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Atra Hasis	Posted - 2011.05.11 19:32:00 - [1] I ask because, well I am a mentor in my University's foreign exchange program. Generally I am like the designated buddy for a foreign exchange student for a semester and what I am noticing is that a lot of these students are pretty surprised at what they find. What I'm wondering is two things: 1) if you have visited/lived in America coming from another country, how did your views change (or stay the same)? 2) If you have never been in the country, what specifically are your views? Any input is helpful, please don't close this thread for political content, cause it's not about politics just perceptions.
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:34:00 - [2] Edited by: Malaclypse Muscaria on 11/05/2011 20:34:46 I could write at length about this, but I'm feeling pretty lazy today and my back is giving me a bit of hell, so I'll just simplify and summarize the things that struck me the most after first spending some time in the US (Berkeley) as this: Rules, rules and more rules everywhere, along with an obsessive drive to enforce them. Brands and corporate logos all over the place polluting my mental space (well, this wasn't entirely unexpected - but still) Legions of homeless people, general unsafety in the streets (particularly at night, with some areas being simply off-bounds), shit I witnessed happening around me that over here (Spain) we reckon only happens on TV shows.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:38:00 - [3] 1) Visited about 9-10 years ago. My views of the people stayed generally the same, most are actually kind, albeit a bit ignorant to things outside US. It did not really feel all that different form Norway, only a lot bigger. Most big cities seem to kind of have a mono culture going for them. And tbh standing outside the whitehouse and standing outsie the palace in Norway was more or less the same, only I have seen the white house more in movies. I did enjoy visitng NASA's langly research center and goddard spacefligh center. 2) Hard not to go into politics, but my general view of the people is that most are kind and mean well, albit ignorant to many things, and tend not to think too much for themself in repsect to things outside thier own "bubble". In other words much as in other countires. The country itself is nice, but I like temparate climates, so a bit biased there. The sakura tress or cherry blossom trees or whatever you call them was blooming when I vistied, so that looked nice. American culture seems to revolve a bit much around the material to my liking, and everything had to be very big, from the gigtantic dounuts to the overly greasy pizza I got served. But in general, it was a nice place, and I spent a few sunny days just bumming around Washington DC before I went to the NASA centers. Visited some memorials to see them for myself, like Lincon memorial, Washington memorial and Vietnam memorial etc. All around it was not bad at all (Tho apparenlty a guy got shot one night not far form my hotell, that was kinda wierd). However I will not be going back in a while, but that is because of political reasons, not the people in itself as such. Amarcian culture got some more loosing up to do before I would consider to settle there though. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
ceaon	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:41:00 - [4] i will use every single stereotype to bashjust for fun, since i consider nationality separation and proud to be from _______ a really stupid thing Originally by: Danton Marcellus If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:41:00 - [5] Too many stupids with too much power.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.11 20:43:00 - [6] Honestly, America isn't that different from other countries... big cities have more crime than smaller cities and due to freedom of religion we have some religious nutjobs that use their freedom of speech to harass people. You will also have people whining about USA becoming a 'police state' but these are usually the kids born into wealth and have never seen an actual police state or experienced actual hardship Personally, I love having all the freedoms people here take for granted Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.11 21:13:00 - [7] USA has been a great country, still is a great country and will continue to be a great country. But I feel (you can call me a Euro pinko) that fewer people in the future will yield share dividends from USA's future greatness which is unfair. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Astenion Spiritus Draconis	Posted - 2011.05.11 22:49:00 - [8] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs 1) Visited about 9-10 years ago. My views of the people stayed generally the same, most are actually kind, albeit a bit ignorant to things outside US. It did not really feel all that different form Norway, only a lot bigger. Most big cities seem to kind of have a mono culture going for them. And tbh standing outside the whitehouse and standing outsie the palace in Norway was more or less the same, only I have seen the white house more in movies. I did enjoy visitng NASA's langly research center and goddard spacefligh center. 2) Hard not to go into politics, but my general view of the people is that most are kind and mean well, albit ignorant to many things, and tend not to think too much for themself in repsect to things outside thier own "bubble". In other words much as in other countires. The country itself is nice, but I like temparate climates, so a bit biased there. The sakura tress or cherry blossom trees or whatever you call them was blooming when I vistied, so that looked nice. American culture seems to revolve a bit much around the material to my liking, and everything had to be very big, from the gigtantic dounuts to the overly greasy pizza I got served. But in general, it was a nice place, and I spent a few sunny days just bumming around Washington DC before I went to the NASA centers. Visited some memorials to see them for myself, like Lincon memorial, Washington memorial and Vietnam memorial etc. All around it was not bad at all (Tho apparenlty a guy got shot one night not far form my hotell, that was kinda wierd). However I will not be going back in a while, but that is because of political reasons, not the people in itself as such. Amarcian culture got some more loosing up to do before I would consider to settle there though. Yeah nothing's changed. I haven't gone back for the exact same reasons you mentioned, only for family visits and such. After about a week you realize there's literally nothing to do and nothing else to see of interest in respect to other places.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.05.11 23:35:00 - [9] When I was young I spent some time with the Foreign Students Association on campus and acted as an "American Friend" to several, picked them up at the air port, took them around, explained things to them. Mostly what you'll find are people who are incredibly ignorant. They aren't bad people - they just don't know ****. Mostly they are rich. The poor ones don't come over here. So you have all the little quirks of rich people to deal with. Mostly they are very smart. The dumb ones don't come over here. For that reason - they tend to find American's dumb - as they are comparing the majority of the Americans they meet to themselves - not to the average person from their country. The thing is - just as with American Students - they grow up in little cliques at home and have swallowed whole the attitudes and beliefs of their particular little clique. All of them have a cultural superiority complex ... it's just more difficult to see in some than the others. The Germans (once they open up to you) are pretty up front about the fact that everyone who isn't German is inferior but though most of the others are fairly polite about it - they all believe that there's no place like home - literally - there is NO Place as good as where they come from. This is of course true of American Students living abroad as well. It's not a cultural phenomenon - it's human. What is familiar - is good. They all change during their time here. The biggest change comes from students that lived in strict Asian Societies like Taiwan and Singapore. For a lot of them - their visit to the US is a tragedy - in that they no longer belong when they go back home. They've learned to question things and ... in some cases are in real danger of getting into trouble once they return. Obviously, the Americans and the Europeans have the most in common. Most of our ancestors came from Europe. The difference is that once our ancestors got over here - what mattered was not who your parents were but what YOU did. Because of this the US is much more Egalitarian than Europe which is much more Elitist. I had a lot of fun for a few years hanging out with all these kids from other cultures. It was neat to learn about their countries from them and see their attitudes towards things. The problem you have - is that you only have so much of yourself to give - and after you've been through the turnstile a few times with different people - it runs out. Here's a brand new person, with all the quirks and ignorance of the people you made friends with in the past - and ... you just don't have as much of yourself to give as you did at first. It's all a new experience to them - but it's not new to you any more. Also - be prepared for the fact that these people are going to leave you. You make friends with them, you hang out together you become part of each others lives - and then they're gone. Mostly they go back home, you write each other a few times (for me it was letters as we didn't have the internet back then) and then they slip back into the habits and quirks of their own cultures and the lives they have waiting for them ... and don't have that much time for the friends they made while abroad. Fortunately for me - I saw some of the veteran "American Friends" go through that with their foreign friends - and was prepared for it when it happened to me. For some of those people it was psychologically devastating to lose their friends once they left. While they were here - they were often very dependent on their local friends for support and comfort - but once they got back home - they didn't need those people at all any more - they had all their life long friends back home - and the people here got their feelings hurt. So - watch out for that trap. Just enjoy them for what they are - knowing that you are probably not making a life long friend (though it may seem like it) - but are just spending some time with someone who'll be gone one day. . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Atra Hasis	Posted - 2011.05.12 00:00:00 - [10] ^ I feel very much the same way. In fact I think you took it further lol cause you were so channeling our orientation speaker

Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.05.12 00:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Atra Hasis ^ I feel very much the same way. In fact I think you took it further lol cause you were so channeling our orientation speaker Ha! Ha! You had an orientation speaker? You lucky dogs! All we got was a name and a flight number! Well ... maybe the people doing these things have learned something in the last 30 years. That ... or maybe the people we had running things ... weren't all that organized ... Hell ... I KNOW they weren't all that organized ... Ha! Ha! Anyway - Good Luck with it and - have fun! . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Blacksquirrel	Posted - 2011.05.12 02:41:00 - [12] Quote: Brands and corporate logos all over the place polluting my mental space (well, this wasn't entirely unexpected - but still) Legions of homeless people, general unsafety in the streets (particularly at night, with some areas being simply off-bounds), **** I witnessed happening around me that over here (Spain) we reckon only happens on TV shows. How is that any different than the millions of Europeans wearing football gear, or versace? How is that any different than all the gypsies running around? Or the fact that north African or middle eastern immigrants are dumbed on? Furthermore...come on Berkley. Too really say you've been to the US you need to go to more than one place or one city or one state. I did not judge France or Spain based just upon Paris or Madrid. Also the exchange students that come to my school are encouraged to further travel outside just our school or state. You will be completely surprised how different the west coast, east coast, mid west, south, and southwest are from one another in terms of temperament, and attitude.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.12 03:06:00 - [13] lol Berkeley... the Mos Eisley of the United States Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
Captain Die S0utherN Comfort	Posted - 2011.05.12 07:15:00 - [14] Originally by: baltec1 Too many stupids with too much power. Jealous? --- DIE - EVE-O's SADOMASICHIST I WHO HAVE NOTHING!
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:02:00 - [15] Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 12/05/2011 08:02:21 I have never been in the USA and I can only give an outside point of view. It seems to be a country that is very diverse, they have a great tradition of freedom of speech. Also a lot of smart people are coming from the country. On the other hand at least in some parts of the country are religious nutcases who take the bible literal and ban scientific facts from teaching in schools. On the outside I can say that I don't always agree with the US foreign policy, it seems to regard to many things as only black and white which always comes back to bite them a few years later. Yet in europe to many politicians who are content at doing nothing and even claim high morals as a reason is sickening. When we europeans look to the US we see many things we recognise very well from ourselfs and our own countries, yet the combination is totally different and seems sometimes even bizarre, at least to me. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
baltec1	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:38:00 - [16] Originally by: Captain Die Originally by: baltec1 Too many stupids with too much power. Jealous? Entertained most of the time but it does worry me how so many stupid people can get into high places. I am definitely not jealous of your heath system which puts profit before people.
Captain Stroke Slaganfall Flytt AB	Posted - 2011.05.12 08:57:00 - [17] I only visited the US when I was younger (like 11 years old), so I wouldn't recognize myself as ultra-familiar with the US, but it have given me some input. Most of all it's not very different from any other country in the west. It's a vast country and each region with it's own perks, but in general it's all alike. A thing I've reacted too however is how it really is the country of the loudmouthed people. He who yells the most have the most influence, in a sense. This goes for advertising, politics etc. This leads me to believe that americans aren't dumber than any other people, but those who are have easier to express themselfs (my hypothesis why europeans think americans are dumb). These outside preconceptions brought to you from sweden
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:36:00 - [18] People need to travel more abroad. Though this is not cheap. It would be good if governments really pushed school exchange programs. I have been to the USA several times as my mum remarried to an American IBM employee who is now retired. He is very intelligent and very modest. He has the great American Keep It Simple Stupid Attitude. I mostly really like the USA but I don't like it and other countries meddling in my own country through proxies. I would say otherwise to the latter If I was not totally disenfranchised in life. I can get on with people from any country that overlap with my self deprecating and upfront attitude. My general problem given my roller coaster life is with people with power and are enamored with its value and not its worth. And these asshats are in every country. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Ava Baby -Mostly Harmless-	Posted - 2011.05.12 10:56:00 - [19] Edited by: Ava Baby on 12/05/2011 10:57:40 Edited by: Ava Baby on 12/05/2011 10:56:47 Originally by: Vogue People need to travel more abroad. Though this is not cheap. It would be good if governments really pushed school exchange programs. I agree with the above. Coming from someone on the inside (U.S. Citizen) I feel exchange programs or study abroad programs are something universities should be pushing heavily. I know way too many people that have never been outside the US yet alone the island. Which is just a shame because they are trapped in that small bubble. I've spent plenty of time outside the US (Japan, Mexico, FSM) and have noticed (like other have already said) people everywhere are pretty much the same. You have your nice, your bad, your well-off looking, and your not so lucky people. To answer the OP, IMO, Americans are becoming lazy, don't want to take responsibility, and have a false sense of entitlement. But the one thing we do have is confidence Now don't get me wrong, not every one is like this. Hell I'm even guilty of it sometimes. Oh and the part about the food being too big. I agree 100% On a side note: I like this section of the forums much better than the others. Originally by: Asestorian I support this message. Whatever it is.
Iggy Stooge	Posted - 2011.05.12 15:40:00 - [20] A nation in decline, full of scared people, comforting themselves with rhetoric.

jason hill Caldari Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2011.05.12 18:03:00 - [21] hmmm not sure about a nation in decline ... mabyes a nation that is unsure of itself from a political point of view. been to the US a couple of times but mainly to the tourist destinations like florida and new york (where in my opinion you dont really get to meet the real america only the tourist america if that makes any sense) the wife did mange to wangle me a trip to houston once on a buisness trip which was a rather interesting experience as the hotel we stayed at was quite away out from the city and im one of those peeps that likes to go off on a wander to see stuff for myself . intersting experience getting a bus into the city as i was the only white person on the bus and got a lot of eyeballs looking at me but no harm done most peeps sitting around me clocked my english accent were very friendly. went to see a baseball game (rounders to us english ) and was taken aback at how the crowd seemed more to be there for the audiance participation than the actual game itself !. but overall i found most of the americans friendly generally pretty well informed so i got only generally good things to say about the general public destroy everything you touch
Jada Maroo	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:01:00 - [22] Originally by: baltec1 I am definitely not jealous of your heath system which puts profit before people. I'll take that any day over a system that puts 12 months between you and your doctor.
Tullaris Iceblade	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Tullaris Iceblade on 12/05/2011 19:15:47 Originally by: Jada Maroo Originally by: baltec1 I am definitely not jealous of your heath system which puts profit before people. I'll take that any day over a system that puts 12 months between you and your doctor. Medical insurance doesn't just disappear with free healthcare you know. It is available over here (UK) as well. Alongside the NHS you can go through Bupa or other private healthcare systems. Most people don't bother however because even though the NHS isn't perfect, its rare that you need to look elsewhere and nice that we don't get sent a bill for tens of thousands of pounds after we have been treated. I can only imagine how many people would avoid going to get a problem sorted if it cost money and instead would let the problem develop. Have to take off my hat to a system which nurtures that type of behaviour
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:46:00 - [24] Being a tourist and visiting a country puts you in a bubble. I assume it is only when you try and live in another country then the dirt gets under your finger nails and you are forced to adjust to different cultural norms. The NHS is a decent health system given that it is free. It is not preemptive like private healthcare so one hopes that is something nasty is lurking in the body it is identified in good time if you are looked after by national free healthcare. I need a particular mental health medication. If I lived in the USA I assume I would have to pay a lot of money for it and have to continuously rack up more debt to pay for it. A general problem with healthcare in all developed countries is that the populace is living longer and new advanced treatments that the public want put a greater strain on the system. I still think the USA will be a superpower for the whole of the 21st century because of the vast intellectual property it sits on and the new IP it will garner from the coming technology revolutions. But this won't benefit the growing disenfranchised whose jobs have gone to the former half of 'Chimerica'. USA 2150 = Minority Report. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude
Khory Thunderstar The Single Scam	Posted - 2011.05.12 19:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Khory Thunderstar on 12/05/2011 19:51:06 I fit in case #1. Im Brasilian, lived in the US during 1998-1999. Going to be as blunt as possible, spo some of it might sound offensive. The point is not to be offensive, but by being blunt it is very easy to get a wrong interpretation. Also, this is a generalization about what i lived throught. Of course there are plenty of exceptions everywhere, but that is the general impression i got while i lived there. - You are Racist. People who belong to the 'minorities' are usually the most racist ones, they will avoid you like plague until they find out that you are actually more 'Latin' than the 'Hispanic-Americans', and then suddenly you are 'brother'. - You are Religiously Intolerant. Its all good if you participate in any of the estabilished churches, but if your belief is not one of the various mainly estabilished churches, you are considered evil. - You believe that the whole world praises your lifestyle and want to be just like you. That very weird, because most people also have no idea how different life can be outside of US, or even that life CAN be different. I believe that with these 3 points i could consider that the US is xenophobic. Not as explicitly as Japan and their Gaijin treatment, but almost as xenophobic. - The 'american way' puts the utmost value on the benefit to the individual. There are good points and bad points about that. - There is a very different connection between population and government than in Brasil. In Brasil, the population is simply disconnected from the government. They do whatever they want, steal as much as they want and there is a general apathy towards it. On the US there is a 'proud to be american' sentiment that makes the general population suceptible to do what the government wants it to do, no matter if it will screw you. People think that they are connected to the government, that the government cares about what they think when its apparent in many cases that it doesnt. - Law actually works. That is a shock to me, to be in a place where you can mostly trust the police, and expect a case to be solved in court while you are still alive. It is very reassuring to know that if you get robbed you can actually call the police and they will show up and at least try to do something about it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island	Posted - 2011.05.12 20:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Khory Thunderstar Edited by: Khory Thunderstar on 12/05/2011 19:51:06 I fit in case #1. Im Brasilian, lived in the US during 1998-1999. Going to be as blunt as possible, spo some of it might sound offensive. The point is not to be offensive, but by being blunt it is very easy to get a wrong interpretation. Also, this is a generalization about what i lived throught. Of course there are plenty of exceptions everywhere, but that is the general impression i got while i lived there. - You are Racist. People who belong to the 'minorities' are usually the most racist ones, they will avoid you like plague until they find out that you are actually more 'Latin' than the 'Hispanic-Americans', and then suddenly you are 'brother'. - You are Religiously Intolerant. Its all good if you participate in any of the estabilished churches, but if your belief is not one of the various mainly estabilished churches, you are considered evil. - You believe that the whole world praises your lifestyle and want to be just like you. That very weird, because most people also have no idea how different life can be outside of US, or even that life CAN be different. I believe that with these 3 points i could consider that the US is xenophobic. Not as explicitly as Japan and their Gaijin treatment, but almost as xenophobic. - The 'american way' puts the utmost value on the benefit to the individual. There are good points and bad points about that. - There is a very different connection between population and government than in Brasil. In Brasil, the population is simply disconnected from the government. They do whatever they want, steal as much as they want and there is a general apathy towards it. On the US there is a 'proud to be american' sentiment that makes the general population suceptible to do what the government wants it to do, no matter if it will screw you. People think that they are connected to the government, that the government cares about what they think when its apparent in many cases that it doesnt. - Law actually works. That is a shock to me, to be in a place where you can mostly trust the police, and expect a case to be solved in court while you are still alive. It is very reassuring to know that if you get robbed you can actually call the police and they will show up and at least try to do something about it. This is actually all true, though our legal system isn't anywhere near perfect I doubt any country has a perfect legal system. Also the religion part. I'm a heretic and an infidel and damn happy to be (we have more fun, we have to compensate for when we go to hell ) Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
Malaclypse Muscaria	Posted - 2011.05.12 20:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Tullaris Iceblade Medical insurance doesn't just disappear with free healthcare you know. It is available over here (UK) as well. Alongside the NHS you can go through Bupa or other private healthcare systems. Most people don't bother however because even though the NHS isn't perfect, its rare that you need to look elsewhere and nice that we don't get sent a bill for tens of thousands of pounds after we have been treated. I can only imagine how many people would avoid going to get a problem sorted if it cost money and instead would let the problem develop. Have to take off my hat to a system which nurtures that type of behaviour It's a similar situation to what we have here: the national free health care system works pretty well, even if it isn't perfect, but having access to that certainly does not preclude you from buying private insurance, and getting the luxury treatment. Only a simpleton adamant on seeing the world in dogmatic black and white terms, and letting naughty words such as "socialism" hypnotize and shut down further intellectual processing fails to comprehend this. One of my American uncles had a major health breakdown some years ago: he had a stable job along with a private health insurance, and it did cover most of his medical expenses. But only most. The insurance company brought up clause 123.4b and clause 950.5h in his contract, and claimed it was not covering this and that and therefore, and long story short, cheerfully f*cked him up the ass. Had he been part of the Spanish side of the family and living over here, he could've still gone with his private insurance, but the national healthcare system would've covered the medical expenses, drugs and treatments the insurance company - a profit-focused corporation after all - said it just wasn't dealing with.
Toshiro GreyHawk	Posted - 2011.05.12 21:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Khory Thunderstar Edited by: Khory Thunderstar on 12/05/2011 19:51:06 ... - You are Racist. People who belong to the 'minorities' are usually the most racist ones, they will avoid you like plague until they find out that you are actually more 'Latin' than the 'Hispanic-Americans', and then suddenly you are 'brother'. - You are Religiously Intolerant. Its all good if you participate in any of the estabilished churches, but if your belief is not one of the various mainly estabilished churches, you are considered evil. - You believe that the whole world praises your lifestyle and want to be just like you. That very weird, because most people also have no idea how different life can be outside of US, or even that life CAN be different. ... You mean - we're just like everybody else? . Orbiting vs. Kiting Faction Schools
Atra Hasis	Posted - 2011.05.12 21:44:00 - [29] Please guys stick to perceptions or experiences, please no socio-political debating, health care debate is interesting but it is quite far off from the original post. Good responses so far
Vogue Short Bus Pole Dancers	Posted - 2011.05.12 21:46:00 - [30] Americans can't drive which explains why they like roundy roundy racing. I really like American diners and Circuit City. .................................................. Fortress Of Solitude



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