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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: ceaon on 26/04/2011 18:13:29 ->
Quote: Ok, I've seen a bunch of speculation of why people think PSN is down, and I thought I should just post what the community knows in comparison to what Sony is telling everyone. The truth is, there was a new CFW (custom firmware) released known as Rebug (http://rebug.me). It essentially turns a retail console into a dev console (not fully, but gives you a lot of the same options that usually dev's only have access to). Anyway, this new CFW was quickly figured out by 3rd parties (not Rebug) to give CFW users access to the PSN network again via the dev networks. With a little manipulation of the URL's through a proxy server you could get your hacked console back online. Not that big of a deal, right? Well, it also turns out that some people over at NGU found out that you could provide fake CC# info and the authenticity of the information was never checked as you were on Sony's private developer PSN network (essentially a network that Sony trusted). What happened next was extreme piracy of PSN content. Sony realizing the issue here shut down the network. Now, before you go freaking out about the latest information posted about Kotaku, no ones personal information was accessible via this hack. Not to say they couldn't get it, but no one is admitting to it being available. Anyway, that's the real reason for the PSN downtime. Sony is now rebuilding all of it's PSN servers to be more secure and (hopefully) make sure the CFW users cannot get online anymore.
Edit #1: To those of you saying that this is speculation, you are correct. But, it is speculation based on a lot of facts and the outcome seems to make the most sense.
Rebug was released on 3/31/11.
First guides of how to use the dev network to get back on COD games on 4/3/11.
Word of NGU users finding a way to pirate PSN content via the dev networks on 4/7/11 (basing this on posts I had to delete on the website. Update: Users have pointed out to me that these posts existed on NGU as of 4/2/11).
PSN goes down on 4/20/11
Now, you can believe Sony's PR team which has kept you completely in the dark, or you can see the list of events above and come to your own conclusion. Now, this isn't the first time Sony has fought back against the PS3 modders from getting on PSN. A couple of months ago we had a utility called f*ckPSN that changed the necessary header information that was being sent to Sony to allow modified consoles back online. We were able to use it for about a month. Then came the new TOS, the mass e-mail to PS3 customers, and software update 3.56 and 3.60. So, once again, yes this is all speculation, but it is speculation based on previous actions and known facts.
Edit #2: Mathieulh just mentioned that he has been in contact with someone that has official access to the SCE devnet servers and it was posted to them today that only 3.60+ debug firmwares will be allowed on the dev network anymore. All earlier versions will be cut. If you want to retain your access you need to contact Sony and upgrade to 3.60 debug firmware.
Edit #3: Ok, it looks like some various news sites have picked up this story and taken it out of context. Once again, this is all speculation and information gathered from various devs in the PS3 scene. It might very well not be the real reason PSN is down, but as the timeline fits, it's a reasonable explanation. Now, as to Rebug directly allowing this to happen, that's not the case at all. Different CFW's have had access to the dev network the whole time. This is not new news for people in the PS3 scene. It's what people have figured out what to do with the said network that has caused all the recent issues. Saying that Rebug is what did this is like saying a gun manufacturer is responsible for every death that happens with a gun.
http://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/gx6o4/im_a_moderator_over_at_psxscenecom_the_real/
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:29:00 -
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So first it was the death of qwerty, because they don't make mechanical typewriters any more. Now it's the death of PSN, because they're upgrading stuff to stop hackers.
There's a trend forming in your threads and it's not a good one.
Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it.
Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
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Metal Icarus
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:42:00 -
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Speaking of speculation, I hear that sony went after the guy that figured this out and is sueing him. Thats when the hack-tivists shut down PSN.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.04.26 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
There's a trend forming in your threads and it's not a good one.
I noticed his threads lack a face to go with them, this is a disturbing trend indeed
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.04.26 22:43:00 -
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Reports: 77 Million PlayStation Network Accounts Compromised
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.04.26 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon Reports: 77 Million PlayStation Network Accounts Compromised
Yes, Sony are masters of comedy... now about this face issue
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.26 23:54:00 -
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Now watch sony blame GeoHott's hack of the PS3 for the hacking of PSN. because their lawyers will spin it as it being his fault for them leaving the devnet less than secure.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.27 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Icarus Speaking of speculation, I hear that sony went after the guy that figured this out and is sueing him. Thats when the hack-tivists shut down PSN.
Yeah they settled out of court basically saying so long as you never attempt to hack any sony gear or attempt to release it "we wont attempt to takes alls yours monies." It worked out for geohot because he was found to be lying on many of his statements, and sony wanted to stop being seen as some ******* company that sues a "blue collar" hacker from jersey. The guy also fled to Brazil for a bit too if im not mistaken.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.27 03:43:00 -
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What GeoHot did was not wrong though, afterall he likely bought the PS3 making it his.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.27 04:11:00 -
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But the distribution was. Also he did lie to collect donations from the public.
All in all Sony went overboard, but Geohotz is a douche bag. (I mean who raps on youtube?) Modding your consoles is illegal in the U.S.(Though it shouldn't be) and really the blame shouldnt be placed on sony rather the law.
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Buxaroo
Gallente Versatech Co. RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.04.27 04:21:00 -
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lol, glad I only watch Blurays on my PS3
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Nylarthotep
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:32:00 -
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Here is an interesting quip from Sony's Q & A on their PSN blog about the PSN attack.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/
The question I would like to point you to, is what they are doing to prevent this in the future. They state that they are moving their Data center to a more secure location, which tells me that this hack could have been an actual physical breach of the data center on some level.
With the way Sony has handled this situation, I will be selling my PS3 and games. I'm done with consoles. Any suggestions on a good quality (1500-2000+) gaming laptop? I have a good desktop already for said purposes. No Apple suggestions please. |
Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nylarthotep Here is an interesting quip from Sony's Q & A on their PSN blog about the PSN attack.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/27/qa-1-for-playstation-network-and-qriocity-services/
The question I would like to point you to, is what they are doing to prevent this in the future. They state that they are moving their Data center to a more secure location, which tells me that this hack could have been an actual physical breach of the data center on some level.
With the way Sony has handled this situation, I will be selling my PS3 and games. I'm done with consoles. Any suggestions on a good quality (1500-2000+) gaming laptop? I have a good desktop already for said purposes. No Apple suggestions please.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834200048 granted its an alienware, but it does have an i7-740m and a 5850 gpu. -------------
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Nylarthotep
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.28 15:59:00 -
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I have definitely been considering an Alienware, however due to past experiences with their outsourced tech support, and my own current experiences working in the tech industry with outsourced help desks, I am very hesitant to purchase any dell product.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.04.28 16:59:00 -
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I didn't want that credit card anyway!
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