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Little Blackjack
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:12:00 -
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Why are there agents in 0.0 (eg mordus) or cosmos in low sec, if you cannot simply play them without being bothered by pvp? Its not realistic to enter low/0.0 with a mission fitted ship so you need a pvp ship and even a gang. With a pve ship you are lost. So whats the point with missions in low/nullsec? For me as a mission runner, being killed twice now with a mission ship the consequence is, another guy who will not enter low/nullsec anymore. Useless missions in 0.0/low for mission runners. A new system is needed. Mcuh better is this faction war thing. whoever wants pvp should sign up and can be engaged. who wants to play npc missions should not be bothered by pvp junkies. No matter what sec status.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:20:00 -
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Step 1: Re-read the stuff you just typed
Step 2: Realize that your complaint can be summarized as "why is there content that's only really viable for a group of >1 people in this MMO?"
Step 3: Remember what the second M in "MMO" stands for.
Step 4: Never post a thread of this nature ever again.
(Side note: if you want to be immune to PvP, your only option is to not undock your ship... and pray that Incarna doesn't add PvP to the inside of stations.) ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:27:00 -
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There are people that run missions in lowsec and 0.0. Quite a few people in fact. Ask yourself, how do they do that ? Here's a hint : you don't do it in a system full of strangers.
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foxnod
Brotherhood of the Coast
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Little Blackjack whoever wants pvp should sign up and can be engaged. who wants to play npc missions should not be bothered by pvp junkies. No matter what sec status.
Just for that comment I'm going to add you to list for some future nonconsentual pvp.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:50:00 -
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No trolling in this forum please.
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Little Blackjack
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: Little Blackjack on 06/05/2011 12:58:40
Originally by: Lost Greybeard Step 1: Re-read the stuff you just typed
Step 2: Realize that your complaint can be summarized as "why is there content that's only really viable for a group of >1 people in this MMO?"
Step 3: Remember what the second M in "MMO" stands for.
You just won the "****** of the day" price. Maybe you should be aware, what the second "M" of MMO does NOT necessarily mean: multiplayer does NOT only mean vs each other but does also does enable players to play in a team vs NPC. All I ask for, is, that people who favor pvp should be kept seperate (like factional warfare) from those like me, who favor pve (in a team). Notonly in high sec but all secs. Or to bring those high bounty missions to highsec. Make the enemy stronger (like incursions) but dont force people into low sec if they are up for missions only (cosmos).
Quote: Step 4: Never post a thread of this nature ever again.
For sure you are not the guy to tell me what I will do or not.. :)
Quote: (Side note: if you want to be immune to PvP, your only option is to not undock your ship... and pray that Incarna doesn't add PvP to the inside of stations.)
If I want to be immune to pvp, I stop p(l)aying eve/ccp. simple as that. one less to do pvp vs.
No wonder, 87% of all players stay in highsec. If this would be a clear pvp game, 80% of all players would stay in low/nullsec. how comes, only a small minority wants to play pvp? So just by the stats, most players are NOT interested in pvp. add those who left the game over the years, figures woudl be even more drastic. Just read those eve reports.
Saying this, my statement still remains the same.
Originally by: Merouk Baas No trolling in this forum please.
I see. just freaks here. I understood this forum being a help for beginners. no. Just freaks exchanging their stuff.
Whatever, just another game. bye eve-.
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Chal0ner
Amarr Sons Of 0din
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:07:00 -
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Edited by: Chal0ner on 06/05/2011 13:08:57
Originally by: Little Blackjack Its not realistic to enter low/0.0 with a mission fitted ship so you need a pvp ship and even a gang. With a pve ship you are lost. .... being killed twice now
Waaaaaah ... got killed waaaaaah. Well, don't go low/null sec then - that easy. And I'm a bloody carebear ... kinda ....
Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Step 4: Never post a thread of this nature ever again.
^^ This. And please read up on game mechanics.
EDIT: Oh, before you go please contract your stuff in V6-NY1 for my convenience so there should be a sig here? |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:14:00 -
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Moved from 'EVE New Citizens Q&A'.
Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online |
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the op
Amarr Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:18:00 -
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Quote: You just won the "****** of the day" price
Incorrect use of 'price' is priceless
also you're doing it wrong
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Jenn aSide on 06/05/2011 13:43:48 Little Blackjack, your thinking is backwards. Just because a person is a "mission runner" doesn't mean they should be able to run missions anywhere just because.
EVE basically has 3 zones of security. People who want to run missions (or do any other activity) with some measure of protection should stay in the high security zones (however, EVE being a pvp game means that even in hi-sec, there are multiple ways around the "protection".
Buy entering low security or no security space, you, as the the player are consenting to pvp (the is no such thing as non-consensual pvp in eve anyway, undocking from anywhere is consenting to pvp lol). Thats what is called LOW SECURITY (or null sec).
I've run plenty of low-sec and null sec missions as well as using other pve content like exploration. I've lost a few ships doing it over the 4 years i've played (the vast majority killed to npcs when I made a mistake, a few to pvp).
You simply can't get mad at the game or the people commenting in this thread because you misunderstood the word "security", no can you?
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Scorpii Orion
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Little Blackjack Why are there agents in 0.0 (eg mordus) or cosmos in low sec, if you cannot simply play them without being bothered by pvp? Its not realistic to enter low/0.0 with a mission fitted ship so you need a pvp ship and even a gang. With a pve ship you are lost. So whats the point with missions in low/nullsec? For me as a mission runner, being killed twice now with a mission ship the consequence is, another guy who will not enter low/nullsec anymore. Useless missions in 0.0/low for mission runners. A new system is needed. Mcuh better is this faction war thing. whoever wants pvp should sign up and can be engaged. who wants to play npc missions should not be bothered by pvp junkies. No matter what sec status.
You just need more patience. You have to accept that you can't grind 23.5/7 in lowsec and 0.0 space.
Also you need to smuggle your ship there, normal battleship hull is bad choice, unless your alliance/corporation has good presence at that particular system.
Search for unprobeable fittings.
You can use alt, and use pod to get the mission. Make sure that your clone is set to that station. Get mission, undock in pod, warp to alt, switch to mission ship, do mission, warp to alt, give ship to alt and dock up and complete mission.
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.06 13:53:00 -
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tbh, sounds like Eve isn't for you
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Mister Agreeable
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:02:00 -
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Possible and very profitable - must be because players like you have got no brains to run them.
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Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:23:00 -
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I'm pretty sure we're all getting trolled... but on the off chance this guy is for real: What would be the point of low security space if it's SAFE? There's plenty of people doing missions in 0.0 and low sec, they just know what they're doing and are accepting the risk they could lose their ship once in a while.
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FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Little Blackjack For me as a mission runner, being killed twice now with a mission ship the consequence is, another guy who will not enter low/nullsec anymore. Useless missions in 0.0/low for mission runners. A new system is needed.
Why didn't anyone tell me before you 0.0 agents were useless? And there I was, not knowing it, running missions, losing ships occasionally and selling roughly 1 bn worth of crystal implants per week
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Little Blackjack Whatever, just another game. bye eve-.
Can I have your stuff?
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Lucas Schuyler
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Little Blackjack
Maybe you should be aware, what the second "M" of MMO does NOT necessarily mean: multiplayer does NOT only mean vs each other but does also does enable players to play in a team vs NPC. All I ask for, is, that people who favor pvp should be kept seperate (like factional warfare) from those like me, who favor pve (in a team). Notonly in high sec but all secs. Or to bring those high bounty missions to highsec. Make the enemy stronger (like incursions) but dont force people into low sec if they are up for missions only (cosmos).
I believe the point is if you bring friends (multiplayer) than you have less a chance of being popped.
Also, it is possible to run missions in a ship that is not exclusively PVE to the point where it is completely doomed to PVP. Again, extra people can help with that. Or make a ship that cannot be probed down.
You can turn down missions. Lowsec has risks, you don't have to go there.
Bottom line, PVP is integral to the game, even though you can try to opt out... You have to take the responsibility yourself for defense - Watch local, watch DScan, fit appropriately.
It is not that hard to avoid PVP in lowsec, you just have to spend a little extra effort.
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herta Shaishi
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:55:00 -
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A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths?
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Hakkar'al Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:09:00 -
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EVE isn't and never was intended to be another run-of-the-mill MMO.
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Emperor Salazar
Caldari Remote Soviet Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths?
Posting to confirm that if you enjoy shooting internet spaceships represented by pixels on a screen you are a sociopath.
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:46:00 -
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It was actually very easy ages ago. Then eve population bloomed. The idea of knowing the locals is only viable given low population. It's an old system that worked very well at the time when it was created. Incidentally, things like fast mission scanning were also new developments. Nowdays, people have found workarounds such as unprobable t3, which requires SP. Since such workarounds keep low/null missioning from dying completely, CCP doesn't bother restoring their viability of the old times.
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Mara Villoso
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Posted - 2011.05.06 15:52:00 -
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Somehow we got this many posts and no one bothered to say...
unprobeable Tengu ftw |
Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Villoso Somehow we got this many posts and no one bothered to say...
unprobeable Tengu ftw
And you do know how to find the elusive unprobeable Tengu, right?
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Natasha Maraska
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Salazar
Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths?
Posting to confirm that if you enjoy shooting internet spaceships represented by pixels on a screen you are a sociopath.
Posting to confirm that the security of online anonymity means the rules of civilization no longer apply to you. (he says, posting with a forum alt, mwahahaha)
As for the OP, while I agree with most of your points, you will never win this argument. And it just wouldn't be Eve if you could undock without a noticeable chance of your ship going pop, much less run missions outside of "safe" space.
PVP can (and will) happen. And when you find 2 or 3 friends to run a low-sec mission/site they will find 7 or 8. When you find 7 or 8, they'll show up with 20.
There's always a way to run missions in low-sec/null sec, but you have to be smart, and you have to be lucky. I am rarely either. but I have pulled it off once or twice...
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ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:22:00 -
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Now, I know people here are quick to jump on the OP but some missions like mordus, are very, very hard to run just by how few agents they have. While the Sansha missions I run are fairly easy because if an agent is camped really badly I can go to another.
But the OP is overreacting to the problem. With an unprobable nullifier tengu, the only place you can ever be killed is on station, and you can use the session timer (where you are totally invulnerable BTW) and redock. This doesn't mean that you will be able to go do the missions as a sensor boosted inty may catch you if you try to insta warp rather than control+space and redock. So you should never die on a station unless you want to.
TL;DR CCP has given you all the tools you need to never die unless you make a mistake. That doesn't mean you will always be able to run a mission if camped by certain ships though.
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:32:00 -
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1. Get an unprobable nullfier sub Tengu(or any other T3 of your choice) 2. get an alt to scout outside of stations and gates for camps, in case someones camping with sensor boosted arty battleships.
3. make insta undock bookmarks and docking bookmarks(so you dont end up 2000ms away from stations when you warp to them)
4. run missions for 23.5/7
5. enjoy insane amounts of lp.
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.06 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths?
Given that the entire sales pitch of the game is that it's all PvP, all the time, and given that the player base is like 95% (anecdotal) people that are fed up with the lack of player input and combat in the more popular games, I'd say the answer is probably the "sociopaths". The people that prefer a game where you can turn PvP completely off are already playing WoW/DDO and have no reason whatsoever to switch, meaning the potential financial reward of catering to them is basically nonexistent.
(DDO included to preclude "lulz but WoW cnt b free2ply" replies. LOTRO is another good example of a better PvE game that's actually free to play instead of free to play if you grind like a madman on multiple accounts.) ---
If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous |
Patch Gatsby
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Posted - 2011.05.06 17:41:00 -
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Hi Everybody (even the trolls). Blackjack, I'm going to try to offer some constructive advice. I'm a fairly new player, and I feel your pain at losing a ship and probably a pod too, as it happened to me recently in a similar situation. Low Sec is a risk/reward proposition. Agents in low sec pay more than high sec, but you run the risks associated with low sec to get the greater rewards. Here is what I've learned since I got podded. The map is your friend, there are settings to show how busy systems are, you want a system without many people (I mean literally like 5 or fewer). Look at their security status- if any of them are LOW then you may want to jump back out. Then keep a constant watch on local for more people entering. Use an alternate ship and/or clone. I don't take my T2 item missioning ship to low sec, I use a ship with standard items that I looted from enemies. The best thing I learned was to use a jump clone. That way you can use a clone without expensive implants in case you get podded. It is exciting to know you can be killed at anytime.
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Privateeralliance Sucks
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Posted - 2011.05.06 18:41:00 -
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OP is nub, extreme nub
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Mara Villoso
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Posted - 2011.05.06 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Merrik Talorra
Originally by: Mara Villoso Somehow we got this many posts and no one bothered to say...
unprobeable Tengu ftw
And you do know how to find the elusive unprobeable Tengu, right?
Do tell |
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