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Dark Calling Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:38:00 - [1] - Quote I know very well that i am about the get flamed to hell and back for the following post and idea.. But before you do that, please read all the way through and then discuss or hate if you wish.. I think that a new Module should be created exclusively just for a Hulk and the Hulk itself given a completely new fitting slot next to rigs to accommodate it.. The module would be something similar to a Siege module to provide large defensive capabilities when activated.. The Module itself would take a very long time to train for and require a new expensive type of fuel to be present in your cargo hold for the module to work.. This would prevent everyone and his grandma from having the module or even being able to use it effectively.. The reason i think a Module like this is needed for the Hulk is it is well known that Hulks are the most Ganked ship in the game and very expensive to replace.. It is also the best mining ship in the game and any real miner would love to fly one.. But many cant because they know if they do, its just like throwing 200mil out the window.. Mineral prices continue to go up and up because there are less and less of them with miners being killed off left right and center.. Which in turn makes the price of T1 items rise.. The prices of some of the T1 ships in this game on the market have become ridiculous.. Now.. I have all the skills to fly a Hulk pretty well.. I mine and manufacture Ammunition and Ships to pay for my activities in the Militia.. When i first skilled up for a Hulk a few Years ago.. of course i bought one, but it was not long before a Armageddon warped into the belt and ruined my day.. Which is fine.. I just decided never to bother with Hulk again because suicide ganking happens way too often.. So i stick to my not as good or fun to fly Covetor.. I know mining barges recently recieved some buffs.. But it is nowhere near the level needed to defend yourself against a Battleship in a Mining Barge.. Sure a Skiff can do it with the right fit.. But not many Skiffs get ganked.. It is always Hulk.. I can be mining in a Covetor in a belt and an Apoc or Armageddon warps in and does nothing, just warps to a different belt.. Guaranteed to be looking for a Hulk pilot.. This happens daily in many different systems.. This type of thing removes a lot of mining game play.. Because you actually dont want to fly a Hulk for the simple fact you know if you do someone will "Suicide gank" your ship.. Now you can call Miners carebears if you wish.. Thats fine, but the fact is most Miners mine to pay for there PVP and i think it is time to give miners a way to fight back.. Not with guns, but with DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES.. It will make every Apoc and Armageddon out there think twice before attacking a Hulk pilot because if they have this new Defensive Module, Concord will destroy them before they make a dent.. Which i think would be a great addition to the game.. Anyway, this thread is long enough.. This is just what i think about it.. Suicide ganking should not be so common that it actually effects the market and the entire playerbase.. I wont even Mention GOONS.. Because i really dont need too... [HATE SHIELD ACTIVATED] [SHIELDS AT 100%] Failure Is Not Falling Down.. Failure Is Refusing To Get Back Up
smokess Selective Hearing 32	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:42:00 - [2] - Quote Did you completely miss the barge update? Hulks mine the most and are supposed to have the lowest defensive capability of the three barge classes.
Jax Bederen Dark Horse RM 162	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:45:00 - [3] - Quote Yea, well just put your flame retardant suit on for now.
Dark Calling Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:49:00 - [4] - Quote smokess wrote: Did you completely miss the barge update? Hulks mine the most and are supposed to have the lowest defensive capability of the three barge classes. I understand this.. But like i said, Hulk is the most ganked Barge/Ship in the entire game.. So why not give Hulk the Defensive capabilities, its the main mining ship that definitely needs it and is actively sought after to be destroyed on a daily basis by every suicide ganker in space.. It may have been buffed a little in yield, but it still does not outweigh the risk of losing it.. It is ganked far to often to be worth it.. Like everyone says in EVE... Its all about Risk v Reward.. And for years now the Risk of using a Hulk is far to high, even now with this buff its just not worth it.. Hulks should be able to defend themselves.. Its been years and millions of Hulk destroyed.. I think it must be time to Adapt defensively and give suicide gankers something to think about.. Instead right now they just warp to a belt with a few cheap T1 guns and modules and click the i win button.. Hulk can not defend itself and should be allowed too.. [SHIELDS AT 99%] Failure Is Not Falling Down.. Failure Is Refusing To Get Back Up
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9325	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:52:00 - [5] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: The Module itself would take a very long time to train for and require a new expensive type of fuel to be present in your cargo hold for the module to work.. This would ~~prevent~~-ácause everyone and his grandma ~~from having~~-áto have the module ~~or even being~~-áand be able to use it effectively.. There you go. Long training time does not make stuff rare, especially in a profession that only has a limited set of skills to train to begin with. It's been tried; it didn't work. Quote: The reason i think a Module like this is needed for the Hulk is it is well known that Hulks are the most Ganked ship in the game and very expensive to replace.. It is also the best mining ship in the game and any real miner would love to fly one.. But many cant because they know if they do, its just like throwing 200mil out the window. Actually, as it happens, Hulks are not the best mining ships in the game any more GÇö in fact, none of them are GÇö and the Hulk's weakness is entirely intentional precisely because it's not meant to be the best. Quote: I know mining barges recently recieved some buffs.. But it is nowhere near the level needed to defend yourself against a Battleship in a Mining Barge.. Sure a Skiff can do it with the right fit.. But not many Skiffs get ganked.. It is always Hulk.. Working as intended. Want to be safe behind a wall of HP? Get a skiff. Want something else? Get something else. The Hulk offers yield, and that is it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Sturmwolke 272	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:53:00 - [6] - Quote Why Hulk only? Why not for all mining barges? Why the bias?
ugh zug 39	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:54:00 - [7] - Quote Op, you're posting on the wrong forum. Also mining barges and exhumers have gotten all the love they will in the next 5 years with the last patch. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil.
Lord Wamphyri Starside Lost 162	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:56:00 - [8] - Quote I suggest you read the notes on the Barge updates again. Specifically, the part where CCP have redefined the roles. The Hulk isn't supposed to be used as a solo ship. If it's defence you're concerned about then use a Skiff. If you want to AFK mine use a Mackinaw. EDIT: Tippia explained it far more eloquently than I did above.. [IMG]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ChrisW73/WampsigFinal.jpg[/IMG]
Dark Calling Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:57:00 - [9] - Quote Sturmwolke wrote: Why Hulk only? Why not for all mining barges? Why the bias? Because Hulk is destroyed the most and actively sought after to be destroyed.. Yet more defense was added to different ships that dont get ganked much at all.. I understand that they are trying to make it so there is no "Best" mining ship and they have given them roles.. I just think Hulk should be the defensive capable one.. Its the most expensive one to replace depending where you are located and like i have said 3 times.... Its the only one that is actually LOOKED FOR to be destroyed on a daily basis... Failure Is Not Falling Down.. Failure Is Refusing To Get Back Up
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9326	Posted - 2012.09.03 07:58:00 - [10] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: Because Hulk is destroyed the most and actively sought after to be destroyed.. Yet more defense was added to different ships that dont get ganked much at all.. GÇªso that there is a reason to pick that ship instead of a Hulk. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Sturmwolke 272	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:01:00 - [11] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: Sturmwolke wrote: Why Hulk only? Why not for all mining barges? Why the bias? Because Hulk is destroyed the most and actively sought after to be destroyed.. Yet more defense was added to different ships that dont get ganked much at all.. Is that before or after the mining barge change? Whats the population for ice belts and mining belts now?
Dark Calling Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:05:00 - [12] - Quote Tippia wrote: Dark Calling wrote: Because Hulk is destroyed the most and actively sought after to be destroyed.. Yet more defense was added to different ships that dont get ganked much at all.. GÇªso that there is a reason to pick that ship instead of a Hulk. But why should it be like that? These Suicide Gankers should not be so common in space that it dictates so many things.. Its effecting the market, prices, playerbase and is too easy to accomplish.. The whole idea of being able to "Suicide Gank" defeats the purpose of many things in the EVE universe and takes away from the realism aspect.. Im not saying it shouldnt be in the game.. Im just saying there NEEDS to be more ways to defend AGAINST it.. It being so commonly done now is taking the game down a wrong path.. Atleast in my eyes.. Failure Is Not Falling Down.. Failure Is Refusing To Get Back Up
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9326	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:10:00 - [13] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: But why should it be like that? Because it's good design. Quote: Im just saying there NEEDS to be more ways to defend AGAINST it.. There are tons of ways to defend against it. People never use them, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 950	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:12:00 - [14] - Quote My Hulk with a fleet booster already has over 40k EHP on the lowest resists. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/TauCabalander/New-EHP-Hulk.png [Hulk, EHP] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Internal Force Field Array I Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Thermic Dissipation Field II EM Ward Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone II x5
Mukuro Gravedigger Republic University Minmatar Republic 19	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:15:00 - [15] - Quote Unfortunately, instead of the players adapting, CCP adapted the game to the players. During the height of Hulkaggeddon, I trained skilled to adapt my Hulk to a more combat defensive orientated role. I invested both ISK and time to deter gankers from blasting my ship. But since others did not bother since they wanted the maximum bang for their buck, their ships were getting destroyed, forum posts ensued while Goons boasted about pay-offs, CCP altered mining barges to accommodate the unchanging miners and swing the tide back to safety. So once again, I am behind since I took it upon myself to protect when I could have bidden my time and gotten the golden egg like everyone else.
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:16:00 - [16] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: Tippia wrote: Dark Calling wrote: Because Hulk is destroyed the most and actively sought after to be destroyed.. Yet more defense was added to different ships that dont get ganked much at all.. GÇªso that there is a reason to pick that ship instead of a Hulk. But why should it be like that? These Suicide Gankers should not be so common in space that it dictates so many things.. Its effecting the market, prices, playerbase and is too easy to accomplish.. The whole idea of being able to "Suicide Gank" defeats the purpose of many things in the EVE universe and takes away from the realism aspect.. Im not saying it shouldnt be in the game.. Im just saying there NEEDS to be more ways to defend AGAINST it.. It being so commonly done now is taking the game down a wrong path.. Atleast in my eyes.. Your thread is a joke right? I mean you did read the dev blogs on CCP's ideas behind the Barge changes. But then if you did you would never have posted this. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Ifly Uwalk Empire Tax Collection Agency 299	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:18:00 - [17] - Quote This is the most phail thread I have seen in ages on this forum or any other. Anywhere. On the entire internet. And Tipps must have way too much time on his hands to reply more than once to this crap. vOv
Dark Calling Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:20:00 - [18] - Quote Tippia wrote: Dark Calling wrote: But why should it be like that? Because it's good design. Quote: Im just saying there NEEDS to be more ways to defend AGAINST it.. There are tons of ways to defend against it. People never use them, though. So what happens when Prices in high sec continue to rise as they are doing now.. Every item becoming increasingly expensive daily.. New players will find it even harder to get started and perhaps not bother... Regular players will get frustrated and EVE will continue down a bad path.. While these Suiciders continue to Destroy the manufacturers of these items and increasing the prices on them even more.. At some point Defensive Capabilities for miners will go from just a discussion like right now on what needs to be done or what shouldnt happen.. To something that has to happen ASAP.. Failure Is Not Falling Down.. Failure Is Refusing To Get Back Up
Khanh'rhh 1662	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:21:00 - [19] - Quote I didn't think it possible, but you've gone and made a "waaaaaa buff the Hulk!" thread right after a massive buff. Quote: It being so commonly done now is taking the game down a wrong path.. Atleast in my eyes.. CCP disagree. So does everyone else. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:25:00 - [20] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: Tippia wrote: Dark Calling wrote: But why should it be like that? Because it's good design. Quote: Im just saying there NEEDS to be more ways to defend AGAINST it.. There are tons of ways to defend against it. People never use them, though. So what happens when Prices in high sec continue to rise as they are doing now.. Every item becoming increasingly expensive daily.. New players will find it even harder to get started and perhaps not bother... Regular players will get frustrated and EVE will continue down a bad path.. While these Suiciders continue to Destroy the manufacturers of these items and increasing the prices on them even more.. At some point Defensive Capabilities for miners will go from just a discussion like right now on what needs to be done or what shouldnt happen.. To something that has to happen ASAP.. All of your assumptions are incorrect and in fact opposite of what will happen. Hulks fit for max mining will continue to be suicide ganked and that is as it is designed to be by CCP. But you are not at the mercy of the gankers any more. I take that back you are most miners are not. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Dark Calling Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:31:00 - [21] - Quote [SHIELDS AT 10% AND FALLING] I understand what you are all saying... But i still believe the prices in High Sec will continue to rise making it much harder for everyone there.. Due to manaufacturing of Modules and Ships happening less and less.. Thats all i have left to say... Fly safe.. o7 Failure Is Not Falling Down.. Failure Is Refusing To Get Back Up
Gillia Winddancer Shiny Noble Crown Services 58	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:35:00 - [22] - Quote Ain't it amazing that despite having the option to choose a safe mining barge, people still ignore this option and cry foul at the same time? Were I to be Charles Darwin I would point out in a dry voice that "this fellow will be rejected by nature".
Khanh'rhh 1662	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:37:00 - [23] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: I understand what you are all saying... Sorry, but this is not the case. If you did, you wouldn't have made the thread as you wouldn't have seen it as an issue Quote: But i still believe the prices in High Sec will continue to rise making it much harder for everyone there This is demonstrably false, given the large increase in people mining since the buff. They also are largely going it in cheaper and tankier ships. EvE is about risk:reward, and you completely **** on that when you make the "best" also the "safest". - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9328	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:38:00 - [24] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: So what happens when Prices in high sec continue to rise as they are doing now. The same thing that always happens: the market adjusts. Oh, and the current prices have very little to do with the occasional Hulk getting blown upGÇª Quote: At some point Defensive Capabilities for miners will go from just a discussion like right now on what needs to be done or what shouldnt happen. GÇªand that point was Inferno 1.2, when the defensive capabilities of miners were massively buffed. If you choose not to make use of it or any of the myriad of other ways to keep your ship safe, it blows up. This is as it should be. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Herr Hammer Draken Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 96	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:38:00 - [25] - Quote And all of the gankers said that there will be no more ganking in high sec and that all miners will be safe in high sec after the inferno 1.2 patch. They completely failed to take into account the nature of people. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2389	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:48:00 - [26] - Quote Dark Calling wrote: Sturmwolke wrote: Why Hulk only? Why not for all mining barges? Why the bias? Because Hulk is destroyed the most and actively sought after to be destroyed.. Yet more defense was added to different ships that dont get ganked much at all.. I understand that they are trying to make it so there is no "Best" mining ship and they have given them roles.. I just think Hulk should be the defensive capable one.. Its the most expensive one to replace depending where you are located and like i have said 3 times.... Its the only one that is actually LOOKED FOR to be destroyed on a daily basis... So you say you understand that the changes were made so that there would be no "best" mining barge, and that they should each have different roles. So if we make the Hulk the one that should be the defensive capable one, that means that it's yield must in turn be reduced to the level of the Skiff... and vice versa. Otherwise we would be right back where we started with the Hulk being the undisputed best barge and all others pointless. What was your point again...? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Shalua Rui FEROX AQUILA 3885	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:49:00 - [27] - Quote As a miner... no words. Ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!
Lord Wamphyri Starside Lost 162	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:53:00 - [28] - Quote Shalua Rui wrote: As a miner... no words. This, exactly... Is it any wonder that those of us that like to mine, and actually make the effort to be aware of our surroundings to defend ourselves, get so much flak? [IMG]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/ChrisW73/WampsigFinal.jpg[/IMG]
TheGunslinger42 Bite Me inc Elysian Empire 350	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:55:00 - [29] - Quote tl;dr mining barges - including the hulk - already got ridiculous buffs. They don't need any more. If anything they need a bit of a nerf.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 9329	Posted - 2012.09.03 08:55:00 - [30] - Quote Herr Hammer Draken wrote: And all of the ~~gankers~~-áminers said that there will be no more ganking in high sec and that all miners will be safe in high sec after the inferno 1.2 patch. They completely failed to take into account the nature of people. There you go. All fixed. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.

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