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Jade Imp
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.20 11:57:00 -
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I just recently got my first Daredevil. I have flown in a Dram alot and always heard about how a Daredevil is a Dram killer. I think I can see how but I find myself at an impass with fitting the Daredevil. I have a MWD, long range point, and web in it's mids. Figure it is a armor tank cause that fills up it's mids, so what do I do with my lows and rigs.
Also I have 150mm rails on it right now, is that the wrong gun choice? Should I go with 125mm rails or even blasters? I Guess it really doesnt matter but I have Minmatar and Gallente frig at 5. iI also have just about max gunnery support skills and just about max skills relating to this ship. I am also not above putting some faction on this ship but nothing super massive. On a side note, when you all post a slight wall of text like this does the message box go funky on you when you past where it is at standard? It islike the messagebos wants to default at the top but when you type it jumps down for a split secont to what you are typeing whenever you hit a key. iIt makes typeing longer things quite interesting.
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Wardecced Alt
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:04:00 -
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I cannot believe I am typing this but
Blasters FTW
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Jade Imp
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:21:00 -
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any way you could expand on that? electron or what? reasoning behind it? I assume that would be because rails are pretty bad at close range.
Would still like some advice on the lows. All I have right now is a centi c-type Small Rep and a DC II.
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mattyZA
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:41:00 -
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Small repper DC II Magnetic field stabilizer II ENAM
This is what i would do anyway.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Imp any way you could expand on that? electron or what? reasoning behind it? I assume that would be because rails are pretty bad at close range.
Would still like some advice on the lows. All I have right now is a centi c-type Small Rep and a DC II.
Blasters because Daredevil gets a ridiculously high dps and a 90% web to get in close. Rails are for damage mitigation from other frigs while you keep the distance, however with that dps you don't need to keep distance. Just get in there, finish them off and gtfo
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Jade Imp
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: VanNostrum
Originally by: Jade Imp any way you could expand on that? electron or what? reasoning behind it? I assume that would be because rails are pretty bad at close range.
Would still like some advice on the lows. All I have right now is a centi c-type Small Rep and a DC II.
Blasters because Daredevil gets a ridiculously high dps and a 90% web to get in close. Rails are for damage mitigation from other frigs while you keep the distance, however with that dps you don't need to keep distance. Just get in there, finish them off and gtfo
Ah that makes sence thanks.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.04.20 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Imp
DD is Dram killer when piloted by able pilot. Since you are asking such questions, I'm afraid your DD won't be dram killer
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Jade Imp
Caldari M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.20 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares
Originally by: Jade Imp
DD is Dram killer when piloted by able pilot. Since you are asking such questions, I'm afraid your DD won't be dram killer
Ah yes, cause no question thread is complete without the one random ass that tells you that since you are asking the questions you are too stupid to get the answers.
Well done.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Imp
Ah yes, cause no question thread is complete without the one random ass that tells you that since you are asking the questions you are too stupid to get the answers.
Well done.
Well, to determine wether the guy is random ass or not, I usually check KB first.
Dramiel is drastically easier to fly and fit than DD. Judging on your Dram setup, you want to try next level without finishing current. This is your right and this is wrong way IMHO.
If you need solid DD setups, check KB's. Guys from BC top100, Hydra, PL, other able pvpes, etc. DS and SoT among russians if you like want drunken bear style DD
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Batelle
do you
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Posted - 2011.04.20 21:36:00 -
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it has a falloff bonus. FIT BLASTERS.
also ambit rigs.
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:16:00 -
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Am I the only person who really likes fitting rails to Daredevils? With its hefty damage bonus, 150mms put out a decent amount of dps (190ish, I think), and they do it at pretty significant range (10+10). I like fitting a faction web to my DD so that you can hold people at 12-14km easily, plus overloading it to 18km is great for catching Dramiels. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Batelle
do you
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Posted - 2011.04.21 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri Am I the only person who really likes fitting rails to Daredevils? With its hefty damage bonus, 150mms put out a decent amount of dps (190ish, I think), and they do it at pretty significant range (10+10). I like fitting a faction web to my DD so that you can hold people at 12-14km easily, plus overloading it to 18km is great for catching Dramiels.
Nah that looks pretty effective. Also makes it easier for you to disengage if things go south.
I don't see a reason to hold many ships at that range once you've caught them. Maybe Gallente blaster-frigs like the ranis or a blaster enyo/ishkur would be best dealt with at that range. With neutrons I can fit a second magstab and ambits, and with null I can still kite these ships at 10km and do about 135dps at that range, and I still have the option to close and easily double my dps.
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.04.21 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri Am I the only person who really likes fitting rails to Daredevils? With its hefty damage bonus, 150mms put out a decent amount of dps (190ish, I think)...
330 dps.
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Salient
Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.21 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares
Originally by: Terianna Eri Am I the only person who really likes fitting rails to Daredevils? With its hefty damage bonus, 150mms put out a decent amount of dps (190ish, I think)...
330 dps.
~250dps (OH) max w/ 150mm rails
vs ~415dps blasters is about as good as it gets
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.04.21 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Salient
~250dps (OH) max w/ 150mm rails
vs ~415dps blasters is about as good as it gets
150mm rails do 329 dps with AM.
Can do 549 dps with neutrons (3 MFS), but nobody actually uses this fit coz faloff >> dps.
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Lonesome Joe
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Posted - 2011.04.21 16:47:00 -
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So can we say that a long range Daredevil is legit? If not are there situations, like small roaming gangs, where it might be preferred?
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Terianna Eri
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2011.04.21 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 21/04/2011 17:30:00
Originally by: Captain Nares Can do 549 dps with neutrons (3 MFS), but nobody actually uses this fit coz faloff >> dps.
586 if you fit a t2 burst aerator
Originally by: Lonesome Joe So can we say that a long range Daredevil is legit? If not are there situations, like small roaming gangs, where it might be preferred?
I prefer it for solo since it's easier to gtfo. In gangs I would probably fit blasters since blundering into scram/web/neut range is a lot less dangerous when you have support. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Salient
Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.21 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Nares
150mm rails do 329 dps with AM.
Can do 549 dps with neutrons (3 MFS), but nobody actually uses this fit coz faloff >> dps.
Kinda fun dreaming about that but... Can't fit Neutrons + 3x MFS (nowhere near enough CPU) unless you're planning on not fitting a web+scram and just using an AB....but if using 2x fed navy MFS you can get something to work close to 500dps with void and still have room for a sm nos.
Rails are even harder to fit anything even close to what you suggest, but I'd love to see a fit if you have one that works.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2011.04.21 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 21/04/2011 18:03:31 Blasters make it fun and melty goodness, but rails widen its engagement envelope a ton. So if you are content with limiting yourself primarily to other frigates then blasters is the way to go .. if you want a smattering of cruisers to die as well the rails is the better option (small neuts makes DD cry).
Note, that with the god-web tracking of rails is a non-issue against other frigates .. extra range faction web for uber-DD ownage recommended.
Edit: Keep in mind that 300+ dps is cruiser level damage (2xGyro/425 Rupture ~ 360dps sans drones). Beauty of the DD is that it is ganky even without trying ..
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Captain Nares
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Posted - 2011.04.21 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
586 if you fit a t2 burst aerator
Don't recommend to use Void... leave it for PvE.
Originally by: Salient
Kinda fun dreaming about that but... Can't fit Neutrons + 3x MFS (nowhere near enough CPU) unless you're planning on not fitting a web+scram and just using an AB....but if using 2x fed navy MFS you can get something to work close to 500dps with void and still have room for a sm nos.
Faction modules, use them
DPS numbers I've mentioned are from viable fits (if 300-400 mil frigate is viable for your wallet).
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Renarla
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Posted - 2011.04.21 18:27:00 -
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I'm playing around in EFT with a rail Daredevil and can't get near the numbers you guys are claiming. Could you post some fits, please?
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