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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:49:00 -
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I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".
lasers kind of just have the lolscifi factor to them, realistic application is sorta gimped unless you count setting lifeboats on fire as a major military achievement.
How is it that minmatar crap tech is somehow more terrifying then a railgun firing ANTIMATTER?
I mean, no... you're doing it wrong.
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Admiral Valdore
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:53:00 -
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lol.
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:53:00 -
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Projectiles shoot anti-matter too. But, as someone else had pointed out, railgun technology by the US Navy, right now, is already more accurate than a standard projectile round is.
But really, you are wishing this game would be just like reality when in fact it takes a couple few years just for the inertia of balance to actually become game reality. I think you probably already know that too.
6/10
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Kiandoshia
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".
lasers kind of just have the lolscifi factor to them, realistic application is sorta gimped unless you count setting lifeboats on fire as a major military achievement.
How is it that minmatar crap tech is somehow more terrifying then a railgun firing ANTIMATTER?
I mean, no... you're doing it wrong.
RL is that way -----> ?
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Eternal Noob
Projectiles shoot anti-matter too. But, as someone else had pointed out, railgun technology by the US Navy, right now, is already more accurate than a standard projectile round is.
But really, you are wishing this game would be just like reality when in fact it takes a couple few years just for the inertia of balance to actually become game reality. I think you probably already know that too.
6/10
Not necessarily reality, but just not stupid.
Even in scifi terms its silly. Antimatter is antimatter. Fired out of a RAIL GUN. How does a physical object transcend that?
It beats everything by default. I mean its so badass you shouldn't even be able to load it into a gun without killing yourself.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:18:00 -
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I will care about RL comparisons when they make an actual 800mm Artillery that fires a round wvery 3.5 secc or so.
Plus you have no idea what a 1400mm howitzer would do IRL. Probably flog a railgun in terms of target devestation
...oh wait
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Shawnm339
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:19:00 -
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its a game dude seriously >>>>>>>> star trek convention that way
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Eternal Noob
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:20:00 -
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Well, you've just shifted your troll argument from "why isn't railguns most-own as a weapons system" to "wow how the hell do even load anti-matter?? how is that reality?". Disgruntled postal workers ftw! 
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I will care about RL comparisons when they make an actual 800mm Artillery that fires a round wvery 3.5 secc or so.
Plus you have no idea what a 1400mm howitzer would do IRL. Probably flog a railgun in terms of target devestation
Well a 1400mm howitzer would blow things apart, yes. It would scary.
A small shell containing antimatter would make large things cease to exist on first impact.
Im not saying it should be that OP ingame but it shouldn't be getting trumped by a howitzer lol
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Shawnm339
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:26:00 -
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if youre wanting to trump stuff go play top trumps card games instead just saying....
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shawnm339
if youre wanting to trump stuff go play top trumps card games instead just saying....
I don't like cards.
When are you going to finish the other half of your tattoo?
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Havak Kouvo
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I will care about RL comparisons when they make an actual 800mm Artillery that fires a round wvery 3.5 secc or so.
Plus you have no idea what a 1400mm howitzer would do IRL. Probably flog a railgun in terms of target devestation
Its funny because there is no degree of understanding in that statement.
As for the OP, well I guess they can change this when someone explains to me how EM damage actually does any damage to anything but shields.
Why projectiles and railguns have anything less than infinite range.
And why my ship insist on "leveling" itself out when in space.
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Shawnm339
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:44:00 -
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when your mum pays for it
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Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".
lasers kind of just have the lolscifi factor to them, realistic application is sorta gimped unless you count setting lifeboats on fire as a major military achievement.
How is it that minmatar crap tech is somehow more terrifying then a railgun firing ANTIMATTER?
I mean, no... you're doing it wrong.
Yes, you are correct - Railguns would basically 1-shot any unshielded ship in the universe. That would make for a very boring game.
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Shawnm339
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:47:00 -
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unless it was the ops to infinity and beyond
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Havak Kouvo
As for the OP, well I guess they can change this when someone explains to me how EM damage actually does any damage to anything but shields.
Why projectiles and railguns have anything less than infinite range.
Have you seen what microwaves can do to metal? Are you aware that aluminium refineries use electricity to smelt the aluminium? Pump enough electricity into anything - even by induction - and something will happen.
Turret weapons have less than infinite range due to tracking and aiming issues. Sure, the projectile or ray will continue to infinity, but with no accuracy, thus infinitesimal chance of hitting anything. This is simulated ingame by optimal, falloff, and tracking speed.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".
Artillery still trumps railguns in terms of firing at will, firing more than one round during the lifetime of the weapon, being able to hit combat targets, and being ready to fire without two days of preparation. At this point in time, there are no known weaponised railguns on the planet. There have been plenty of experiments though, which have shown that the technology is about ten to twenty years away from being field-deployable.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.05 23:00:00 -
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Meh. If Eve ships can bounce off of each other without damage and without plastering the crew against the bulkheads, then RL railgun rounds (or any other kinetic impact weapon) would have zero effect on Eve ships.
Besides, if Eve railguns worked the same as RL railguns, you wouldn't have non-magnetic lead rounds. Nor would the round type have a such dramatic effect on range or capacitor use as Eve rounds do.
Then there's the problem that Eve turrets (project, railgun, whatever) hit instantly, which means the rounds are traveling faster than the speed of light.
Never mind that Eve can mass-produce and safely use anti-matter rounds, but yet anti-matter isn't the uber weapon that it should be. (Why would you need other ammo types if you have anti-matter?)
Eve physics aren't based on anything even remotely scientific.
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Catherine Airuta
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Posted - 2011.05.05 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Havak Kouvo
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I will care about RL comparisons when they make an actual 800mm Artillery that fires a round wvery 3.5 secc or so.
Plus you have no idea what a 1400mm howitzer would do IRL. Probably flog a railgun in terms of target devestation
Its funny because there is no degree of understanding in that statement.
As for the OP, well I guess they can change this when someone explains to me how EM damage actually does any damage to anything but shields.
Why projectiles and railguns have anything less than infinite range.
And why my ship insist on "leveling" itself out when in space.
You do realise that a laser is EM radiation don't you? Lasers can cause physical damage to something.
As for the rest, EVE is not a space simulator, is a spaceship submarine simulator. Space in EVE behaves the same way as water does to submarines.
It is just a game balance issue. Real life space physics simulation does not work well with a MMO like EVE.
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Twisted Xistance
unholy alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.05 23:54:00 -
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pttf to hybrids, pttf to projectiles and pttf to lasers
I hereby demand an Imperial navy Particle cannon II
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Twisted Xistance
unholy alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.05 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux
Meh. If Eve ships can bounce off of each other without damage and without plastering the crew against the bulkheads, then RL railgun rounds (or any other kinetic impact weapon) would have zero effect on Eve ships.
wrong.... thats like saying if throwing a brick at something doesnt penetrate it then surely firing a bullet at it cant
think point of impact
The impact of an artillery shell or bullet is a massive amount of kinetic energy conecntrated on a small point of surface area
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Kuronaga
Edited by: Kuronaga on 05/05/2011 22:18:35
How does a physical object fired out of a duck taped pirate cannon transcend that?
It's duct taped.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chopper Rollins
Originally by: Kuronaga
Edited by: Kuronaga on 05/05/2011 22:18:35
How does a physical object fired out of a duck taped pirate cannon transcend that?
It's duct taped.
That's what she said.
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Wilhelm Riley
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chopper Rollins
It's duct taped.
Or is it?
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:28:00 -
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What does more damage?
An itty-bitty hole going all the way through a structure?
Or a great big hole going half way through a structure?
You be the judge.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:34:00 -
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Ok who set this thread to dumb?
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Klymer
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:42:00 -
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The main "problem" I see with railguns in EVE is that they only do two types of damage, Thermal and Kinetic, no matter what ammo they are firing.
The standard projectile weapons on the other hand can do any of the four types of damage depending on what ammo they use and thus can potentially "hit harder" than railguns.
Throw the different armor and shield upgrades, hardeners, boosters, amplifiers or whatever into the mix and things get fun.
In "modern terms", meaning real life, yes rail guns are going to be a major upgrade over standard projectile weapons. They shoot projectiles at higher velocities and longer distances so what's not to love?
Of course we haven't "officially" developed shielding technology yet so enjoy things while they last.
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Khanya Trace
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:48:00 -
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Edited by: Khanya Trace on 06/05/2011 00:48:58
good idea, lets make railguns realistic.
They hit 5 times as hard as Arty now.
They also melt down after 2 shots.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Klymer
The main "problem" I see with railguns in EVE is that they only do two types of damage, Thermal and Kinetic, no matter what ammo they are firing.
The standard projectile weapons on the other hand can do any of the four types of damage depending on what ammo they use and thus can potentially "hit harder" than railguns.
Throw the different armor and shield upgrades, hardeners, boosters, amplifiers or whatever into the mix and things get fun.
In "modern terms", meaning real life, yes rail guns are going to be a major upgrade over standard projectile weapons. They shoot projectiles at higher velocities and longer distances so what's not to love?
Of course we haven't "officially" developed shielding technology yet so enjoy things while they last.
Antimatter shouldn't even be a damage type.
It should be the opposite of a damage type.
If any known damage type made contact with antimatter, it would turn that damage type inside out and send it through a black hole that leads to france.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:50:00 -
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guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?
a normal star destroyer
which one wins?
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?
a normal star destroyer
which one wins?
Seen as a normal star destroyer can't track a millenium falcon heading to the left a bit, I'm going for the borg cube thing.
...oh wait
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Joe Phoenix
The Commonwealth Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:13:00 -
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Yes you are completely right, they are the most powerful weapons out of all the weapons, but do the least damage?
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?
a normal star destroyer
which one wins?
All the star destroyer has going for it are its lasers, which I assume the borg would adapt to.
If it was a super star destroyer i would say the excessive mass and spear-like shape at least gives it the opportunity to ram the cube resulting in a double KO, but with a normal star destroyer I don't think this is a valid option.
nah, gonna have to say the cube takes it.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:25:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Phoenix
Yes you are completely right, they are the most powerful weapons out of all the weapons, but do the least damage?
Your single comment just completely de-legitamized my entire argument.
Thanks.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:25:00 -
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i figured the cube would win too
also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
i figured the cube would win too
also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space
Yea, it's a pretty messed up advantage.
I think the real crunch comes when you put a sith lord on board the cube and see if he can solo it.
There's the issue of lightsabers being adapted to, but I don't think the borg adapt to lightning, exactly.
or failing that, getting choked.
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Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar
Surface Detail
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:36:00 -
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Snoopy, armed with a stick. /game
Originally by: Verone
BBC Trust are a sack of arses.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Xavier Isaacson
Snoopy, armed with a stick. /game
I wonder about that.
Can dogs be assimilated?
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Zaveed
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Posted - 2011.05.06 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?
a normal star destroyer
which one wins?
Normal borg cube, tactical cube, fusion cube variants, or the Supercube?
Anyway, modern railguns also require a power generator the size of a large truck. Besides, it's a video game. Not reality. How else could you hear the sound of your ship exploding?
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s666ss666ss666
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Posted - 2011.05.06 02:37:00 -
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in-pod audio simulation for enhanced tactical awareness.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.05.06 02:39:00 -
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Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?
So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?
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Klymer
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Posted - 2011.05.06 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kuronaga
Antimatter shouldn't even be a damage type.
It's not a damage type, it's an ammo type, so your post doestmatter
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
borg would have an edge until the Replicators showed up. The Replicators would eat the mechanical implants right off the Borg drones leaving useless chunks of flesh behind.
Originally by: Rohnda
Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?
So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?
The railguns became effective at the same time the autocannons and artillery did
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2011.05.06 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".
Artillery still trumps railguns in terms of firing at will, firing more than one round during the lifetime of the weapon, being able to hit combat targets, and being ready to fire without two days of preparation. At this point in time, there are no known weaponised railguns on the planet. There have been plenty of experiments though, which have shown that the technology is about ten to twenty years away from being field-deployable.
So since EVE is hundreds of years in the future of man and railguns are only ten to twenty years away, we should of mastered the railgun tech by time we found the EVEGATE and flew millions of light years away from earth.
Rails and blasters should be more powerful than projectiles. They take massive amounts of cap, do two of the most heavily tanked damage types and have the biggest drawbacks for weapon class. They are also RAILGUNS!!!!! I don't know how many of you ever played BATTLETECH, but gauss rifles are basically the best weapon in that game as they should be. A rail gun is a gauss rifle, CCP needs to bring them back inline.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2011.05.06 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
A shadow battlecrab would kill them both in one shot.
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TImora Fosty
Solar Pride
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Posted - 2011.05.06 06:31:00 -
[47]
Kuronaga flies Rokh, that explains everything (=
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Dorian Wylde
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Posted - 2011.05.06 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Havak Kouvo
Why projectiles and railguns have anything less than infinite range.
And why my ship insist on "leveling" itself out when in space.
They do have infinite range. But beyond 2nd or 3rd falloff, it's damn near impossible to hit a moving target. Yes, theoretically that should mean you should get to shoot at stations from 250km away with any projectile weapon, but it's a game. Get over it.
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Nikki Sanderson
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
i figured the cube would win too
also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space
If by chance the star destroyer would neglect to have shields up, maybe. Also, the borg have never, ever displayed tactics like venting their enemies into space, why would they start when fighting a star destroyer?
Still, just take a look at official power levels of trek and wars ships and technology in the various canon sources and you'll see that wars level technology ****s trek technology, badly and without lube. I mean, boba fett's trashy little ship's reactor puts out more power than the freaking enterprise's. 
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:19:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Nikki Sanderson
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
i figured the cube would win too
also the borg have transporters so they'd just beam over, assimilate the bridge crew, and vent the rest of the ship to space
If by chance the star destroyer would neglect to have shields up, maybe. Also, the borg have never, ever displayed tactics like venting their enemies into space, why would they start when fighting a star destroyer?
Still, just take a look at official power levels of trek and wars ships and technology in the various canon sources and you'll see that wars level technology ****s trek technology, badly and without lube. I mean, boba fett's trashy little ship's reactor puts out more power than the freaking enterprise's.
Oh dear god he's taking it seriously 
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Zofe Stormcaller
B4D W0LF
-Mostly Harmless-
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:45:00 -
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The borg cube would win but before it can dock, Pandemic Legion will spam it with invites so it can't dock, then warp a machariel to 0 on it through the station so it gets a 8000m/s bump away from the station. Then it gets hot dropped.
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ChromeStriker
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: ChromeStriker on 06/05/2011 09:50:19
Think about it just a sec a 1400mm double barrel artillery cannon firing nuclear warheads x8.... not taking into account new materials n sci-fi techno amazingness... that many modern neuc's that size could quite happily reduce a county... let alone a tiny weeny ship!
As for rail weapons... well theyÆre solid slug kinetic weapons that will make a pretty big hole in pretty much anything. an antimatter slug would if anything make a smaller hole but pass through anything including small moons...
In space (not our fishbowl of eve) it wouldnÆt be a far reach of the imagination that new propellants could get an artillery round going as fast as a rail round or at least close too. Of course rail weapons could prob get close to the speed of light with no friction and god knows what power system throwing the slugs.
To Conclude this is sci-fi we can travel faster that light and fit battleships in cruisers, weapon damage n all this stuff is *EASY* to explain away lol
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Radix Salvilines
The Gummy Bears
Blue Meanies
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:52:00 -
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antimatter in slugs is contained in special magnetic vacuum filled space. And there is only a small amount of it.
It is sci-fi - and you may interpret it whatever you want it to.
One may also say that antimatter is being teleported from the firing ship to the slug when it hits the target... because why not?
We do not know what science will bring in 10, 50 years and eve is meant to be thousands of years away. Really someone may invent magic by then.
So just enjoy the game and remember it has nothing to do with RL :)
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El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Rohnda
Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?
So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?
Not exactly, the viscosity of space in EVE is about 30 weight motor oil based on calculations someone did years ago. So it is a liquid environment but a bit thicker than water.
On to the topic at hand, perhaps when your railgun takes damage the magnetic coils should explode to help simulate reality better......
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Illwill Bill
Talu Shaya
Talu Shaya Empire
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Posted - 2011.05.06 10:00:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller
The borg cube would win but before it can dock, Pandemic Legion will spam it with invites so it can't dock, then warp a machariel to 0 on it through the station so it gets a 8000m/s bump away from the station. Then it gets hot dropped.
QFT
Also, the payload from a 1400mm cal tactical nookalyr artillery round would explody more violently than the wee piece of antimatter you would be able to contain in a 425mm wide container. The AM round would probably cut through any armour, though.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Amarrian Veterans Guild
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Posted - 2011.05.06 10:01:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Zofe Stormcaller
The borg cube would win but before it can dock, Pandemic Legion will spam it with invites so it can't dock, then warp a machariel to 0 on it through the station so it gets a 8000m/s bump away from the station. Then it gets hot dropped.
^^This.
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Keiffo Jackson
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Posted - 2011.05.06 10:49:00 -
[57]
If you wanted to sell ammo would you name it ANTI-MATTER ROUNDS or can't quite destroy ships instantly rounds? They are just greedy for ISK. For all you know the rounds are full of compressed orange juice.
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Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.06 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Peter Powers on 06/05/2011 11:21:21
Originally by: Kuronaga
I'm pretty certain even in modern terms, modern railguns trump the hell out of your standard artillery load in terms of "bang".
i think you are confusing two sorts of railguns there,
there is the wwii rail(waygun, which is basically a big artillery on rails - yeah much more bang than smaller artillery,
and then there is whats basically a gun that accelerates a conductive projectile along a pair of metal rails, a so called EMRG (electro magnetic rail gun).
Now the most effective EMRG prototype tested so far, and i wouldnt call a prototype a modern gun, a modern gun should be produced in series,
fired a 3kg projectile which had about the kinetic energy that a projectile fired from a regular leopard 2 tank has.
Now while the leo2 is an impressive tank and has an impressive gun, this is far from the output that a modern artiellery manages.
Originally by: Kuronaga
lasers kind of just have the lolscifi factor to them, realistic
application is sorta gimped unless you count setting lifeboats on fire as a major military achievement.
while it is a prototype with a very specific goal to achive,
the most powerfull laser so far has reached an energy output of 1.3 Petawatt in 1998 - trust me, a lifeboat is not the only thing that you could kill with that amount of energy.
Originally by: Kuronaga
How is it that minmatar crap tech is somehow more terrifying then a railgun firing ANTIMATTER?
I mean, no... you're doing it wrong.
The effects of antimatter are hardly researched nowadays, mostly because the quantities it can be produced, and the containment. Now the question is how much energy puts an eve railgun out?
and about the minmatar crap tech, minmatar can use nuclear ammo, and i believe their missiles mount nukes aswell.
and,
the most important reason for it all:
EVE is a game in a sci-fi setting, each race has their specialities, which makes for a balanced game.
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Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.06 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
seeing at how federation science vessels have defeated the borg on numerous occasions (Enterprise, Voyager..) i assume its pretty safe to say that a war machine like a star destroyer would have the edge here. the question is more, are the opressed star destroyer crews smart enough to modify the phase variance??
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.06 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Rohnda
So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?
A railgun basically applies a simple magnetic force to accelerate a projectile, why would you think that being in water would prevent it from working? I mean, the real-life magnetic launchers work perfectly fine submerged in air.
The limitations on the accelerators have more to do with resistive heating and simple power demands than fluid resistance on the projectile, the power output is so massive that, frankly, supersonic output isn't a big deal.
(And eve physics doesn't really model water specifically, though you can view the applied drag forces as fluid resistance if you want -- the math works out the same for any number of different potential scientific or sci-fi drag forces, the magnitudes in this case being, frankly, effectively arbitrary.)
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
guys, i have a very important question pertinent to this thread
if a borg cube fought a star destroyer, which would win?
are we talkin about a normal star destroyer, or a super star destroyer?
a normal star destroyer
which one wins?
Seen as a normal star destroyer can't track a millenium falcon heading to the left a bit, I'm going for the borg cube thing.
lol, I just spat out my coffee.
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Scaldari Anitoba
Gallente
Miner's of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Khanya Trace
Edited by: Khanya Trace on 06/05/2011 00:48:58
good idea, lets make railguns realistic.
They hit 5 times as hard as Arty now.
They also melt down after 2 shots.
http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4076097/Navy-demos-railgun-to-fire-projectiles-250-miles
go do your homework
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Headerman
Minmatar
Metanoia.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Headerman on 06/05/2011 13:08:38
NEWS JUST IN!
MINMATAR REBELS TEST FIRE A SMALL 280mm ARTILLERY WITH ONE ROUND OF LONG RANGE NUCLEAR AMMO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5jo7aZzTw
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:13:00 -
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According to wikipedia with what we have today to get 1 gram of antimatter it would require - "100 quadrillion dollars and run the antimatter factory for 100 billion years"
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: El'Niaga
Originally by: Rohnda
Correct me if im wrong but , Dosent eve space simulate being submerged in water?
So that being given, since when did railguns become effective underwater?
Not exactly, the viscosity of space in EVE is about 30 weight motor oil based on calculations someone did years ago. So it is a liquid environment but a bit thicker than water.
Taking this into account, I think the star destroyer would be able to kite the cube and either win or disengage. It's far more aerodynamic and should slip through the space-oil much faster.
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Nicholas Barker
Diabolus Ex Machina
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:29:00 -
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ever noticed that railguns always have smaller gun calibers?
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Twisted Xistance
wrong.... thats like saying if throwing a brick at something doesnt penetrate it then surely firing a bullet at it cant
think point of impact
The impact of an artillery shell or bullet is a massive amount of kinetic energy conecntrated on a small point of surface area
Think mass. A Raven masses 99.3 million kilograms and can travel at 118m/s (263mph) or 855m/s (1,913mph) with a MWD. A large hybrid uranium slug masses .00094 million kilograms at most.
Now change brick to small car in your analogy and is there really any difference between being crushed by a brick the size of a small car or being hit by a fast moving bullet?
The amount of energy between ship collisions is enormous, and aside from bouncing, Eve ships can completely ignore the kinetic energy involved, so it's not a far jump to claim that Eve ships are immune to plain old kinetic impacts.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
According to wikipedia with what we have today to get 1 gram of antimatter it would require - "100 quadrillion dollars and run the antimatter factory for 100 billion years"
oh, wikipedia.
You teach us so much.
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Nikki Sanderson
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Oh dear god he's taking it seriously
Hey, (internet) spaceships are srs bsns 
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Ghoest
According to wikipedia with what we have today to get 1 gram of antimatter it would require - "100 quadrillion dollars and run the antimatter factory for 100 billion years"
oh, wikipedia.
You teach us so much.
Which is why wikipedia requires citations/sources. CERN says that making anti-matter is a tad tedious and somewhat inefficient. You'll need to skip down to the middle of the page to get to the anti-matter material.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:21:00 -
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I actually have a theory about this.
Ages ago, I saw a T3 "Terran" railgun in the Eve DB.
I think the Gallente have been weakened in preparation for a considerable buff.
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Kuronaga
Kantian Principle
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
I actually have a theory about this.
Ages ago, I saw a T3 "Terran" railgun in the Eve DB.
I think the Gallente have been weakened in preparation for a considerable buff.
Yea and ages ago someone got like a T5 or 6 mining laser from a jovian...
the item was removed.
Think CCP only keeps the tech system around as a legacy joke. Instead of expanding on the tech system like they were supposed to they just kept expanding sideways -- giving us pirate ships, factions ships/mods, complex mods, etc.
It's gotten to the point where having something tech 3 is no longer relevant when other options are already present on the market. Even T3 cruisers were released stand-alone and quickly abandoned (missing subsystem? lolz).
Don't count on CCP to do anything more with the tech system. It's nothing more then an afterthought, and even if they did release T3 guns the gallente wouldn't be the only ones getting buffed.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I will care about RL comparisons when they make an actual 800mm Artillery that fires a round wvery 3.5 secc or so.
given any reasonable sort of shell speeds it's very unlikely you are going to hit anything at all with the oh so devastating 1400 mm arty shell. any ships computer can control the introduction of random elements into a ship's course which make hitting it at any distance unlikely at best. near speed of light weapons or self guiding are the way to go to achieve any sort of realism/reasonableness in your game.
eve game mechanics however are pretty clearly heavily biased in favour of "play balance" not reasonableness. frigates just aren't much of a threat to battleships in any reasonable game for instance.
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Ehranavaar
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Peter Powers
seeing at how federation science vessels have defeated the borg on numerous occasions (Enterprise, Voyager..) i assume its pretty safe to say that a war machine like a star destroyer would have the edge here. the question is more, are the opressed star destroyer crews smart enough to modify the phase variance??
neither voyager nor enterprise are actually science vessels. it's just that star fleet loves to put large amounts of lab space into their ships where other races tend to put oh troop barracks or more weapons/shields in.
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention
Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:37:00 -
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Problem with rail guns isn't the damage. Fitting requirements are too high, tracking is terrible and the fact they use cap and ammo is an immidiate disadvantage. They could do with an overall reworking or at least the ships that mount them.
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I will care about RL comparisons when they make an actual 800mm Artillery that fires a round wvery 3.5 secc or so.
Plus you have no idea what a 1400mm howitzer would do IRL. Probably flog a railgun in terms of target devestation
Depends on how fast its been propelled. Large calibre high explosive rounds are usually used for fortificatons and knocking down structures. If you want to get through hardnened armour you fire a smaller round at a very high speed.
That is the point of rail guns, projectile going very fast does lots and lots of damage.
But this is EVE so what does that matter.
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Rrama Ratamnim
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:40:00 -
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Perosnally they way i always thought it was supposed to be ballanced with MINMATAR vs GALLANTE weaponry were at odds
Blasters = Massive Alpha, Low Range, Slow repeat, Poor Tracking
Rails = Medium Alpha, Highest Range, Medium Repeat repeat, Great Tracking
Autocannons = Low Alpha, Medium Range, Ultra fast repeat, Good Tracking
Artillery = Massive Alpha, High Range, Slow repeat, **** Tracking
Or thats my 2 cents atleast
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