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James 315
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:38:00 -
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If you've been on the internet for awhile, you've probably heard of the term "netiquette". Forums, chatrooms, etc. have their own customs and codes of conduct. We know there are some standards in EVE, for example, rules against using in-game channels for racism. Some EVE organizations, such as GoonSwarm with its "cultural revolution", have sought to improve the atmosphere for female gamers by discouraging the use of sexist language. There are even some areas of space in which players agree not to use profanity in local.
What do you think? Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to, or does it completely vary depending on where you are in the game? Do you think EVE players are more or less polite than those who play other games, such as FPSes? Are EVE players too uptight, or not courteous enough, in your experience?
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Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
111
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:39:00 -
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Nobody cares |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:40:00 -
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I think the relevant laws in the United kingdom cover this adequately already.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:41:00 -
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The unspoken standard :
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EvEa Deva
State War Academy
Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:43:00 -
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Yes we don't teabag after every kill, we have no bags to tea with. |
Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies
The Unthinkables
105
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:44:00 -
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"Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to"
Yes, do what ever you want, when you want to, to whoever you want to, and if that makes it suck to be the guy you did it to .... oh well.
The LULZ Boat. |
Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
14
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Posted - 2012.09.02 02:04:00 -
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This.
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
90
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Posted - 2012.09.02 02:09:00 -
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i dont care what the standerd local chat is i speak when i speak what i speak how i speak. You dont like it then i use te "F" off word. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1423
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:10:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:i dont care what the standerd local chat is i speak when i speak what i speak how i speak. You dont like it then i use te "F" off word.
Internet badass alert. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners
Capital Punishment.
120
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:15:00 -
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I will say compared to Xbox live, discussion in Eve is almost civilized. However, I think if someone is offended by language, they probably shouldn't be playing a game like Eve.
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1425
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:25:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:I will say compared to Xbox live, discussion in Eve is almost civilized. However, I think if someone is offended by language, they probably shouldn't be playing a game like Eve.
lol...I just turned my voice chat volume on my headset completely off, makes XBL so much more enjoyable. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
2003
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:39:00 -
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Overall I like the massive mixed bag of people in Eve
It's like mixed nuts, I'm an almond 
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
705
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:12:00 -
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Yeah, there already is one:
Don't **** off the ISD.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
534
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:13:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to, or does it completely vary depending on where you are in the game? Do you think EVE players are more or less polite than those who play other games, such as FPSes? Are EVE players too uptight, or not courteous enough, in your experience?
In the past week I've met people who made me feel very welcomed and who have been a genuine help, and I've met people who made me feel like it was my first day in prison and anything I say or do, or don't do, is grounds for group ridicule or worse. I haven't been part of this community for very long but already I can tell that the EVE Community is a very diverse one, and just like real life the disposition of the people I've come in contact with varies. Tricky part is finding the most compatible people to hang out and grow with, as the game encourages some of the more negative aspects of human behavior such as subterfuge and derision.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Vince Arron
The Riot Formation
Executive Outcomes
85
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:22:00 -
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James 315 wrote:If you've been on the internet for awhile, you've probably heard of the term "netiquette". Forums, chatrooms, etc. have their own customs and codes of conduct. We know there are some standards in EVE, for example, rules against using in-game channels for racism. Some EVE organizations, such as GoonSwarm with its "cultural revolution", have sought to improve the atmosphere for female gamers by discouraging the use of sexist language. There are even some areas of space in which players agree not to use profanity in local. What do you think? Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to, or does it completely vary depending on where you are in the game? Do you think EVE players are more or less polite than those who play other games, such as FPSes? Are EVE players too uptight, or not courteous enough, in your experience?
Internet ******* space ships are such god damn srs buizness guiz ******* right? |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
890
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:43:00 -
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James 315 wrote:
Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to, or does it completely vary depending on where you are in the game?
James 315 wrote:
Some EVE organizations, such as GoonSwarm with its "cultural revolution", have sought to improve the atmosphere for female gamers by discouraging the use of sexist language.
Answered your own questions really didn't you?
My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
stoicfaux
1529
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:48:00 -
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James 315 wrote:
What do you think? Is there an unspoken standard of behavior that most EVE players adhere to, or does it completely vary depending on where you are in the game? Do you think EVE players are more or less polite than those who play other games, such as FPSes? Are EVE players too uptight, or not courteous enough, in your experience?
It's not that Eve players are less likely to use profanity, it's that Eve players tend to be more educated/mature and thus prefer to use profanity when it makes an impact and/or point. Those who can't finish a sentence without lacing it with profanity tend to be on the other side of the bell curve.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Webvan
State War Academy
Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:01:00 -
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Everyone Vs. Everyone
'bout it
This aint ****** ****** ***** **** **** ****** ******** ******* Disney studios. |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide
Black Legion.
51
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:31:00 -
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If you want to learn about eve etiquette, I'd reccomend speaking to some alliance diplomats who are the few people that require manners from time to time. |
Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
46
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:33:00 -
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Wow, a decent topic from James, color me impressed.
In my opinion, it does vary greatly from one part of Eve to another. There is definitely not one strong overreaching code of netiquette in Eve yet, but smaller mores are developing (such as your example against racism and sexism.)
I would put Eve's general populace above the short term quick play competitive games (see: xbox live COD crowd) in politeness, but the underlying theme of thievery, backstabbing, and betrayal in this game brings it a step down from other less competative MMO's.
Sure, you can be polite and friendly to someone before you rip off the corps bank, but its still rude to do so. No amount of "its a cold, harsh game; I was supposed to steal from you" makes it any more polite to be a liar and a thief In the end as it was a choice to do so; the scorpion is still a douchebag.
But that's Eve. This game is full of clever bastards. I may like everyone more than the 12yr old twits on COD, but you're all still bastards. 
In any case, I do feel that we are going to see more of this develop as the game has taken more of a Real Life influence. The player/dev gatherings, real money influence, tons of out of game metagaming. All this leads to a more permanent society that you don't see in quick-play then over xbox live games. This more permanent society will leads to developed societal mores. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
687
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:42:00 -
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Jypsie wrote:This game is full of clever bastards. I may like everyone more than the 12yr old twits on COD, but you're all still bastards.
Strange but in EvE that's a compliment 
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Mars Theran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:47:00 -
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I think as long as we keep the racist, sexist, phobic, etc.. talk to a minimum, (better if none), we'll be doing relatively well. Frankly, I don't even like to see people joking about it, and saying your part of that group and trashing your own means nothing against the offensive spew you're spilling.
Some things are just inherently inoffensive. Even if they are labeled as being anti-something, it's just hard to take the idea of them being offensive seriously; particularly when that group uses the expression freely amongst there own. Probably why in fact, but it doesn't make it okay for others to use it regardless.
Head swivels; attention gained.
How are we so offended by something which by rights shouldn't concern us as a member of another group?
I don't think it's about being a member of a group so much as being a member of a species. There is little difference between myself and the people who are being trashed, so why shouldn't I be concerned.
Special interest groups are another thing. Frankly, I'd rather not hear trash talked about them, but really I'm not particularly offended by it.
That doesn't include Women. As a person, I am inherently offended to the point of being quite a lot more angry than if it were directed at me, when I hear or see someone attacking a women or abusing here through language or physical means.
I'm not offended if someone says or indicates that they think a women is hot or attractive or whatever, or even that they have interest in her. Why would I be offended by Human nature?
Of course, if they're making a point of embarrassing, harrassing, or affecting that women negatively with their interest, that is another thing. Just because someone thinks it, or even admits it, doesn't mean it needs to reach the ears of the person subject to it or affect them in any way. More often, better if it doesn't.
Mutual attraction and appropriate indicators of that attraction in acceptable places by acceptable means are required. Anything else is offensive, disruptive, potentially hurtful, and inconsiderate.
Ethics.
Am I trying to control you, or am I being controlled?
Neither generally, but some influence of the latter is certainly probable with regard to how I came about my particular set of principles. That doesn't mean I to be controlled to maintain them, which indicates they are my own.
How does this translate to EVE?
By no more means than how I treat others within the game. I either respect a certain set of unwritten and written rules, indicate my expectation that others do the same around me, or let things slide despite my preference that they didn't occur because I can't expect others to behave as I do.
Mostly, it's not harmful here anyway. Might be harmful to them if they mispoke in the wrong circumstances in the real world. Particularly, it doesn't truly offend me because what I let slide is wihout malice and certainly not intended or capable of inflicting harm on anyone aside from some hurt feelings.
We all get hurt feelings; does that mean we should all stop communicating? Obviously not.
What gets me is hate. Anything capable of inflicting serious, grievous harm on another simply by the very nature of its existence. That shouldn't be, and I will try to stamp it out anywhere I find it with whatever means I have at my disposal, short of inflicting verbal or physical violence on someone.
This doesn't stop at special interest groups, ethnic groups, or recognized groups in general. It extends to all people, regardless of creed or class.
Of course, any group non-specific of those groups that chooses to be stupid, self-destructive, or blatantly ignorant with regards to so many things is unlikely to get any respect or defense of their actions from me. I'll stop short of calling you what you are in most cases, but that's about it generally.
I might say something if I somehow manage to come to care about you as an individual and a person, but that's probably not going to happen.
/dialogue
No, I don't think we have any particular sort of code of ethics in EVE or exclusive to EVE, to answer your question. I've seen a bit of everything here, and more of some things than I'd like.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
4721
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:29:00 -
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The whole internet would be better if people started behaving more nice to each other.
/c
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Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D
GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
890
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Posted - 2012.09.02 06:30:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The whole *world* would be better if people started behaving more nice to each other.
/c
FTFY
My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Skorpynekomimi
259
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Posted - 2012.09.02 07:57:00 -
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There is. Much like in real life, actions have consequences in EVE. If you run your mouth in local, someone might take offense and wardec you. Or gank you.
Personally, I strive to be polite and respectful to people, because it inspires the same behaviour in them. I also help people who are obviously newbies, rather than mocking them. I am an ambassador for my corp and alliance, as well as my own industrial setup.
And not JUST because they're a market for my sales of miscellaneous parts.
Niceness costs you nothing, but lack of it could cost you everything. Don't give people a reason to scour the belts for your hulk, or scan down your pimp-fit mission boat. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells
Beer needs you
119
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Posted - 2012.09.02 08:48:00 -
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You can't fart in the UK without telling the taxman so you play tax on it. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Persona Non Gratis
91
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Posted - 2012.09.02 09:35:00 -
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ctx2007 wrote:You can't fart in the UK without telling the taxman so you play tax on it.
Well, at least it's not *yet* a section 5 public order offence. :) |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
20
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Posted - 2012.09.02 10:23:00 -
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Varies depending on the audience. There are things that should not be spoken when there are parents that game with speakers. |
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
Repercussus
RAZOR Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:15:00 -
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I've been playing some of those "moderated" games (their forum/chat actually) and it was almost impossible to talk and discuss. It turned very soon into a 'moderators spamming alerts and ban contest' instead of 'game forum and chat'. So many thread closed even before the first reply because 'they blatantly would have brought to flaming and trolling' or people warned and banned just because they quoted other people warned or banned. And so on.....
I'll never forget the hate I owe towards those moderators and that 'gaming company' treating mature players as perfect morons just because of a presumed 'offensive language' which was offensive towards some ipotethical 10 yo pristine kid who could have been interested in playing the game.
Don't ignore the fact that in the internet the line separating 'moderation' from 'stalinism' is very thin and very red.
______________________________ just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean they're not after you |
Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.09.02 11:40:00 -
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The only social rule everybody seems to agree on is being nice to newbies. This is in contrast to other games, probably because in eve it's almost impossible to figure out everything by yourself |
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