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0o0Preatorian0o0 Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.23 16:34:00 - [1] So last night I was changing buy/sell orders. I had an eagle a overlisted for 824m instead of 82.4m so I double checked the market to find it was the only NEAR that price, double checked my order to make sure that was infact MY eagle, so instead of waiting 5 miniutes to re-price I bought it so I could just resale it. Somehow my 824Million isk went to another player and MY Eagle which was the only one on market for that price was still there. I have seen this happen on my alt with Oxy ISO, where someone sells the item to someone else and I got the stuff at their price. CCP Needs to fix this, Anyone else had similiar issues?
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2011.04.23 16:42:00 - [2] Sounds like someone tried to use a lame market trick that just ****es people off, and got bit by his own lameness. No love here for people like you... If you had just sold the thing at a normal price and profit you might not have been 700mil+ down loser.. Amarr for Life
Aqriue	Posted - 2011.04.23 16:54:00 - [3] Quote: I had an eagle a overlisted for 824m instead of 82.4m so I double checked the market to find it was the only NEAR that price, double checked my order to make sure that was infact MY eagle, so instead of waiting 5 miniutes to re-price I bought it so I could just resale it. Two things happen 1. Someone buys an over priced Eagle during the 5 minute wait and you net 10x the gain, then buy another eagle. Probably not going to happen 2. Wait 5 minutes, because no one is really going to buy it at that price. Most likely going to happen If you had waited, nothing would of happen in 5 minutes and if it did, you would of walked away with more CHA-CHING! then when you started. We all make mistakes and there is a hefty penalty in EVE. Try pricing some faction ammo at 400,000 instead of 4,000.00 ; was about 245 million in taxes
Fiye Tao	Posted - 2011.04.23 17:34:00 - [4] You can't choose what order you buy from. Regardless of the price you set it at, it goes straight to the lowest sell order. It's not an issue CCP needs to fix. It's a mechanism (working as intended) that allows the more active marketeer to fill his orders.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.23 17:47:00 - [5] The market in EVE is not a grocery store nor a farmer's market, it's actually a commodity stockmarket, operating completely via brokers to which you give orders (hence, that nice thing called "broker fee" instead of "shelf tax" or something similar). The broker does not care who the order belongs to, and only matches YOUR buy order at whatever price you were stupid enough to offer against the best sell offer in the target area (but being such an honest guy, he just pays it to the other guy instead of pocketing the difference). Anyway, BUYING your own merchandise to put it back up again is freakin' facepalm worthy. You end up paying a sales tax on it for starters. Then you get to pay the broker fee all over again. Would it have killed you to, you know, just wait a while ? Also, isn't canceling an order always instant, no timers involved ? To be fair, I never TRIED to cancel an order less than 5 minutes after putting it up or after altering it (I mean, why in the bloody blazes would I want to), so I really don't know if it's instant or suffers from the same timer as the order value change. MY GUT however is whispering to me that it should be instant, and in case this is so, what you did would actually be doublefacepalm-worthy (since in that case, you could have avoided all risk AND also the sales tax while not really having to wait any longer). TL;DR : working EXACTLY as intended, nothing needs fixing. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Tutskii	Posted - 2011.04.23 17:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T The market in EVE is not a grocery store nor a farmer's market, it's actually a commodity stockmarket, operating completely via brokers to which you give orders (hence, that nice thing called "broker fee" instead of "shelf tax" or something similar). The broker does not care who the order belongs to, and only matches YOUR buy order at whatever price you were stupid enough to offer against the best sell offer in the target area (but being such an honest guy, he just pays it to the other guy instead of pocketing the difference). Anyway, BUYING your own merchandise to put it back up again is freakin' facepalm worthy. You end up paying a sales tax on it for starters. Then you get to pay the broker fee all over again. Would it have killed you to, you know, just wait a while ? Also, isn't canceling an order always instant, no timers involved ? To be fair, I never TRIED to cancel an order less than 5 minutes after putting it up or after altering it (I mean, why in the bloody blazes would I want to), so I really don't know if it's instant or suffers from the same timer as the order value change. MY GUT however is whispering to me that it should be instant, and in case this is so, what you did would actually be doublefacepalm-worthy (since in that case, you could have avoided all risk AND also the sales tax while not really having to wait any longer). TL;DR : working EXACTLY as intended, nothing needs fixing. Your gut is, very wrong. Canceling orders is not instant, you get the same "wait 5 minutes to modify the order" thing.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.23 18:14:00 - [7] Well then, single facepalm instead of double _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Sully Tude	Posted - 2011.04.23 18:30:00 - [8] CCP isn't likely to remove this. A while ago I heard that RMT'ers will often have their customers set up ridiculously expensive sell orders for say 1 piece of tritanium, then the RMTer fills it and when CCP comes knocking the isk buyer claims "durr I just scammed someone durr" I don't know if they still do that, but if you're quick and notice such a riduclous sell order, this mechanic the OP is whining about would be a nice way to steal a good chunk of botter isk without doing anything wrong
0o0Preatorian0o0 Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.23 18:59:00 - [9] Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 19:01:46 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 19:01:17 It was not me trying to make a huge profit. I buy ships below regional and resale below best sellers in 99% of the cases. I was trying to move my order to be the lowest in the region and left an extra number in. IT WAS THE ONLY ONE IN REGION for that price, which I verified in my sell orders tab that it WAS MY order and ALL the rest were between 84-88Million isk. The guy that my order's isk went to WAS NOT ONLINE and could not have quickly changed his order to match mine.. ALSO I have seen this before on my alt buying Oxy ISO's. My order in 1 lowsec system of 220 fills but it gives me the price of another buyer, at 213 p/u. I have screenshots of it from my wallet, and showing my buy order on market and wallet screen at the same time. Its a BUG, and if someone took the time to look it over on test server Im sure its exploitable and should be fixed.
0o0Preatorian0o0 Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.23 19:03:00 - [10] Akita T No canceling an order that was just modified still has a timer

Tutskii	Posted - 2011.04.23 19:25:00 - [11] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 19:01:46 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 19:01:17 It was not me trying to make a huge profit. I buy ships below regional and resale below best sellers in 99% of the cases. I was trying to move my order to be the lowest in the region and left an extra number in. IT WAS THE ONLY ONE IN REGION for that price, which I verified in my sell orders tab that it WAS MY order and ALL the rest were between 84-88Million isk. The guy that my order's isk went to WAS NOT ONLINE and could not have quickly changed his order to match mine.. ALSO I have seen this before on my alt buying Oxy ISO's. My order in 1 lowsec system of 220 fills but it gives me the price of another buyer, at 213 p/u. I have screenshots of it from my wallet, and showing my buy order on market and wallet screen at the same time. Its a BUG, and if someone took the time to look it over on test server Im sure its exploitable and should be fixed. Le sigh. I was gonna tell you to petition it for I have found CCP helpful in matters such as this BUT if someone already bought it then they wont do anything ;/ Ah well, you live, you learn. By the by, your accident is a common trick that some people use to sell.. luxury ships.
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2011.04.23 19:29:00 - [12] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 IT WAS THE ONLY ONE IN REGION for that price, which I verified in my sell orders tab that it WAS MY order and ALL the rest were between 84-88Million isk. The guy that my order's isk went to WAS NOT ONLINE and could not have quickly changed his order to match mine. When you right-click and buy something from the Market, the dialog box gets filled in with the Price and Location from the order you clicked. However, when you submit that order, it will get matched against the lowest-priced item at the selected location. I.e., you have no choice but to buy from the lowest-priced Sell Order at the location you are buying at, no matter what order you might right-click on. As described above, this is an intended feature of the brokered Market system in New Eden. If you want to buy or sell from specific pilots, you can use the Contracts system.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.23 19:32:00 - [13] Edited by: Akita T on 23/04/2011 19:35:22 Duuuuude... It's not a bug, and nobody except you needs to be online. You ALWAYS buy from the lowest priced sell order in that location (you get no choice, you can't SELECT an arbitrary order) but you always pay the price you selected (from the higher-priced order). That's just how the EVE broker market works. To clarify : A duration sell order is an order to "sell for NO LESS than X". A duration buy order is an order to "buy for NO MORE than X". An instant sell order is an order to "attempt to sell for EXACTLY X to the lowest priced buy order whose range extends to the sold item's location". An instant buy order is an order to "attempt to buy for EXACTLY X from the lowest priced sell order at location Y". If there's a guy with a 100 ISK buy order and one with a 10 ISK buy order, when somebody attempts to "instasell" to the 10 ISK buy order, the guy who has the order at 100 ISK gets the deal, but only pays 10 ISK. If there's a guy with a 100 ISK sell order and one with a 10 ISK sell order, when somebody attempts to "instabuy" from the 100 ISK sell order, the guy who has the order at 10 ISK gets the deal, but gets 100 ISK. It all happens AUTOMATICALLY. It's a FEATURE, not a bug. Working exactly as intended. Rather annoying sometimes for some people, but fully intended. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.04.23 20:29:00 - [14] I don't understand what you say. Please explain again. You put up a sell order onto the market for 824 mil? (There were more sellers on the market, you were the only one selling for 824 mil though?) You go to the market and set up a buy order for 824 mil? WHY do you wonder that your 824 mil are gone but that your sell order is still there? That is how the market works! You always fill the cheapest available sell order - and you fill it with the whole money. It is like saying to the market broker "Here you have 824 mil, now get me a ship". Of course the broker will get the cheapest available ship (which isn't your sell order - that is hugely overpriced - but the cheapest available order on the market). And of course the broker won't give you back any of the money - actually, he will give it to seller. You can discuss that it is not right that the seller gets all the money. You can discuss that the broker (the npc, the system) should get the exceed money which is left after filling the sell order. But you can NOT discuss that your overpriced sell order should have been filled. You also can NOT discuss that you should have gotten back the exceed money. Just double facepalm.
0o0Preatorian0o0 Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.23 21:41:00 - [15] Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 21:41:40 OMG some people are not smart.. I BOUGHT MY OWN MARKET SELL ORDER, Confirmed I was the only seller at a high price. I right clicked my order and hit BUY, then instead of giving ME the isk for MY order it sent the isk to come other guy. And my ship was still listed on market for 824Mil isk. The reason i say the other guy was not online, is the only way I could have bought a like order is if the guy was online and changed his order to match mine at the last second. Which would be pointless he has no idea I was going to buy it instead of just wait 5 miniutes and fix the order to 82.4mil isk. ITS A GLITCH ALSO IF how you say market works I would not have bought the one for 842MIL by default it should have went to the lowest in that station which also did not happen, so your information is FLAWED
Tasko Pal Volatilis Legion Citex Alliance	Posted - 2011.04.23 21:54:00 - [16] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 21:41:40 OMG some people are not smart.. I BOUGHT MY OWN MARKET SELL ORDER, Confirmed I was the only seller at a high price. I right clicked my order and hit BUY, then instead of giving ME the isk for MY order it sent the isk to come other guy. And my ship was still listed on market for 824Mil isk. The reason i say the other guy was not online, is the only way I could have bought a like order is if the guy was online and changed his order to match mine at the last second. Which would be pointless he has no idea I was going to buy it instead of just wait 5 miniutes and fix the order to 82.4mil isk. ITS A GLITCH ALSO IF how you say market works I would not have bought the one for 842MIL by default it should have went to the lowest in that station which also did not happen, so your information is FLAWED If it happened the way you claimed it happened, then petition it. But odds are really good that it didn't happen the way you claimed. Perhaps, you missed the lower sell order. Or someone put a sell order in between when you put yours down and when you put in your buy. Either way, you have the potential to learn something.
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.23 21:57:00 - [17] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 21:41:40 OMG some people are not smart.. I BOUGHT MY OWN MARKET SELL ORDER, Confirmed I was the only seller at a high price. I right clicked my order and hit BUY, then instead of giving ME the isk for MY order it sent the isk to come other guy. And my ship was still listed on market for 824Mil isk. The reason i say the other guy was not online, is the only way I could have bought a like order is if the guy was online and changed his order to match mine at the last second. Which would be pointless he has no idea I was going to buy it instead of just wait 5 miniutes and fix the order to 82.4mil isk. ITS A GLITCH ALSO IF how you say market works I would not have bought the one for 842MIL by default it should have went to the lowest in that station which also did not happen, so your information is FLAWED OH MY GOD! YOU'RE NOT SMART. It doesn't matter if your order was the only one at a high price, if there was another order at a LOWER price, even if its by 0.01isk, IT WILL NOT GO TO YOU. You keep saying your order was the only one that was at a HIGH PRICE, you failed to mention if your order was the only one at the SAME station. Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSAC SE Listing
Lauren Hellfury Full Pocket Aggro	Posted - 2011.04.23 22:01:00 - [18] 2 facts about the way the market works, at least one of which you got hit by. 1) You always buy from the cheapest order in the station of the order upon which you select. Regardless of how much above that cheapest order you enter the price as. 2) Expired orders remain active until cleared at downtime. So it is possible for an order that no longer shows on the market to still be purchased from. ----- My guess is that you have suffered a slight memory lapse in the specifics and that you did indeed purchase from a listed, pre-existing order in the same station as the one you had your order in.
Kamuniak	Posted - 2011.04.23 22:05:00 - [19] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 21:41:40 OMG some people are not smart.. I BOUGHT MY OWN MARKET SELL ORDER, Confirmed I was the only seller at a high price. I right clicked my order and hit BUY, then instead of giving ME the isk for MY order it sent the isk to come other guy. And my ship was still listed on market for 824Mil isk. The reason i say the other guy was not online, is the only way I could have bought a like order is if the guy was online and changed his order to match mine at the last second. Which would be pointless he has no idea I was going to buy it instead of just wait 5 miniutes and fix the order to 82.4mil isk. ITS A GLITCH ALSO IF how you say market works I would not have bought the one for 842MIL by default it should have went to the lowest in that station which also did not happen, so your information is FLAWED Dont accuse others of not being smart when you obviously dont know how market mechanics in EVE work. It was already explained many times why money went to someone else. But dont feel bad, I have met alot of veteran players (6+ years) that didnt know this is how market works. You learn something new everyday.
Hel O'Ween Men On A Mission	Posted - 2011.04.23 22:53:00 - [20] Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 23/04/2011 22:54:04 Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 ALSO IF how you say market works I would not have bought the one for 842MIL by default it should have went to the lowest in that station which also did not happen, so your information is FLAWED Rightclicking on a specific sell order is basically saying "I wish to pay this price for this product". As already explained a numerous times, the market fulfills your wish: you receive <item> for <price you offered>. However - and that's where things don't work as you expect them to - you're not receiving the item from the sell order you clicked (your own, in this case), but from the sell order with the currently lowest price. As Akita explained: don't think of EVE's market as a regular shop. Think "stock market" instead. Everything is dealt via brokers. You yourself can't choose who you buy from nor who you sell to. The brokers do the matching for you. -- EVEWalletAware - an offline wallet manager

Michael J Fox	Posted - 2011.04.23 23:30:00 - [21] Originally by: SencneS Sounds like someone tried to use a lame market trick that just ****es people off, and got bit by his own lameness. No love here for people like you... If you had just sold the thing at a normal price and profit you might not have been 700mil+ down loser.. my favorite part of the thread. Some uses of the market are more lame than others c/d?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.04.23 23:52:00 - [22] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 OMG some people are not smart... I BOUGHT MY OWN MARKET SELL ORDER OMG you can't read the explanation that was already given to you in great detail more than once... you DIDN'T BUY your own sell order. You merely ATTEMPTED to buy the item AT the price YOUR order was listed, but another person had the same item listed at a lower price in the same location, so you BOUGHT THAT OTHER GUY'S ITEM, at the price you manually selected when you right-clicked your own "one extra accidental zero" order. It's been repeatedly said to you that there is no bug, that this is the EXPECTED and INTENDED behaviour of the EVE market. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Proton Power Amarr Retirement Retreat	Posted - 2011.04.24 00:17:00 - [23] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 Edited by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 on 23/04/2011 21:41:40 OMG some people are not smart.. I BOUGHT MY OWN MARKET SELL ORDER, Confirmed I was the only seller at a high price. I right clicked my order and hit BUY, then instead of giving ME the isk for MY order it sent the isk to come other guy. And my ship was still listed on market for 824Mil isk. The reason i say the other guy was not online, is the only way I could have bought a like order is if the guy was online and changed his order to match mine at the last second. Which would be pointless he has no idea I was going to buy it instead of just wait 5 miniutes and fix the order to 82.4mil isk. ITS A GLITCH ALSO IF how you say market works I would not have bought the one for 842MIL by default it should have went to the lowest in that station which also did not happen, so your information is FLAWED As someone that has sold and bought from the market for years now, you screwed up. The market is setup so the lowest price always gets the sale (hence the .01isk game in Jita). The person that gets the sale gets the amount of isk equal to his order or the order you clicked on that is priced higher. So even though you clicked on your order to buy it, it auto pays the lowest priced person the amount you tried to pay. In the end you lost. I suggest 1 thing: Never keep more than 500mil in your wallet so things like this don't happen or you accidentally buy that 8bil shuttle instead of 8k.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.24 00:57:00 - [24] Edited by: Cipher Jones on 24/04/2011 00:58:38 you got what you deserved for being a clownshoes. Came expecting to leave disappointed and left content. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
0o0Preatorian0o0 Blackwater USA Inc.	Posted - 2011.04.24 01:43:00 - [25] Yes, that is why I claim Bug. My order was the only order high on the market, several others lower. So in which case when I clicked to buy my high order, it should have in theory sold me some one elses ship at the 84Mil price. Not the highest at 842Mil. ALSO in advanced tab you buy the order you right click in buy, no matter where it is in advanced you BUY what you right click+buy. This is how I was certain it was MY buyorder and not some smuck trying to scam market with highpriced ships. Sorry I opened this post it was to see if other had this problem not for you all to try to make me look stupid. I kno how game mechs work Ive been playing on market orders since 2005. If you have had a similar problem please post, if not go **** in someone elses cereal
Brock Nelson Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.	Posted - 2011.04.24 01:45:00 - [26] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 Yes, that is why I claim Bug. My order was the only order high on the market, several others lower. So in which case when I clicked to buy my high order, it should have in theory sold me some one elses ship at the 84Mil price. Not the highest at 842Mil. Again, my question still stand, WAS THE LOWER ORDER AT THE SAME STATION OR NOT? If it was at the same station, it DOES NOT MATTER if you clicked on your order or not. The person with the lower order will get the sale! Investor Relation \| IPO Doc \| BSAC SE Listing
Thoraemond Minmatar Far Ranger	Posted - 2011.04.24 01:58:00 - [27] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 My order was the only order high on the market, several others lower. So in which case when I clicked to buy my high order, it should have in theory sold me some one elses ship at the 84Mil price. Not the highest at 842Mil. ALSO in advanced tab you buy the order you right click in buy, no matter where it is in advanced you BUY what you right click+buy. This is how I was certain it was MY buyorder and not some smuck trying to scam market with highpriced ships. The bit I highlighted in red for you is simply not correct. As indicated previously, when you right-click on an order in the Market, the UI helpfully fills in some details for you, including the Item type, the Price, and the Location for the order you are going to submit to the Market. You then have a chance to adjust the order as you like, and can submit it if you want. After you submit the order, the "Market Broker NPC" or "Market Server" (however you want to think of it) looks at the order you've submitted, and, starting with the lowest-priced items at the location you selected fills your order. So in your case, you listed an Item at Price 10x, where there was already an item for sale for x. You then right-clicked your order, and the Buy dialog box was populated with the Price (your 10x price), and the Item type and Location you had selected. When you submitted the order, the Market then matched that offer to buy against the "best" Sell Order for that Item at that Location (which was, of course, the one priced at x, not yours at 10x). This is how the Market in EVE works. It's how it worked in 2005, and it's how it works now. It is not a bug. Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 If you have had a similar problem please post [...] If someone else with this "problem" has been reading the posts above in this thread, they probably learned from those posts and now understand how the market brokering system actually works, regardless of whether they had misunderstood it since 2005 or not.
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.04.24 03:03:00 - [28] Market picture OP: In the linked picture, whether I rt-click>>buy Order A or Order B, I will be giving my isk and receiving product from the seller of Order B. If I rt-click>>buy Order A, I will pay that person 150/rnd. If I rt-click>>buy on Order B I will pay that person 100/rnd. People have tried explaining this to you like 10 times in this thread. It's how the market works. Again, no matter what, the person selling Order B will recieve the isk. In YOUR example, you are Seller A. Your items will not sell until you are the lowest price person in the station.
Amarr Citizen 155 Nordar Innovations.	Posted - 2011.04.24 03:23:00 - [29] Originally by: 0o0Preatorian0o0 So last night I was changing buy/sell orders. I had an eagle a overlisted for 824m instead of 82.4m so I double checked the market to find it was the only NEAR that price, double checked my order to make sure that was infact MY eagle, so instead of waiting 5 miniutes to re-price I bought it so I could just resale it. Somehow my 824Million isk went to another player and MY Eagle which was the only one on market for that price was still there. I have seen this happen on my alt with Oxy ISO, where someone sells the item to someone else and I got the stuff at their price. CCP Needs to fix this, Anyone else had similiar issues? I had to go kick a puppy after reading your responses in this thread, and I generally like puppies. After it was explained a couple of times you should have understood it. It's not a glitch but it's obvious now that trying to explain why would be(and has been by the above posters) a waste of time. People like you make me do bad things to puppies. /double finger
Panda Name Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2011.04.24 04:17:00 - [30] my favorite part was when he said he has been playing since 2005.



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