I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment.

When I had about 9m sp (have 98m now so this was a while back) there was a problem with concord so concord was taken offline for 5 minutes.

Probably would've been fine had they not sent an announcement to everyone that concord has stepped out for donuts and will be back in 5 minutes.

At night I can still hear the screaming and then silence

So no hate between high-sec care bears and Null bears?

or if they are shutting the servers down they could just save time and switch them off or just to be sadistic turn off the ability to PvP anywhere. EvE-O forums would get a super boost of whine.

I don't think there's so much an issue of hate between the two groups as a problem with game imbalance that most of us recognize: There's too much reward for too little risk in highsec, and "carebear"-type players seem very eager to maintain or worsen the imbalance, to everyone's detriment.

Opened this expecting yet another "EVE is dying" thread.
Left disappointed.

Also, LOL at the above poster who thinks the supposedly inhospitable environment of nullsec offsets its supposedly grand rewards.

This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.

Hmm I dont see much if any hate from high sec players to low/null, to them they simply don't exist and do whatever it is they do out there. Though some low/null seem to be obsessed with high sec players.

I totally agree with this, nerfing one's ability to earn isk in highsec isn't going to force anyone into the jungles that low/nullsec players have built for themselves, because the issue isn't about risk vs reward, it's about the fact that the predatory nature of low/nullsec does not appeal to everyone who plays EVE, nerfing highsec won't change that.

This, as always, is simply inaccurate PVP zealot propaganda. Lo and 0.0 sec have ALWAYS had better rewards. That the inhabitants of these places have made it so uninhabitable that the risk-to-reward ratio is simply unappealing to anyone other than someone looking for PVP is a problem that those inhabitants themselves need to fix, instead of killing/driving all the prey away to extinction.

You can continue to advocate the nerf of hi sec. All it means that it will take longer to make a profit; unlike lo sec, where the average "carebear" is likely to run in the red.

Sorry, don't buy it. It's the ratio of risk:reward that matters, not the fact that nullsec has slightly better ore or whatever. I also disagree with your premise that highsec is filled with people who refuse to take risks under any circumstances. The fact that nullsec folk have alts in highsec debunks this idea.

Alright, I'll give you that, a lot casuals probably don't care about low/null...but they do care about gankers...who do you think the highsec gankers would side with? I'm guessing it's not going to be with the pure carebears...but maybe I'm wrong and they will fight the hordes from low/null...not to say low and null will necessarilly work together, they may fight each other.

The beauty is there are so many smaller groups, and it would be open game on all of them in a way that is restricted in low/high sec right now.

The high sec gankers are often from low sec I think, at least those with some standing left. But You and I know that this is a crazy idea, seriously high sec would dock up(me included :)), but would love to see that if the servers were going down, in fact I bet they will do this before they go down, end of the world is the end of the world.

Now if they could do a server reset after this event they could pull this off. I would actually like to see one day of the world eating itself and no one worried about consequences.

I personally hope Eve goes on for at least another 11 years

I'm curious. Why 11?

i think he means when he is finish is skill trainer afther that i think he thinks that the game stands still so there is no new skills at that time so inshort he is close to his end game. At sp level offcourse...

lol...didn't consider it...Eve is 9 years old now, so 11 would be 20...real simple...lol...

I see. That makes sense. I personally hope it lasts another couple hundred years. I plan on passing on my virtual corporate empire to my children and their children and so on :-)

Some null players hate hi-sec folk, the vast majority of hi-sec players, (in my experience) could not care less about null-sec even of they tried.

I see. That makes sense. I personally hope it lasts another couple hundred years. I plan on passing on my virtual corporate empire to my children and their children and so on :-)

Ah, so you're aiming for being a Sleeper character?

I see. That makes sense. I personally hope it lasts another couple hundred years. I plan on passing on my virtual corporate empire to my children and their children and so on :-)