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Hash Arzi
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Posted - 2011.07.14 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hash Arzi on 14/07/2011 21:50:32
I think we can all agree that Minmatar's main "feature" is its speed. On sub-capital ships, this works extremely well as they can get out of unfavorable situations. The problem is applying that ideology to a capital ship. Here's what I suggest:
Carriers are used very often to hot-drop opposing fleets. When the engagement is over, carriers must wait for their capacitor to recharge. Therefore, if the Nidhoggur has a higher base capacitor recharge, it would be able to get out faster. This could also fix some capacitor issues.
Carriers are very important for 0.0 logistics. Since the Minmatar ships are faster than the other races, it should be able to travel further faster. Possibly increasing the jump range could make the Nidhoggur a much more attractive ship.
If the Nidhoggur had both of ideas suggested above, it would be over-powered. The capacitor recharge fixes both problems in my opinion. Pick the best idea and go cry to CCP so they do something about ;)
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.07.14 22:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Headerman
(tirade incoming)Why does the Nid suffer from cap issues anyway? When it comes down to Caldari Vs Minmatar for cap, who uses it more? Both fire cap-less weapons, but one relies on shield resists while the other relies on active tanking (sub cap wise anyway)
Minmatar needs more cap lurve!
Originally by: Hash Arzi
Carriers are used very often to hot-drop opposing fleets. When the engagement is over, carriers must wait for their capacitor to recharge. Therefore, if the Nidhoggur has a higher base capacitor recharge, it would be able to get out faster. This could also fix some capacitor issues.
Okay, this myth has gone on too far. I want to point out something very, very important: All carriers have identical capacitor regen. (60.1 GJ/s with perfect skills.) Because the Nidhoggur and Thanatos share the same slot layout, they will even have identical capacitor generation under the same fit.
The only reason Minmatar are perceived as being capacitor-starved is because they have a smaller capacitor buffer. This means that if they're burning through capacitor faster than they can replenish it, they won't last quite as long. Even then, the difference isn't very significant.
For the record:
Archon: 81093.8
Thanatos: 75000.0
Chimera: 70312.5
Nidhoggur: 65625.0
In practice, this means that the Nidhoggur will be less able to rely on its capacitor buffer to push it through Triage. That is fine. Minmatar are SUPPOSED to have the worst capacitor.
If you want to sustain your carrier for any significant amount of time, there is no difference in capacitor generation beyond how you fit them. All you're missing is the buffer to coast through triage.
For god's sake, Minmatar can't be the best at EVERYTHING. Christ. HTFU.
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.07.14 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
For christ's sake, Minmatar can't be the best at EVERYTHING. HTFU.
My only gripe with my Nidhoggur (apart from the fact that it's not an archon, heh) is that it's way too fast. No troll. It may only be 30-40ms faster than an Archon, but when you're aligning to get out as soon as objective xyz is completed it doesn't take long before you sail out of rep range of the others. And setting your speed at 3/4 of maximum is annoying, deal with it.
If one were to buff the Nid, I'd just give it a bigger bonus to its RR abilities so it actually feels like you gain something. 25% to RR amount feels inconsequential in this time of supercaps.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.07.14 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
If one were to buff the Nid, I'd just give it a bigger bonus to its RR abilities so it actually feels like you gain something. 25% to RR amount feels inconsequential in this time of supercaps.
On this point, we agree. A 5% RR bonus really isn't adequate, especially since repping someone with a 5% resist bonus correlates to a 33% improvement in EHP/s.
7.5%/level would be a perfectly reasonable buff. I would support such a change.
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mxzf
Minmatar
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.07.15 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic
std::string carrier = ( reppingPOS || triageSupportShieldFleet ) ? "Nidhoggur" : "Thanatos";
cout << carrier;
exit(0);
Fixed.
Better. I was thinking this myself:
if repping_pos or triage_support_shield_fleet:
carrier = "Nidhoggur"
else: carrier = "Thanatos"
print carrier
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.07.15 14:01:00 -
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...Forgive me, but I can't seem to come up with a capable shield triage Nidhoggur to save my life. Would you mind enlightening me?
By any chance, are you locally armor tanking it?
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Rania Serlia
Endless Destruction
Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.07.15 16:21:00 -
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I always used double shield, one armor or cap xfer, cap rechargers, dualrep, for shield triage. Works the treat for repping up stations/whatever.
This **** does not have the cpu to shield tank and do shield logistics. But it can armor tank and do them fine(dual xfer, not triple).
This **** does not have the grid to properly do armor tanked armor logistics. You can fit dual armor and a dualrep local tank, but no other capital mod with a triage module.
It's supposed to be the premier logistic carrier FFS. Cap isn't even really the issue, fitting the damn thing is.
Archon can fit dual cap xfer and dual armor with triage, or even quad RR no problems.
Chimera can fit 3x shield xfers and a shield tank no problem.
WTS: Nidhoggur.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.07.15 16:24:00 -
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Agreed again. The Nidhoggur and Chimera could both use a significant CPU increase, and I'd support that change too.
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Disgusting Carebear
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Posted - 2011.07.15 23:13:00 -
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Edited by: Disgusting Carebear on 15/07/2011 23:14:57
Originally by: mxzf
Originally by: Jack Tronic
std::string carrier = ( reppingPOS || triageSupportShieldFleet ) ? "Nidhoggur" : "Thanatos";
cout << carrier;
exit(0);
Fixed.
Better. I was thinking this myself:
if repping_pos or triage_support_shield_fleet:
carrier = "Nidhoggur"
else: carrier = "Thanatos"
print carrier
print ("Thanatos", "Nidhoggur")[reppingPos or triageSupportShieldFleet]
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print "Nidhoggur" if reppingPos or triageSupportShieldFleet else "Thanatos"
fixed!?
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.07.16 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
...Forgive me, but I can't seem to come up with a capable shield triage Nidhoggur to save my life. Would you mind enlightening me?
By any chance, are you locally armor tanking it?
You can do a local shield tank with two transfers if you have a second carrier on the field. You'd fit for capacitor with token local tank (booster, invuln, dcu) and refit from your transfers to a full on hardener setup. It's a lot of hassle compared to stand alone triage like the Archon can do, but it works.
As for giving the Hel a bonus to jump cap, that wouldn't do anything to help the viability of shield supercapitals (not jumping at full HP) which is, even with the uselessness of the Hel, the prominent factor in Aeon online~.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.07.16 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
You can do a local shield tank with two transfers if you have a second carrier on the field. You'd fit for capacitor with token local tank (booster, invuln, dcu) and refit from your transfers to a full on hardener setup. It's a lot of hassle compared to stand alone triage like the Archon can do, but it works.
How exactly are you receiving capacitor while in triage? Sorry if I wasn't specific, but I was speaking with reference to a *triage* Nidhoggur.
Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
As for giving the Hel a bonus to jump cap, that wouldn't do anything to help the viability of shield supercapitals (not jumping at full HP) which is, even with the uselessness of the Hel, the prominent factor in Aeon online~.
That should be fixed too.  Nerf slave-implanted capitals while you're at it.
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.07.16 01:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
How exactly are you receiving capacitor while in triage? Sorry if I wasn't specific, but I was speaking with reference to a *triage* Nidhoggur.
You're not, you are fitting lows and mids with cap modules (best named CPRs and rechargers because of horrid CPU).
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.07.16 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
Originally by: Aamrr
How exactly are you receiving capacitor while in triage? Sorry if I wasn't specific, but I was speaking with reference to a *triage* Nidhoggur.
You're not, you are fitting lows and mids with cap modules (best named CPRs and rechargers because of horrid CPU).
Oh! So the second carrier is for...eww. EWW! That's...that's vile. No thanks. 
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Dr Ming
Mindworks
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Posted - 2011.07.16 08:58:00 -
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The Nidh looks cooler.
Nidh > Thana >>>>>>>>>> Chim > Arch in the looks department.
Can't wait for the ship model revamp to get to the Nidh and take it the scrap-heap look to the new industrial look for minmatar.
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Admiral Tom
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Posted - 2011.07.16 10:42:00 -
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Thanatos without a doubt ...
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Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
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Posted - 2011.07.16 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aamrr
Originally by: Kastsumi Kobayariel
Originally by: Aamrr
How exactly are you receiving capacitor while in triage? Sorry if I wasn't specific, but I was speaking with reference to a *triage* Nidhoggur.
You're not, you are fitting lows and mids with cap modules (best named CPRs and rechargers because of horrid CPU).
Oh! So the second carrier is for...eww. EWW! That's...that's vile. No thanks.
If you are sending a triage Niddy in you have to send a backup carrier.......... so you can scoop the capitol mods from its wreck.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.07.16 14:06:00 -
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long story short nid is best when no tank is required, but repairstrength is vital. It's also one of the better carriers for slightly larger engagement however illogical that may seem.
The thanatos is best when no repair power nor tank is required... Uhm.. For example when.. uhm. moving drones to a remote hub in bulk and you don't have access to freigters or jfs!
Parrots, commence!
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Flynn Fetladral
Caldari
BlackSite Prophecy
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Posted - 2011.07.16 15:16:00 -
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If Minmatar is about mobility then the Nid and the Hel should get a bonus to Jump Drive Calibration and Fuel Efficiency. The Nidhoggurs flexibility is a strength, and a weakness, and the rep bonus makes sense. Not sure so much so on the Hel, but oh well.
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Vialle Shadowflame
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Posted - 2011.07.23 02:01:00 -
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Nidhoggur is inferior in everything that matters. Go with Thanny or Archon.
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