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Tres Farmer Gallente Federation Intelligence Service	Posted - 2011.05.09 00:33:00 - [31] What is CCP most worried about in regards to the Eve economy (officially)? inflation (currently 5-6%/year, aim to have it at 2-3%) RMT (best would be eliminated) Now, what would happen if CCP goes into the market, buys PLEX and disposes them without the need to have the servers running for those hand full of PLEX? injection of isk into the game, fuelling inflation increasing price of PLEX, making RMT offers more appealing earning 17.95$ per PLEX disposed So, stay in panic mode and put your tin-foil-hat on, you're gonna need it!!! Get rid of Rooms with Doors - Shortrange Jumpdrives for everybody!
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.09 04:37:00 - [32] How could you possibly think that increasing the amount of isk you get for selling a plex would lead to people selling LESS plex? I admire your astute financial prowess.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2011.05.09 04:57:00 - [33] The sheer amount of fail-logic in this thread is so hilarious. I want more of that funny stuff...keep it coming!
David Grubev	Posted - 2011.05.09 06:33:00 - [34] I figure the point the OP is trying to make is that with these large donation drives CCP has been doing lately, the company is creating a considerable PLEX sink ingame. The immediate result is the depletion of supply, thus driving PLEX prices up. This translates into artificially inflated prices for the average PLEX buyer. What the op implies is that CCP isn't doing this out of charity, but merely as a means of making PLEX sells profitable, thus more people buying gamecodes. Note:I do not adhere to this theory, I'm merely pointing out a side of the discussion that has yet to be tackled.
Deus Toran	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:02:00 - [35] I would like to know how CCP would covertly stabilize the PLEX market if they decide to take action. It is certainly true that creating money to buy and then trash PLEXs would contribute to inflation by adding another ISK source which, as an earlier poster commented, is counter to their stated goals. It would be a little dubious as well. When players buy game time, they are paying for a service. When players convert a GTC to a PLEX and sell it, they're selling that service for ISK. If a CCP sponsored entity used 'free isk' to purchase that PLEX and destroy it, then the end result would be CCP selling in game currency for real money as nobody would benefit from the originally purchased service. Is this happening or even likely to ever happen? Perhaps not, but there's no reason to hate on people discussing that. I would be interested in hearing other methods of manipulating the PLEX market.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:09:00 - [36] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/05/2011 04:47:42 injection of isk into the game, fuelling inflation[/*] What about the ISK you get when you complete missions or kill rats? Isn't that essentially injected?
Deus Toran	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:14:00 - [37] Originally by: Andski Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/05/2011 04:47:42 injection of isk into the game, fuelling inflation[/*] What about the ISK you get when you complete missions or kill rats? Isn't that essentially injected? Yes, that is a source of ISK generation that gets injected into circulation. The methods discussed here would be an additional 'injection' of ISK into the market. Buying blueprints and other items from NPCs is a 'sink' because that money essentially disappears when you hand it to the NPC. The idea is to control the balance so that you don't get runaway inflation or deflation. Try reading the quarterly economic reports in the dev blogs.
Anddeh McNab Cadre Assault Force	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:14:00 - [38] EVE Online reaches new levels of immersion with the recent introduction of the "Conspiracy Nut" profession. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person.
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Anddeh McNab EVE Online reaches new levels of immersion with the recent introduction of the "Conspiracy Nut" profession. There are two sides to the EVE community; those that scream for change and those that scream against it. Often they are the same person. There's also people who get all emotional over things on the one hand and there's people that stick to facts or hypothesis on the other. No need to scream or get upset.
ModeratedToSilence	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:34:00 - [40] Originally by: David Grubev I figure the point the OP is trying to make is that with these large donation drives CCP has been doing lately, the company is creating a considerable PLEX sink ingame. The immediate result is the depletion of supply, thus driving PLEX prices up. This translates into artificially inflated prices for the average PLEX buyer. What the op implies is that CCP isn't doing this out of charity, but merely as a means of making PLEX sells profitable, thus more people buying gamecodes. Note:I do not adhere to this theory, I'm merely pointing out a side of the discussion that has yet to be tackled. This. I think the effect described by David Grubev is reality. I highly doubt that CCP are running this as an intentional scam. I doubt that ccp would have the know how to pull it off.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:46:00 - [41] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 09/05/2011 07:47:18 Originally by: David Grubev I figure the point the OP is trying to make is that with these large donation drives CCP has been doing lately, the company is creating a considerable PLEX sink ingame. The immediate result is the depletion of supply, thus driving PLEX prices up. This translates into artificially inflated prices for the average PLEX buyer. What the op implies is that CCP isn't doing this out of charity, but merely as a means of making PLEX sells profitable, thus more people buying gamecodes. Note:I do not adhere to this theory, I'm merely pointing out a side of the discussion that has yet to be tackled. Also, the more isk people can get for selling a PLEX, the less attractive RMT is. (And don't forget, high plex prices drive down RMT revenue while increasing their operating costs which is a win/win situation as far as CCP is concerned.)
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.05.09 15:15:00 - [42] Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 09/05/2011 04:47:42 What is CCP most worried about in regards to the Eve economy (officially)? inflation (currently 5-6%/year, aim to have it at 2-3%) RMT (best would be eliminated) Now, what would happen if CCP goes into the market, buys PLEX and disposes them without the need to have the servers running for those hand full of PLEX? injection of isk into the game, fuelling inflation increasing price of PLEX, making RMT offers more appealing earning 17.95$ per PLEX disposed So, stay in panic mode and put on your tin-foil-pants, to protect the part you're thinking with The most important thing to come out of this thread is that someone watches iCarly. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.09 15:36:00 - [43] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/05/2011 15:37:13 How do these ludicrous threads even get started, let alone people believing the "special" logic they promote? 1: The Real Currency value of a PLEX is set. 2: For CCP to make any "extra" money either the Real Currency value/price would have to be increased, or more PLEX would have to be sold BEYOND THOSE PURCHASED FOR DONATION as all procedes from dontated PLEX go to the Red Cross. 3: Now use your brain. The rising ISK value of PLEX puts no extra Real Currency directly in CCP's hands at all. The rising ISK value of PLEX puts no extra Real Currency indirectly in CCP's hands, more people decide that extra account is not worth it and actually fewer PLEX are likely to be purchased. More PLEX sold because they are going to be donated to charity puts no extra Real Currency in CCP's hands at all (less actually, as the charity donations, VAT, handling, etc. are contributed by CCP). Think things like this through and quit being manupulated by the trolls. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Demolishar	Posted - 2011.05.09 15:56:00 - [44] I like how CCP's promotion of the whole "HTFU" thing, has basically made them impervious to complaints, as everyone sides with CCP who are "griefing" the whiners and therefore very cool etc.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.09 16:01:00 - [45] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/05/2011 16:02:07 Originally by: Demolishar I like how CCP's promotion of the whole "HTFU" thing, has basically made them impervious to complaints, as everyone sides with CCP who are "griefing" the whiners and therefore very cool etc. Legitimate complains are fine, actually encouraged. Nonsensical, paranoid, illogical theory crafting is a bit over the top. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Mister Rocknrolla	Posted - 2011.05.09 16:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Jennifer Starling Originally by: Mr Kidd Inside the game, CCP's control is not exclusive but, nearly so. There's just no way to prove or disprove this imo. That's kinda the whole point of a conspiracy theory. These psychonauts grab gaps in information with both hands and run wild with them. Didn't you know, the Caldari, Minmatar, Amarr and Gallente are actually all working together to create a "new galaxy order" in order to enslave all of the capsuleers. It's true....Alex Jones says so.
Deus Toran	Posted - 2011.05.09 16:11:00 - [47] Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/05/2011 15:52:09 How do these ludicrous threads even get started, let alone people believing the "special" logic they promote? 1: The Real Currency value of a PLEX is set. 2: For CCP to make any "extra" money either the Real Currency value/price would have to be increased, or more PLEX would have to be sold BEYOND THOSE PURCHASED FOR DONATION as all procedes from dontated PLEX go to the Red Cross. 3: Now use your brain. The rising ISK value of PLEX puts no extra Real Currency directly in CCP's hands at all. The rising ISK value of PLEX puts no extra Real Currency indirectly in CCP's hands, more people decide that extra account is not worth it and actually fewer PLEX are likely to be purchased. More PLEX sold because they are going to be donated to charity puts no extra Real Currency in CCP's hands at all (less actually, as the charity donations, VAT, handling, etc. are contributed by CCP). Think things like this through and quit being manupulated by the trolls. Edit: To the person that thought CCP would make money if they "bought" and destroyed PLEX themselvs... wow, really? Where does the money come from to "buy" these PLEX? Oh yeah, it would come from CCP... so they could make more money... by destroying what they bought... with their money. You do realize that CCP can create as many PLEX, or as much ISK, or really anything in-game that they wish with a button click right? Why would they go to such silly, not to mention stupidly self-defeating, lengths? Again, the price of PLEX raising sharply in-game is more likely to cause fewer PLEX to be purchased (at the set "real world" price) than to encourage extra sales. In fact, the best thing for CCP's bottom line is for PLEX to be as cheap to purchase (with ISK) as possible, so that more are sold. If you're going to rage instead of having a rational discussion, at least do people the service of reading the posts. A PLAYER buys a GTC and converts it to PLEX. CCP makes the set Real Currency value of the GTC. That player puts the PLEX on the open market in EVE. A CCP sponsored entity uses free, dev-generated ISK to purchase the PLEX on the open market and then trashes it. An unredeemed PLEX on the market represents game time owed to a player. By destroying that they create pressure for people who might have otherwise bought that to give CCP money for more account time and all they have supplied to the purchaser of the GTC and the game as a whole is the market ISK value of PLEX. I don't think this is likely actually happening, but unless I'm missing something huge this seems to make logical sense, Ranger.
Ranger 1 Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent	Posted - 2011.05.09 16:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Deus Toran Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 09/05/2011 15:52:09 How do these ludicrous threads even get started, let alone people believing the "special" logic they promote? 1: The Real Currency value of a PLEX is set. 2: For CCP to make any "extra" money either the Real Currency value/price would have to be increased, or more PLEX would have to be sold BEYOND THOSE PURCHASED FOR DONATION as all procedes from dontated PLEX go to the Red Cross. 3: Now use your brain. The rising ISK value of PLEX puts no extra Real Currency directly in CCP's hands at all. The rising ISK value of PLEX puts no extra Real Currency indirectly in CCP's hands, more people decide that extra account is not worth it and actually fewer PLEX are likely to be purchased. More PLEX sold because they are going to be donated to charity puts no extra Real Currency in CCP's hands at all (less actually, as the charity donations, VAT, handling, etc. are contributed by CCP). Think things like this through and quit being manupulated by the trolls. Edit: To the person that thought CCP would make money if they "bought" and destroyed PLEX themselvs... wow, really? Where does the money come from to "buy" these PLEX? Oh yeah, it would come from CCP... so they could make more money... by destroying what they bought... with their money. You do realize that CCP can create as many PLEX, or as much ISK, or really anything in-game that they wish with a button click right? Why would they go to such silly, not to mention stupidly self-defeating, lengths? Again, the price of PLEX raising sharply in-game is more likely to cause fewer PLEX to be purchased (at the set "real world" price) than to encourage extra sales. In fact, the best thing for CCP's bottom line is for PLEX to be as cheap to purchase (with ISK) as possible, so that more are sold. If you're going to rage instead of having a rational discussion, at least do people the service of reading the posts. A PLAYER buys a GTC and converts it to PLEX. CCP makes the set Real Currency value of the GTC. That player puts the PLEX on the open market in EVE. A CCP sponsored entity uses free, dev-generated ISK to purchase the PLEX on the open market and then trashes it. An unredeemed PLEX on the market represents game time owed to a player. By destroying that they create pressure for people who might have otherwise bought that to give CCP money for more account time and all they have supplied to the purchaser of the GTC and the game as a whole is the market ISK value of PLEX. I don't think this is likely actually happening, but unless I'm missing something huge this seems to make logical sense, Ranger. As I pointed out, the only effect artificially reducing supply would have is to drive up the in-game price of a PLEX. (Remember, in-game PLEX prices rising during PLEX for Good events is what has sparked most of these conspiracy threads.) Which would in turn would cause less PLEX to be purchased in-game. (Higher ISK prices on PLEX means people cut back on PLEX funded alts.) Which would in turn would cause less PLEX to be legitimately purchased with real currency for resale in-game. Which puts less real currency in CCP's pocket. Pointing out the obvious does not = rage. Amusement perhaps, but not rage. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction.
Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood	Posted - 2011.05.09 16:55:00 - [49] Edited by: Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood on 09/05/2011 16:55:04 Edited by: Mupdadoodidda Bix Nood on 09/05/2011 16:54:51 Yo PLEX iz uh liability on CCP's balance sheet once dey're paid fo'. It's not like dey're getting any less money (quite da contrary actually, given GTC iz mo' expensive than sub), but too much PLEX up front an' da demand will eventually slow down, que falling GTC sales an' lower revenue. CCP right now iz functioning wif all da subs + PLEX income, uh buildup o' PLEX means less PLEX income due ta poorly matched supply & demand. da market will adjust by buying less PLEX, an' dat means less money (an' shareholders tend ta not like dat kind o' thin`) what 'chew thinkin' man?
Anne Arqui Minmatar Diamonds in the Rough Enterprises	Posted - 2011.05.09 17:30:00 - [50] Originally by: Ranger 1 As I pointed out, the only effect artificially reducing supply would have is to drive up the in-game price of a PLEX. (Remember, in-game PLEX prices rising during PLEX for Good events is what has sparked most of these conspiracy threads.) Which would in turn would cause less PLEX to be purchased in-game. (Higher ISK prices on PLEX means people cut back on PLEX funded alts.) Which would in turn would cause less PLEX to be legitimately purchased with real currency for resale in-game. Which puts less real currency in CCP's pocket. Pointing out the obvious does not = rage. Amusement perhaps, but not rage. That's not neccessarily true. Firstly I don't think a lot of people would mind paying a little more for their plexes and secondly CCP can choose to buy plexes from the game in remote systems where prices are way higher anyway. Every plex not used for redeeming gametime is extra income for CCP because the player pays with RL money instead of using his gametime "voucher" (plex) - so indirectly they do make more money by not missing the income.
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2011.05.09 18:00:00 - [51] @Ranger 1. This will be an up hill struggle, good luck. Originally by: Allestin Villimar Also, if your bookmarks are too far out, they can and will ban you for it. Originally by: Torothanax Low population in w systems makes afk cloaking unattractive.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2011.05.09 18:14:00 - [52] http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1508331 MD thread discussing pretty much the same thing. _ Make ISK\|\|Build\|\|React\|\|1k papercuts
Illiza Gagarine	Posted - 2011.05.09 18:59:00 - [53] Remove the plexes ! and Pay to play .
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.09 19:02:00 - [54] You are all wrong. PLEX are a promise to provide 30 days of game time. That is recorded as a liability on the books. My Personal Speculation: CCP needs to raise more money to fund WoD. One way is to use Eve's subscriber income as collateral. CCP needs to get those PLEX off the books in order to make Eve's numbers look better in order to get more money at a better interest rate. If CCP buys PLEX at inflated prices and otherwise manipulates the market, then that encourages people to sell off their stocks of PLEX. Eve is dying because CCP is pimping out Eve's cash-flow to support WoD. You heard it here second (first time was in the MD thread.) ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.09 23:52:00 - [55] Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 09/05/2011 23:53:28 Originally by: stoicfaux You are all wrong. PLEX are a promise to provide 30 days of game time. That is recorded as a liability on the books. Sorry, that's where you're wrong. GTC are a liability, they have real world value. PLEX have no real world value, because in game items have no real world value. You might have an -in game- item promising you 30 days worth of game time, but you also have a real world binding contract saying that CCP own all 'in game' assets and can turn the servers off at will. PS: All the people saying that high plex prices will cause people to buy less plex are ignoring the fact that high plex prices are being -caused- by people buying more plexes. If people start buying less plex, the price of plex will go down again.
King Aires Kwame's Executive Protection Detail	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:01:00 - [56] CCP runs the damn game... who is to say that they dont create a player, create billions of isk and have it buy up plex on the market and then trash their own plex. CCP pays nothing for the in-game isk they created CCP gets off the hook for months of game time liability Player base never knows because it was done by someone who just looked like a market manipulator. No tinfoil needed, this is probably happening more than anyone would care to admit.
Super Chair Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:04:00 - [57] Ok, so any PLEX in game CCP has made money of off. By donating that in-game item back to CCP they decide to use the money they made off those plex to help out people having a ****ty time out there in the world. Umad?
Lenore Leelu	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:13:00 - [58] Originally by: Ayieka ITS A CONSPURRICY Your spelling is.
Doctor Ungabungas Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:18:00 - [59] Originally by: King Aires CCP gets off the hook for months of game time liability There is no liability here.
Discrodia Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:24:00 - [60] Jesus **. Are you really such a prick that you want CCP to stop enabling it's players to give to good causes, just so you can get a better deal on your plex? It's people like you who make me ashamed to be human. Originally by:** anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!

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