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Mary Chocolat
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:05:00 -
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Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:18:00 -
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My opinion is anecdotal but I'd say go with Nvidia. Ati cards seem to have more whining attached to them. That being said, from my experiences, ATI cards have given me less trouble than Nvidia cards. Of course in my time in Eve (since Beta) I've had 1 ATI card and maybe a dozen Nvidia cards.
(Yeah, not too helpful but, alas, without hard Customer Service data - can't be.)
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:27:00 -
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Instead of staying here and watching the flamewar about which is better, just go with the one you want to. Both give the same performance in their pricegroups with EVE and just because nVidia paid a few bucks to advertise on EVE videos doesn't mean that nVidia would be any better than AMD for EVE.
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Mary Chocolat
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:39:00 -
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Adrie I didnt pretend to start flame wars
I know graphics are not the best part of EVE. However I enjoy the backgrounds, and ship textures are not bad at all.
What I wanted to know is if performance (aka fps rate) is somehow affected by having PhysX or not.
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Althea Agathon
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:44:00 -
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If you want to use Linux in the near future, get an Nvidia card. The ATI linux drivers are laughable. If not, get whichever you want.
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Ticarus Hellbrandt
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:49:00 -
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ATI/AMD works great for me currently and should do for the future as it does not make good business sence to screw over customers with one manufacturer over another. That being said, there is a weird graphics glitch with amarr stargates 
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Spurty
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VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.16 10:56:00 -
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Quick answer is along the lines o:
CPU is Intel, AMD GPU is hell
CPU is AMD, AMD GPU is swell
 Originally by: Althea Agathon
If you want to use Linux in the near future, get an Nvidia card. The ATI linux drivers are laughable. If not, get whichever you want.
Don't mean to drag a very practical question thread into a ****ing war, but ATI (doesn't exist anymore, it's AMD) have never had decent drivers *period*. if you're nit using the DMA 3rd party drivers, you're 10~15% underspeed.
Ask me privately for my real thoughts.
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GavTheMighty
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:07:00 -
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Ati have always made good cards just as they have always had the worst Driver/Software support known to mankind.........
The current drivers have issues the previous drivers had issues I have two 5850's on crossfire you get a nasty bug with crossfire disable one card you get another bug which is being discussed on their own forums..
Bottom line go with Nvidia I will be going back to them and this is the very last ATI card I buy.
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Hathrul
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:09:00 -
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i would recommend going with nvidia. Even though i prefer ATI at this point simply because they give more power for the money you spend, CCP seem to work closely with nvidia on various technologies already in game and to be put in (watch the fanfest video's, you see what i mean). so if its purely a decision based on eve, go with ccp and get nvidia.
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Echo Mae
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:19:00 -
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I don't know. Maybe look at CCP's oldish facebook contest where you like CCP and like Nvidia to get some 'uber' gaming system with an EVE design printed on the side of the case. That might 'just' give you a clue. Or not. Depends on how smart you are.
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Kaahles
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:28:00 -
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I just had to buy a new computer recently and choosing the graphics card I was most comfortable with (price / performance and quality whise) was a real adventure to be honest. Indiana Jones can suck it! Anyhow what I came down with was the following:
AMD usually gives to the best bang/buck but the difference towards Nvidia isn't that big anymore.
Nvidia is for the user that's a bit more... how should I put it... "ambitious" (read: you want all the little extras like physx and stuff, slightly better support for GPU rendering of videos, slightly better AF filters and good drivers on linux and windows)
So the difference is usually in a lot of small things. Also (more interesting on the desktop front I guess) ATI comes with a bit more video RAM compared to the direct competitors of Nvidia but in most cases 1 - 1,5 gigs should suffice for now.
Long story short it's up to you to figure out what you want. I personally went with Nvidia because I hate bad drivers and use linux as well as windows plus my computer also serves as a media center so I wanted the better sound processing and GPU video acceleration.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.16 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Chocolat
Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
ATi are fine, just take a look around, get in to cyber's and ask what they think.
Using GC's for my job and play all I can say is that I want something that works, something I can push to the limits (without OC) and never know she's there (shut down, driver recovery, artefacts, fan noise like a truck in your bureau etc).
Now between the two I don't care the one that will give me gazillions of pixels billions of frames/sec it's just stupid.
But I do care about the one that will probably last long and have drivers that work properly, of course the image quality is important but for that if you don't trust the leader (nVidia) then no body can do something for you.
The thing is that ATi and CCC is roll back drivers and hours of head aches at each of their patch, I've never saw a single one working properly, on top of the price tag, image quality meh for a top product, she didn't survived to the 2011 Eve's version. 
nVidia all you must know is that if you ever install beta drivers or non certified ones you take risks. If you don't do this and use your GC normally (not OC more than manufacturer eh), the chances you know what the word "graphic issues" means are close to 0.
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Hired Assasin
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:01:00 -
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ill say one thing, im never getting ATI again.
it has compatibility issues with games (even rarly with eve i get stretched polygons across the screen)
nearly all games i play are designed just for nvidia, the only game i can think off the top of my head that was made for ATI was stalker pripyat. while there are hundreds of games made for Nvidia, with Nvidia and ATI you get what you payed for.
if i still had my 9600 256mb GT i would take out my 5870 1GB and use it instead.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:08:00 -
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ATI or NV both give the same problems. seen driver problems in both NV and ATI cards, and lately, NV has been releasing drivers less regularly than ATI btw.
and is EVE an nvdia game? it will be in the future if you want to make use out of the PhysX functionality of incarna.
there is also the roundabout method where you can grab a 8800GT, some hacked drivers and use it as a physx processor for your ATI card.
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Swynet
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak
ATI or NV both give the same problems. seen driver problems in both NV and ATI cards, and lately, NV has been releasing drivers less regularly than ATI btw.
and is EVE an nvdia game? it will be in the future if you want to make use out of the PhysX functionality of incarna.
there is also the roundabout method where you can grab a 8800GT, some hacked drivers and use it as a physx processor for your ATI card.
The chances you get any trouble with certified WHQL nVidia drivers are close to 0, but doesn't means you'll never have.
If you do, they will mostly be related to:
-Over clocked stuff (really over)
-End of life stuff - yeah even graphic cards die eh, so the one you have since 10 years maybe it's time to change it.
-Electric connexions issues
-Unsupported graphic programs (old cards have limits to what they can handle)
-Corrupted drivers file -check your .NET framework version, firewall, AV setup's
-You never clean the dust in your PC -you can shoot yourself
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Bacno Ltd.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:31:00 -
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Nvidia's PhysX CPU fallback is purposely crippled with old decrepit code, google it.
So I would only recomend an Nvidia card for """Future EVE""" and I wouldnt be surprised to see the "NVIDIA: The Way It's Meant to be PlayedÖ" to make appearance in the next expansion.
They have one of the most aggressive Proprietary software tie-in teams thats ever existed.
I can taste the tears this will cause already. 
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Chocolat
Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
CCP and nVidia are in a very close development relationship.
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.16 12:45:00 -
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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 16/04/2011 12:46:00
Yes, EVE is a nvidia-game, if it isn't now it will be after incarna. Sure, you can simulate PhysX on the CPU, but its not as good or fast (its nvidia politics to cripple it on purpose).
I myself run an AMD Card (HD6850) because i want a singlecard-3monitor setup (not possible with nvidia) so i spare myself trouble with multi-card setups (its always a problem with SLI or Crossfire, avoid it if you can).
To live with AMD means doing the following: search for a driver that works (even an older one), and then NEVER EVER change driver if you don't HAVE TO to run something. Thats it. New AMD drivers don't always mean better performance, once you understand that you can be a happy user.
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Grimpak
Gallente
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Swynet
Originally by: Grimpak
ATI or NV both give the same problems. seen driver problems in both NV and ATI cards, and lately, NV has been releasing drivers less regularly than ATI btw.
and is EVE an nvdia game? it will be in the future if you want to make use out of the PhysX functionality of incarna.
there is also the roundabout method where you can grab a 8800GT, some hacked drivers and use it as a physx processor for your ATI card.
The chances you get any trouble with certified WHQL nVidia drivers are close to 0, but doesn't means you'll never have.
If you do, they will mostly be related to:
-Over clocked stuff (really over)
-End of life stuff - yeah even graphic cards die eh, so the one you have since 10 years maybe it's time to change it.
-Electric connexions issues
-Unsupported graphic programs (old cards have limits to what they can handle)
-Corrupted drivers file -check your .NET framework version, firewall, AV setup's
-You never clean the dust in your PC -you can shoot yourself
I've seen NV drivers crapping out for the sake of crapping out.
really, no brand is trouble-free. Personally I've seen more problems with NV than ATI.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:12:00 -
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I have been running a pair of AHI HD5770 for over a well over a year now (crossfire) and have had zero problems with any games.
I have been using ATI cards for many many years now and again I have had zero problems.
Some people will swear by ATI, others will swear by Nvidia and the rest couldn't give a crap.
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Gwenywell Shumuku
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Prince Kobol
I have been running a pair of AHI HD5770 for over a well over a year now (crossfire) and have had zero problems with any games.
I have been using ATI cards for many many years now and again I have had zero problems.
Some people will swear by ATI, others will swear by Nvidia and the rest couldn't give a crap.
oh really? you dont need special profiles for games no? you don't have microstutters no? maybe you are just immune to them. i'm not.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari
Point of No Return
Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
oh really? you dont need special profiles for games no? you don't have microstutters no? maybe you are just immune to them. i'm not.
What? lol.
You must play alot of weird games, I've never once been forced to make a special profile for games. 
Anywho, I has a q. I currently use ATI drivers and I do agree they are horrible. I have heard from the internet about omega drivers. Anyone use those, are they vastly superior to the ATI drivers and do they give you any grief?
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:31:00 -
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Use to use a 8800gt oc...no problems. Now use a 5850 oc.... no problems. (With eve) Lets just say eve isn't the pinnacle of graphical effects, and wont be pushing the limits. (Ok carbon can...but then again I saw it use vastly more CPU than GPU power)
Really as it did for me when I needed a better card I just weighed price v. performance (and who offered more deals) and came to my conclusion.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:21:00 -
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Well considering how closely CCP work with nVidia, you'd have to choose the NV card.
I mean the performance between AMD/NV is so close today in real-world applications tghat you won't notice a difference for most games, however EVE is certainly optimised to run on nVidia cards. Has been since the trinity graphics update.
I'm currently getting 220fps with GTX470's in SLI, running EVE beyond maximum settings via driver tweaks, can't complain about that performance for cards that cost me <$400 for the pair
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Posted - 2011.04.16 15:56:00 -
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I think ATI does a better job, I used nvida and could never get the bloom and the HDR to work right, but the ATI works great tho. I use at the moment a ATI HD 5770.
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Zofran
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
Hahaha wat
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:07:00 -
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I never had to bake any of my ATi cards in an oven.
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Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Flamewave
I never had to bake any of my ATi cards in an oven.
^ rofl.
I've been an owner of both makes over the years, with multiple different cards. I havn't seen much of any extra performance from PhysX in any realworld (non-benchmark) situations over the years, so couldn't care less really. The character creator hair seems pretty magic on my new Ati 6950 atm as well, so I have no worries.
CCP are hardly going to release Incarna (CQ & Establishments) *without any* cloth simulation if users have ATi cards; and neither can I see them releasing it causing top-of-the-range DX11 ATi cards, or crossfired ATi cards to run at max 5fps.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Zofran
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
Hahaha wat
The 2GB of effective videomemory which is the most you can get from an ATI card isn't enough if you play at a high resolution with everything maxed.
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Rooster007
Midnight Elites
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:32:00 -
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NVidia 260M Cuda 1Gig card here...And I wouldnt trade it for Ati go with NVidia
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:50:00 -
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I have almost always been an Nvidia fan. That being said my new Nvidia GTX 460 is giving me problems. Its more than likely not the cards fault since the rest of my system is bottlenecking my performance big time. Currently EVE is the only game I am getting graphics glitches on though =(
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Larry Foulke
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Mary Chocolat
Hi all
I'm about to purchase a new gaming laptop and actually the main game im playing is EVE.
I am wondering if the new graphics system and further expansions aka WiS will be very PhysX dependent or I will be able to play decently on an AMD/ATI card, because these are often better in terms of quality/price
any lights on this?
You will have no trouble playing WiS on an ATI card with cloth simulation enabled.
WiS uses Nvidia's APEX cloth simulation shenanigans, its a subset of PhysX. The first game to use it was Mafia II. I've played Mafia II on an ATI card with apex on maximum, the simulation of clothing was buttery smooth, with no noticeable performance hit walking around near other characters.
Mafia II will quickly fall apart on an ATI card with PhysX enabled if physically simulated smoke and debris and all that other crap gets in the scene, but a scene with just cloth simulation is completely smooth.
This is exactly the kind of physics workload you can expect from Incarna: cloth simulation - and nothing more. Even if this somehow overwhelms the processor, the cloth simulation can be disabled from the settings menu.
It's very unlikely CCP will implement any other Nvidia specific "features" anytime soon, much less ones that would punish anyone without an nvidia card.
So you probably shouldn't make it a factor in deciding what gpu to get.
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Bad Kitty Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:05:00 -
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I used to run ATI cards, but switched to Nvidia a couple years ago for a multitude of reasons.
The biggest thing you'll run into with AMD/ATI is worse driver support than even Creative. Nvidia and the companies that sell their chipsets tend to have much better tech support.
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Intergalactic Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lykouleon
I used to run ATI cards, but switched to Nvidia a couple years ago for a multitude of reasons.
The biggest thing you'll run into with AMD/ATI is worse driver support than even Creative. Nvidia and the companies that sell their chipsets tend to have much better tech support.
Sorry, I can't let you get away with that scaremongering. Creative drivers have on more than one occation killed my windows installations, and many more people besides me have had similar problems (the dark Audigy days ofc, but also pre-audigy). ATi drivers, although sometimes a little "fruity" (at worst) just give some artifacting in shadows etc until the next driver release when they fix/optimize for said problem.
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Ten Bulls
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:32:00 -
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TLDR; NVIDIA now, AMD later.
The thing you get with AMD cards, that you will _never_ get with NVIDIA, is the promise of good open source drivers _one_day_.
That is, AMD release the details of how their cards work so third party drivers can be written (eg. for Linux), NVIDIA will never ever do that.
When i say _one_day_, there has been efforts going on for a few years to translate AMD's open specs into good open source drivers, i believe they are still a long way away. Last i heard that internally AMD where working on open source drivers for new cards, but i could be wrong.
AMD seem to understand that they sell hardware, their business follows a manufacturing model. NVIDIA still arent mature enough to know themselves, they are still trying to be a software company which necessitates a service model of operation (rather than a manufacturing model).
AMD's long term plan of tighter integration between GPU and CPU is something NVIDIA and intel wont give you.
I concede to the NVIDIA fanbois this round, but its not over !
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Zofran
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
I moved from ATI to nVidia a month ago for that simple reason (and they had cards with more framebuffer).
Hahaha wat
The 2GB of effective videomemory which is the most you can get from an ATI card isn't enough if you play at a high resolution with everything maxed.
Lol...Your screenshot shows used memory as 2982 MB. This means you're running in SLI since a single GTX580 has 1536 MB of gddr. At a price range of about mehhhh 400 euro's a piece you've got for 800+ euro's of gfx cards in your system. That'll give you your precious 3 GB of gddr..
On the other hand we have the AMD HD6950 with 2 GB on one card, at a price range of around 225 euro's a piece. I'll leave you to add those 2 numbers and draw the conclusion of which provides more bang for buck.....
ALso to the OP and some random dude somewhere in the thread: Just because nVidia spends a megaton of cash on "promotional co-development" doesn't mean AMD cards will run horrible. nVidia just makes sure that by paying off developers to only optimise for nVidia cards that some performances are less optimal with an AMD card. Don't let that scare you though. It'll work just fine either way. Goes for EvE or any other game. With an AMD card you just have to bite through the bad taste of nVidia influences in the optimalization processes. Those eventually get fixed though, and sooner than CCP soon.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:30:00 -
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your a bit ****in stupid if you think your ATI is better than NVIDIA
Ever see ATI at fansfest? no. why? because ATI only produce their items to make a bit of cash, nvidia develop, push the boundries, communicate, update their drivers.
More expensive? Slower? NO! A Slower Nvidia card is faster in real-time actualy experience.
10 years ago maybe, but this is 2011, just grow up will you. You spend more on beer and subsprition than you do on the price difference.
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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:38:00 -
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both nVidia and ATI make powerful cards, however ATI's drivers are absolute **** terrible.
If you want game compatibility problems with every other driver release, go with ATI. Otherwise, nvidia is a solid choice.
Thats not to say that nvidia has been immune to driver bugs. its just that nvidia's driver problems have been far, FAR fewer then ATI's.
Every time ATI releases a new driver there are hordes of people flooding into the Steam Support channels asking why their games dont work anymore.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:48:00 -
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On a scale of 0 to 100, 100 being most the NVIDIA-oriented game to date, 0 being the most ATI/AND-oriented game to date, and 50 being perfectly neutral...
...I would say EVE scores about a 55 or thereabouts.
So, yes, you get an ever so slight advantage with NVIDIA cards, but not radical enough to justify NOT buying an ATI/AMD card of similar overall capabilities.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:56:00 -
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So many fanboys in this thread. Basically it all comes down to this:
Originally by: Larry Foulke
You will have no trouble playing WiS on an ATI card with cloth simulation enabled.
Should PhysX 3.0 ever be released, it will run approx. 2x faster in AMD systems than now since it should finally use the SSE instruction set and allow multi-threaded processing on the CPU. The x87 instructions are suboptimal relics, but nVidia's bosses have promised these changes soonÖ.
nVidia has a much larger software development division than AMD has allocated to their graphics division, and as such they are able to offer assistance to various game developers. This is why no one has seen AMD "in bed" with any AAA developers since Valve and their Source engine back in the early 2000's.
Hardware-wise, nVidia dropped the ball with Fermi (to my amusement), but the top-of-the-line AMD and nVidia cards are now within 1-2% of each other in a multitude of benchmarks.
nVidia has also recently decided to license SLI to AMD, which means it will be available on the next chipset, the 900-series, which is an AM3+ Bulldozer platform.
I'm a proud owner of an AMD-nVidia system and will probably continue to use components from both companies in my setups.
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Freyya
Advanced Planetary Exports
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Posted - 2011.04.17 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Snowman
your a bit ****in stupid if you think your ATI is better than NVIDIA
Ever see ATI at fansfest? no. why? because ATI only produce their items to make a bit of cash, nvidia develop, push the boundries, communicate, update their drivers.
More expensive? Slower? NO! A Slower Nvidia card is faster in real-time actualy experience.
10 years ago maybe, but this is 2011, just grow up will you. You spend more on beer and subsprition than you do on the price difference.
Preacher, follow your own advice. Just grow up will you?
You don't see ATI (AMD now btw) at fanfest because CCP works with nVidia...duhh
nVidia develop, yes.
nVidia push the boundries? Not really since AMD was first with full DX11 support and you had to wait 0.75 year on an nVidia that did. Next to that they've been late with everything and made new graphics cards with the same chip several times over. So much for pushing the boundries of "old" architecture. There's one thing they push aswell, your power bill
nVidia communicates? What exactly? I don't really keep up with communiques of either side...I do know only AMD communicates to 3rd parties regarding driver source code so people can develop better ones.
nVidia updates their drivers? Sure...AMD does it alot more though, just so you know...
More expensive, overall yes. Slower, no not really.
Facts here, not fanboyism. It's all google searchable.
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Cindy Marco
Minmatar
The Warp Rats
Apotheosis of Virtue
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Posted - 2011.04.17 00:36:00 -
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I've always had far less problems with ATI then Nvidia. But honestly with both companies you will occasionally have some type of issue eventually.
If you want to have the longest life out of a video card I would look more at the shader versions more than other things. A high end card will still be running new games until it simply doesn't support new shaders.
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Posted - 2011.04.17 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Embrace My Hate
I have almost always been an Nvidia fan. That being said my new Nvidia GTX 460 is giving me problems. Its more than likely not the cards fault since the rest of my system is bottlenecking my performance big time. Currently EVE is the only game I am getting graphics glitches on though =(
I too have the 460 gtx and I always put on my seat belt before playing.Everything boosted to high an runs like a charm.Have tried a few other new games and same there.
+1 from me anyday. cheap and fast
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Zarutha
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.04.17 08:00:00 -
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I run two computers simultaneously, each multiple monitors. One with ati and the other with nvidia. The Nvidia on looks great, and is best with 1 account per monitor. The ati one allows me to easily stretch out 1 account over several monitors if I wanted to. This is a beautiful thing. The only problem with ATI is occasionally the suns in eve blink like strobe lights. It can be distracting at times. The eye affinity though is total win. My ati card tends to be run hotter than Nvidia.
Hope this helps.
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Cyzlak
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Posted - 2011.04.17 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Adrie Atticus
If graphics is what you're looking in EVE, then I suggest you look elsewhere.
Oh okay that can't be you talking out yo @ss at all, no sir not at all. I mean, EVE has the best graphics of any MMO- hell, of ANY game on the market right now and you gonna come in here saying hey yo the graphics aint flash. Are you kiddin me nucka? Best you take a seat before you give yourself a headache over there
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Iden Secundus
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Posted - 2011.04.17 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
On a scale of 0 to 100, 100 being most the NVIDIA-oriented game to date, 0 being the most ATI/AND-oriented game to date, and 50 being perfectly neutral...
...I would say EVE scores about a 55 or thereabouts.
Unfortunatly not true since we have the (useless) character generation:
- Laptop NVIDIA: Win7; Q720; GT330M; mostly running smooth (1920x1080)
- Desktop ATI: Vista; E8400+ATI5830; no smoth anymore since incursion 1.4 (1600x1200)
In the normal gameplay I got some more texture errors at ATI in the past years; but non of the problems was blocking
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Karbowiak
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Posted - 2011.04.17 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Karbowiak on 17/04/2011 11:39:17
You are all ******ed..
Only difference with the WiS **** is that the physics stuff will run smoother on nVidia, cause CCP is a bunch of ****ing ******ed ****s, that can't figure out how to use HAVOK's physics engine.
Why will it run smoother on nVidia cards? simple, physx is limited by nVidia to only work on nVidia cards. Not that it wont work on ATi, oh it will - but nVidia just decided that physx should be nvidia proprietary.
Ofc CCP went with that - instead of utilizing true open platforms that work for all gamers.
But thats what you can expect from the bunch of ****** developers at CCP. Failure failure and more failure 
TL;DR:
If you want WiS to be smoother with the physics rendering, go nVidia
If you don't care but want a card that runs cooler, uses less power, costs less and performs the same as a comparable nVidia card - go AMD/ATi
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Posted - 2011.04.17 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Adrie Atticus
Edited by: Adrie Atticus on 16/04/2011 10:28:16
Instead of staying here and watching the flamewar about which is better, just go with the one you want to. Both give the same performance in their pricegroups with EVE and just because nVidia paid a few bucks to advertise on EVE videos doesn't mean that nVidia would be any better than AMD for EVE.
About being PhysX "dependent", that's not the case. PhysX is supported and utilized but youdon't need it to run any part of the game differently. If graphics is what you're looking in EVE, then I suggest you look elsewhere.
>If graphics is what you're looking in EVE, then I suggest you look elsewhere.
>If graphics is what you're looking in EVE, then I suggest you look elsewhere.
>If graphics is what you're looking in EVE, then I suggest you look elsewhere.
This is stupid on so many levels.
I suggest you go die in a fire!
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Amberlamps
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Posted - 2011.04.17 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mrs Snowman
your a bit ****in stupid if you think your ATI is better than NVIDIA
Ever see ATI at fansfest? no. why? because ATI only produce their items to make a bit of cash, nvidia develop, push the boundries, communicate, update their drivers.
More expensive? Slower? NO! A Slower Nvidia card is faster in real-time actualy experience.
10 years ago maybe, but this is 2011, just grow up will you. You spend more on beer and subsprition than you do on the price difference.
Lolwut?
Perhaps nVidia have contributed to CCP's wallet, no?
Some may say ATI of pushing the price boundary by bringing you a great product for a great price, where as nVidia seem to enjoy selling a great product for the deposit of a house.
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Illwill Bill
Nifelhem
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Posted - 2011.04.17 12:42:00 -
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Well, nVidia still make desktop chipsets, don't they? Why not get one of those boards, stick an ATI card in the PCE-e slot, and then use the onboard chip for PhysX?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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