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Domonix Deuce
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Posted - 2011.04.18 04:27:00 -
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I can fly all mini subcap ships cruiser and below. For gallente, the ishtar is an awsome all in one high sec explorer as it can hold all mods while providing a good tank ( good enough for GSO). I have been playing around on eft and searching the forums but my question is, does minmatar have a ship that is good at this as well? It has been a while since I was in highsec and was not into exploration, so I have no idea what I need to be able to tank and how much dps I need to dish out. Any help would be appreciated.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.04.18 10:59:00 -
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For Minmatar high security exploration, a Force Recon T2 Cruiser is a good choice. With high skill level, it can fit up all exploration modules and have slots left over for defensive and offensive mods. It can complete Radar, Magnetometric and small Anomaly's along with the 'Lookout' and 'Watch' combat sites 'On the Fly' without having to refit or switch ships. The 'Vigil' site is a bit tough for it. With a quick refit of dropping the exploration mods and fitting up more defensive and offensive mods along with Covert Ops cloak, it can chase down expeditions to last stage in low security.
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McRoll
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:13:00 -
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Since you will be exploring in highsec, the best solution by far is the Loki (if you are limited to Minmatar cruisers). You will absolutely want the probing subsystem because it decreases your scanning times a lot compared to unbonused ships. In highsec its unlikely you will ever lose it, so the odd 500 mil is a good investment. Also, it's an all- in- one ship, you can configure it to be able to exploit every highsec site without refitting.
A T2 fit is more than enough for everything you encounter in highsec.
In case you dont have enough money/dont want to invest, you can just get everything which is permitted through the gates in highsec plexes (mostly below battlecruiser). Highsec combat plexes are ridiculously easy so you really can just do them in a Rupture. You cannot fit it to be able to exploit all sites without refitting though.
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Baenus
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:17:00 -
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You really don't need a loki, unless your getting alot of escalation sites in low sec... then a loki helps with the cloaky unprobable fit. As long as your not doing caldari exploration pretty much any minnie t2 ships will work fairly good. Although the muninn does suffer from lack of any reasonable tank. personally I use a sleipnir to blitz anything more than a 3/10 just because you can shred right thru to the escalation/ faction spawn. Any sites rated less than 4/10 you can pretty much do it in a ishkur or wolf anyway.
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McRoll
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.18 16:41:00 -
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Its not about the tank or DPS of the Loki, it's about its scanning subsystem. The limiting factor is not the difficulty of the stuff you find in highsec (theyre all **** easy). Most of the time goes to the actual scanning instead of completing the site and if I were you, I'd try to cut the scanning time as much down as possible.
You can of course use a covops for scanning, but you'd need to change the ship everytime you come across something that has NPC's in it. If you have an alt, than youre free to choose what you want but from your post it sounds like you are playing with one account. For me, scanning in an unbonused ship isnt an option, it simply takes too long to justify the rewards in highsec.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:57:00 -
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I use battlecruiser. Lots of gank, lots of tank, archeology and hacking modules in cargo hold, put them on in station as needed.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.04.18 18:09:00 -
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I would never use a Recon or HAC in exploration, they just outright suck. Just about no tank.
Might work against frigs only but anything worse and I'd look for another ship, even a cane or the other BC is much better.
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.18 23:38:00 -
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I looked for mini explo ships too, but I found out mini ships suck for pve other than maybe the sleip and loki.
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Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.18 23:41:00 -
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 Originally by: Herrring
I looked for mini explo ships too, but I found out mini ships suck for pve other than maybe the sleip and loki.
(sarcasm on) You are so right. For PVE you MUST use Caldari ships! (sarcasm off)
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Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.18 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Caleidascope
Originally by: Herrring
I looked for mini explo ships too, but I found out mini ships suck for pve other than maybe the sleip and loki.
(sarcasm on) You are so right. For PVE you MUST use Caldari ships! (sarcasm off)
Oh I was talking about sub-bs ships. Maels are pretty good imo.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
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Posted - 2011.04.19 05:36:00 -
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Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 19/04/2011 05:45:01
Originally by: Tarasina
I would never use a Recon or HAC in exploration, they just outright suck. Just about no tank.
Might work against frigs only but anything worse and I'd look for another ship, even a cane or the other BC is much better.
I used a Force Recon Cruiser for high security exploration. It works great and has plenty of tank, the only site that it has any trouble with is the 'Vigil'. Force Recon can cloak and warp around setting up safe spots in low security systems where the last stage of most high security expeditions end. They are agile and have a very large targeting range.
With high exploration skills, a Tech 2 scan rig and SoE equipment fitted it should be enough to get 100% lock on most exploration sites. Add in a scan hardwiring implant and you'll have no problems at all.
Probably the main drawback about the Force Recon is the lack of turret and launcher slots which gimps it's ganking power.
Yeah, I agree the Tech 3 Cruisers are 'Top of the Line' for the 'All in One' exploration ship. But for the 'Poor Explorer' who is moving up from Covert Ops Frigates, the Force Recon Cruiser is the next step before going with the 'Top Gun' T3's.
Now if you don't care about cloak then you can use just about any ship.
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Oh, I forgot to mention that I just got a 'Top Gun T3' a couple of days ago and my T2 Force Recon Rapier will be retired with honors. It has served me very well for high security exploration and expeditions into low security.
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Domonix Deuce
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:45:00 -
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For the "Caldari is best" crowd, Id argue that Gallentee is best for exploration all the way around. Arazu is amazing in high sec, and ishtar/ domonix for null. Sadly when I moved to null, I sold my Gall and exchanged him for Minmatar, 1 month of training gets me back into both arazu and ishtar so I suppose I will be rocking a cane for the next month. Ty all for your input.
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Domonix Deuce
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Posted - 2011.04.20 00:07:00 -
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[Hurricane, explorer]
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
425mm AutoCannon II, Phased Plasma M
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
[empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hobgoblin II x4
Hammerhead II x1
For anyone in the future with the same question ive been doing Gurista Vigils In this all day and it rocks.. I ignore mag sites but for radar I just swap the Racial resist for a code breaker.
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