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Posted - 2011.05.02 03:58:00 -
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Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
See: Germany, 1942-1944
Heh. True. Still, I am calling BS on his death, until they can affirm the identity.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cephelange du'Krevviq
Originally by: Alpheias Can't wait for when the US military decides to go after Christian targets.
His religious affiliation had as much to do with his being targeted as his facial hair did.
While that is debatable, but basically, to draw the wrath of the world it either takes megalomania or religion or both.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alpheias on 02/05/2011 04:18:55
Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Still, I am calling BS on his death, until they can affirm the identity.
I expect many people around the world are waiting for the hard evidence. Even so, I doubt they would announce something like this unless it was true, mostly because it would be subject to such a high level of scrutiny.
I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias I recall the Bush administration announcing that a certain dictator in Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction and harbored Terrorists, including members of al-Qaeda....
Touche. I won't go into what I think of the previous administration, but I will point out a large difference: Bush only thought said Iraqi dictator had WMD's. This time, we have the evidence; we have the body as proof. It would be stupid of Obama to announce we took down Bin Laden without having confirmed the corpse's identity beyond a doubt.
I agree with you on that. But I am waiting for the identify of said corpse to be confirmed before I write Bin Laden off.
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
And I am not too happy about the whole principle "an eye for an eye" here.
And if the guy is busy trying to gouge out your remaining eye? There's a difference between revenge and security.

Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Wrayeth
Originally by: Alpheias Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
Question: Do you believe criminals should be brought to justice so they can't commit more crimes in the future? So that they are forced to face up to the consequences of their actions?
Sure. But I don't believe in a juridical system where the "Eye for an eye" principle rules supreme (case in point, the eerie ease some courts in the US sentences people left and right to death).
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Posted - 2011.05.02 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: ChaeDoc II Americans are probably in more danger now than they were 2 days ago. Maybe they should have been delivering him food and stuff to make sure he was comfortable... you know, for security's sake.
I can only think her point was that it won't change things much and she might be right or even increase retaliation strikes for a short term, but there really wasn't alternatives to this. When someone is actively plotting to kill you, you have the right to kill him by self defence justification alone. Outside personal beliefs of a few fringe individuals there isn't going to be anyone who has serious objections to this outcome.
You are right on that it won't really change much since the term 'war on terror' is now thrown around so loosely and it seems, just seems, to me that you don't need much anymore to call on military action against a country other than suspecting harboring of terrorists and whatnot (or wanting their oil).
Sure, if someone is actively plotting to kill you, but how many is actually plotting to kill you, the individual that wrote the above? A terrorist attack is hardly meant to specifically target individuals but rather places and areas where people gather to deliver the maximum effect of shock, fear and horror with massive collateral damage (lives, buildings etc)
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Posted - 2011.05.02 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gothikia Congratulations to all! On NBC news, a NY fireman who survived that day had the following quote, "The face of evil, is dead." Couldn't have summed it up better myself.
The podding of the decade!
Muppet quote of the century too!
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Posted - 2011.05.02 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Originally by: Alpheias
Then I ask you, how much more secure was USA before his death and how much more secure is USA going to be now after his death?
How secure is anyone who sits on their thumbs and waits for their enemy to attack?
The US and many countries worldwide have been dismantling Al Qaeda and killing off its leadership. The Jasmine Revolutions have shown Al Qaeda to be a non-player. If Al Qaeda cannot mount any kind of meaningful retaliation to avenge the loss of their leader, then Al Qaeda isn't going to have any credibility left.
I don't think Osama the martyr is going to bring in as many recruits and funding as a living breathing Osama "Defying the West for 10+ Years" bin Laden.
Also, don't forget that Pakistan has nukes and a government being threatened by extremists such as Al Qaeda. A stable Pakistan is in interests of US security.
Exactly what are you trying to say? I am seeing words but little coherency.
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Posted - 2011.05.02 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Astenion The first idiot conspiracy theorist who claims it's fake gets throat punched.
I am calling it fake until his identity has been confirmed, because the picture of him that is floating around now kinda looks like someone that took a grenade in the face or finnish people drinking (yes, they drink that much, icelandic has nothing on them!)
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