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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.09 14:59:00 -
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I wish I could come up with 3 month old circular arguments like you guys do.
dbp
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2005.02.09 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Fuffel Edited by: Fuffel on 09/02/2005 14:42:37 thats the spirit! 
and yes, we do count guys in your gang as... well, guys in your gang? (thats the opposite of "in our gang" aka most likly not shooting at me during the battle)
what do you call shinra? BoBs soft underbelly?
Call us your enemy, foe, opponent, call us your undertaker.
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2005.02.09 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher

I wish I could come up with 3 month old circular arguments like you guys do.
dbp
I¦d bet you wish you could come up with some answers, after 3 months...
Its your killboard and a very nice one I may add, so its your decision what to put on it.
I get used to not finding 40-60% of all the kills we make vs you on that board.
No biggy, as we know what ships blew up and I guess for BoB its easier to hide the groupies - just in case you might want to blow them up yourselfs later... *g*
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.09 15:15:00 -
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c u in another week with the same rubbish when you kill another bob bs.
dbp
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:00:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 09/02/2005 16:04:54
Originally by: Fuffel
I get used to not finding 40-60% of all the kills we make vs you on that board.
That is indeed a verrry old argument. I thought everyone agreed by now that our killboard is pretty accurate.
About not having the losses listed from corporations that are friendly to us:
Lets make a deal, you add the losses from the alliances/corps you fight/fought with (PA, FA, whoever) and we will add the losses from the corporations we are friendly with. |

Luc Boye
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: TWD Lets make a deal, you add the losses from the alliances/corps you fight/fought with (PA, FA, whoever) and we will add the losses from the corporations we are friendly with.
hehe, good one, twd. --
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arjun
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:37:00 -
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we are 5 corps bob are some corps too. should be comparable i think. what have other alliances to do with that? twd i admit that the bob killboard is quite acurate when bob losses are concerned. not correct though is the fact that non bob kills are included in the board but not the losses. for instance shinra fights with bob vs g. shinra kills show up in the killboard but not a single one of the losses. today and yesterday: 18 bob/shinra bs deads by g. 5 g bs deads by bob/shinra. . 3 of those bob/shinra kills on your board were with final blow by a shinra pilot. still they show up. but none of the 9 shinra deads. in my opinion thats a good way to let look your numbers nice. dont u think?
Pegas Shinra SNRA Megathron 5-6QW7 no 09.02.2005 13:02 GMT Morealis Reikoku RKK Megathron 5-6QW7 no 09.02.2005 12:49 GMT w00rtex Shinra SNRA Scorpion 5-6QW7 no 09.02.2005 12:49 GMT Graph ro Shinra SNRA Scorpion 5-6QW7 no 09.02.2005 12:08 GMT lazio Shinra SNRA Scorpion 5-6QW7 no 09.02.2005 12:08 GMT Allexa Shinra SNRA Raven 5-6QW7 no 09.02.2005 12:07 GMT The Ratfink Shinra SNRA Apocalypse 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:51 GMT Lallante Shinra SNRA Apocalypse 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:34 GMT Guillaume Evolution EVOL Tempest 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:31 GMT Razor Jaxx Black Nova Corp BNC Apocalypse 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:30 GMT Grimster Reikoku RKK Thrasher 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:30 GMT Casius Evolution EVOL Apocalypse 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:29 GMT Cassiopee Evolution EVOL Tempest 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:29 GMT Chowdown Shinra SNRA Megathron 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:28 GMT dimensionZ Reikoku RKK Apocalypse 31X-RE no 08.02.2005 22:28 GMT Nightjester Reikoku RKK Raven 31X-RE yes 08.02.2005 22:24 GMT GoranMortok Shinra SNRA Apocalypse F-9PXR no 08.02.2005 14:00 GMT Val Duane Rough-Necks Inc RN Scorpion F-9PXR no 08.02.2005 13:59 GMT Rohann Black Nova Corp BNC Apocalypse F-9PXR no 08.02.2005 13:59 GMT
ok im off to work. lets stop this flaming here see u in space
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WildCard
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Posted - 2005.02.09 16:42:00 -
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Well as [G] mostly fights allone vs BoB , its a serios problem for the stats that BoB is with SHINRA , DIE,KR0M,-NM-,YAK and a few others, which are hiding behind the BOB shoulder. So the Kill-Borad isn't able to reflect the 100% right numbers.
The BoB Kills/Losses are pretty correct. What we realy miss are the losses from the others which are usual higher then the BoB core looses.(BOB's Fleet are mosty 1/3 BOB core 2/3 BOB followers). (Ok, I understand, that each BoB needs his points.)
Well, as workaround we should always call BoB-Core as Primary's
-WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- |

Blacklight
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Posted - 2005.02.09 17:49:00 -
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Pointless arguement to be having on the forums.
You think we suck. We think you suck.
See you in game.
Eve Blacklight Style
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.02.09 18:10:00 -
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Edited by: TWD on 09/02/2005 18:16:13 Onoes, a list!
Check the top of the following list:
kills 2 days ago
That was a combined G/FA fleet.
If you count other people than BoB in your list, it would only be fair to count FA losses as well. (since the arrival of G on 6 februari)
You'll see that we have not lost more than we killed. (including friendly pilots in our gangs)
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the fact that non bob kills are included in the board but not the losses.
True, but the BoB pilots that participated in killing the ship deserve that the kill is added to the list.
When you click on the alliance tabs you will see that those kills are filtered out. Only kills where a BoB member had the final blow will be counted there. |

Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.09 18:16:00 -
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G just make your kill list public and people can check themselfs
Wanna fly with me?
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2005.02.09 23:56:00 -
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So I guess before we all slap our schlongs on the table can we agree the answer to the original poster is no then 
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Hast
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Posted - 2005.02.10 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: Iratus Caelestis So I guess before we all slap our schlongs on the table can we agree the answer to the original poster is no then 
ummmm, what was the original posters question? 
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Nafri
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Posted - 2005.02.10 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Hast
Originally by: Iratus Caelestis So I guess before we all slap our schlongs on the table can we agree the answer to the original poster is no then 
ummmm, what was the original posters question? 
must be something about posting killmails Wanna fly with me?
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Elisium Dammar
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Posted - 2005.02.10 09:12:00 -
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Did G log on again?...
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WildCard
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: WildCard on 10/02/2005 10:05:46
Quote: You think we suck.
So, relay. Did i wrote that? I think not. Dunno what happed to you in the forum. Well there are some ppl, which write correct (mostly the better players), and there are lots of forum warriors. (mostly the... umm ok) I relay donĘt know why some people go so badly overboard here. And I donĘt care what you believe or not. [G] logs off always. Ok, no problem, just jump in and find out. That makes it much more easy for us. You will not be the first one, which is surprised after that.
-WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- |

ElectroSister4
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Well as [G] mostly fights allone vs BoB , its a serios problem for the stats that BoB is with SHINRA , DIE,KR0M,-NM-,YAK and a few others, which are hiding behind the BOB shoulder. So the Kill-Borad isn't able to reflect the 100% right numbers.
The BoB Kills/Losses are pretty correct. What we realy miss are the losses from the others which are usual higher then the BoB core looses.(BOB's Fleet are mosty 1/3 BOB core 2/3 BOB followers). (Ok, I understand, that each BoB needs his points.)
Well, as workaround we should always call BoB-Core as Primary's
Errm.. we dont hide behind anyones sholders. You can see our kills/losses on www.eve-kills.com Now what?
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"Its better to burn out then to fade away" - Kurgan
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WildCard
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:35:00 -
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Ok, last Reply for this Post. The difference between [G] and BoB is:
[G] kills only people which appear red. (atm BoB only) BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
-WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- |

Bizarre
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:40:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Ok, last Reply for this Post. The difference between [G] and BoB is:
[G] kills only people which appear red. (atm BoB only) BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
That's incorrect WildCard. Evolution has always had a policy to only shoot people who are -10 and ignore those we have no standing towards until they fire upon us. -------------------------------------------------
Deathwing > U LIKE THOSE NUTS ON YA CHIN?
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Tiwaz
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Ok, last Reply for this Post. The difference between [G] and BoB is:
[G] kills only people which appear red. (atm BoB only) BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
Evil pirats.. god damit i knew i was right.
There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.10 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: WildCard Ok, last Reply for this Post. The difference between [G] and BoB is:
[G] kills only people which appear red. (atm BoB only) BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
Lies.
Only a month or so ago, G were involved in killing VOTF in PF-346 while they were blue.
Reikoku shoot anyone -10, people who agress us and idiots.
We have more kills on our list because we kill more people.
It's not rocket science that last part.
dbp
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Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2005.02.10 11:02:00 -
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Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 10/02/2005 11:04:00
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: WildCard Ok, last Reply for this Post. The difference between [G] and BoB is:
[G] kills only people which appear red. (atm BoB only) BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
Lies.
Only a month or so ago, G were involved in killing VOTF in PF-346 while they were blue.
Reikoku shoot anyone -10, people who agress us and idiots.
We have more kills on our list because we kill more people.
It's not rocket science that last part.
dbp
Were they? Now that is somthing i dont re-call... i rememmber a while back when [G] wasnt formed and there were hostilities between STV and VOTF but that was quite a while ago now... ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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Fuffel
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Posted - 2005.02.10 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: TWD
True, but the BoB pilots that participated in killing the ship deserve that the kill is added to the list.
When you click on the alliance tabs you will see that those kills are filtered out. Only kills where a BoB member had the final blow will be counted there.
If you dont see the problem with this, let me explain.
A (fictionõry) fleetbattle 5 bob + 10 friends of bob vs 15 g
all bob pilots get out alive all 10 of your allies loose their ship
and we loose 7 ships (all with a final blow from bob pilots)
could you tell me, what we would see on your killboard?
as you are no real alliance, wouldnt it be possible to "adopt" the outsider pilots in your engagements?
your writing about "what the bob pilots deserve for their participation" - what do the other corps deserve when dying for your goals?
and, as this fine killboard is widly used as a source of information with it comes the duty to keep it as close to the thruth as possible
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Akan
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: ElectroSister4
Errm.. we dont hide behind anyones sholders. You can see our kills/losses on www.eve-kills.com Now what?
Same here. u can check Nemesis kills/losses on : www.eve-kills.com (which regroups a lot of eve kills) Nemesis Kill List
Just do some research as on this thread : EVE Corporations, Alliances and Organisations - Website Links and u could find other boards... kthxbye
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |

DB Preacher
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aneu Angellus Edited by: Aneu Angellus on 10/02/2005 11:04:00
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: WildCard Ok, last Reply for this Post. The difference between [G] and BoB is:
[G] kills only people which appear red. (atm BoB only) BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
Lies.
Only a month or so ago, G were involved in killing VOTF in PF-346 while they were blue.
Reikoku shoot anyone -10, people who agress us and idiots.
We have more kills on our list because we kill more people.
It's not rocket science that last part.
dbp
Were they? Now that is somthing i dont re-call... i rememmber a while back when [G] wasnt formed and there were hostilities between STV and VOTF but that was quite a while ago now...
You are correct actually, it was as G was being formed that it happened.
However, it wasn't the STV hostilites I was talking about. It was when CE announced to PA they were leaving the alliance, not by actually *telling* them or anything silly like that but by destroying several VOTF ships (who they had as blue at the time) in PF-346.
I'd go and pull up the thread but I'd rather go watch 3 CE frigs sitting logging on and off in 5-6.
No honest I would.
dbp
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Kcel Chim
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:43:00 -
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Even facing the danger of stating the obvious ill repeat it again for the slower kids amongst us.
The killboard is the public killboard of bob. -It logs OUR kills (including kills we particpated in) -It logs OUR deaths (pilots of the 5 corps commonly known as bob) -It ranks OUR pilots with a pointsystem.
The board is -not- a measurement for any non bob corp and purely displays the involvement of OUR pilots in kills. Who laid the final blow is only a statistical measurement and by gamemechanics totally random.
Killmails must included atleast -1- of our pilots to be added.
All other corps, including G have their own method of saving their kills.
We do -not- save kills of friendlies or deaths of friendlies as they are -not- part of bob and hence not part of our documentation.
To the aim of our killboard: It is a pretty accurate form to display the activities of OUR MEMBERS. It shows kills and deaths. Nothing more nothing less. If you wish to add a story to each kill, be our guest. However that is not the purpose of a statistical killboard.
Last but not least the fleets you mention with only 30% bob and 70% friendlies sadly dont match the majority of kills, especially those concerning G. This either suggests you are balantly lying or not very good with numbers. (Unless you want to claim that the friendlies in our fleets just get shot and dont participate in the kills in any way or form)
As a final conclusion you seem to be very concerned about the public only hearing one side of the story. I suggest if you want to change that and showoff abit, you start opening your own public (and ofc accurate) killboard so the neutral reader can compare both and see the "big picture" and the xx hundred of "bob friendly" kills you are so desperate to prove.
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TWD
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Posted - 2005.02.10 12:57:00 -
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Quote:
BoB and BoB puppets kills all which donĘt appear blue. So I guess you have a little bit more kills in your list.
I believe M0o is the only BoB corp that shoots everyone.
We have many enemy's, and have engagements at different places in the eve galaxy.
We get many kills.
Originally by: Fuffel
could you tell me, what we would see on your killboard?
Click on the alliance tabs, it is filtered out there. |

Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Kcel Chim
...The killboard is the public killboard of bob. -It logs OUR kills (including kills we particpated in) -It logs OUR deaths (pilots of the 5 corps commonly known as bob) -It ranks OUR pilots with a pointsystem.
The board is -not- a measurement for any non bob corp and purely displays the involvement of OUR pilots in kills.
Check eve-kills for Kr0m/DIE kills and deaths, -NM- have their own kill-boards on their personal web-site, as do -YAK-
Personally speaking, if you have a Kr0m kill mail that is NOT posted on eve-kills forward it to me, and i'll get it posted.
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Akan
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Rift Scorn if you have a Kr0m kill mail that is NOT posted on eve-kills forward it to me, and i'll get it posted.
same for Nemesis, we r tracking non posted losses but u can send them to me, evecrumble and well get them posted
*** Guardians Die but Do Not Surrender *** |

Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2005.02.10 13:23:00 -
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This is getting rather pointless now.
Each side has self pride, and each side wont post ALL its deaths, its a fact. I dont care if TWD comes on and proclaims that god himself makes sure of it... because... bob doesnt post all its deaths.
No one will, no one EVER will... get over it.
Aneu
P.S heres hoping to an official eve death list huh? ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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