which would do better? Honestly, I'd go with the Myrmidon. In a 'shield-blaster' setup (which is very similar to the 'shield-blaster' Brutix setups here) it can hit out quite far with Null ammo, has a better tank, and can use drones to greatly supplement its DPS. Plus the Myrm is more flexible when it comes to what guns you can use (as it doesn't get a bonus any specific gun). So if/when you train up another weapon system you can replace the blasters. _______________________ "Just because I seem like an idiot doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Jaik7	Posted - 2011.04.15 21:41:00 - [30] my only close experience with a brutix is when two of them failed to kill my stationary drake in the time it took my blasterokh buddy to kill one of them. they made my shield alarm scream, though. the only time that's ever happened to my drake is when three domis with sentries, a vagabond, and an absolution decided i was primary.

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