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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
103
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:39:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:So you messed up and you expect CCP to drop everything and reply to you in minutes after you made a petition. A petition none the less to allow you free time that you where already given so you can activate a plex that you didn't even really pay for. Ok.
Yes I messed up.
I do not expect CCP to drop everything and reply within minutes, but 48 hours....I think it's acceptable to want a response.
I really did pay for that plex, In fact I paid for 2 of them with ISK.
CCP Guard - no worries, I do appreciate you trying to help out. I just think It's the small things like not reading posts properly leading to incorrect advice being given that could be brushed up on from CCP as a whole.
Thank you for responding anyway :)
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
593
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:45:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:It also appears that CCP Guard needs a hobby for when hes not at work. Weightlifting. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Matthew97
PsyCorp En Garde
30
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:48:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:
Yes I messed up.
I do not expect CCP to drop everything and reply within minutes, but 48 hours....I think it's acceptable to want a response.
I really did pay for that plex, In fact I paid for 2 of them with ISK.
CCP Guard - no worries, I do appreciate you trying to help out. I just think It's the small things like not reading posts properly leading to incorrect advice being given that could be brushed up on from CCP as a whole.
Thank you for responding anyway :)
I think any reply given within a 5 day waiting time-frame is considered "good" by the GM team, I've had to wait 1 week for a petition to be answer, and even then they didn't even read it and I had to send ANOTHER message to them as they closed it and wait another 2 days for a real reply. |

TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
103
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Posted - 2012.09.01 15:52:00 -
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I think about it this way lets say you got a 5 man team and they sort petitions out...
Those guys work 8 hours a day..that's daily work hours of 40 and obviously 200 hours per working week.
I personally feel waiting 5 days is beyond ludicrous for a simple response to a petition.
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Jonah Gravenstein
1065
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:05:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:It also appears that CCP Guard needs a hobby for when hes not at work.
He obviously spends his free time trolling MMO forums, he just forgot that he actually works for this one. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |

Brooks Puuntai
Nomadic Asylum Still Censored
691
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:10:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:I think about it this way lets say you got a 5 man team and they sort petitions out...
Those guys work 8 hours a day..that's daily work hours of 40 and obviously 200 hours per working week.
I personally feel waiting 5 days is beyond ludicrous for a simple response to a petition.
It depends on how many petitions they get. It shouldn't be a shocking that you aren't the only petition they receive. You are 1 of probably 1000s they get.
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
894

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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:16:00 -
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I just moved your petition to the correct category, which should shave off some time (I still cannot resolve it as that would mean allowing you to jump the queue, which would be unfair to the rest of those waiting for help).
On the whole, billing issues are usually taken care of a lot quicker then most other issues, however they still take up some time. At the moment our queue is in a reasonably healthy condition (the total number of petitions waiting for a GM reply at the moment is 1110; our red line threshold is 1500) and we are slowly getting it down further, especially considering we have been beating down on a queue that had risen to around 6000 - 8000 during the height of summer.
In this particular case timing was simply very unfortunate. People are just starting to return from their vacations (we always have minimal staff over summer as that is the period that everyone in Iceland has their summer leave) and staffing over the weekend is always lower as well. Traditionally any petitions filed on a Friday have the slowest turnaround as queue size starts rising from Friday through the weekend. While we are almost at the petition turnover rate we want to be at we are not yet there and the traditional Friday petition may still suffer from some delay, despite good queue health.
Currently there are 117 petitions awaiting an answer in our Billing queue (compared to 666 in Game Play and 45 in Technical), the rest is spread across a whole bunch of specialized queues. Most petitions should be attended to relatively quickly (except escalated cases, which almost always require a lot of work and time to investigate, and certain cases involving botting and similar offenses).
Edit: To put that into perspective, creation rates are around 875 - 1000 petitions per day at the moment (that usually rises to around 1500 after an expansion or big patch after 3 or 4 days with rates between 1500-3000 per day). Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
103
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:17:00 -
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Brooks Puuntai wrote:It depends on how many petitions they get. It shouldn't be a shocking that you aren't the only petition they receive. You are 1 of probably 1000s they get.
Totally agreed !! +1
However before I began working for myself I worked in a call center [rock on] for customer services on rental cars. Now we had in the region of 2500 incoming emails. 5 people worked on those emails and in a weekend we cleared them all.
After that weekend the very most that were allowed to stay there as a form of backlog was 200.
This is why I cannot conceive the petition times here.
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
894

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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:23:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:It depends on how many petitions they get. It shouldn't be a shocking that you aren't the only petition they receive. You are 1 of probably 1000s they get. Totally agreed !! +1 However before I began working for myself I worked in a call center [rock on] for customer services on rental cars. Now we had in the region of 2500 incoming emails. 5 people worked on those emails and in a weekend we cleared them all. After that weekend the very most that were allowed to stay there as a form of backlog was 200. This is why I cannot conceive the petition times here.
That is almost 32 cases per person per hour. On average a GM for EVE can handle between 7-10 replies per hour and on average it takes 1.5 replies per petition to close it. Seniors often drop to as little as 2-3 per hour and they work on cases that vastly exceed the 1.5 replies per petition. On top of that every GM (on average) spends 30% of their time on projects other then answering petitions.
Edit: Correcting a number after looking it up. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
103
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:25:00 -
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I understand your busy and again thank you for replying.
However what I do not understand is the moving of my petition to the correct queue.
I do believe I used the account suspended queue.
:S |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
521
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:27:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:To put that into perspective, creation rates are around 875 - 1000 petitions per day at the moment (that usually rises to around 1500 after an expansion or big patch after 3 or 4 days with rates between 1500-3000 per day). Yeah so be grateful it doesn't take till next expansion to get a response, I salute our noble game masters and customer support for undertaking a task that must seem a bit Sisyphus-like at times. o7 "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
894

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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:29:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:I understand your busy and again thank you for replying.
However what I do not understand is the moving of my petition to the correct queue.
I do believe I used the account suspended queue.
:S
This was not a mistake you made. We have simply observed that people using the 'hours for PLEX' feature tend to file petitions under the PLEX category and thus we have weighted that category to reflect that these easy cases usually end up there. In practice this means that a GM with a little bit of random time on their hands often gets in there and quickly resolves those easy cases. I made sure your petition can be found quickly should such an occasion arise. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
894

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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:31:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:To put that into perspective, creation rates are around 875 - 1000 petitions per day at the moment (that usually rises to around 1500 after an expansion or big patch after 3 or 4 days with rates between 1500-3000 per day). Yeah so be grateful it doesn't take till next expansion to get a response, I salute our noble game masters and customer support for undertaking a task that must seem a bit Sisyphus-like at times. o7
I prefer Herculean. At least that offers the positive illusion that we are heroes toiling to accomplish great works instead of sinners condemned to fruitless toiling in a recurring hell. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Matthew97
PsyCorp En Garde
30
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:42:00 -
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Maybe it would be worth releasing these statistics on the support page so people can get a rough idea of how busy you are?
Maybe something that says like "You are Number X in Queue of Y"?
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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
103
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Posted - 2012.09.01 16:47:00 -
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Matthew97 wrote:Maybe it would be worth releasing these statistics on the support page so people can get a rough idea of how busy you are? Maybe something that says like "You are Number X in Queue of Y"?
That would actually more than likely stop all the bitching about petitions altogether.
Surely it wouldn't be hard to implement?
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Cede Forster
39
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:01:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Damn dude, you really ARE a douce 
I would call that a person who screws up "Hour for Plex" and then goes and complains at GD because CS does not fix their screw up fast enough.
Some humility would certainly be in order, after all you are asking here CS to clean something up that you messed up completely on your own.
Don't get me wrong, this should be fixed, but calling out CS on GD seems a bit ... much |

Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
319
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:02:00 -
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ONE THOSAND PATITIONS AND I AM LAST OF ALL!!!
THIS IS OUTRAEGE. I DEMAND FULL SERVIXE BECAUS I AM PAY 15 DOLLAH IN A MONTH TO PLAY. I AM ALSO MOAR IMPOTANT AS OTHER PLAYA. CPP KILLED MY RIGTER SHIP AND I WANT REIMBURSE BCAUSE I NOT KNOW WHY I CANNOZ WIN A IN FIGHT VS CONCORD AHIP
giving some perspective in then forums every now and then is cool. always giving absolute numbers is not. I after all, I this is still the Internet |

Selinate
981
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:07:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Hopefully they will get to you sooner than later. But really, I am a paying customer too and I also want my issues to go before others in the queue... And while yours may take seconds to sort out, how will they know? Not like they would screen the queue every time to see if a newer quicker one has jumped in while finishing the last one.
But hopefully you will get activated soon, and nice of you to help out your gang as well, at the same time there it would have taken you seconds to accept and apply the plex as well, just as it would take them seconds to fix for you.
Best of luck, hope it works out.
/c
First time I think I've ever seen chribba do an impression of a GD troll. |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:47:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:
Billing petitions are placed in a priority category because they're often from people unable to play, but they inevitably involve a little waiting still since they're handled in the order we receive them.
You should get a reply from the billing GMs soon.
I really wonder if a triage system would improve customer care significantly. Just taking next one in the queue gives you no opportunity to knock out a 100 simple things in a short period of time. Is it really better to satisfy the one 2 day investigation type problem first rather than improve customer satisfaction 100% overall?
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:It also appears that CCP Guard needs a hobby for when hes not at work. Weightlifting.
Stretching...
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Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
105
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:05:00 -
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TriadSte wrote: My dumb ass fault, my problem.
Ok, so its admittedly your fault.... and you title the thread "Customer Service Sucks". There has to be at least 3 disclaimers on the pages that discuss the plex restart offer and EVERY SINGLE ******* ONE OF THEM says it is a ONE (1) time offer that will not be repeated and can not be petitioned.
So what I really want to know is why you are admitting to being dumb and then complaining that they won't fix your ineptitude? They told you at the door, if you **** up, oh well....
Well, you ****** up... The LULZ Boat. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1998
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:20:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.
And why exactly are you not drunk yet? |
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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
2711

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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:23:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:CCP Guard wrote: If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.
And why exactly are you not drunk yet?
I-¦m getting there now. There's this annoying thing here in Iceland they call "daytime" and it's all about not drinking and stuff. I hope you guys don't have to suffer through it as well. CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
104
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:32:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:TriadSte wrote: My dumb ass fault, my problem.
Ok, so its admittedly your fault.... and you title the thread "Customer Service Sucks". There has to be at least 3 disclaimers on the pages that discuss the plex restart offer and EVERY SINGLE ******* ONE OF THEM says it is a ONE (1) time offer that will not be repeated and can not be petitioned. So what I really want to know is why you are admitting to being dumb and then complaining that they won't fix your ineptitude? They told you at the door, if you **** up, oh well.... Well, you ****** up...
Ill take a stab at this for you :)
Agreed I did indeed admit fault right from the start but it was genuine mistake. It's not like I wanted the hours for plex to do some missions to grind the final 100 mil for a plex but failed.
I had the plex already contracted waiting for my other char to accept and add to account.
I simply felt that 2 days to sort this out a little much. It has now been taken care of so I thank the GMs and whoever else was invloved.
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Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
36
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:47:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Pretty much that, I did a most dumb ass thing ever yesterday I contracted a plex to another char of mine to add account time. I did this whilst using hours for plex.
I was then side tracked by a incoming gang so helped out, forgetting my other chars time was running out. As I used hours for plex thats no longer available to me at this time.
My dumb ass fault, my problem.
But why under billing in petitions you'd think you'd have more people power to sort these issues out. Like when you call your cell company you know for a FACT if you pushed the number for "pay bill" Its gonna get answered significantly faster than say "change price plan"....
All I want is 5 minutes to log in accept the contract and bang my game time on. Its Saturday I would like to get online and play some Eve.
Its been 24 hours now and I think for a billing issue that's on the border of unacceptable.
It would take someone literally a few seconds to help me out but no..
Speaking as a former call-center agent, I'd like to correct what appears to be a misconception on the part of the OP: 'Pay bill' doesn't get you an agent any faster than other options, nor do we have any control over which calls we take. We sit in the chair and we answer them as they come, whether they're billing issues or a a rate-plan change.
As for the long delay -- It's likely your just got lost in the shuffle (it's an unavoidable consequence of having so many petitions to sort through). All I can suggest is re-submitting the petition in the morning, making sure to mention that you've been waiting for while. |

Dog Biscuit
Chitlins
24
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Posted - 2012.09.02 20:35:00 -
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ISD must double as customer support. |

baltec1
Bat Country
2014
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Posted - 2012.09.02 20:43:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote:baltec1 wrote:CCP Guard wrote: If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way.
And why exactly are you not drunk yet? I-¦m getting there now. There's this annoying thing here in Iceland they call "daytime" and it's all about not drinking and stuff. I hope you guys don't have to suffer through it as well.
The curse of sunlight impacts us too. You have my pity and I wish you a speedy return to the winter darkness of the frigid north. |

MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
72
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Posted - 2012.09.02 23:31:00 -
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CCP Guard wrote: If it's any consolation I'm at home on my day off and when I saw your thread I only wanted to quickly toss some helpful advice your way. baltec1 wrote:And why exactly are you not drunk yet? CCP Guard wrote:I-¦m getting there now. There's this annoying thing here in Iceland they call "daytime" and it's all about not drinking and stuff. I hope you guys don't have to suffer through it as well. Man. Here I was under the impression that Icelanders, descendants of the feared Vikings, were Tough Guys. Down here in Texas we never let some oversized greenhouse heater interfere with getting a good buzz on. Heck, we even have a dedicated hydrating beverage specially designed for excessive consumption when it's miserable hot (i.e. beyond 35 degC to you): light beer. It can be found in all the local merchants(*) and is available in convenient 6-, 12-, 24-, and 30- unit packages.
TL;DR: Pansy Icelanders...
MDD  (*) Unless you have the great misfortune to be located in one of the Baptist-infested "dry" areas... |

Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
91
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Posted - 2012.09.02 23:58:00 -
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Well you can not stop those QQ people there is always something to troll/QQ for.. If you try to fixs it well the othere problems pop up. Its like cleaning the floor with the tap open. |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
41
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Posted - 2012.09.03 00:16:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:It depends on how many petitions they get. It shouldn't be a shocking that you aren't the only petition they receive. You are 1 of probably 1000s they get. Totally agreed !! +1 However before I began working for myself I worked in a call center [rock on] for customer services on rental cars. Now we had in the region of 2500 incoming emails. 5 people worked on those emails and in a weekend we cleared them all. After that weekend the very most that were allowed to stay there as a form of backlog was 200. This is why I cannot conceive the petition times here.
Ah this explains it.
I read through your first couple of whiny and self important posts and thought "Wow, when I was working in customer services in a call centre this is exactly the type of customer that annoyed me the most". Then you say you worked in customer services and it all makes sense, I'm an awful customer because I know all the levers to press and people to complain to in order to get things done quicker. I do it because if I'm feeling selfish I don't care about the guys on the phone or the other customers, I've been put out and I'm being a selfish individual.
That is essentially what all your posts are in this thread. Your first post is rude but I can understand your frustration, you then lash out at a dev who didn't read your first post but was clearly offering advice (in that way that you know they mean well but they aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, no offence ;) ), then afterwords you back track and bit and tell them "I work in customer service and we did it better".
I took great pleasure in customer like that as I single handedly demolished any arguments they had and put them in the position of saying "I'm being a selfish prick and I don't care that I am" or waiting their turn like everyone else. If CCP had done something wrong to you, or their software had caused problems etc and it hadn't been fixed then I would be like "Fair enough, someone get something for this guy as an apology".
Instead you're like those moron customers I'd get ringing me who had done something with their phone they shouldn't have done or whatever, I'd help out and give them a time and then they were unhappy with it.
Put it this way, just be lucky I'm not the one dealing with your query, otherwise I probably wouldn't have even moved your petition into the right queue for you (something you also did wrong). I would have let you wait your turn to let my team fix the problems you caused.
Oh also if you bought the PLEX with isk then you're not even a paying customer, so all the rubbish about "usually you get a faster answer with billing then changing a price plan" is inconsequential. Using your logic you should be a LOW priority as you're not contributing money.
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