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Fiona Korvin
Marsh Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.05.11 08:45:00 -
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Edited by: Fiona Korvin on 11/05/2011 08:45:16
I'm currently making a plan to get into an Orca and then an Rorqual. The idea is to use it for mining boosts. I've included the skill list, and would hope for some advice on it. The skills is also based on the following setup for a rorqual:
HIGH
1 x Capital Tractor Beam I
1 x Industrial Core I
1 x Clone Vat Bay I
1 x Improved Cloaking Device II
1 x Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Optimization
1 x Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization
MED
2 x Large Shield Extender II
1 x Invul Field II
1 x Heat Dissipation Field II
1 x Ballistic Deflection Field II
1 x Photon Scattering Field II
1 x Capital Shield Booster I
LOW
3 x Expanded Cargohold II
RIG
3 x Large Cargohold Optimization I
DRONES:
5 x Valkyrie II
5 x Vespa EC-600
10 x Hornet EC-300
5 x Curator I
Comments on the fitting is also apreciated :)
Here comes the skill list:
Mining II
Mining III
Mining IV
Astrogeology I
Astrogeology II
Astrogeology III
Mining Barge I
Mining Barge II
Mining Barge III
Mining Barge IV
Mining Barge V
Mining Foreman I
Mining Foreman II
Mining Foreman III
Mining Foreman IV
Mining Foreman V
Mining Director I
Mining Director II
Mining Director III
Mining Director IV
Mining Director V
Industrial Command Ships I
Advanced Spaceship Command II
Advanced Spaceship Command III
Advanced Spaceship Command IV
Advanced Spaceship Command V
Capital Ships I
Capital Ships II
Capital Industrial Ships I
Navigation III
Navigation IV
Navigation V
Warp Drive Operation II
Warp Drive Operation III
Warp Drive Operation IV
Warp Drive Operation V
Science V
Jump Drive Operation I
Graviton Physics I
Graviton Physics II
Graviton Physics III
Graviton Physics IV
Mass Production I
Mass Production II
Mass Production III
Mass Production IV
Mass Production V
Advanced Mass Production I
Advanced Mass Production II
Advanced Mass Production III
Advanced Mass Production IV
Industrial Reconfiguration I
Capital Ships III
Cloning Facility Operation I
Leadership III
Leadership IV
Leadership V
Shield Upgrades III
Shield Upgrades IV
Tactical Shield Manipulation I
Tactical Shield Manipulation II
Tactical Shield Manipulation III
Tactical Shield Manipulation IV
Shield Management III
Shield Management IV
Shield Management V
Shield Operation IV
Shield Operation V
Capital Shield Operation I
Scout Drone Operation IV
Scout Drone Operation V
Minmatar Drone Specialization I
Minmatar Drone Specialization II
Electronic Warfare II
Electronic Warfare III
Electronic Warfare IV
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing I
Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing II
Drone Interfacing II
Drone Interfacing III
Drone Interfacing IV
Drone Sharpshooting II
Drone Sharpshooting III
Drone Sharpshooting IV
Sentry Drone Interfacing I
Industrial Command Ships II
Industrial Command Ships III
Industrial Command Ships IV
Industrial Command Ships V
Capital Industrial Ships II
Capital Industrial Ships III
Capital Industrial Ships IV
Capital Industrial Ships V
Capital Ships IV
Jump Drive Operation II
Jump Drive Operation III
Jump Drive Operation IV
Jump Drive Operation V
Jump Drive Calibration I
Jump Drive Calibration II
Jump Drive Calibration III
Jump Drive Calibration IV
Jump Fuel Conservation I
Jump Fuel Conservation II
Jump Fuel Conservation III
Jump Fuel Conservation IV
Cloning Facility Operation II
Cloning Facility Operation III
Cloning Facility Operation IV
Capital Shield Operation II
Capital Shield Operation III
Capital Shield Operation IV
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Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 11/05/2011 10:51:41
First assign your plan to follow a specific attribute set and put you capital training to end of the list, then set up remapping points.
That way you'll have a capital with support skills, not other way around.
Also train those "lvl 2" skills to IV, 2-3 days isn't much compared to over all length of you plan, also you might want to be able to fly a hulk as well since you have to train that astrogeology anyway.
edit:
You're also missing ore reprocessing skills needed to compress the ore from your training plan.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Fiona Korvin
Marsh Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:33:00 -
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I must admit I don't get the part with following a specific attribute? I don't decide what attribute the skills follow, CCP does.
Thank you for the heads up regarding the compression skills... Forgot those :)
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 11/05/2011 14:16:49
If you want to compress, you will need the ore and ice refining skills to level 4.
You'll also want Cybernetics 5 for a Mining Foreman implant.
I don't recommend taking a Rorqual out of the POS force field. This changes how it is fit. Also, if you do need to take it out for some reason, you change the fit to something for travel. I keep a lot of other modules in the corporate hangar.
This is how my Rorqual is fit.
[Rorqual, Booster]
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Command Processor I
Command Processor I
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Dread Guristas Photon Scattering Field
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Capital Shield Booster I
Industrial Core I
Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense
Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency
Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Large Cargohold Optimization I
Warrior II x10
Garde II x5
Ogre II x5
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Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Fiona Korvin
I must admit I don't get the part with following a specific attribute? I don't decide what attribute the skills follow, CCP does.
Thank you for the heads up regarding the compression skills... Forgot those :)
As you know we have a 2 sets of attributes per skill so what you do is read as much skills as you can with your current attribute set before you remap to a seconds phase of your skill plan.
We could take an example of my plan for capitals; I started it out with per/mem and pumped up all my relevant "left over" drone/gunnery skills that I had and then I switched it all over to int/mem to train all the support skills you have in mechanic/science/navigation that had int or memory as requirement this planning has saved me for almost a 100days from my initial unordered plan.
Though I have admit that at the beginning of my plan I had 3 years of sub cap skills under my belt and that the removal of learning skills (5mil sp) saved me a lot of training time and effort.
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Fiona Korvin
Marsh Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.05.11 21:04:00 -
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So, basicly what I should do is train all the skills that have Intelligence as main, as my intelligence is 31 atm, and then when I can't train any more with intelligence, I'll remap to the cap related?
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Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.05.13 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Fiona Korvin
So, basicly what I should do is train all the skills that have Intelligence as main, as my intelligence is 31 atm, and then when I can't train any more with intelligence, I'll remap to the cap related?
Exactly that, also download evemon and you will see the light.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.05.13 05:29:00 -
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Or if you find you have a hard time sticking to a long plan (I do), map to something that is good enough but still flexible.
Examples:
* My Orca pilot has been 27i 19p 19m 17w 17c since day one, but now lives in a Rorqual (when not following me around in a Hulk, Noctis, Charon, Rhea, Bustard, Crane, or a Hurricane for archeology and codebreaking). His leaderships skills were the slowest, but luckily there are not that many of them to train.
int/mem + 4 implants: ((27 + 4) + (21 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2610 SP/hour
int/per + 4 implants: ((27 + 4) + (19 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2550 SP/hour
mem/per + 4 implants: ((19 + 4) + (19 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2070 SP/hour
per/wil + 4 implants: ((19 + 4) + (17 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2010 SP/hour
wil/per + 4 implants: ((17 + 4) + (19 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 1950 SP/hour
cha/wil + 4 implants: ((17 + 4) + (17 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 1890 SP/hour
* My Hulk-only pilot is 23i 21p 21m 17w 17c and is now just about finished mastering missiles and a Tengu  (and a Charon, Crane, Bustard).
int/mem + 4 implants: ((23 + 4) + (21 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2370 SP/hour
int/per + 4 implants: ((23 + 4) + (21 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2370 SP/hour
mem/per + 4 implants: ((21 + 4) + (21 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2250 SP/hour
per/wil + 4 implants: ((21 + 4) + (17 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2130 SP/hour
wil/per + 4 implants: ((17 + 4) + (21 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 2010 SP/hour
cha/wil + 4 implants: ((17 + 4) + (17 + 4) / 2) * 60 = 1890 SP/hour
I really like the last mapping, as on a wide selection of skills it has provided over 2000 SP/hour (doesn't have any leadership skills), which is my personal benchmark for a good training rate.
You don't have to have the perfect training plan or the perfect attribute mapping.
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