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Mary Chocolat
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:05:00 -
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Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:18:00 -
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My opinion is anecdotal but I'd say go with Nvidia. Ati cards seem to have more whining attached to them. That being said, from my experiences, ATI cards have given me less trouble than Nvidia cards. Of course in my time in Eve (since Beta) I've had 1 ATI card and maybe a dozen Nvidia cards.
(Yeah, not too helpful but, alas, without hard Customer Service data - can't be.)
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Adrie Atticus
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:27:00 -
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Instead of staying here and watching the flamewar about which is better, just go with the one you want to. Both give the same performance in their pricegroups with EVE and just because nVidia paid a few bucks to advertise on EVE videos doesn't mean that nVidia would be any better than AMD for EVE.
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Mary Chocolat
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:39:00 -
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Adrie I didnt pretend to start flame wars
I know graphics are not the best part of EVE. However I enjoy the backgrounds, and ship textures are not bad at all.
What I wanted to know is if performance (aka fps rate) is somehow affected by having PhysX or not.
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Althea Agathon
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:44:00 -
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If you want to use Linux in the near future, get an Nvidia card. The ATI linux drivers are laughable. If not, get whichever you want.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:49:00 -
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ATI/AMD works great for me currently and should do for the future as it does not make good business sence to screw over customers with one manufacturer over another. That being said, there is a weird graphics glitch with amarr stargates 
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Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:56:00 -
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Quick answer is along the lines o:
CPU is Intel, AMD GPU is hell
CPU is AMD, AMD GPU is swell
 Originally by: Althea Agathon
If you want to use Linux in the near future, get an Nvidia card. The ATI linux drivers are laughable. If not, get whichever you want.
Don't mean to drag a very practical question thread into a ****ing war, but ATI (doesn't exist anymore, it's AMD) have never had decent drivers *period*. if you're nit using the DMA 3rd party drivers, you're 10~15% underspeed.
Ask me privately for my real thoughts.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:07:00 -
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Ati have always made good cards just as they have always had the worst Driver/Software support known to mankind.........
The current drivers have issues the previous drivers had issues I have two 5850's on crossfire you get a nasty bug with crossfire disable one card you get another bug which is being discussed on their own forums..
Bottom line go with Nvidia I will be going back to them and this is the very last ATI card I buy.
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Hathrul
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:09:00 -
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i would recommend going with nvidia. Even though i prefer ATI at this point simply because they give more power for the money you spend, CCP seem to work closely with nvidia on various technologies already in game and to be put in (watch the fanfest video's, you see what i mean). so if its purely a decision based on eve, go with ccp and get nvidia.
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:19:00 -
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I don't know. Maybe look at CCP's oldish facebook contest where you like CCP and like Nvidia to get some 'uber' gaming system with an EVE design printed on the side of the case. That might 'just' give you a clue. Or not. Depends on how smart you are.
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Kaahles
Deliverers of Pain
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:28:00 -
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I just had to buy a new computer recently and choosing the graphics card I was most comfortable with (price / performance and quality whise) was a real adventure to be honest. Indiana Jones can suck it! Anyhow what I came down with was the following:
AMD usually gives to the best bang/buck but the difference towards Nvidia isn't that big anymore.
Nvidia is for the user that's a bit more... how should I put it... "ambitious" (read: you want all the little extras like physx and stuff, slightly better support for GPU rendering of videos, slightly better AF filters and good drivers on linux and windows)
So the difference is usually in a lot of small things. Also (more interesting on the desktop front I guess) ATI comes with a bit more video RAM compared to the direct competitors of Nvidia but in most cases 1 - 1,5 gigs should suffice for now.
Long story short it's up to you to figure out what you want. I personally went with Nvidia because I hate bad drivers and use linux as well as windows plus my computer also serves as a media center so I wanted the better sound processing and GPU video acceleration.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Chocolat
Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
ATi are fine, just take a look around, get in to cyber's and ask what they think.
Using GC's for my job and play all I can say is that I want something that works, something I can push to the limits (without OC) and never know she's there (shut down, driver recovery, artefacts, fan noise like a truck in your bureau etc).
Now between the two I don't care the one that will give me gazillions of pixels billions of frames/sec it's just stupid.
But I do care about the one that will probably last long and have drivers that work properly, of course the image quality is important but for that if you don't trust the leader (nVidia) then no body can do something for you.
The thing is that ATi and CCC is roll back drivers and hours of head aches at each of their patch, I've never saw a single one working properly, on top of the price tag, image quality meh for a top product, she didn't survived to the 2011 Eve's version. 
nVidia all you must know is that if you ever install beta drivers or non certified ones you take risks. If you don't do this and use your GC normally (not OC more than manufacturer eh), the chances you know what the word "graphic issues" means are close to 0.
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Originally by: Goose99
In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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Hired Assasin
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:01:00 -
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ill say one thing, im never getting ATI again.
it has compatibility issues with games (even rarly with eve i get stretched polygons across the screen)
nearly all games i play are designed just for nvidia, the only game i can think off the top of my head that was made for ATI was stalker pripyat. while there are hundreds of games made for Nvidia, with Nvidia and ATI you get what you payed for.
if i still had my 9600 256mb GT i would take out my 5870 1GB and use it instead.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:08:00 -
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ATI or NV both give the same problems. seen driver problems in both NV and ATI cards, and lately, NV has been releasing drivers less regularly than ATI btw.
and is EVE an nvdia game? it will be in the future if you want to make use out of the PhysX functionality of incarna.
there is also the roundabout method where you can grab a 8800GT, some hacked drivers and use it as a physx processor for your ATI card.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
ATI or NV both give the same problems. seen driver problems in both NV and ATI cards, and lately, NV has been releasing drivers less regularly than ATI btw.
and is EVE an nvdia game? it will be in the future if you want to make use out of the PhysX functionality of incarna.
there is also the roundabout method where you can grab a 8800GT, some hacked drivers and use it as a physx processor for your ATI card.
The chances you get any trouble with certified WHQL nVidia drivers are close to 0, but doesn't means you'll never have.
If you do, they will mostly be related to:
-Over clocked stuff (really over)
-End of life stuff - yeah even graphic cards die eh, so the one you have since 10 years maybe it's time to change it.
-Electric connexions issues
-Unsupported graphic programs (old cards have limits to what they can handle)
-Corrupted drivers file -check your .NET framework version, firewall, AV setup's
-You never clean the dust in your PC -you can shoot yourself
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Originally by: Goose99
In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.
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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
Gallente
Bacno Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:31:00 -
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Nvidia's PhysX CPU fallback is purposely crippled with old decrepit code, google it.
So I would only recomend an Nvidia card for """Future EVE""" and I wouldnt be surprised to see the "NVIDIA: The Way It's Meant to be PlayedÖ" to make appearance in the next expansion.
They have one of the most aggressive Proprietary software tie-in teams thats ever existed.
I can taste the tears this will cause already. 
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Chocolat
Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
CCP and nVidia are in a very close development relationship.
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 16/04/2011 12:46:00
Yes, EVE is a nvidia-game, if it isn't now it will be after incarna. Sure, you can simulate PhysX on the CPU, but its not as good or fast (its nvidia politics to cripple it on purpose).
I myself run an AMD Card (HD6850) because i want a singlecard-3monitor setup (not possible with nvidia) so i spare myself trouble with multi-card setups (its always a problem with SLI or Crossfire, avoid it if you can).
To live with AMD means doing the following: search for a driver that works (even an older one), and then NEVER EVER change driver if you don't HAVE TO to run something. Thats it. New AMD drivers don't always mean better performance, once you understand that you can be a happy user.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet
Originally by: Grimpak
ATI or NV both give the same problems. seen driver problems in both NV and ATI cards, and lately, NV has been releasing drivers less regularly than ATI btw.
and is EVE an nvdia game? it will be in the future if you want to make use out of the PhysX functionality of incarna.
there is also the roundabout method where you can grab a 8800GT, some hacked drivers and use it as a physx processor for your ATI card.
The chances you get any trouble with certified WHQL nVidia drivers are close to 0, but doesn't means you'll never have.
If you do, they will mostly be related to:
-Over clocked stuff (really over)
-End of life stuff - yeah even graphic cards die eh, so the one you have since 10 years maybe it's time to change it.
-Electric connexions issues
-Unsupported graphic programs (old cards have limits to what they can handle)
-Corrupted drivers file -check your .NET framework version, firewall, AV setup's
-You never clean the dust in your PC -you can shoot yourself
I've seen NV drivers crapping out for the sake of crapping out.
really, no brand is trouble-free. Personally I've seen more problems with NV than ATI.
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Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:12:00 -
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I have been running a pair of AHI HD5770 for over a well over a year now (crossfire) and have had zero problems with any games.
I have been using ATI cards for many many years now and again I have had zero problems.
Some people will swear by ATI, others will swear by Nvidia and the rest couldn't give a crap.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Kobol
I have been running a pair of AHI HD5770 for over a well over a year now (crossfire) and have had zero problems with any games.
I have been using ATI cards for many many years now and again I have had zero problems.
Some people will swear by ATI, others will swear by Nvidia and the rest couldn't give a crap.
oh really? you dont need special profiles for games no? you don't have microstutters no? maybe you are just immune to them. i'm not.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
oh really? you dont need special profiles for games no? you don't have microstutters no? maybe you are just immune to them. i'm not.
What? lol.
You must play alot of weird games, I've never once been forced to make a special profile for games. 
Anywho, I has a q. I currently use ATI drivers and I do agree they are horrible. I have heard from the internet about omega drivers. Anyone use those, are they vastly superior to the ATI drivers and do they give you any grief?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:31:00 -
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Use to use a 8800gt oc...no problems. Now use a 5850 oc.... no problems. (With eve) Lets just say eve isn't the pinnacle of graphical effects, and wont be pushing the limits. (Ok carbon can...but then again I saw it use vastly more CPU than GPU power)
Really as it did for me when I needed a better card I just weighed price v. performance (and who offered more deals) and came to my conclusion.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:21:00 -
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Well considering how closely CCP work with nVidia, you'd have to choose the NV card.
I mean the performance between AMD/NV is so close today in real-world applications tghat you won't notice a difference for most games, however EVE is certainly optimised to run on nVidia cards. Has been since the trinity graphics update.
I'm currently getting 220fps with GTX470's in SLI, running EVE beyond maximum settings via driver tweaks, can't complain about that performance for cards that cost me <$400 for the pair
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Frank Battaglia
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:56:00 -
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I think ATI does a better job, I used nvida and could never get the bloom and the HDR to work right, but the ATI works great tho. I use at the moment a ATI HD 5770.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
Hahaha wat
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:07:00 -
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I never had to bake any of my ATi cards in an oven.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Flamewave
I never had to bake any of my ATi cards in an oven.
^ rofl.
I've been an owner of both makes over the years, with multiple different cards. I havn't seen much of any extra performance from PhysX in any realworld (non-benchmark) situations over the years, so couldn't care less really. The character creator hair seems pretty magic on my new Ati 6950 atm as well, so I have no worries.
CCP are hardly going to release Incarna (CQ & Establishments) *without any* cloth simulation if users have ATi cards; and neither can I see them releasing it causing top-of-the-range DX11 ATi cards, or crossfired ATi cards to run at max 5fps.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
Hahaha wat
The 2GB of effective videomemory which is the most you can get from an ATI card isn't enough if you play at a high resolution with everything maxed.
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Rooster007
Midnight Elites
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:32:00 -
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NVidia 260M Cuda 1Gig card here...And I wouldnt trade it for Ati go with NVidia
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