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Chillette Ichinumi
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Posted - 2011.05.07 19:43:00 -
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Hi guys,
Posting from an alt for reasons that will become apparent :-)
I've recently joined a PvP corp from a carebear corp as I got bored and decided I had enough of a isk buffer to live a PvP lifestyle for a while. The problem is, of the many alliance ops we get, I am about 2 weeks from having the required skills to be fly anything that they need, so I find myself station spinning or trying to solo roam.
I have pretty much no solo PvP experience though. Can anybody give me some ships/fits that might work for me, and give me an idea of what kind of regions to roam? I am a minmatar pilot with caldari skills too. Heavy missile skills but not HAM's. I have shield tanking skills but not much armour skills. I can fly minmatar up to a BS, caldari up to a BC, and a Tengu. I have been out roaming in my tengu recently, but not having much luck. I just need something to keep me entertained for two weeks while I skill up for a fleet ship.
Thanks
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.07 19:48:00 -
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You can certainly fly a tackle frigate, right? Rifter, Merlin, whatever.. if they don't want you out with them in one of those, you picked a bad corp to join, imo. EVERY gang needs tackle, and you can learn for teh cheapz.
My feeling is to put the Tengu away for the time being. As you're just learning, it's going to be a very pimp target, and generally those that catch you will be more experienced. Losing something that expensive right off the bat is tough to overcome. Again, I would just look to volunteer to fly tackle frigs until you got your skills up. That way you can learn how fleets work, get a feel for your FC's style of calling, that sort of thing, before you bring something worth a bunch out on the town.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.05.07 19:49:00 -
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Chillette Ichinumi
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Posted - 2011.05.07 19:54:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast You can certainly fly a tackle frigate, right? Rifter, Merlin, whatever.. if they don't want you out with them in one of those, you picked a bad corp to join, imo. EVERY gang needs tackle, and you can learn for teh cheapz.
My feeling is to put the Tengu away for the time being. As you're just learning, it's going to be a very pimp target, and generally those that catch you will be more experienced. Losing something that expensive right off the bat is tough to overcome. Again, I would just look to volunteer to fly tackle frigs until you got your skills up. That way you can learn how fleets work, get a feel for your FC's style of calling, that sort of thing, before you bring something worth a bunch out on the town.
Yeah I can fly rifters and such, but rifters aren't good enough for our kind of fleets. They use more fancy ships as tackle. I have plenty of fleet experience anyway to be honest, small and big. It's the solo stuff that lets me down.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.07 20:05:00 -
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Ah, okay. Honestly, I'm a horrible solo pewer, so I'm not a lot of help to you.
But you SHOULD be able to get into a dramiel in hours.. what about taking that on your fleet?
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Chillette Ichinumi
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Posted - 2011.05.07 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast Ah, okay. Honestly, I'm a horrible solo pewer, so I'm not a lot of help to you.
But you SHOULD be able to get into a dramiel in hours.. what about taking that on your fleet?
I can use a dram too lol ... I think they use t3's as tackle but you need to fit support links too. I can't use them at the minute, something else I need to do.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.07 20:17:00 -
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Fair nuff.
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Myrdraeus Keaunt
Minmatar Chaos Delivery Systems
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Posted - 2011.05.08 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chillette Ichinumi
Yeah I can fly rifters and such, but rifters aren't good enough for our kind of fleets. They use more fancy ships as tackle. I have plenty of fleet experience anyway to be honest, small and big. It's the solo stuff that lets me down.
I had (well a different toon) the unfortunate hapenstance to end up in an alliance that was stuck up like this once. Although there where a few great people in it, and more reasonable FC's, the vocal majority was very elitist and had no room for people that couldn't fly fully fitted T2 battleships. If you dared fly a rifter in their fleet they would freak out about you wasting space and being useless.
It's total crap. Get the hell out of the place you're in. T1 frigates make excelent scouts, decent, throwaway tacklers, etc.... Before wasting all your ISK on big ships you don't even know how to fly, you need to enter into fleets in this way. Yes, a true interceptor is faster than a rifter will ever be. So what? Not so much faster that there's absolutely no use in fielding a rifter when you can't fly the interceptor.
It doesn't get any better with corps and alliances like this either. No matter how skilled you are, no matter how much you adhere to their stipulations about what to fit, etc...they're still going to blame everyone but themselves for their losses. Throw 300mil down the drain trying to help them and they'll make fun of you for not being able to fit the T2 version of X module (even though you spent 10x as much to get the Meta 4 version).
Just GTFO....now. I speak from experience. You don't have to put up with it, there's better groups out there that will actually be fun to fly with, will teach you, and won't give you hell for being new (which I'm sure they knew when you signed on or they're bigger idiots than they seem).
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Edbert
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
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Posted - 2011.05.08 06:52:00 -
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Honestly your in with the wrong corp and i would like to a see a tengu tackle better than my dram so them not wanting a dram as tackle is a load the only thing tengu has on dram is buffer to hold a target down but faction frigs or ships you can fit a cloak on (improved/covert) are good pvp ships its all about experience which you dont have but if you go out there look for carebear infested systems you'll get sum pew on
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Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.08 11:19:00 -
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Edited by: Annie Anomie on 08/05/2011 11:22:07
Originally by: Chillette Ichinumi Hi guys,
Posting from an alt for reasons that will become apparent :-)
I've recently joined a PvP corp from a carebear corp as I got bored and decided I had enough of a isk buffer to live a PvP lifestyle for a while. The problem is, of the many alliance ops we get, I am about 2 weeks from having the required skills to be fly anything that they need, so I find myself station spinning or trying to solo roam.
I have pretty much no solo PvP experience though. Can anybody give me some ships/fits that might work for me, and give me an idea of what kind of regions to roam? I am a minmatar pilot with caldari skills too. Heavy missile skills but not HAM's. I have shield tanking skills but not much armour skills. I can fly minmatar up to a BS, caldari up to a BC, and a Tengu. I have been out roaming in my tengu recently, but not having much luck. I just need something to keep me entertained for two weeks while I skill up for a fleet ship.
Thanks
Shield Cane and Rupture are made of win and awesome.
Rupture: http://sotf.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9608372
Cane (wants 3 CDFE rigs, not an anti-em); http://sotf.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=9518530
Both of these are pretty fast for the DPS they lay down, have adequate anti-frig defences and are fairly versatile in terms of the DPS they do. They're also both really fun to fly. Also, they're cheap especially relative to what they will do.
I want to tell you to go learn in a rifter but tbh in this day and age got no idea how that will work out for you. Drams are cheap-ish :S
I'd be somewhat surprised if your corp refused to have you along in a dram/intie as fast tackle. I guess if you're gatecamping all day long that isn't going to work.
Also to be brutally honest if some guy in my corp with a tengu in his hangar (a tengu he was happy to solo with) brought a rifter along to a fleet after the first couple of weeks I'd give him some er... gentle feedback about his participation. A tengu is what... 800m and up? A rifter is like 10m at most. It's not about being new, it's about giving the appearance of being very rich but not wanting to put anything on the line in a pew pew gang.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.05.08 17:26:00 -
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Good day Chillette Ichinumi:
Low Security Space PVP Mechanics 101
Recommended reading for solo combat roaming
Rifter Drifter Guide to solo PVP
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info
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Vordak Kallager
Minmatar Autocannons Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.05.08 20:54:00 -
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I'm going to second what people have been saying: go find a more laidback corp to learn in, this is only a game after all.
However, you are asking for solo pvp advice so here are some tips:
1) Jaguar. Sounds like you can fly one with a standard fit and they make an excellent solo frigate, able to take a bit of a beating, move quick and put out good DPS. Look for targets you can tank and if you stumble across a larger gang, see if you can't bait some of their tackle out 100km to give you time to take it down and GTFO. Remember in Frigate fights to OverHeat right off the bat since they are usually over before you know it. 2) Learn the standard and non-standard fits of (literally) every ship in the game or at least have that kind of information readily available to you through corpmates or by looking at your opponent's battleclinic. This kind of metagaming gives you an edge over your opponent and lets you know what you can and can't engage. 3) Watch solo PVP videos. Zach Donnell's "Who You Gonna Call" series has some excellent solo-frigate action as well as Prometheus Exenthal's "Frigank" series which is absolutely top-notch. Analyze what they do, pay attention to any comments they make in the video and try and emulate what they do successfully. 4) A lot of PVP is just about getting the confidence to engage, so blast some music and just BRAWL IT THE **** DOWN.
Good luck. o7
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Jack Abramof
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Posted - 2011.05.08 20:59:00 -
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Learn to pvp into cheap T1 frig and if they freak out because you re in a T1 frig, tell em to p*ss off and look for nicer corp who will teach you the ropes. Find some low sec/0.0 corp that do small gangs pvp, not those huge blobs where most people are clueless anyway. They should be able to give you good advices, mistakes to avoid, how to scout, lok for intel etc etc..
PS : don't solo roam in 0.0 in a tengu please, also you dont need a 100 mill frig like a dramiel to lackle, your alliance if theyre not complete muppets should give you inties for alliance/corp ops.
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Starnap
Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.05.09 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chillette Ichinumi ... I think they use t3's as tackle but you need to fit support links too. I can't use them at the minute, something else I need to do.
They are tossers. Get out before they turn you into a tosser too.
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Abenham
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Posted - 2011.05.09 12:43:00 -
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Other posters have already outlined that you can still be useful in a fleet even with limited skills. I won't jump on that bandwagon.
Learning to solo pvp is still a fun thing to do and may help you with awareness while you're in fleet.
Wensley's Rifter Drifter Guide is a good place to start. As is Skira Ranos' Guide to Piracy. (Both very easy to find with google)
One more to definately have a look at is http://flight-of-dragons.blogspot.com/2011/02/plan-or-how-to-learn-to-solo-pvp-in-new.htmlFlight of the Dragons[/url] - which I've linked as I struggled to find it at fisrt.
Good luck!
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Orion Pax
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Posted - 2011.05.10 14:47:00 -
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Edited by: Orion Pax on 10/05/2011 14:48:35
Originally by: Chillette Ichinumi
The problem is, of the many alliance ops we get, I am about 2 weeks from having the required skills to be fly anything that they need, so I find myself station spinning or trying to solo roam.
50 Noobships can actually kill a ship
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1hV4jo8uys&feature=youtu.be&hd=1
Every ship matters.
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Luke Hartelse
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Posted - 2011.05.11 09:00:00 -
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Best way to learn PVP is by doing it, i learnt everything by loosing ships, you will find yourself when your fighting and if you end up losing the fight you will then teach yourself what you missed and what you did wrong and what you could have done if blah blah and then use that in your next fight. i lost lots of ships when i was a younger pilot, i was a pure hulk pilot when i started and then got into my first kestrel in my mates pvp corp and never looked back :) the biggest rule in PVP is flying something you can buy atleast 3 of or more never fly something that if it dies leaves you with nothing left.
So my advice is leave the corp your in because they sound like a bunch of snobs, either join a smaller corp or go solo and get used to the ropes first learn how to fight in each level of ship starting with t1 frigates and you will know PVP in no time, well atleast the basics, ive been playing almost 3 years and still finding new things to improve like yesterday when i stupidly lost a drake in a wormhole :>.
if you need help with fits n stuff or wanna spar hit me up in game and i will be happy to help :) i know my fits :)
Good Luck, Luke
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2011.05.12 09:39:00 -
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it sounds like your alliance/corp is full of *******s, not letting you roam with them due to lack of SP's and not having the required ship.
What kind of gangs do these idiots run? I am going to guess its like 50 man hac/inty/RR and long point proteus/long web loki and **** with a tengu running links
Leave the corp and join one that isent full of people who think they are better than you because you cant fly what they want you too
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbo3771 it sounds like your alliance/corp is full of *******s, not letting you roam with them due to lack of SP's and not having the required ship.
What kind of gangs do these idiots run? I am going to guess its like 50 man hac/inty/RR and long point proteus/long web loki and **** with a tengu running links
Leave the corp and join one that isent full of people who think they are better than you because you cant fly what they want you too
Sure, you can bring your Hurricane to this AHAC gang, nbd. I mean, it's not like anyone put any thought into our fits and fleet comp. And hey, who cares about winning?
Real talk, don't bring mismatched bull**** to fleets.
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Conor Todaki
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 20:59:00 -
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Everyone needs tackler frigs. Surely they'd let you take one of them?
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Katsu'Ito Tokugawa
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Posted - 2011.05.12 21:29:00 -
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Confirming that Mfume is Elo knight. Hello Elo.
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Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Annie Anomie Also to be brutally honest if some guy in my corp with a tengu in his hangar (a tengu he was happy to solo with) brought a rifter along to a fleet after the first couple of weeks I'd give him some er... gentle feedback about his participation. A tengu is what... 800m and up? A rifter is like 10m at most. It's not about being new, it's about giving the appearance of being very rich but not wanting to put anything on the line in a pew pew gang.
I have a carrier. Doesn't mean I'm going to undock it for ****, just because I want to stroke the epeen of my corpmates. I understand what you're saying about him wanting to solo in it but won't undock with some support, but wouldn't you rather he put the thing away for a few weeks at least, learn how to do it with cheap **** and then bring the Tengu and make an even bigger contribution?
Also a Dramiel is what... 60/70mil? That's quite a few fitted Rifters ready to burn through. The same amount of Drams fully fitted... I dread to think how much that would be if you're losing Drams with faction MWDs instead...
To the OP, gtfo of that corp you're in. They don't want cheap tackle wtf? Do they want you to burn a small fortune and nerf their board stats? Try throwing that at them if they're funny about you wanting to use cheaper gear, they sound like they'd give a crap about that sort of thing. ============= HERE'S TO ME, HERE'S TO YOU, THE BEST OF FRIENDS, WILL ALWAYS BE! BUT IF WE SHOULD....DISAGREE! TO HELL WITH YOU AND HERE'S TO ME! CHUG! CHUG! CHUG! CHUG! ============= |
Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2011.05.13 14:13:00 -
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Herotank arty thrashers with a sebo are fun, useful in most fleets and pretty cheap. They are very fast and superb for popping enemy bombers & tackle frigs. They insta-die to any serious firepower, but pop just one pirate or T2 frig first and it's a win
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Diablo Ex
Caldari Reasonable People
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Posted - 2011.05.13 14:15:00 -
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Your problem is the corp you joined. They sound lame if they aren't interested in teaching PvP with the T1 stuff. I would advise you move to a corp that would love to have you... Red vs Blue.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Katsu'Ito Tokugawa Confirming that Mfume is Elo knight. Hello Elo.
lol
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Barrak
Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.15 08:46:00 -
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I had the same problems when I first joined my old Corp..... though I hasten to add, it wasn't a case of not being invited, more a case of me not feeling up to it (very different).
After all of that I actualy dedicated myself to playing a skirmishing role. I got all my nav skills to 5, my prop jamming to 5 etc etc..... and it's very true what someone else said.... playing the role of a skirmisher (tackler) means you learn a lot, far more so than being part of the blob.
Personaly I would recomend another course of action, as suggest by someone above me. JOin RvB (this is not a recruitment statement) and have some fun learning small scale PvP in cheap a$$ ships and with a very low risk (apart from WT's) of losing your pod.
You WILL learn stuff there as there are some good FC's and some good solo pilots. Whilst doing this, you can work on some of the core skills you may need.
As someone else suggested, do NOT rush into ships just to fit in, that is a surefire way of being disapointed with the game. Are yo aware that you lose SP when you lose a T3?
Stick to the small cheap ships to start with and work your SP into your choosen fields, this way, it's 'almost' fun losing them :) and you WILL learn more this way.......... this is applicable whether its in RvB or not.
If you have not heard of RvB it is Red vs Blue. Two corps, run by the same person, who are in an agreed war in hisec. Sounds kinda boring, but often it is by far the quickest way to get some pewpew.......
Regards Barrak
ps... they have a ship replacement program.
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Gibbo3771
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Posted - 2011.05.15 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Originally by: Gibbo3771 it sounds like your alliance/corp is full of *******s, not letting you roam with them due to lack of SP's and not having the required ship.
What kind of gangs do these idiots run? I am going to guess its like 50 man hac/inty/RR and long point proteus/long web loki and **** with a tengu running links
Leave the corp and join one that isent full of people who think they are better than you because you cant fly what they want you too
Sure, you can bring your Hurricane to this AHAC gang, nbd. I mean, it's not like anyone put any thought into our fits and fleet comp. And hey, who cares about winning?
Real talk, don't bring mismatched bull**** to fleets.
Did I mention bringing a cane on a AHAC gang you fkin ****? Nothing wrong with him bringing a rifter with a point, mse and mwd to boot. Ever fleet needs more tackle, tackle in small skirmish is always primary, bring enough it and it flanks the enemy long enough to remove DPS.
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Fuazzole
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Posted - 2011.05.15 10:36:00 -
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Join Faction Warfare, keep your Tengu & Clone parked and use ONLY for PvE, this is your "income" lose it and your dead.
Use a % of your income to fund your PvP needs, say you make 100m / week casualy put aside (up to you) 50% of that and buy ships/modules in bulk, fit up 10x kestrals to start with and go PvP with your comrades.
Bigger ship doesn't mean bigger fun, start in frig/cruiser no matter how imba a ship or how good your skills the enemy will adapt and adapt fast, this is how even Titans get popped.
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Mfume Apocal on 15/05/2011 12:04:24
Originally by: Gibbo3771 Did I mention bringing a cane on a AHAC gang you fkin ****?
Quote: What kind of gangs do these idiots run? I am going to guess its like 50 man hac/inty/RR and long point proteus/long web loki and **** with a tengu running links
yo. i just threw in the cane part to get a spergy madpost out of you. op success btw.
Quote: Leave the corp and join one that isent full of people who think they are better than you because you cant fly what they want you too
lol. plus he's only two weeks away from filling a role, so it's like two weeks of trolling or w/e.
Quote: Nothing wrong with him bringing a rifter with a point, mse and mwd to boot. Ever fleet needs more tackle, tackle in small skirmish is always primary, bring enough it and it flanks the enemy long enough to remove DPS.
lol
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RuthAD
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Posted - 2011.05.16 15:00:00 -
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OP here, different toon. Still not my main :P
I feel I may have been unfair to my new corp and not given them enough time. Since posting, I have been on many small roams and large fleet battles. I had 30+ kills yesterday alone so all is going well and I'm really enjoying it, especially the smaller roams with 5-15 of us.
I'd still like to learn solo stuff though, so thanks for all the messages of advice.
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