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Musashi IV	Posted - 2011.05.04 09:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Musashi IV on 04/05/2011 09:15:55 You are using the real world to influence PLEX prices in game. If you want to help someone, set up a real world charity. The PLEX market has not settled down from your last PLEX for Good. Now thier will be players buying up as many PLEX as they can and the prices will go over 400 mil. Before your last PLEX for Good the prices were at about 330 mil. If you want to use PLEX for your charity at least fix the in game price for PLEX. I am all for charities. I give to many charities but CPP you produce this game and you make money everytime someone buys PLEX. Dont you think it is a conflict of interest everytime you have a PLEX for Good. Why dont you just set up an Item Store!!
GIGAR Caldari	Posted - 2011.05.04 09:21:00 - [2] inb4 CCP locks this thread because of "trolling" (because apparently, we can't talk about such relevant subjects) (yes, I do realize the irony in this post) Also, I agree with Musashi IV. ------------ "I've yet to meet one that can outsmart bullet." - Heavy Weapons Guy
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.05.04 09:25:00 - [3] They've decided to send them to America. Apart from closing the program completely I think they have done plenty to make sure as few PLEX get diverted to charity. Maybe you want to add in some Botting For PLEX For Good hysteria to go with it? Though frankly I agree, there are far too many ways to donate money to charity. Even once you donate to CCP they're only going to donate to another charity. Somebody has to pay for all these middle men, charity is really big business these days. At least CCP don't seem to be running a clandestine Christian charity, they're about the worst kind these days.
Rex Garvin	Posted - 2011.05.04 10:39:00 - [4] I agree with you. If CCP needs the money they should start up a Item Store.
Aston Martin DB5	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:17:00 - [5] Hey guys, see if you can figure this out.... "Any time Detroit scores more than 100 points and holds the other team below 100 points they almost always win." --Doug Collins
Bart Loop NeoCom Industries	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:25:00 - [6] ibtl
Telvani Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:26:00 - [7] It annoys me how much CCP seek to inflate plex prices. They should keep a constant value of 30 days of game time nothing more, nothing less. Let the market sort itself out and if too many rich kids who haven't trivialised making ISK ingame flood the market that is their own fault. This is something I will not quit eve over (unless it becomes direct) but if it gets too expensive it may not be worth keeping a 2nd account on plex for me
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:26:00 - [8] Originally by: Musashi IV Edited by: Musashi IV on 04/05/2011 09:15:55 You are using the real world to influence PLEX prices in game. If you want to help someone, set up a real world charity. The PLEX market has not settled down from your last PLEX for Good. Now thier will be players buying up as many PLEX as they can and the prices will go over 400 mil. Before your last PLEX for Good the prices were at about 330 mil. If you want to use PLEX for your charity at least fix the in game price for PLEX. I am all for charities. I give to many charities but CPP you produce this game and you make money everytime someone buys PLEX. Dont you think it is a conflict of interest everytime you have a PLEX for Good. Why dont you just set up an Item Store!! Whilst I agree with you about PLEX prices there do appear to a few rather MAJOR things you have missed. One, CCP do not set the price of PLEX, if they go up it is because of the greed and selfish behaviour of PLEX sellers or those bastards that buy them up en masse. Secondly CCP made it very, very clear that they make ZERO profit from the PLEX that are donated to these causes. In fact if I remember rightly CCP were doing a matching scheme where they basically doubled the total donation from their own pockets. So there really is no conflict of interest at all, plenty of business run a similar model when it comes to charitable donations, just look at all the "products" available where a percentage of the sale of that product to a charity. In fact, go and google "RED" products so you can see what I mean. I should also point out that I am a PLEX user, and rely on PLEX in order to play EVE, so rising PLEX prices hit me hard. And yet I will still be donating one myself. I think you should sit down and think what your issues REALLY are.
Discrodia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:31:00 - [9] Shut up with these goddamn PLEX threads! Go talk about it in the market if you want to *** about prices! Originally by:** anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:31:00 - [10] LOL of course CCP make money from plex, It's a business and no business on this planet does anything for free. Agreeing with OP though, PLEX should be a set price. However I hate charitys, you never really know where your money goes and as always theres someone making profit......somewhere.

Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:36:00 - [11] Originally by: TriadSte LOL of course CCP make money from plex, It's a business and no business on this planet does anything for free. Agreeing with OP though, PLEX should be a set price. However I hate charitys, you never really know where your money goes and as always theres someone making profit......somewhere. CCP DOES NOT MAKE MONEY FROM PLEX. Is that really too difficult for you to understand? How about I draw some nice pictures for you? Maybe get the characters from Sesame Street to explain it in colourful song and dance? As for charities making a profit, yes some do and they pretty much have to detail every single penny they get and spend, by law. What you don't like is giving anyone any money, it's got nothing to do with the charities themselves, but rather than admit you are a selfish human being, you lay blame elsewhere. Grow some nuts and stop blaming other people for your shortcomings.
Sealiah Minmatar Coffee Lovers Brewing Club ROMANIAN-LEGION	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:36:00 - [12] Why should plex be a set price? I personally think my RL money is worth quite a lot compared to isk, a game currency. Keep it as it is, people can help others (real living people) by playing the game it self, that's GOOD, not bad.
Julienne Poirier Gallente Nonya Endeavours	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:37:00 - [13] CCP can only write off so much charitable donations during a tax year? btw where my first attempt at this post go?
Julienne Poirier Gallente Nonya Endeavours	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys CCP DOES NOT MAKE MONEY FROM PLEX. Is that really too difficult for you to understand? How about I draw some nice pictures for you? Maybe get the characters from Sesame Street to explain it in colourful song and dance? can i have some pictures explaining that?
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Julienne Poirier CCP can only write off so much charitable donations during a tax year? btw where my first attempt at this post go? I have it. If you want it back you have to pay 10 million isk.
TriadSte Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys CCP DOES NOT MAKE MONEY FROM PLEX. Is that really too difficult for you to understand? How about I draw some nice pictures for you? Maybe get the characters from Sesame Street to explain it in colourful song and dance? Right so : Your telling me that CCP sell game codes to providers such as shattered crystal and makes no profit? How deluded are you? lol
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:44:00 - [17] Originally by: Julienne Poirier CCP can only write off so much charitable donations during a tax year? btw where my first attempt at this post go? LMAO, and you really think the selfish bastards in this game will donate enough that CCP will exceed that limit? I think you over-estimate the kindness of most people. As for your first post attempt, these forums have had a nasty habit of swallowing posts for years. Just switch to a decent browser.
Julienne Poirier Gallente Nonya Endeavours	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:46:00 - [18] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Originally by: Julienne Poirier CCP can only write off so much charitable donations during a tax year? btw where my first attempt at this post go? LMAO, and you really think the selfish bastards in this game will donate enough that CCP will exceed that limit? I think you over-estimate the kindness of most people. As for your first post attempt, these forums have had a nasty habit of swallowing posts for years. Just switch to a decent browser. you're right on the charity, $3k was the plex for japan? and i'll switch from chrome asap.
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:47:00 - [19] Originally by: TriadSte Originally by: Aeronwen Carys CCP DOES NOT MAKE MONEY FROM PLEX. Is that really too difficult for you to understand? How about I draw some nice pictures for you? Maybe get the characters from Sesame Street to explain it in colourful song and dance? Right so : Your telling me that CCP sell game codes to providers such as shattered crystal and makes no profit? How deluded are you? lol Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer, though since this thread was about PLEX donated to charity I would have thought my meaning was clear. CCP make no profit from the PLEX given to charity as they convert those BACK into real money, add a bit of their own money, and then give THAT to the charity. What they are actually doing is LOSING money for every PLEX that is donated. Now do you understand? I've got Bert and Ernie, Big Bird and The Count on hold just in case.
Florestan Bronstein Test Alliance Please Ignore	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer, though since this thread was about PLEX donated to charity I would have thought my meaning was clear. CCP make no profit from the PLEX given to charity as they convert those BACK into real money, add a bit of their own money, and then give THAT to the charity. What they are actually doing is LOSING money for every PLEX that is donated. Now do you understand? I've got Bert and Ernie, Big Bird and The Count on hold just in case. (1) PLEX for charity (2) higher PLEX price (3) PLEX more attractive relative to RMT (4) Profit! filled in the "???" for you

Majid Al'Amarr	Posted - 2011.05.04 11:57:00 - [21] Two things, CCP collects the plex donated by players and takes the cash purchase price of the plex and donates that to the red cross, therefore all money from plex goes to charity. Indeed given that ccp administers the collection etc they would actually make a small loss on the deal. Secondly, all donations are made on behalf of the players of Eve so no tax break to CCP.
Joe Phoenix The Commonwealth Federation	Posted - 2011.05.04 12:02:00 - [22] IS this the company in death roles?
Aeronwen Carys Empire of Dust	Posted - 2011.05.04 12:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer, though since this thread was about PLEX donated to charity I would have thought my meaning was clear. CCP make no profit from the PLEX given to charity as they convert those BACK into real money, add a bit of their own money, and then give THAT to the charity. What they are actually doing is LOSING money for every PLEX that is donated. Now do you understand? I've got Bert and Ernie, Big Bird and The Count on hold just in case. (1) PLEX for charity (2) higher PLEX price (3) PLEX more attractive relative to RMT (4) Profit! filled in the "???" for you Again, in very. plain. English. PLEX price set by player. Player control market. Player charge price. Understand? CCP making money "extra" money from PLEX is a by-product, one I'm sure they are happy to have, and it probably does put a tiny weeny dent in the profits of say, one or two RMT companies. However if you think that a small rise in PLEX prices once or twice a year is going to make any major or lasting difference, I would say you are a fool. And that relatively small and very fleeting change in PLEX price is NEVER going to be able to compete with RMT, ever. Why do you think CCP takes RMT and the like so seriously? I suggest you go and fill in some of the ??? in your head, it appears to be affecting your judgement.
Katarina reid	Posted - 2011.05.04 12:15:00 - [24] Ive had to cut one account cuz of the plex price increase from ccp's Manipulation. f*** dieing peeps i want cheap gametime
Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.05.04 12:24:00 - [25] CCP Navigator is unhappy with PLEX spam threads. Perhaps in the future he could get CCP to stop starting PLEX spam threads so we didn't have to any reason to keep spamming PLEX threads. Poor 'ickle sausage.
Rascael Mindstar Technology	Posted - 2011.05.04 13:04:00 - [26] Plex price is what people will buy them for. If I am going to take RL cash and invest it for ingame ISK, I am going to want as much as I can get, If you think the price of a plex is too high, don't buy it and fund your account with Real Cash, or alternately... discontinue that account and move on. Isk ingame is Virtual Money with an arbitrary value, try paying your morgage or car payment with it... It comes down to how you make ingame isk and what do you value your time at? Paying real money for an account is generally equivalent to working one hour in a month at a RL Job. So please... More Plex for Whatever drives and 4xx mill isk plexes for sale.
Xavier Isaacson Minmatar Surface Detail	Posted - 2011.05.04 13:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Rascael Plex price is what people will buy them for. If I am going to take RL cash and invest it for ingame ISK, I am going to want as much as I can get, If you think the price of a plex is too high, don't buy it and fund your account with Real Cash, or alternately... discontinue that account and move on. Isk ingame is Virtual Money with an arbitrary value, try paying your morgage or car payment with it... It comes down to how you make ingame isk and what do you value your time at? Paying real money for an account is generally equivalent to working one hour in a month at a RL Job. So please... More Plex for Whatever drives and 4xx mill isk plexes for sale. Don't know where in the world you come from, but in the UK the average hourly wage is still around ú6 p/h, EVE costs ú15 a month. Originally by: Verone BBC Trust are a sack of arses.

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2011.05.04 13:50:00 - [28] Heya Musashi, I'd like to address this part of your post: "I give to many charities but CPP you produce this game and you make money every time someone buys PLEX." Not at all. When a PLEX is donated, 100% of the proceeds is given to charity. If the PLEX is purchased via Euro, we absorb the VAT. We also absorb any fees. This information is provided in our FAQ. Additionally, Doc and I spoke directly to the CSM about the PLEX for Good program during the CSM 5 December summit (notes can be found here). The following may be of interest to you and other persons participating in this thread: Quote: CCP has polled players regarding concerns about this program. One major concern is whether charitable giving causes a significant rise in the ISK value of PLEX. However, CCP statistics on PLEX costs do not appear to show a significant correlation between charity drives and PLEX price increases, and PLEX bought to donate are not a large part of the total volume of PLEX transactions. However, CSM noted that the perception that PLEX can be used for purposes like Charity and FanFest tickets (and thus, there will be greater demand for PLEX) could drive prices upwards due to speculation. The CSM noted that the ôweatherö (short-term effects) should not be confused with the ôclimateö (long-term effects). However, at this time, there is insufficient evidence to warrant serious concern, though if charitable giving significantly expands, this may be a topic that needs to be revisited. CCP emphasized that all donations are made in the name of the EVE Online Community, not CCP. CCP strongly believes in the power and generosity of the EVE community, and views their role as simply making it as easy as possible for them to help others. CCP does not benefit in any way from charitable giving by players. 100% of the value of PLEX donated is passed through to the charity. CCP absorbed all VAT levies, credit card transaction costs, fraud screening expenses, currency conversion charges, and the cost of the time spent by the staff (GM Grimmi) that administered the program. CCP does not receive a tax credit for the donations, since the donation is made in the name of the community. CSM questioned why CCP did not make the donation in their name, receive a tax deduction, and then donate the savings to charity, but apparently the cost of explaining to the Icelandic Tax Vikings why donations of virtual money should warrant a deduction would, at this point in time, cost more than the value of the deductions. In addition, specific aspects of Icelandic tax law would limit the savings that could be obtained. If, however, it does become a win-win for everyone, CCP will consider doing this. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online Contact us

Gavjack Bunk Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2011.05.04 13:55:00 - [29] CCP Fallout plays the CSM Card. Gripping stuff.
Malcanis Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2011.05.04 14:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Xavier Isaacson Originally by: Rascael Plex price is what people will buy them for. If I am going to take RL cash and invest it for ingame ISK, I am going to want as much as I can get, If you think the price of a plex is too high, don't buy it and fund your account with Real Cash, or alternately... discontinue that account and move on. Isk ingame is Virtual Money with an arbitrary value, try paying your morgage or car payment with it... It comes down to how you make ingame isk and what do you value your time at? Paying real money for an account is generally equivalent to working one hour in a month at a RL Job. So please... More Plex for Whatever drives and 4xx mill isk plexes for sale. Don't know where in the world you come from, but in the UK the average hourly wage is still around ú6 p/h, EVE costs ú15 a month. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285 As of last year, median wage for male (we all know there are no wmen in EVE, right?) employees was equivalent to about ú13.50/hr Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.



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