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Aut0cAnn0n	Posted - 2011.04.20 02:08:00 - [1] My corp recently moved into a c3 wormhole that has a Wolf-Rayet star. (The one with the +22 omni Armor resists and the -22% omni shield resists buff/debuf.) I recently have gotten the ability to fly a Loki, so I am looking for a solo C3 Wormhole Armor Loki fit. I haven't been able to find any decent ones. Anyone have any they can help me out with?
Skinae	Posted - 2011.04.20 02:10:00 - [2] Yeah, it's called a legion or proteus.
Aut0cAnn0n	Posted - 2011.04.20 02:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Skinae Yeah, it's called a legion or proteus. Yeah, it's called I don't have the skills for either of those ships. So I would like a fit for the Loki.... seeing as how that's the ship I can actually fly at the moment.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.04.20 02:35:00 - [4] Well you want sneaky? or pveish or unprob or just raw gank/tank?
Aut0cAnn0n	Posted - 2011.04.20 02:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Aut0cAnn0n on 20/04/2011 02:43:34 Originally by: Blacksquirrel Well you want sneaky? or pveish or unprob or just raw gank/tank? PvEish lol I tried fitting one myself, but I just can't fit this thing for the life of me.
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.04.20 03:48:00 - [6] Im not sure of a true pve fit...but (I also like arty for pve.) Heres the gist (rough ballpark of numbers as I just remember the setup not the actual figures) 2x active hardeners 1 faction omni 1x armor hp buffer gyros mids 2x webs (now you dont need tracking comps) 1 scram (replace with whatever) Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner 4-5x 650 mm...Though with 720s you get insane alpha Armor trimarks Or projectile rigs (depending on what you have less of and speed pref) Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Propulsion - fuel cat Loki Offensive - Turret Concurrence Registry Loki Engineering - Power Core Multi Most people prefer the scoping array to get drones and use 425s or 220s because of the dps number over say alpha and range. With the 425s or 220s and the array I honestly dont think tracking is all that much of a problem...could just be me though. Also shield tanked lokis have a bit better pve setup as leaving more room for dps mods and tank...just no 40km awesome web/s or scram if a pvp situation comes up. I also prefer armor just because it makes you harder to scan down by adding 1-2 mods or swapping a sub. with the 650s and no drones and not all V skills I got close to 400 dps and 2200-2700ish alpha (dependent upon ammo.) EHP was 120+k without implants. Use 425s or 220s dps goes to 500ish dps. (and a way easier fit) Sorry its not the exact, but I dont remember everything.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.04.20 09:38:00 - [7] The following is theorycrafted and unpimped. It expected to be used with the W-R c3 bonus, and with that factored in I tried to built something with similar stats to my legion. The main problem is this thing has no bonused subsystem for active tanking, which leads to 2 MAR and then some PG and cap issues which ends in mixed guns and odd rigs. The 6 gun varient is without the best cap SS and loses lows and thus dps to fix that so isn't better. Compared to my legion outside of W-Rs, this has comparable speed, reps and dps on paper, and then an extra web with both being much longer ranged which should be great. However, your dps doesn't have a 35km optimal, and some of it is drones which can't be used all the time (drop them when at close range to the BS). Do not use the cap booster unless you need to, and don't run both reps unless you need to (usually final wave spawns only, use your speed+transversal). [Loki, W-R C3s 4] Medium Armor Repairer II Gyrostabilizer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Armor Kinetic Hardener II Gyrostabilizer II Medium Armor Repairer II 10MN Afterburner II Cap Recharger II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 The legion has it beat unless those webs really help, and it doens't need to live in a W-R that's probably going to be farmed out and then you're stuck with a useless ship. At least you're packing the resist SS and long webs to make a home defence pvp refit somewhat viable. E.g. [Loki, W-R C3s 4 PvP?] Damage Control II Gyrostabilizer II Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener Armor Kinetic Hardener II Gyrostabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 10MN Afterburner II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Again minimal isk used, you can rejig things if you want to spend on faction lows or point. Expected to have guardians/cap support and note the lack of mwd.
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.04.20 09:41:00 - [8] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 20/04/2011 09:46:01 The other pvp options with these SS and not rerigging is: [Loki, W-R C3s 4 PvP? 2] Dark Blood Armor Explosive Hardener Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Gyrostabilizer II Dark Blood Armor Kinetic Hardener Shadow Serpentis 100MN Afterburner Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 200 Conjunctive Ladar ECCM Scanning Array I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Projectile Burst Aerator I Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Down on armour and a web/eccm, but oversized ab fun time. Again 'spare' cap booster. Eccm can be another web. Pimping kept cheap. I tried my version of this style fit (almost Prozacxx's) in a c5 anom a few days back, granted it has twice the EHP before including the c5 W-R I live in, but the point is that it just wasn't taking damage from a full sleeper escalation with that speed and sig combo when flying with high transversal. With logistics on the ball you should be able to do fly-bys of holes/get in there to tackle and still get out of scrams and have great resists to be repped. Just note your increased mass use if you jump with the prop mod on.
The Djego Minmatar Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.20 11:48:00 - [9] Edited by: The Djego on 20/04/2011 11:48:13 Shameless copy from Riotricks solo Legion to a Loki, should do ok. [Loki, New Setup 1] Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer True Sansha Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Magnetic Membrane True Sansha Armor Explosive Hardener Corpum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Large Capacitor Battery II Cap Recharger II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M 425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Nanobot Accelerator II Loki Defensive - Adaptive Augmenter Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
Aut0cAnn0n	Posted - 2011.04.20 12:03:00 - [10] Cool, thanks everyone. I really do wish the hole was a WR, would make my life easier. Anyway, I'll throw these into EFT see which I like the most and try it out. Thanks

Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.04.20 12:40:00 - [11] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 20/04/2011 12:42:41 IMHO that riotrick style loki is terrible. So so much isk in mods, overtanked, plus lol t2 medium armour rigs and surely cap issues with current sleepers. How not to fit for this scenario. Aut0cAnn0n, did you mean you wish it wasn't a w-r??
Aut0cAnn0n	Posted - 2011.04.20 21:15:00 - [12] Edited by: Aut0cAnn0n on 20/04/2011 21:21:04 Originally by: Daneel Trevize Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 20/04/2011 12:42:41 IMHO that riotrick style loki is terrible. So so much isk in mods, overtanked, plus lol t2 medium armour rigs and surely cap issues with current sleepers. How not to fit for this scenario. Aut0cAnn0n, did you mean you wish it wasn't a w-r?? Wasn't** Stupid phone. It would make my life a lot easier to shield tank it..
Daneel Trevize Black Viper Nomads	Posted - 2011.04.20 22:49:00 - [13] Edited by: Daneel Trevize on 20/04/2011 22:50:49 Well you're really back to the original mistake made by new people in w-space looking to buy a shiny t3 to make isk: you don't farm in your home, you farm your static. So while you could hope to find a connecting system which also benefits your tank and thus perhaps allows you to refit for more dps, generally you take whatever's full of anoms and empty of signs of recent activity, and your ship is capable of tanking in all but usually just 1 specific system effect rather than need an effect. This all also ties into the 'why live in a corp if even in their home wormhole you're expecting to be out in anoms solo' question.


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