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Jacob Stov	Posted - 2011.04.26 20:15:00 - [31] Edited by: Jacob Stov on 26/04/2011 20:15:44 Edited by: Jacob Stov on 26/04/2011 20:14:59 Most ugly ships have to be gallente frigates. I don't even know their name after years of playing eve. Then the Caldari cruisers, with exception of the sleek Caracal. Raven could get a makeover like the Scorp. Proper left wing and moar spikes. And the Nightmare. Kinda looks like a shashlyk. The perfect ship, and then it looks like poo on a stick. Edit: spelling sucks
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.04.26 20:21:00 - [32] Originally by: Jacob Stov Most ugly ships have to be gallente frigates. No way, gallente frigates (aside from the imicus) are very sci-fi in that 50's classic way.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.04.26 20:22:00 - [33] I think it's a pretty good consensus that the Moa is the ugliest ship in Eve. I hope that CCP never tries to make it not ugly though. Update it? Sure, but taking away its ugly factor would be like destroying everything the ship has gained a reputation for being.
Judicator Saturnius Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.04.26 20:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Franklin Delano Roosevelt I think it's a pretty good consensus that the Moa is the ugliest ship in Eve. I hope that CCP never tries to make it not ugly though. Update it? Sure, but taking away its ugly factor would be like destroying everything the ship has gained a reputation for being. I have to agree, they should stay ugly until rails are worth using. Otherwise i'll have the urge to fly the eagle.
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.26 21:08:00 - [35] Originally by: Khory Thunderstar Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis I would actually say that of all the ships out there, Caldari ones are the most realistic in terms of what spacecraft will look like. Little fluff, simple designs. ...with Gallente being WAY on the other side of the spectrum. Guess you meant amarr? Engines in line with a long ship. Asymetry is a *****, causes a lot more stress on the frame than you would like because engines are pushing different parts of it forward. 'realistic' space ships are much more likely to be long and thin. And have a lot of issue with heat dissipation. They wont be nearly as exquisite as most we see around in... any space fiction, really. Forgive me if I'm wrong - it's been 14 years since I took Physics... There is no issue with asymmetrical designs in space because there is no drag in space...and, therefore, no stress on structures/frames.
Ikarus Gaul Gallente Eiffel Initiatives	Posted - 2011.04.26 21:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis ... There is no issue with asymmetrical designs in space because there is no drag in space...and, therefore, no stress on structures/frames. Drag is only one of the potential problematic factors, and as you've correctly identified there is no drag in space (setting aside for the moment that space in the Eve cluster seems to exhibit features that are fluidic rather than vacuum). The real problem is force applied to a large mass. Unless the thrust is balanced against the centre of mass for a ship, it will have a tendency to turn/rotate. Balancing the thrust so that the line of force extends through the centre of mass can be achieved in several ways: Simplest: keep the mass of the ship relatively tightly centered around the thrust axis (e.g. Apocalype, Rokh, Typhoon, Megathron), and keep the thruster units tightly centred on the same axis More complicated: Position thrusters are various points so that the averaged centre of the trust is on an axis that intersects the centre of the mass. á How many humans will CONCORD allow Master Kuvakei and his True Slaves to abduct? How many is too many? Too many have already been lost! 40M citizens on countless planets!
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.26 21:39:00 - [37] Originally by: Ikarus Gaul Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis ... There is no issue with asymmetrical designs in space because there is no drag in space...and, therefore, no stress on structures/frames. Drag is only one of the potential problematic factors, and as you've correctly identified there is no drag in space (setting aside for the moment that space in the Eve cluster seems to exhibit features that are fluidic rather than vacuum). The real problem is force applied to a large mass. Unless the thrust is balanced against the centre of mass for a ship, it will have a tendency to turn/rotate. Balancing the thrust so that the line of force extends through the centre of mass can be achieved in several ways: Simplest: keep the mass of the ship relatively tightly centered around the thrust axis (e.g. Apocalype, Rokh, Typhoon, Megathron), and keep the thruster units tightly centred on the same axis More complicated: Position thrusters are various points so that the averaged centre of the trust is on an axis that intersects the centre of the mass. That's a good point. But as you explained, one that can be relatively easily remedied.
Fredfredbug4 Gallente	Posted - 2011.04.26 21:55:00 - [38] Sansha ships are giant flying pieces of poop. It's like CCP made them ugly on purpose.
Theodemir Amarr	Posted - 2011.04.26 22:05:00 - [39] The Raven is probably one of the better looking battleships in the game; As it actually looks like a ship of war. Antenna's here, something else that's needed to function there. They at least 'tried' to make it symmetrical but no real need... then vola, the bird of prey awaits! Nearly ALL Minmatar ships I'd class as a joke aesthetically, especially the darn maelstrom. I can't take seriously the notion how it's meant to look like a battleship[ship of war]!? Then the Typhoon, looks like a rough turd but practical and plausible. The Thrasher being their saving grace. Blackbird/Vexor/Prophecy/Breacher hulls I'd class as needing some immediate design overhaul.
Richard Faze Pimpin' Ain't Easy	Posted - 2011.04.26 22:08:00 - [40] Imicus... because of Imicus. Bad design CCP, BAD! It looks like a mouldy pita bread with a kickstand.

Vicker Lahn'se Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC	Posted - 2011.04.26 22:09:00 - [41] All of the t3s are ugly. CCP's attempt at making the modular stuff has resulted in all of the t3s looking very disorganized. They're all just long things with slightly different features jutting off of them depending on what you fit to them. They did an awesome job of giving all the non-t3 hulls a lot of character because they actually had a hull to work on.
Led Zeppelin420	Posted - 2011.04.26 23:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Theodemir The Raven is probably one of the better looking battleships in the game; As it actually looks like a ship of war. I have to disagree with this. I think most large battle type space ships would look along the lines of the Rokh or Mega. The biggest reason I would think is the target u present your opponent. The Raven is wide and tall its front profile is much larger than say that of the Rokh.
Saile Litestrider	Posted - 2011.04.27 01:24:00 - [43] Originally by: Fredfredbug4 Sansha ships are giant flying pieces of poop. It's like CCP made them ugly on purpose. I'd hate to see the person who could pass a succubus, phantasm or nightmare without tearing several tender bits of themselves. The revenant, on the other hand, is just like you say. It's hideous and out of character for Sansha ships. If you ask me, there are a lot of ugly ships in EVE, and a lot of beautiful ones that are horribly underused. I think it could be remedied, but it would probably take a lot of work. Two in particular that stand out to me are the blackbird, who lost its partner-in-ugly-design, the scorpion, and is now kind of isolated. It used to look almost logical when compared to the scorpion and griffin, but now it looks out of place and dated. And then there's the poor, poor Helios. It mostly looks bad because it used to be based on the maulus hull, and it looked fantastic. Now it's trapped in the deformed imicus hull.
LaBuffalo Nordic Innovations	Posted - 2011.04.27 02:41:00 - [44] Black Bird
Nyarlothotep The Scope	Posted - 2011.04.27 06:17:00 - [45] I'm a Gallente pilot and can't stand the Domi, for obvious reasons, and the Brutix, big head and small tail make it look like a giant space sperm... My favorite 2 ship designs are the Heron and Catalyst. I think the Amarr and Minnie ships fit well to their concepts. Most of the frigs are just awesome. Cruisers look to be a bit sub-par when compared to the rest of the classes.
Miregar Shakor Minmatar	Posted - 2011.04.27 09:04:00 - [46] Originally by: Wedding Peach Typhoon: It looks like someone took a barrel, put some propulsion on it and then put scaffolding on it. Originally by: robocpf1 Cyclone - little pointy wing tips? :( Hurricane - alternative to the feet that are stapled along the sides would be nice. Star Destroyer look is cool. Burst - seriously. come on guys. Naglfar - way too vertical. Wayyy too vertical. Tempest - what? The long cockpit outrig makes me sad. Slight redesign needed, I like what they were trying to do with it but I don't like what came out. Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis Ugh...Minmatar ships are just awful. Like someone went through a space-trash heap with a huge scoop and then made a ship out of whatever they happened to pick up. [except the 'Cane - that's just a sexy ship]. To all of you: SO WHAT? This is what we do. We start out with seriously limited resources and not only we make due, we build serious (and yes, our ships ARE airtight) ships that work! And melt your face in your fancy-ar$e over-engineered space statues in the process. This is the Minmatar way of space engineering. And we are good at it! Oh and btw, I do like the Moa OOC: just give us high-res textures and a lot of stuff will be OK.
Adrian Idaho	Posted - 2011.04.27 10:56:00 - [47] Everything Minmatar. From their shuttles to their freighters and capitals. Without exception. They even make Gallente turds look good in comparison.
Traejun DiSanctis Caldari	Posted - 2011.04.28 08:05:00 - [48] Originally by: Miregar Shakor To all of you: SO WHAT? This is what we do. We start out with seriously limited resources and not only we make due, we build serious (and yes, our ships ARE airtight) ships that work! And melt your face in your fancy-ar$e over-engineered space statues in the process. This is the Minmatar way of space engineering. And we are good at it!o Oh and btw, I do like the Moa OOC: just give us high-res textures and a lot of stuff will be OK. RP Forum is that way ---> P.S. Tempest. The Prosecution rests.
Implying Implications Minmatar Autistic Sharks Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.04.28 09:56:00 - [49] The Celestis hull gave me cancer. >Implying Implications
Khory Thunderstar The Single Scam	Posted - 2011.04.28 10:15:00 - [50] Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis Originally by: Ikarus Gaul Originally by: Traejun DiSanctis ... There is no issue with asymmetrical designs in space because there is no drag in space...and, therefore, no stress on structures/frames. Drag is only one of the potential problematic factors, and as you've correctly identified there is no drag in space (setting aside for the moment that space in the Eve cluster seems to exhibit features that are fluidic rather than vacuum). The real problem is force applied to a large mass. Unless the thrust is balanced against the centre of mass for a ship, it will have a tendency to turn/rotate. Balancing the thrust so that the line of force extends through the centre of mass can be achieved in several ways: Simplest: keep the mass of the ship relatively tightly centered around the thrust axis (e.g. Apocalype, Rokh, Typhoon, Megathron), and keep the thruster units tightly centred on the same axis More complicated: Position thrusters are various points so that the averaged centre of the trust is on an axis that intersects the centre of the mass. That's a good point. But as you explained, one that can be relatively easily remedied. And that simple remedy creates torsions in the structure, that could having beind avoided completely by using method 1. Torsions create structural stress. Especially when we are talking about battleship like mass.

Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol	Posted - 2011.04.28 11:09:00 - [51] Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 28/04/2011 11:14:31 Originally by: Cipher Jones Aesthetics are 100% subjective. Not really sure if there's no average taste. Make a ship rating contest and let 1,000 people that don't play EVE rate the prettiness. The ugliest hulls will definitely include: 1. Moa 2. Bellicose These are really the ugly cows of EVE. The prettiest hulls will include: 1. Nyx 2. Ashimmu 3. Armageddon Personally I will never ever fly the following ships because of the eye pains they cause me: Moa, Bellicose, Tempest, the bulkies (Vexor, Dominix, Maller), the silly cut-in-two ships (Crucifier, Aeon) to name a few. Next to that, asymmetry = just plain ugly.
Viibl Triibl	Posted - 2011.04.28 18:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Jennifer Starling The ugliest hulls will definitely include: 1. Moa 2. Bellicose You were making OK sense until you said Bellicose. It's homely looking for sure, but hardly ugly on the scale of the Celestis, Dominix, Bantam and Moa.
Xzar Fyrarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2011.04.28 21:35:00 - [53] Ugliest Ships ? Typhoon - ... a trashcan with Fire coming out of it's backside. Attractive. Moa - ... Naglifar -... too... vertical Myrmidiron - Too... vertical. But honestly, I don't "ugly" is the correct term. Amarr ships have their regal imperial design. Caldari have their static militaristic design. Minmatar have scrapyard and duct tape to work with. And Gallente hasth Fail after the Loss of the Pitch Black Navy Megatron. ------------------------------------------------ One Cannot Fully Appreciate Peace Until They Have Experienced True Pain. ------------------------------------------------- - Xzar Fyrarr ;
Apex Bex	Posted - 2011.04.29 05:33:00 - [54] All of the Caldari cruisers are hateful to look at. The Caracal hull is only just tolerable. Most of the Gallente fleet (with the exception of the Mega) looks like something I coughed up into a tissue. What I DO want... a Concord cruiser.... mmmm
palloides	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:28:00 - [55] Yep. The Drake looks like a flying radiator. I fly the apoc but agree, who on earth would leave a gaping great hole in it, still looking for a decent welder to cover it up for me, extra cargo space would be great.
DestroyRoid	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Captain JeanLuc' Picard does anyone agree with me that some ships need to be redesigned or scrapped and replaced completely ? name the ugliest ships you hate and think should be re-skinned ! for example the bellicose comes to mind as lazy designing ... maybe ccp could do more player 'design a new ship' competitions like they did recently that ship is sexyyyy i do like the reinvented scorpion though giving it its two wings like we all thought it should have
2manno Halifax	Posted - 2011.04.29 16:59:00 - [57] there's really no need to split hairs on which ship is ugly and which is not. the bottome line is that most of the people agree that most of the ships are ugly (some amazingly, stupendously, puzzlingly ugly), even if they may disagree on individual ships. what has to happen here is this: EVE scraps their current designs entirely... perhaps saving some core racial concepts, and redoes them all. EVE ships as a whole, are the ugliest in any gaming universe. time to redo them all.
Rijasy	Posted - 2011.04.29 18:42:00 - [58] I don't know... The iconic looks of the ship in this game are a big part of what got me into eve when I first started playing. Even the ugly ones. I'd hate to see them go entirely, or even drstically changed. Though, I would love to see more new designs.
Lidia Prince Caldari Caldari Aegis	Posted - 2011.04.30 06:31:00 - [59] Originally by: 2manno Halifax there's really no need to split hairs on which ship is ugly and which is not. the bottome line is that most of the people agree that most of the ships are ugly (some amazingly, stupendously, puzzlingly ugly), even if they may disagree on individual ships. what has to happen here is this: EVE scraps their current designs entirely... perhaps saving some core racial concepts, and redoes them all. EVE ships as a whole, are the ugliest in any gaming universe. time to redo them all. And also scrap away absolulety beautiful ships like Abaddon? Nope, too radical. It was proposed in this thread already, the best thing for CCP to do will be making polls after first Incarna will come out. Lets say every week a new poll is started, and in it 4 ships of the same class from each race are proposed for complete redesign. Players will decide which ships should be changed and which ones should just get a polygon and texture lift. After all is done, the next stage of polling starts: CCP will propose various concepts for every ship, so people will decide which one they like the most. If I recall correctly, their designers are already working on them (they said something about Raven on FF Art Panel) , why not give players a little sneak-peek, might be much better than a cat in a bag, no? Of course this is IDEAL way to do something like that, and I highly doubt it will ever happen.
Sin Raine	Posted - 2011.04.30 07:17:00 - [60] I'm amazed no-one has mentioned the Archon yet, seriously wtf is up with those cylinders hanging off the back of it? whenever there's a fleet engagement and you see one sitting vertically it looks like transformer! The Aeon isn't far behind it and the Phoenix could really use some love also. PS. New Scorp design is awesome, disappointed with the Rattle however, the design flow from Worm > Gila > Rattle wasn't maintained. Conversely the Widow is now one of the best looking ships in eve (subjective).



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