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Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 07:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Kamikaze jihawt on 09/05/2011 07:53:05 Does anyone have an idea on how these will affect missions? Will it lower the lp payouts? Also what about having no effective quality? Is that going to lower mission rewards and bonuses?
Black Angelus	Posted - 2011.05.09 08:28:00 - [2] What makes you think they'll be removed? But if they did I'd say it makes a difference.
Jawhn Henry	Posted - 2011.05.09 08:58:00 - [3] Where did you hear they are removing social skills what evidence do you have
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Black Angelus What makes you think they'll be removed? That's how it is on Sisi at the moment, and it's one logical extension of the removal of agent quality and divisions (another option could have been that they modified something else and that they merged all the different skills into only two or four of them). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Head Hobo Hobo Holdings Your Local Hobos	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:14:00 - [5] So nows a bad time to be maxing out all my social skills
Destamon Azure Freelancers	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Head Hobo So nows a bad time to be maxing out all my social skills You definitely don't want to be training those at the moment, unless you are specced into charisma and want to accumulate as many SP as possible for transfer into off-spec skills once they reimburse the LP skills.
Scorpii Orion	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:18:00 - [7] Will they compensate the loss?
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:18:00 - [8] Originally by: Head Hobo So nows a bad time to be maxing out all my social skills Well yes and no, even though it's an uncertainty because it isn't live yet I would still train social skills. The way it is on sisi right now is that ccp will allow you to apply those skill points to other things like what they did with learning skills.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Scorpii Orion Will they compensate the loss? I think they dumped the SP into the fancy (no longer quite as) new SP-reimbursement pool. No ISK, though, but they should have paid for themselves many times over by now anywayà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:22:00 - [10] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Black Angelus What makes you think they'll be removed? That's how it is on Sisi at the moment, and it's one logical extension of the removal of agent quality and divisions (another option could have been that they modified something else and that they merged all the different skills into only two or four of them). It's hard to say really. Lvl 4 missions in amarr space seem to be about the same, but I'll keep you guys posted. I pulled a lvl 4 infiltrated outpost for 1.2 reward about the same bonus and 5300 lp. right now I am running a lvl 5 wrath of angels with 3 mil reward and bonus with 65k lp. Not sure how that compared to lvl 5 missions before hand.

Rex Nefarius	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Kamikaze jihawt right now I am running a lvl 5 wrath of angels with 3 mil reward and bonus with 65k lp. Not sure how that compared to lvl 5 missions before hand. Wrath of angels should give about 80k LP with both connection skills at 5 Unless it's adjusted this will be a huge nerf to lvl 5 missions where almost the entire reward is in LP. The impacts on lvl 4 missions is a breeze in comparison.
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Rex Nefarius Originally by: Kamikaze jihawt right now I am running a lvl 5 wrath of angels with 3 mil reward and bonus with 65k lp. Not sure how that compared to lvl 5 missions before hand. Wrath of angels should give about 80k LP with both connection skills at 5 Unless it's adjusted this will be a huge nerf to lvl 5 missions where almost the entire reward is in LP. The impacts on lvl 4 missions is a breeze in comparison. Well I hope not. My standing with this agent is 9.3.
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:40:00 - [13] and actually with a shortage of lp points it could actually bring up their isk value if you think about it. CCP may be trying to do that.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Kamikaze jihawt and actually with a shortage of lp points it could actually bring up their isk value if you think about it. CCP may be trying to do that. Unlikely. The LP store is one of their most effective ISK sinks, so if anything, they'd want mission-runners to rely more on LP than on pure ISK rewards. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:48:00 - [15] So that leaves only Fleet command skills that require the Char attribute,... Way to nerf that attribute. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
ExcalibursTemplar	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Scorpii Orion Will they compensate the loss? I think they dumped the SP into the fancy (no longer quite as) new SP-reimbursement pool. No ISK, though, but they should have paid for themselves many times over by now anywayà Unless your like me and have not long bought and trained those skills
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 09:58:00 - [17] So it sounds like ccp doesn't want us to earn as much lp, as far as I can tell I'm not getting the same amount of lp per mission. I think I'm going to start a thread in assembly requesting ccp to not do this. What do you guys think?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.09 10:03:00 - [18] Originally by: syphurous So that leaves only Fleet command skills that require the Char attribute,... Way to nerf that attribute. Weeellà All of the corp skills, all of the trade skills, the remaining social skills, and Infomorph Psychology and Research Project Management (and the aforementioned leadership skills) are still aroundà Oh, and some of the PI skills. I haven't checked if Negotiation has been removed as well, but all in all, it's 7 ranks out of 155 that get the axeà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Kamikaze jihawt	Posted - 2011.05.09 10:09:00 - [19] Edited by: Kamikaze jihawt on 09/05/2011 10:09:27 Originally by: Tippia Originally by: syphurous So that leaves only Fleet command skills that require the Char attribute,... Way to nerf that attribute. Weeellà All of the corp skills, all of the trade skills, the remaining social skills, and Infomorph Psychology and Research Project Management (and the aforementioned leadership skills) are still aroundà Oh, and some of the PI skills. I haven't checked if Negotiation has been removed as well, but all in all, it's 7 ranks out of 155 that get the axeà Negotiation is still there. This almost looks entirely like a nerf on lp rewards.
Xanarae	Posted - 2011.05.09 10:50:00 - [20] Stop being so short sighted, a change like this shouldnt change anything in the long run, except making implants more expensive, which would in turn give you more isk per loyalty point. CCP giveth and CCP taketh

syphurous Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2011.05.09 11:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Xanarae Stop being so short sighted, a change like this shouldnt change anything in the long run, except making implants more expensive, which would in turn give you more isk per loyalty point. CCP giveth and CCP taketh Well, one would have to loose their +4 and +5 / 5% sets, and I don't know of many PVP pilots that use them. I personaly have a +5 and a 5% clone that never leaves high sec, as well as my old +4 clone with 3% & 5% hardwires who sits at the other end of the Galaxy incase I need to jump over there for whatever reason. I have two PvP clones, one with +3's and 3%s for large PvP activities, and one that gets what ever is lying round the hanger for casual PvP where I'm likely to loose it. The reason implants are so cheap is because they are rarely lost and the courier bots crank them out like they were veldspar. Also, with the tag issues this makes more items even more expensive. Fed Navy webs are 60 - 70 mil each, there's no way I'll be buying them for PVP boats if they go much higher. Most people will read this thinking it's part of my post, when its actually my sig :P
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2011.05.09 11:46:00 - [22] Ha, perfect. As there is no skill I can train at the moment that will add much to my game experience, this is a perfect option to save skill points until such a time when new skills have been introduced and I want to take them to level 5 instantly. Thanks for the information. -- Mr. Science & Trade Institute - EVE Lorebook - Mysteries of W-space
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.05.09 11:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Xanarae Stop being so short sighted, a change like this shouldnt change anything in the long run, except making implants more expensive, which would in turn give you more isk per loyalty point. àand except for making ISK even less valuable than before since this change reduces the use of a significant ISK sink. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
stoicfaux Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.09 13:54:00 - [24] What I saw on Sisi this morning was: * Your lp specific skills were removed * The skillpoints were refunded * The lp specific skillbooks are still available in the lp store * You can still buy the lp specific skill books * You can re-train the lp specific skills * Agent quality is gone * You still decline a mission once every 4 hours without penalty * Declining a mission more often than once every 4 hours still minimally reduces your faction standings. Declining recon 1 resulted in a faction hit of -0.0084%. * BUG: The transaction log shows that declining a mission incurred a double hit on my corp standings. Declining recon 1 resulted in two hits to corp standings: -3.1935% and -0.028%. On Sisi it looks like my max LP per mission is 5,989. On live it's 7,127 with the two related LP skills at IV. So if the LP skills really are going away, then LP gain is going down. If the LP skills stay in the game, then LP gain is going up (assuming that the two LP skills provide a straight 40% boost to LP gains.) ----- "Are you a sociopathic paranoid schizophrenic with accounting skills? We have the game for you! -- Eve, the game of Alts, Economics, Machiavelli, and PvP"
Sheynan	Posted - 2011.05.09 18:04:00 - [25] This might be the firt step only. Someone said they wanted to make missions more dynamic, so they might introduce another modifier to lp depending on usage of agents and system or soemthing similar.
Cantrip	Posted - 2011.05.09 18:40:00 - [26] Blame incursions. They're an isk firehose, but they require a group to do. Agent missions are designed for the solo player, as were nullsec anoms (sanctums, etc). With CCP's love of everyone needing groups to do anything, it's no surprise on the major hits solo play is taking now that there is a group PvE activity. The only thing I noticed as odd is that on tranquility a mission runner with social skills would generate slightly more LP for a corp blitzing L4 missions than if he ran incursions and converted the concord LP to that corp's LP, as you lose 20% in the conversion. Eliminate the LP related social skills that didn't modify concord LP earnings, and incursions are the top dog any way you look. Upside? Incursions are a little more fun than L4s. Downside? You need a group to do them, if you just have time for one or two those groups don't want to waste their time. They move around, so someone with limited time will waste most of it traveling. Lastly, incursions can be depleted if people kill the mothership quickly, meaning there will be no incursions to run if people start blitzing them again. What to do? Get used to less pay for mission running, or dump your SP refund in to a buffer tanked DPS, logi, or squad booster boat and line up for your sanctioned leisure activity.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2011.05.09 21:35:00 - [27] Here's hoping they are planning to make agent quality a function of loyalty. The more missions you run, the higher that agent's quality goes (for you), and the more LP you get from her. This would tend to eliminate mission hubs, which would tend to be a nerf to ninja salvagers, as they could potentially have many fewer runners to scan down in the traditional hubs. It would also remove one of the mission runner's objections to moving on to another less-crowded system where ninjas are less active.
Versuvius Marii Ghosts of CKSSA Joined Brotherhood	Posted - 2011.05.09 22:23:00 - [28] Is there any documentation on this such as a devblog? My searches have come up with nothing :( I'd like to be able to read a little more on this if possible. For example why the hell they're nerfing missions again...
Linda Shadowborn Gallente Dark Steel Industries	Posted - 2011.05.10 00:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Sheynan This might be the firt step only. Someone said they wanted to make missions more dynamic, so they might introduce another modifier to lp depending on usage of agents and system or soemthing similar. They nixed that, was a big thread in this forum about it, i think Tippia started it and CCP posted it has been cancelled (the dynamic quality)
Mortimer Civeri Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2011.05.10 01:41:00 - [30] Ah, the MUDflation conundrum has reared its ugly head



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