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Little Blackjack	Posted - 2011.05.06 12:12:00 - [1] Why are there agents in 0.0 (eg mordus) or cosmos in low sec, if you cannot simply play them without being bothered by pvp? Its not realistic to enter low/0.0 with a mission fitted ship so you need a pvp ship and even a gang. With a pve ship you are lost. So whats the point with missions in low/nullsec? For me as a mission runner, being killed twice now with a mission ship the consequence is, another guy who will not enter low/nullsec anymore. Useless missions in 0.0/low for mission runners. A new system is needed. Mcuh better is this faction war thing. whoever wants pvp should sign up and can be engaged. who wants to play npc missions should not be bothered by pvp junkies. No matter what sec status.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.05.06 12:20:00 - [2] Step 1: Re-read the stuff you just typed Step 2: Realize that your complaint can be summarized as "why is there content that's only really viable for a group of >1 people in this MMO?" Step 3: Remember what the second M in "MMO" stands for. Step 4: Never post a thread of this nature ever again. (Side note: if you want to be immune to PvP, your only option is to not undock your ship... and pray that Incarna doesn't add PvP to the inside of stations.) --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.06 12:27:00 - [3] There are people that run missions in lowsec and 0.0. Quite a few people in fact. Ask yourself, how do they do that ? Here's a hint : you don't do it in a system full of strangers. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
foxnod Brotherhood of the Coast	Posted - 2011.05.06 12:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Little Blackjack whoever wants pvp should sign up and can be engaged. who wants to play npc missions should not be bothered by pvp junkies. No matter what sec status. Just for that comment I'm going to add you to list for some future nonconsentual pvp.
Merouk Baas Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.06 12:50:00 - [5] No trolling in this forum please.
Little Blackjack	Posted - 2011.05.06 12:57:00 - [6] Edited by: Little Blackjack on 06/05/2011 12:58:40 Originally by: Lost Greybeard Step 1: Re-read the stuff you just typed Step 2: Realize that your complaint can be summarized as "why is there content that's only really viable for a group of >1 people in this MMO?" Step 3: Remember what the second M in "MMO" stands for. You just won the "**** of the day" price. Maybe you should be aware, what the second "M" of MMO does NOT necessarily mean: multiplayer does NOT only mean vs each other but does also does enable players to play in a team vs NPC. All I ask for, is, that people who favor pvp should be kept seperate (like factional warfare) from those like me, who favor pve (in a team). Notonly in high sec but all secs. Or to bring those high bounty missions to highsec. Make the enemy stronger (like incursions) but dont force people into low sec if they are up for missions only (cosmos). Quote: Step 4: Never post a thread of this nature ever again. For sure you are not the guy to tell me what I will do or not.. :) Quote: (Side note: if you want to be immune to PvP, your only option is to not undock your ship... and pray that Incarna doesn't add PvP to the inside of stations.) If I want to be immune to pvp, I stop p(l)aying eve/ccp. simple as that. one less to do pvp vs. No wonder, 87% of all players stay in highsec. If this would be a clear pvp game, 80% of all players would stay in low/nullsec. how comes, only a small minority wants to play pvp? So just by the stats, most players are NOT interested in pvp. add those who left the game over the years, figures woudl be even more drastic. Just read those eve reports. Saying this, my statement still remains the same. Originally by:** Merouk Baas No trolling in this forum please. I see. just freaks here. I understood this forum being a help for beginners. no. Just freaks exchanging their stuff. Whatever, just another game. bye eve-.
Chal0ner Amarr Sons Of 0din	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:07:00 - [7] Edited by: Chal0ner on 06/05/2011 13:08:57 Originally by: Little Blackjack Its not realistic to enter low/0.0 with a mission fitted ship so you need a pvp ship and even a gang. With a pve ship you are lost. .... being killed twice now Waaaaaah ... got killed waaaaaah. Well, don't go low/null sec then - that easy. And I'm a bloody carebear ... kinda .... Originally by: Lost Greybeard Step 4: Never post a thread of this nature ever again. ^^ This. And please read up on game mechanics. EDIT: Oh, before you go please contract your stuff in V6-NY1 for my convenience so there should be a sig here?

CCP Spitfire C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:14:00 - [8] Moved from 'EVE New Citizens Q&A'. Spitfire Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online

the op Amarr Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:18:00 - [9] Quote: You just won the "**** of the day" price** Incorrect use of 'price' is priceless also you're doing it wrong
Jenn aSide	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Jenn aSide on 06/05/2011 13:43:48 Little Blackjack, your thinking is backwards. Just because a person is a "mission runner" doesn't mean they should be able to run missions anywhere just because. EVE basically has 3 zones of security. People who want to run missions (or do any other activity) with some measure of protection should stay in the high security zones (however, EVE being a pvp game means that even in hi-sec, there are multiple ways around the "protection". Buy entering low security or no security space, you, as the the player are consenting to pvp (the is no such thing as non-consensual pvp in eve anyway, undocking from anywhere is consenting to pvp lol). Thats what is called LOW SECURITY (or null sec). I've run plenty of low-sec and null sec missions as well as using other pve content like exploration. I've lost a few ships doing it over the 4 years i've played (the vast majority killed to npcs when I made a mistake, a few to pvp). You simply can't get mad at the game or the people commenting in this thread because you misunderstood the word "security", no can you?

Scorpii Orion	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Little Blackjack Why are there agents in 0.0 (eg mordus) or cosmos in low sec, if you cannot simply play them without being bothered by pvp? Its not realistic to enter low/0.0 with a mission fitted ship so you need a pvp ship and even a gang. With a pve ship you are lost. So whats the point with missions in low/nullsec? For me as a mission runner, being killed twice now with a mission ship the consequence is, another guy who will not enter low/nullsec anymore. Useless missions in 0.0/low for mission runners. A new system is needed. Mcuh better is this faction war thing. whoever wants pvp should sign up and can be engaged. who wants to play npc missions should not be bothered by pvp junkies. No matter what sec status. You just need more patience. You have to accept that you can't grind 23.5/7 in lowsec and 0.0 space. Also you need to smuggle your ship there, normal battleship hull is bad choice, unless your alliance/corporation has good presence at that particular system. Search for unprobeable fittings. You can use alt, and use pod to get the mission. Make sure that your clone is set to that station. Get mission, undock in pod, warp to alt, switch to mission ship, do mission, warp to alt, give ship to alt and dock up and complete mission.
Emperor Salazar Caldari Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.05.06 13:53:00 - [12] tbh, sounds like Eve isn't for you
Mister Agreeable	Posted - 2011.05.06 14:02:00 - [13] Possible and very profitable - must be because players like you have got no brains to run them.
Drykor Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162	Posted - 2011.05.06 14:23:00 - [14] I'm pretty sure we're all getting trolled... but on the off chance this guy is for real: What would be the point of low security space if it's SAFE? There's plenty of people doing missions in 0.0 and low sec, they just know what they're doing and are accepting the risk they could lose their ship once in a while. --- Drykor - AHARM
FlameGlow Gypsy Band	Posted - 2011.05.06 14:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Little Blackjack For me as a mission runner, being killed twice now with a mission ship the consequence is, another guy who will not enter low/nullsec anymore. Useless missions in 0.0/low for mission runners. A new system is needed. Why didn't anyone tell me before you 0.0 agents were useless? And there I was, not knowing it, running missions, losing ships occasionally and selling roughly 1 bn worth of crystal implants per week Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
Danika Princip Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.05.06 14:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Little Blackjack Whatever, just another game. bye eve-. Can I have your stuff?
Lucas Schuyler	Posted - 2011.05.06 14:48:00 - [17] Originally by: Little Blackjack Maybe you should be aware, what the second "M" of MMO does NOT necessarily mean: multiplayer does NOT only mean vs each other but does also does enable players to play in a team vs NPC. All I ask for, is, that people who favor pvp should be kept seperate (like factional warfare) from those like me, who favor pve (in a team). Notonly in high sec but all secs. Or to bring those high bounty missions to highsec. Make the enemy stronger (like incursions) but dont force people into low sec if they are up for missions only (cosmos). I believe the point is if you bring friends (multiplayer) than you have less a chance of being popped. Also, it is possible to run missions in a ship that is not exclusively PVE to the point where it is completely doomed to PVP. Again, extra people can help with that. Or make a ship that cannot be probed down. You can turn down missions. Lowsec has risks, you don't have to go there. Bottom line, PVP is integral to the game, even though you can try to opt out... You have to take the responsibility yourself for defense - Watch local, watch DScan, fit appropriately. It is not that hard to avoid PVP in lowsec, you just have to spend a little extra effort.
herta Shaishi	Posted - 2011.05.06 14:55:00 - [18] A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths?
Hakkar'al Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.06 15:09:00 - [19] EVE isn't and never was intended to be another run-of-the-mill MMO.
Emperor Salazar Caldari Remote Soviet Industries	Posted - 2011.05.06 15:13:00 - [20] Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths? Posting to confirm that if you enjoy shooting internet spaceships represented by pixels on a screen you are a sociopath.

Goose99	Posted - 2011.05.06 15:46:00 - [21] It was actually very easy ages ago. Then eve population bloomed. The idea of knowing the locals is only viable given low population. It's an old system that worked very well at the time when it was created. Incidentally, things like fast mission scanning were also new developments. Nowdays, people have found workarounds such as unprobable t3, which requires SP. Since such workarounds keep low/null missioning from dying completely, CCP doesn't bother restoring their viability of the old times.
Mara Villoso	Posted - 2011.05.06 15:52:00 - [22] Somehow we got this many posts and no one bothered to say... unprobeable Tengu ftw
Merrik Talorra Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E	Posted - 2011.05.06 16:04:00 - [23] Originally by: Mara Villoso Somehow we got this many posts and no one bothered to say... unprobeable Tengu ftw And you do know how to find the elusive unprobeable Tengu, right?
Natasha Maraska	Posted - 2011.05.06 16:14:00 - [24] Originally by: Emperor Salazar Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths? Posting to confirm that if you enjoy shooting internet spaceships represented by pixels on a screen you are a sociopath. Posting to confirm that the security of online anonymity means the rules of civilization no longer apply to you. (he says, posting with a forum alt, mwahahaha) As for the OP, while I agree with most of your points, you will never win this argument. And it just wouldn't be Eve if you could undock without a noticeable chance of your ship going pop, much less run missions outside of "safe" space. PVP can (and will) happen. And when you find 2 or 3 friends to run a low-sec mission/site they will find 7 or 8. When you find 7 or 8, they'll show up with 20. There's always a way to run missions in low-sec/null sec, but you have to be smart, and you have to be lucky. I am rarely either. but I have pulled it off once or twice...
ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.05.06 16:22:00 - [25] Now, I know people here are quick to jump on the OP but some missions like mordus, are very, very hard to run just by how few agents they have. While the Sansha missions I run are fairly easy because if an agent is camped really badly I can go to another. But the OP is overreacting to the problem. With an unprobable nullifier tengu, the only place you can ever be killed is on station, and you can use the session timer (where you are totally invulnerable BTW) and redock. This doesn't mean that you will be able to go do the missions as a sensor boosted inty may catch you if you try to insta warp rather than control+space and redock. So you should never die on a station unless you want to. TL;DR CCP has given you all the tools you need to never die unless you make a mistake. That doesn't mean you will always be able to run a mission if camped by certain ships though.
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.05.06 16:32:00 - [26] 1. Get an unprobable nullfier sub Tengu(or any other T3 of your choice) 2. get an alt to scout outside of stations and gates for camps, in case someones camping with sensor boosted arty battleships. 3. make insta undock bookmarks and docking bookmarks(so you dont end up 2000ms away from stations when you warp to them) 4. run missions for 23.5/7 5. enjoy insane amounts of lp.
Lost Greybeard	Posted - 2011.05.06 17:10:00 - [27] Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths? Given that the entire sales pitch of the game is that it's all PvP, all the time, and given that the player base is like 95% (anecdotal) people that are fed up with the lack of player input and combat in the more popular games, I'd say the answer is probably the "sociopaths". The people that prefer a game where you can turn PvP completely off are already playing WoW/DDO and have no reason whatsoever to switch, meaning the potential financial reward of catering to them is basically nonexistent. (DDO included to preclude "lulz but WoW cnt b free2ply" replies. LOTRO is another good example of a better PvE game that's actually free to play instead of free to play if you grind like a madman on multiple accounts.) --- If you outlaw tautologies, only outlaws will have tautologies. ~Anonymous
Patch Gatsby	Posted - 2011.05.06 17:41:00 - [28] Hi Everybody (even the trolls). Blackjack, I'm going to try to offer some constructive advice. I'm a fairly new player, and I feel your pain at losing a ship and probably a pod too, as it happened to me recently in a similar situation. Low Sec is a risk/reward proposition. Agents in low sec pay more than high sec, but you run the risks associated with low sec to get the greater rewards. Here is what I've learned since I got podded. The map is your friend, there are settings to show how busy systems are, you want a system without many people (I mean literally like 5 or fewer). Look at their security status- if any of them are LOW then you may want to jump back out. Then keep a constant watch on local for more people entering. Use an alternate ship and/or clone. I don't take my T2 item missioning ship to low sec, I use a ship with standard items that I looted from enemies. The best thing I learned was to use a jump clone. That way you can use a clone without expensive implants in case you get podded. It is exciting to know you can be killed at anytime.
Privateeralliance Sucks	Posted - 2011.05.06 18:41:00 - [29] OP is nub, extreme nub
Mara Villoso	Posted - 2011.05.06 18:42:00 - [30] Originally by: Merrik Talorra Originally by: Mara Villoso Somehow we got this many posts and no one bothered to say... unprobeable Tengu ftw And you do know how to find the elusive unprobeable Tengu, right? Do tell

ValentinaDLM Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators	Posted - 2011.05.06 19:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Patch Gatsby Look at their security status- if any of them are LOW then you may want to jump back out. Then keep a constant watch on local for more people entering. Reasonable advice, but I would like to point out that i still kill neutrals in low sec even with this char, and I maintain a positive sec status on all of my chars, in fact on some of my chars i will hit 5.0 between kills in low sec, so I wouldn't assume anything based on sec status. especially since ratting in 0.0 will make your sec status skyrocket, but killing there doesn't effect it, and plenty of people split their time between 0.0 and low/high sec.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.05.06 21:22:00 - [32] Originally by: Little Blackjack Why are there agents in 0.0 (eg mordus) or cosmos in low sec, if you cannot simply play them without being bothered by pvp? Doing PvE missions in a ship that can handle PvP is not for newbies. Skill up, learn the game, then you can handle the advanced PvE environments. Unlike other MMO, EVE has no invisible walls to keep you out of areas you can't handle yet.
Darth Aethrian Pacific Dawn Controlled Chaos	Posted - 2011.05.07 06:02:00 - [33] Here's a hint OP. I run Mordus missions from time to time when I get bored. Notice anything about the space under my name? It's this part. <-------- You want to run missions in 0.0, you have to PVP and EARN your right to be there. Of course, if you'd like to try doing it without being in a group go for it. I'm sure everyone will be totally friendly and respect your right to run missions wherever you like without risk. Just make sure you let them know in local beforehand what your intentions are so they know not to shoot you.
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.05.07 06:49:00 - [34] Edited by: Jack Abramof on 07/05/2011 06:51:56 To the OP : you have several solutions : 1/ for low sec, its pretty easy and straighforward : if you have 2 accounts , use 1 scout ; if you dont have 2 accounts, make insta undocks BMs at more than 150 kms of your agent station, do the same for docking - use an expandable ship, like a fully insurable BS, fit it with regular T1/T2 mods , use Dscan all the time, and most importantly stay aligned all the time to a created BM or a celestial object - at gates in low sec, burn to the gate if you see a camp after jumping 2/ in 0.0 its much more dangerous, it might be doable but its gonna be a PITA if you re not blue to the locals and honestly doubt its worth the trouble. Ratting in hostile 0.0 is pretty easy, missionning is still doable but you need 2 accounts
Crabs Collector	Posted - 2011.05.07 07:43:00 - [35] The point of lowsec/o.o missioning is the ability to gain alot more isk/hour, but at a higher risk. That sort of makes sense doesnt it? ;) And it IS possible to solo mission in low sec, but you have to do it in alliance territory or w/e, or in a system where nobody else is so you can check local. Another way is using an unprobable t3 ship etc, so there are plenty of options. If you find this all a hassle, just stick to high sec missioning.
Batelle do you	Posted - 2011.05.07 19:30:00 - [36] OP is a pathetic whiner and I hope he gets suicide ganked in a mission. I ran a lot of missions for the Mordus, and it was great because I never had to jump any gates, and the LP and rewards were great. I did it for months and I never got killed. The few times people tried to kill me I saw their probes long before they were able to get to me, and I never even had a close call. Try not sucking. --------------------------------------------- EC-P8R... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Liz Kali	Posted - 2011.05.07 20:03:00 - [37] I must agree with you . If player want to be involved only in PVE , CCP should give him that . Not all of us like pvp , well , pvp , mostly it's just very 'AWESOME' plot who killing pve people . Long story , long time , nothing had changed to help us , pve people , CCP still refuses to do anything worth .
Deerin Minmatar Murientor Tribe	Posted - 2011.05.07 21:48:00 - [38] OP, Liz Kali and other people with the same mindset: EVE is not the game you are looking for. Don't waste your time. I don't know if there are other space themed mmorpgs which reduce pvp to an "on/off" flag, but if there are, please roll a character there. Oh and send your stuff to me before canceling subscription. ------------------------------------------- Die Amarr Die!!!
Liz Kali	Posted - 2011.05.07 21:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Deerin OP, Liz Kali and other people with the same mindset: EVE is not the game you are looking for. Don't waste your time. I don't know if there are other space themed mmorpgs which reduce pvp to an "on/off" flag, but if there are, please roll a character there. Oh and send your stuff to me before canceling subscription. WElllll , give atleast one reason why this game is not for us? 1) we paying same as you for this game . 2) same as you , we like spaceship game 3) same as you we have own things we like and don't like in here
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.07 22:27:00 - [40] Originally by: Liz Kali If player want to be involved only in PVE , CCP should give him that . Why? Quote: Not all of us like pvp Then why are you playing a PvP-centric game? Quote: WElllll , give atleast one reason why this game is not for us? Because you don't want any PvP. Quote: 1) we paying same as you for this game . So what? That's your mistake, not something the game needs to fix. Just because you pay money for Civ V doesn't mean it should play like God of Warà Quote: 2) same as you , we like spaceship game That's just a setting ù it has nothing to do with the gameplay. Quote: 3) same as you we have own things we like and don't like in here àand the things you don't like is the core gameplay in EVE. This means the game isn't really for you. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki

Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2011.05.07 23:02:00 - [41] Originally by: Tippia Stuff The irony here is that CCP DID give carebears something new to do, with higher payouts than almost any other form of pvp, and something to do that involves a team (for most people anyway ). Why carebears continue to whine that they don't get EVERYTHING continues to baffle me.
BlackSparrowHawk	Posted - 2011.05.08 01:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Liz Kali Quote: 3) same as you we have own things we like and don't like in here àand the things you don't like is the core gameplay in EVE. This means the game isn't really for you. Not entirely accurate. PvP is one of the main features of eve, just like PvE. Eve won't work without one or the other. Just because OP doesn't want to PvE doesn't mean he should quit. There are people happy mining for hours and enjoy it for months... EVE is a sandbox game, meaning you can do anything you want - not just PvP.
Danika Princip Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2011.05.08 03:07:00 - [43] Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk . There are people happy mining for hours and enjoy it for months... Those are called bots. And yes, you can do anything you want, and anyone who wants to (and is capable of doing so) can stop you doing it. That's the whole point of EVE, is it not? Why change it for a few whiny carebears like the OP?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.08 05:41:00 - [44] Originally by: BlackSparrowHawk Not entirely accurate. No, it's pretty much 100% accurate (after rounding). There are exactly two (productive) things you can do in EVE that are not subject to PvP: clicking the "request mission" button and clicking the "complete mission" button. Quote: Just because OP doesn't want to ~~PvE~~ PvP doesn't mean he should quit. It's not that he doesn't want to PvP ù he can choose not to do that now. It's that he cannot avoid being subjected to PvP, which is what he's actually asking for, and this is not supported by the game design. If he can't stand that game design, then this isn't the game for him, and quitting is actually a good thing to do. After all, why should he punish himself playing a game that is fundamentally not designed for what he wants to do? Quote: EVE is a sandbox game, meaning you can do anything you want Yes, EVE is a sandbox game, meaning that everyone can do what they want, including shooting the OP without his permission. That's exactly why the kind of separation the OP is asking for is thoroughly incompatible with the game: because it's a sandbox. If he doesn't want to do something, then he's free not to do it, but his choice doesn't stop anyone else from doing what they want to do. Thus, PvP situations will arise regardless of whether you go looking for them or not. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Jack Abramof	Posted - 2011.05.08 07:05:00 - [45] Edited by: Jack Abramof on 08/05/2011 07:04:55 Well, Tippia have a point here ; if you look for advices how to avoid getting killed by people in low sec or even 0.0 , ( and there is apost like this not far below ) , people will gladly help you, me included. But by design low sec and even more 0.0 is not safe at all, when you enter low sec the first time you have a small window popping up telling you that Concord will not protect you like in high sec so you re warned. Yes doing stuff in low sec or 0.0 gets you more money but obviously more risk = more reward, thats the way it always should be ( even if its not really always the case ) IN 0.0, either you ninja mission/explo/rat in ennemy territory ( highest risk and difficulty ) or you either rent space or join an alliance/corp that lives there ( trade off is that you have to give a bit of your time to protect your space/ CTA ) Like Tippia said, it is like this by game design and there is absolutely nothing wrong with not wanting to do pvp at all, its fine to do pve, mining explo, production , trading whatever you enjoy, but by leaving high sec, you know that people, if given the opportunity , will shoot you. Thats how it is, now Im afraid there is not too much you can do about that.
Hendrix Jr	Posted - 2011.05.08 18:33:00 - [46] And I want to PvP in every system without getting attacked by Concord. But as a very wise man once said, you can't always get what you want.
Tehesca Pegoat Escape Goat Industries	Posted - 2011.05.08 21:10:00 - [47] Originally by: Hendrix Jr you can't always get what you want. You can try sometimes.
Batelle do you	Posted - 2011.05.08 21:57:00 - [48] Originally by: Tehesca Pegoat Originally by: Hendrix Jr you can't always get what you want. You can try sometimes. Eve will give you what you need. --------------------------------------------- EC-P8R... You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
Emperor Cheney Celebrity Sex Tape	Posted - 2011.05.08 23:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Liz Kali I must agree with you . If player want to be involved only in PVE , CCP should give him that . Not all of us like pvp , well , pvp , mostly it's just very 'AWESOME' plot who killing pve people . Long story , long time , nothing had changed to help us , pve people , CCP still refuses to do anything worth . You have all of highsec. Enjoy.
Madmikos	Posted - 2011.05.09 21:01:00 - [50] I'd be a bit upset if my 2.5 billion Ferox got popped!

Patty Patrick Patterson	Posted - 2011.05.09 21:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Madmikos 2.5 billion Ferox got popped! runs to the nearest locator agent
Madmikos	Posted - 2011.05.09 21:23:00 - [52] Originally by: Patty Patrick Patterson Originally by: Madmikos 2.5 billion Ferox got popped! runs to the nearest locator agent Sorry I meant the OP: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9611874
WhiteWarp Amarr Tokos Securities	Posted - 2011.05.09 21:36:00 - [53] People can shoot you in this game?! Holy crap! That doesn't seem fair.
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker	Posted - 2011.05.09 23:48:00 - [54] Originally by: Madmikos Originally by: Patty Patrick Patterson Originally by: Madmikos 2.5 billion Ferox got popped! runs to the nearest locator agent Sorry I meant the OP: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9611874 wtf?
Patty Patrick Patterson	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:11:00 - [55] Originally by: Madmikos Originally by: Patty Patrick Patterson Originally by: Madmikos 2.5 billion Ferox got popped! runs to the nearest locator agent Sorry I meant the OP: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9611874 If that's legit, i'll be following him around for the next month or so.
Maverick2011 Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2011.05.10 09:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Akita T There are people that run missions in lowsec and 0.0. Quite a few people in fact. Ask yourself, how do they do that ? Here's a hint : you don't do it in a system full of strangers. Oh Akita you never know, anything about my home, i'll never know how good it feels to hold you... Akita I need you so. Lol good answer. I know you wont reply this but i wonder if you are a girl, of course im not trying to date you for real, but generally i like your answers in this forum. Strong personality, defending your point of view with reason each sentence.... Its a very interesting person.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.10 09:55:00 - [57] Originally by: Madmikos Originally by: Patty Patrick Patterson Originally by: Madmikos 2.5 billion Ferox got popped! runs to the nearest locator agent Sorry I meant the OP: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9611874 T2 Invuln? Pffà bloody cheapskateà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tester128	Posted - 2011.05.10 22:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Akita T Here's a hint : you don't do it in a system full of strangers. Actually you could do it in a system full of hostiles, it adds some spice. BTW, nice ferox
Marduk Nibiru	Posted - 2011.05.10 23:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Little Blackjack So whats the point with missions in low/nullsec? To keep the wimps from getting the better rewards associated with greater risk. Originally by: Lost Greybeard (Side note: if you want to be immune to PvP, your only option is to not undock your ship... and pray that Incarna doesn't add PvP to the inside of stations.) And boy oh boy I hope that it does! Unfortunately I doubt it will. At the very least though, CCP could make those exotic dancer, livestock trade items appear as station pets or something. The source of all legend
Marduk Nibiru	Posted - 2011.05.10 23:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Hendrix Jr And I want to PvP in every system without getting attacked by Concord. But as a very wise man once said, you can't always get what you want. Just wardec EVERYONE. Works for ADOPT. The source of all legend

Lady Go Diveher	Posted - 2011.05.11 10:14:00 - [61] Lifted from OP's bio: Quote: "You cannot battle in a ferox.." - Sure he can. He is a combat pilot. Even the extravagant Angels fear for his ferox and whole worlds collide approaching his navy gunboat The kill: Battleclinic Deep breath, and .. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH I love how his attempt to stab the bling-bling Ferox. WTF did he think would happen? OP is a lunatic and a fool. YOU openly consented to PVP by entering a PVP area. "What's the point in low/null missions?" Better rewards for more risk. If you don't want the risk, accept a lower reward. There's something for everyone. You're dumb** enough to think you can have your cake and eat it too. FYI this post has pretty much said to everyone "follow me around and wardec my corp, because I'm a **ing idiot and will pad your killboard nicely." If this isn't an emo-whine leading to a unsubscribe, it soon will be
Jommis Honningbarna	Posted - 2011.05.11 12:08:00 - [62] Originally by: Madmikos Sorry I meant the OP: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9611874 I endorce this fit
Nuela	Posted - 2011.05.11 18:39:00 - [63] Edited by: Nuela on 11/05/2011 18:41:40 Holy crap! I mission in low-sec from time to time particularly during wardecs...and my ship isn't a cheap piece of crap but it is 300 mill tops...probably more like 250 mill. >2 bill isk FEROX in lowsec? wth dude! OP...look me up in game. I will show you the ropes :) I mean...I have a 1 bill isk Naval Caracal...but that sucker will never see the light of lowsec. People are too fixated on 'quality'. The difference between a T1 crapmobile and a T3 fancy boat is not THAT large in performance...particularly for PvE.
Herrring Amarr National Quality Breaker Vicious OuTLaW	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:31:00 - [64] Originally by: Nuela Edited by: Nuela on 11/05/2011 18:41:40 Holy crap! I mission in low-sec from time to time particularly during wardecs...and my ship isn't a cheap piece of crap but it is 300 mill tops...probably more like 250 mill. >2 bill isk FEROX in lowsec? wth dude! OP...look me up in game. I will show you the ropes :) I mean...I have a 1 bill isk Naval Caracal...but that sucker will never see the light of lowsec. People are too fixated on 'quality'. The difference between a T1 crapmobile and a T3 fancy boat is not THAT large in performance...particularly for PvE. for low sec it is... you can get a decent tank+ damage while being unprobeable in a T3. Being unprobable reallly helps in low sec missions
Tel'me Am Peur	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:48:00 - [65] Originally by: Herrring Being unprobable reallly helps in low sec missions Going to be great when this is nerfed.
Gavin DeVries	Posted - 2011.05.12 00:03:00 - [66] Edited by: Gavin DeVries on 12/05/2011 00:04:21 Cut the OP a small break here. Ihakana is part of the Caldari COSMOS constellation, and the only lowsec system in it. From the four stabs fitted and the faction MFSs in the hold I'd guess he was trying to either get to or from Otomainen; most likely "to" since he wasn't carrying a Michi's excavation implant. But he ran into an Onyx, and no amount of stabs could save him. Oops. Beware the pirates of Ihakana. Edit - Ok, I kept a straight face while typing that, but lost it right after posting. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
Darcy D'Spledide	Posted - 2011.05.22 17:00:00 - [67] Originally by: Gavin DeVries Edited by: Gavin DeVries on 12/05/2011 00:04:21 Cut the OP a small break here. Ihakana is part of the Caldari COSMOS constellation, and the only lowsec system in it. From the four stabs fitted and the faction MFSs in the hold I'd guess he was trying to either get to or from Otomainen; most likely "to" since he wasn't carrying a Michi's excavation implant. But he ran into an Onyx, and no amount of stabs could save him. Oops. Beware the pirates of Ihakana. By jove Holmes, I don't know how you do it
Caius Sivaris Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.	Posted - 2011.05.22 17:27:00 - [68] Edited by: Caius Sivaris on 22/05/2011 17:29:33 Originally by: herta Shaishi A valid question is raised in this thread - when CCP would make the most profit - if it targets mass market of average online players or if it targets a small market niche of sociopaths? Mass market is way better served by games with more polish and less bugs anyway, so the sociopath are realistically the only market CCP got a chance to succeed in...
Bravitzlana Rubakalva	Posted - 2011.05.23 02:33:00 - [69] Guess a new player can't ask a question with out being trolled, looks like a lot of b.net kiddies migrated from WoW to troll our forums. Nullsec is the only source of the pirate faction ships, just like you can buy a CNR running Cal Navy missions you can buy all manner of faction ship BPC's by running missions in NPC Null. All mission hub systems are typically locked down by alliances who want to monopolize on the LP stores there though. It's an issue of RVR and mission running in low/null is a different beast with whole new set of challenges compared to running missions in highsec. As it was said before you wouldn't attempt running missions alone in low/null with strangers in the system. My main mission running toon has standing over 7.06 standing with Guardian Angels. I ran some missions solo, with the protection of my alliance in system, and the surrounding systems, and we also ran missions in gangs. Either way though the alliance provided the protection needed to do it, and we'd still dock up our PVE fit ships when neuts/reds would enter system. Again to reiterate what's been said, it's all about Risk Vs Reward, and honestly some people just like the challenge involved with running missions in hostile territory.
tofucake prime The Hatchery	Posted - 2011.05.23 03:42:00 - [70] Originally by: Bravitzlana Rubakalva Guess a new player can't ask a question with out being trolled The fact that he flies a Ferox certainly helps your point, but the fact that it costs over 2 bil sort of destroys it.

Plus 1	Posted - 2011.05.23 03:57:00 - [71] Originally by: Jommis Originally by: Madmikos Sorry I meant the OP: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9611874 I endorce this fit He got infi-pointed by testicals.
Spruillo Gallente Spruillo Corp	Posted - 2011.05.23 04:46:00 - [72] Originally by: FlameGlow Why didn't anyone tell me before you 0.0 agents were useless? And there I was, not knowing it, running 4-5 missions per day, losing ships occasionally and selling roughly 1 bn worth of crystal implants per week CAN I HQVE YOUR STUFF? Originally by: CCP Big Dumb Object When I nerf something, it takes 2-3 months for your dreams to be crushed.


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